I'm just super happy that you've been turning off the stupid chat donations whenever you do a nice video like this. Always good to hear your thoughts without some braindead twitcher viewer giving his 2 cents

One thing to add that makes BW maps very different from SC2 maps is points of interest. Almost all battles in SC2 are near bases and expansions, and the area around it is the main factor for balance. Whereas in BW battles take place all over the map to gain control over certain positions that give opportunities for other plays. The point is there is much more potential in changing a map in BW to affect balance than in SC2, since the important areas of the map are almost only bases and the maps geography and obstacles do often times not matter as much as in BW.

The thing that Artosis forgot was perhaps the high ground advantage? In brood war, high ground advantage is that shots from the low ground will just straight up miss something like 47% of the time. In SC2, high ground advantage is that you can't see someone attacking you from the high ground - but there are a lot of ways around that (scans, any flying unit). In that situation, the only remaining advantage is any chokes you can take advantage of. This means that high grounds matter very little outside of the early game when you can't easily get sight from the low ground. I don't follow pro brood war so I could just be totally wrong, but I imagine that high grounds throughout the whole map are a lot more important there.

Have to say, I really enjoy all the new YT content Artosis. The game play, the rage videos, the casting all great but I wish there was more discussion on the forums to prompt these kinds of videos. I really enjoy hearing your take on the game state and thoughts on balance. One of my favorite videos just to listen to.

The other thing that makes maps different for sc2 is path-finding. Choke points matter a lot less in SC2.

Only me that find the SC2 maps kinda dull compared to BW ? new Broodwar maps can completely change everything about how the game is played SC2 maps all feel so similar

Its very cool to hear your perspective on this. As someone whose focus has always been more on sc2 than bw, its very cool to hear the differences between balance between the two from someone who has extensive experience with both.

In my opinion a way to make Sc2 more interesting would be incentivising players to take more control of the map and not just have fights around their expansions like we do now. There should be more things like xelnaga towers that are in the middle of the map and give you an advantage if you venture out of your base, it doesn't necessarily have to be something like the tower but even some terrain that would offer you a lot of control and better position to engage. Right now turtling is heavily encouraged since you have defenders advantage, I think that making a player turtle in their corner of the map should be disincentivised. Just taking your small corner and camping and not taking much control of the rest of the map should leave you disadvantaged, way more than it is now. It would make the turtle playstyle less viable, it would make for interesting battles around terrain different than just 3rd or 4th base and force players to be more active and creative. You could argue what's the best way to do that, you could either add something new that would act like a xelnaga tower, a structure in the middle of the map that control of gives you some sort of advantage lategame, good chokes around the map that would limit growth of your enemy, make structures that allow for turtle playstyle like sensor towers or shield batteries weaker or punish you for just staying in your corner for too long and playing very passive. Sadly I don't think that will happen, changing the game in such a drastic way is not what they want right now and they only want to solidify the current meta. But I think it would be really cool if map makers included some of those ideas and promoted active playstyle and control of the map, not just in terms of vision but actual control with your units.

As a lapsed player and current spectator, I enjoy new maps/patches and unsolved metagames much more than I do a settled status quo.

there are a lot of completely unexplored out of the box map ideas that I think people forgot are possible. for example, what exactly a base location is in terms of resources, how far all of the patches are, etc. you could have 2 gases but one gas is a few hexes further than normal, requiring more workers for maximum gas income, which is a trade-off there. you could have a non-line of minerals, which spreads the workers out more (equidistant from the townhall or not), possibly affecting how harass works. you could completely change how concentrated resources are in the map, for example you could have a sprawl of resources across the map, not homogeneously but not in discrete bases either. it could be really interesting. maybe none of those particular ideas would work but i guarantee that "it has to be a line of minerals with 0 to 2 gases at optimal range" is not a real rule that must be followed for good games there are so many fundamental assumptions about what a map has to be that are not really being challenged

Really excellent stuff, Arty! Well said across the board. Lots of good stuff to chew on!. Especially the point about how insane mobility cripples the potential for interesting and balanced map design in sc2. I think it cripples the game in general.

Dude could you please invite Tasteless on to discuss this kind a stuff? It'd be such a blast dude!

I just got SC2! 🤗 Grew up with the original, but haven’t had a computer in about 15 years. I’ve enjoyed watching matches all this time and it’s great to play finally 😎

I really like this analysis content from Artosis! And LOVE not hearing the chat spam.

They should probably test different crazy maps in a tournament, something that will never occur. Make a map with higher amount and easier accessibility to gold bases, a map with more "kind of" islands for stalker abuse, a map with less gas, a map that blocks creep spread and a map with more spots for liberator harass. Then start mixing some of those features and study the effects of each combination as the metagame starts "getting solved". Eventually you might reach some conclussions like "kind of" islands make stalkers busted, but rich minerals will help the other races evening the odds (im just making things up). Also 4 player maps have to make a comeback, or at least 3 player maps. I dont think spawn location rng is as relevant in sc2 than it is for sc1. Eliminating it for the sake of "fairness" is dumb.

iloveoof is a Zerg player, so of course he is happy with the balance xD. Big maps good for zerg, and small maps are supposed to be bad but there's creep everywhere. In all seriousness though, this is a good topic and I'm glad he brought it up

How would you feel about a random map generator? Maybe the way age of empires 2 does it, where the # of resource patches is even, or only in non-competitive play. I know they are different in speed and plenty else, but games like AOE, SC and Red Alert used to copy good ideas off of each other (like attack+move, queueing up multiple unit creation, and moving to waypoints upon spawn)

introduced a friend of mine to broodwar lately *thanks entirely to tastosis really. shes loved it alot, but that seasonw ith sparkle she basically hated, except for the mirror matches,, and coudlnt understand why flash was being punished so hard xD

Good video. One important thing that wasn't addressed is the SC2 patches aren't targeting race balance. They're targeting unit balance, and entertaining standard metagame.

I wish that SC2 could have maps that break some of the hard molds that are. Example overlord pillars or reaper cliffs. They are in every map ever but how about maps that don't have them instead maybe you have wider entrances and dead airspace to get little peeks or to hide the overlord for later scouting. What about hostile missile turrets controlled by the ai that will attack both players air units

I agree about the maps not being played but if you think about it in SC2 maps like purity and industry and zen are lower on the play list. I think there is the issue where no tournament will replace the whole map pool.

Love ya Arti, keep doing what you're doing

Was there ever an attempt to have a separate map pool for each matchup? Or it doesn't make sense? I've been wondering if ZvZ in BW could be tweaked through specific maps.

Love the video Artyfarty. How’s canadia?

another thing I'll add is... a patch isn't just about equal balance, it's also about improving the quality of the gameplay.

Something I feel Artosis touches on a bit here is that some of the best matches to watch in Broodwar are on maps both pro players hate.

Hi Artosis! Can you please do a video on how you would Patch SC2, similar to the one you did for BW Cheers

Good vid as usual Artosis

I really like this topic. As an RTS designer, patches are a big topic, and I'm a firm believer in "finishing" the game - multiplayer included - and letting professional players develop the meta as they see fit. I'm sure some patches would still be necessary for any game to improve or remove some unforeseen interactions, but I don't think you ever need to go down SC2's path.

Really missing the tastosis casts, any idea when the first ASL of 2023 will be out?

This is one of the better videos you've made I think, and you can tell because there's lots of good actual discussion in the comments. For me, I can definitely see the greater mobility in SC2 and how that would make map design matter less. Dumb question, do you think that SC 2 is more similar to BW or to Warcraft III?

I think these are good points. Tho I would like to point out, the discussion isn’t about balance, but rather it’s about how good the game is both for the players and spectators. Not going to the late game isn’t a balance problem, it’s…something else. It’s like how good are we at keeping the game interesting

ASL 5 was brutal. Although we did get to see spectacular Mini v Snow Shuttle-Reaver-Corsair meltdown. But yea... "Balance through maps" is a nice catch phrase, but it's also important to understand what that means. It's like the viewers clamouring for some romanticized vision to have players return to living together in team houses, as if it was some sort of idyllic co-op home, with a nicely furnished office space used to play games and study replays collectively. Definitely not the suffocating slumlord projects with players packed in like a submarine, with hours of grinding self-study and practice. Balance through maps is how you get specifically stacked minerals, line of sight blocking doodads, or double ramps in your main base.

Attention being your main resource is exactly what makes BW so special. Sure, a lot of things in BW feel tedious and it often feels like you're struggling against archaic UI and AI, but ultimately the ability to choose where your attention goes and improving the value of your units significantly when focusing on them is interesting. SC2's gamespeed being so fast means more about the game is about reaction speed like noticing widow mine drops in time rather than the micro of the situation itself. When you simplify the hard things of an RTS too much it becomes more "strategy" and less "real time" which ends up hurting the game long-term. SC2 does a lot of cool things and is still a great game, it has more units and possible compositions, but the fundamental flaw is exactly the fact that there's less differentiation between player styles due to improved UI/AI.

SC2 needs another huge balance patch or even better another expansion pack to make significant changes to the core mechanics and units before the game can think about balancing the game through maps alone.

patches have a tendency to "reactivate" lapsed players either to get them to start up the game again to 'try things out' or to check on content for the game. if you go by search data the highest peaks are right after a patch announcement and a patch hit (though search quarries does not equate to player spikes) some patches will get players to quit if the changes are too drastic (these are the players that liked solved games to begin with and once the meta gets closer to solved they are likely to come back) though if they quit because the dominant strategy they really liked is not usable they might not come back until that dominant strat is viable again. but often players get so fixated on a balance patch "bringing the game into balance" but most of the time they disregard the concept of balancing through imbalance where by just making a change either positive or negative to a unit that is "in the meta" results in the balance of the meta being changed.

I guess my counter argument to this video is the idea that SC2 gets figured out a lot more quickly is one of things that sounds true on paper but like it's crazy how on some games that seem like "surely we've finished innovating" they just kinda do? I remember in CS everyone was saying Inferno (it's a map) was super stale and the map had been basically figured out so they decided to rework the map but give it a few more months in the rotation and in the last few months in the rotation suddenly everyone actually figured out things because they spent all this time trying to figure out things. I still think SC2 as a game probably does need some more patches but I'm gonna be honest I don't have a good enough handle on SC2 to say much more

There's alot of dumb gatekeepers that downvote any balance discussion on SC2 reddit's new post section. They don't get that some of us find balance debate fun and constructive, but all 'most' seem to see is "how does this effect my win rate and race perks"

Thank you for this video

SC2 seems to have more "fragile" balance than BW. SC2 maps need to include many specific things in order to not "break". Look at things like the little overlord viewing posts near every nat, the square of destructible terrain at the bottom of ramps, the general ease of taking a 3rd on most maps, the way most mains can only be accessed by reapers in specific places. These things exist because without them matchups tended to be very exploitable. It seems to me that balancing SC2 by the maps has very thin margins for error - SC2 map makers need to ensure that the maps don't just break before using them to skew matchups one way or another. Edit: also like Arty mentioned for SC2 maps - only 1v1 maps and keeping airspace minimized. Lots of "requirements" for making a non-broken map

I’m not sure you can/should compare a ‘micro’ based player with a ‘macro’ player. It’s all about allocation of time (attention). IF there was no downside to microing (time/attention) it would be a free lunch, and there never is. It comes at a cost, directly linked to macro. So they are entangled, the second you choose your flavor it has an opposite effect. Obviously talking about high(est) level of gameplay. :) Thx for all the great content over the years🎉❤

They fucked themselves over with with crazy overcentralizing mechanics like warp gate and creep and now every map has to be cookie cutter or it's imba beyond believe. They would have to fundamentally change a lot of the units for the game to be in a somewhat similar place like BW, which they won't do.

I strongly believe that sc2 needs patches. Not frequently, but when they come out it revitalizes my energy to watch and support the eSport.

I wish we had more cheeses in Starcraft 2 pro scene. And not "Oh, they're going to Void Ray Proxy every game" but rather, here's a proxy Zealot rush, here's a proxy hatch, here's a cannon rush, here's a 3 rax. The top players have gotten so good that they always defend the rushes perfectly. The *only* counter example to always countering the rush perfectly, is 4 Gate Blink in PvT where it's a very solid playstyle still.

I love broodwar so much. When is the next ASL?

i think these are all valid points but have you considered that flash would've won?

fuck i miss geoff and totalbiscuit. you guys are all total legends.

What would make Protoss more playable? What if they got some sort of spell like the queen but instead of spawn larva it gave existing mineral patches more total minerals (regrowing used or close to depleted patches bringing them back slowly up to the original amount). It would favor late game builds, so probably slow down the game. They could have a stationary building that is a mix between a bunker and a medevac. It could protect a few units lowering there damage because they are being healed but they would regain health as fast as Zerg, so slowly (maybe 2x Zerg normal heal speed). This would work for mechanical and flying too. They could have a merge like archons for zealots that gives them more health, reflective damage shields (meaning if they are hit by projectiles it also damages the enemies a small amount), but instead of attacking they have a passive area of effect slowing and a small damage over time effect (like a poison, maybe stackable) just being close to enemies. For the sentry revamp the force field, make it damage somehow, maybe make it similar to the auto turret or the removed infested Terran, possibly let your own units enter the field making them like bunkers. Or make it be able to capture enemy units like stasis ward. I feel like Protoss should have a damage, shield energy, and or spell energy increase if they are within the power effect of pylons (maybe choose one and make it a temporary triggered ability/spell). Giving their energy based weapons and shields an additional +1 +0 +1 (up to total +4) (regular armor would be uninfected). Possibly give gateways a reactor like attachment or upgrade, that allows for you to create certain units like a normal gateways (only spawn at the gateway) + continue to allow the regular amount of warp ins.

I am a big proponent of not patching. Serious players treat mastering the game as an art form, and it is incredibly frustrating, if not downright insulting, when devs remove game features that prevent them from executing their favourite strategies. I think there are also a lot of scenarios where game devs make patches to appeal to haters ranting about particular "IMBA" strategies when that strategy might have been broken a few months later with pure gameplay adaptation. The meta being broken by players adds a lot more excitement to the game because certain players will be popularized for particular play styles and they serve as great inspiration for the fandom for "ushering a new era" of strategy. Lastly, competitive video game in general is plagued with a loser's mindset where players blame their loss on "unfair" balancing rather than their own inadequacy. Patching feeds more into this mindset, and minimizing it is the only way to help players adopt a much healthier mindset that can promote video gaming to a broader audience.

1:00 Thank You Mario

"You either have a really long game with one race favored, or the other race does 50/50 all in".... yeah, that strongly reminds me of Sky Toss era in PvZ in SC2...

I hope they release patches more often in Stormgate

I disagree with it simply due to the fact that the new patch is pretty much all positive changes that will be good for the game, there is stil plenty to address. No huge changes but there are problems with things like creep, queens and a lot of spellcasters.

A balanced game is great, of course. By that, I mean many things being viable (with some needing specific circumstances to be good). I think one challenge within modern gaming is the idea that the developer should adjust the meta to provide more gameplay content. It's a a valid way, but I think it does affect longevity of a game.

I wouldn't mind long (30+) games. At the end they will mine out the map anyway.

i dont always agree with artys conclusions but he does an excellent job of presenting the factual information as well as his opinion. hes def not afraid of giving his opinion but he also presents it in a way that you can have a counter thought to his opinion. so i respect him for that

Personally I would love to patches that actually shake the meta. As long as it is not just Blizzard doing changes.

Makes me wonder if we'll ever have another RTS experience like Brood War because macro mechanics are so casual in new RTS games.

1:48 wait, mapmakers can't rotate minerals or even change rock health numbers? Jeez no wonder the map usually doesn't matter

do you think candycrush-activision is competent enough to do good work? they just borked wc3. adding new mechanics to a 20 year old rts.

zerg in SC2, is really the only race that uses all their units. Not that they have to use all their units, but all the units that will help. Terran rarely uses raves, despite them saving 225 minerals per scan, and ravens are worth it even without detection. Anti armor missile is extremely powerful. Marines would win all the engagements in the early game that they often win anyway, and There is no unit that trades favorably with BC if aa missile is applied. Zerg are often using infestor/viper at the same time, along with ling bane micro which is already harder than bio micro. They are also manually targeting their transfuse. In short zerg players do so much more than terran it's ridiculous.

So one thing i like about guild wars is that they change skills weekly... which encourages play and new builds creates innovative mindset... So a round tourney table where the rules change is liek good D & D.... This allows the core game to be better balanced by revealing the exploits people find... Ihaven't played competitively in a long time BUttons taht starcraft didn't have that other RTS's had was scatter and split. YOu push x while unit group is selected and it causes al loft them to spread out a bit. WE also don't have formation quick key, that oculd be different between races, IE roach formation, so it auto burrows at 25% health and unburrows at 80%, specific formations ,but then its jsut a ocmtuer doing what a person can do... is itbetter, meh it uses things to a better degree. I cna't quite remember but the most used buttons Screen memory: Using shortcuts to screen spaces, IE base, expansion, and opponenets base and natural. Space bar - finding current events. I think its [ and ] when a group is slected it selects the lowest health and highest health. Tab allows you to cycle through units/buildings/. SOme peopel putall buildings on one tab. f2 select all military. f1 select next scv idle unit. (kind of annoying that it centers on screen. Groupings. Typically you wantot remap and havea better memory for your key board. So remaping is allowing yout mouse hand use 1-6 buttons. Having one maped to your primary army is good, and using a tech one. Map screen setting I usually changed to a offset akward button, because I keep the good localized buttons near the left hand. So the specials. Further remaping is, all building simliar types are all on the same hot key. IE overlord is S, Supply depot S, pylon S, this allows you to always think supply build supply.. makign the hot keys, quick. Forge, evo, Research bay, to barracks, spawning pool, gateway. althogh not a big deal... remaping can make it easier os you dn't spend 25 seconds at hte beginign like oh its not that key, lol. The weakest slection button out of a group is great for micro. P for patrol while group selected. A for Attack move. Right click is a move command typically I never use that, unless i Need to manage around with minimal losses, but I do use it actively for scouting. IE 5-6 zerglings. 150 minerals and in 5 seconds using hte minimap, can send all the units to the minieral lines and burrow. So a great little trick is, right move, hold shift burrow, so when those units get there they burrow, but then you unslect one from teh current group and give the same command to naother location. repeat until there is no more in the group. Viola.. zergling goes around the map, to those locations burrowing, without having to micro them. I consider this type of scout planting macroing... Since you only use your minimap. You can also build. your home centers on the minimap, that some reason snap into location of the mineral lien and always are perfect when built from a minimap, or its jsut me... whihc saves you about 2-3 seconds screen time, simply select the scv. Having a build group of scvs like 5 ot zerglings, to remote build what you need from the minimap, while focusing on your army movement. So a military unit mines units. so a mineral unit mines money. There value is on their performance and use. I always though military units should be be able to mine also, at a diminished rate, IE 2-3 minerals per 10-15 seconds.. and while having minerals reduced attack etc, but htat ould bring problems, but they coudl always destroy or delete those minerals but htne it becomes other problems of peopel mining out with their army... So Starcraft iwthout probes or a command center, you die typically.. Which is nice, and there is no recovery, lol. anyways thats my tips for starcraft and it will amke you a better player... Hotkeys... really speed up your abilty to micor manage... There is a button or combination to select all of x thing, on screen and across the map. I did it in a co-op game but I can't rmmeber the hotkey, and another thing is print offf the hot key sets and look at your options. There is a few more, but shift with tactical spell casting is great for battle cruisiers and snipes and or spionic storms.

Brood war just needs small adjustments to less utilized spells like EMP, Esnare and Maelstrom.

They should take out that protoss unit that's just a ball that makes your opponent micro

great talking points here

Compared to BW, SC2 has much more on an audience and spectators/fans/people who queue to watch the game but not necessarily play it want changes every now and again.

Well this video is more of a comparisson between sc1 and sc2

Scrap station is the best SC2 map. The only tihng broodwar needs is to not have the mini map be black untill u see something, its annoying.

Wait bw pros said bw wasn't perfectly balanced? I need more info

sc2 almost needs match up sepfic balance, like a unit would have damage reduced but only against terran cos that unit is op against terran without ruining it in other match ups.

"It goes super long and one race is favoured, or you're just going 50/50 all in" yeah that's TvZ in star2 right now dude... It goes late or Terran all ins cause playing late vs Zerg sucks, so ofc they deal with this by buffing Zerg and nerfing Terran's lategame win conditions, great "balance council"

I think the original poster was heavily influenced by what he perceived to be a poor roll-out of the patch. It would be interesting to her Artosis or other pros take on that. It's kind of like "what is the lesser of 2 evils"? If the patches are so poorly handled, maybe it's better to just leave well enough alone.

Your point is that sc2 needs patches to keep the game evolving (and not so much regarding balance) because due to the game mechanics the strategies/play -style converge to the optimal ones quickly (within months) and no map diversity could change that. That's no good of course and future RTS games should take note of that. What sc2 REALLY needs are ways to make its play-style more diverse. I'd propose to revert back to 6 workers instead of 12. More early game deviations, more decisions, more interesting. Second, I would not underestimate the map creators. At least in BW, the managed to come up with amazing creative ideas. There's still hope.

It worked out for SC Broodwar, but that doesn't mean it's good game development. Regular patches keep the game fresh and interesting for players, while also allowing for relief with balance frustrations. 'Patching' the game through maps is overall a worse strategy because the player (especially at a high level) judges the probable outcome of the game before the match even begins, and that is not fun game design.

Ohh, I saw that nickname on Is It Imba or Do I suck a while ago. Harstem said iloveoof sucks, opinion discarded :D

Knowing the atrocious balancing Blizzard's been doing on WC3 Reforged, I am doubtful with the SC2 patches. It's not a bad thing to have updates here and there, but I feel like it shouldn't be a frequent thing unless it's bug fixes of course.

Carriers OP

It’s needed new units to play with, better balancing, better marketing, more incentive to play. SC2 got abandoned years ago and it’s taking just as long to make the 3rd one.

I used to play WC3 competitively and maps were overwhelmingly unbalanced, which was kind of used to balance a BO3 with vetoes and so on, now the map pool is close to balanced. I far prefer that. Hope Blizzard doesn't abandon the game.

Rare Artosis W

Zerg has been broken for way too long. Simple.

I like patches. I wish some of my favorite classic fighting games had received more.

What do you think about autogenerated maps?

sc2 needs a patch that makes the starting workers 10 and returns the bases back to the normal resource count , i don't like the reduced base resources.......

mhm.

Protoss too OP in SC2? Let's balance it through MAPS, no wallable naturals or main bases, let those zerglings rein free! Make those deadzones for liberators to shoot those mining probes. Emp, let's make that shit bigger. Carriers, nerf them.

Does the fact that the game get "figured out" so quickly has to do with the devs doing to many patch to quickly? To a point where players naturally started becoming very conservative because they knew that a patch was coming no matter what. Or is the problem the fact that that some units got really bad design?

poor poster he thought the patch had been rolled out and then quickly hotfixed, and now everyone is dragging him trough the dirt

SC2 needs more new maps which are not average and "E-SPORTS READY". It's boring to see people play Cloud Kingdom reskins. It's like CSGO league played only on dust 2

Sc3 should be like cs:go. A mix of cs 1.6 and source?

Just give every race Creep

Needs to revert back to wings of liberty.

As a SC2 Plat league random player I think yes the game should be patched (but not to often, every 3 months tops, maybe every 6 months most balanced). Everytime there are actually changes it is a lot of fun to try new things and I also see the meta of low level players like myself shifting. For example shield batteries used to be spammed by every protoss in these lowskill games, this is no longer the case, also void rays have died out completely. So these patches even affect us normies and I think they are cool.

MMM (Marine, Marauder, Medievac) is and will always be the issue. It's too strong, synergizes completely. High skill ceiling, but then everything is based around that. You also see that you can't "shoot back" at high ground units _without_ some kind of high ground vision (e.g., medievac), rather than a "25% chance to hit" or something. This further necessitates, for terran, having medievac, an extremely mobile (stock with boost, leave alone with the boosters researched). You HAVE to go MMM. MMM is valid in all match-ups, practically a requirement, with a splash of tanks for TvT. Mech is "kind of" valid. It's a t-1/1.5 unit that scales into the late game. Compare that to, say, broodwar. You have to have a composition of several units (tanks+marine+goliaths+battlecruiser+science vessel). Marines with only 40 hp, and the Marines have harder counters (defilers, lurkers), and you have to maneuver those troops very carefully. SC2, as long as you remember to hit 'stim', you're pretty much golden to let the A.I. take the reins. I'd say make combat shield +5 hp, not +10. Reduce Marine HP back down to 40. Reduce queens, weaken adepts a bit, too, and now you've got a lot less 'snowball' effect. If we reduced the requirements of aerial vision, (e.g., let units shoot back with severely reduced chance to hit against units on high ground they don't have vision on), I think you're right, we'd see map design mattering a lot more. What you said was correct- micro matters way more in Brood War, in SC2 it's about strategy, what you're doing/"why you're making it," rather than "how you use what you have."

Tilting favor of a race through maps is called imbalance. That felt like some strong copium not just saying it's bad.

We need a new esport viable RTS... I tried COH3 last night and it aint it

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Patching things just to "mix it up" is what destroyed League of Legends. I'd take "balance through maps" over that any day.

What I’m hearing: basically, SC2 is shit next to Brood War. And I agree.

1:10 "Male horse sperm", as opposed to the female kind..? More brilliance from the Twitch audience.