Agreed - I'd prefer to see our younger players given a chance to play the Ajax style over persisting with senior players who can't play it and changing his entire philosophy. If this current style is being drilled in training, the education of our younger players is at risk and their potential to ever play progressive football might be wasted.

Shaw is injured. What you are missing is the fact that Man United you don’t get time to experiment because a win is expected in every game. If Ten Hag fields a team with no centre backs and gets beaten then it’s P45 time.

As an Ajax fan i can tell you that our 2019 Ajax team was insane, United doesn’t have the same quality atm, maybe when the starting back 4 are fit. All our players where amazing in position, that’s the Ajax DNA. We also had the legs and talent to go for 90 mins. With all due respect, you think a coach at a club as United is going to play fantasy ball like this video? Come on now. Love ur videos tho, keep up!

Funnily enough, the further Dave went on explaining his line up, the further I was getting closer to agreeing with Ten Hag.

I don't care if we lose as long as we execute a clear pattern of play. But right now we are just lost. Lost more than ever 😢

Shaw being injured all season has had a huge impact not only on our ability to play through our defense but with his crossing, set pieces, and his connection with Rashford. Rashford has looked so lost and has been terrible and I think that coincides with Luke Shaw not being there

My response to that very strange comment from Ten Hag would be to ask, “Then why in the world have you spent so much money on bringing in 3 players from that Ajax team and attempting to bring in De Jong last year? Clearly you wanted to play that style at some point. I feel like this is Ten Hag giving up somewhat.

He wanted to play the Ajax style but the most important player in that team was Frankie De Jong and he thought he was going to get him. When he didn’t, I think that’s when he gave up the idea of being like Ajax

Playing nearly everyone out of position and a bunch of kids with two games a week is a recipe for disaster. Particularly considering up until just recently Onana hasn't been on his best form. His two best attackers in Bruno and Rashford also do their best work on the break. Mainoo has been unfit until recently and Shaw is still out. For me the video kind of demonstrates ETH's point. Hopefully Sir Jim sorts out the recruitment this summer. I also don't know if that group is dominating possession anyway, they are all fine passers but none of them exceptional for their position apart from Onana. They're like a bunch of serviceable options.

Thanks Dave. Most uplifting reaction to the derby yet. I’m actually excited for the next game.

Keep up the good work Dave. 👍🏽 Your attention to detail is very commendable and educative. 👏🏽 I hope a top team recruits you someday (if that's part of your dreams) but until then, you're special. ❤

Wow man UTD should sign this guy as manager. He thinks so out of box that he can play injured players in his 11 get him in now

Superb man please send it to someone at united to reach ten hag

I've been banging on about the mid and front line up for ages. I'm so glad you've come up with this analysis.

Finally Dave you are talking sense 👏🏼 but he will never drop rashford and Bruno(not good enough) the club will not allow it it’s politics I’m a afraid. That team is young and experience together with energy and I like it. If ten hag had the balls to do it the fans will back him 100% he is under massive pressure bc fans have no patience and results is a must from the board. Send this video to ten hag. Let’s see what he does against Newcastle, if he still needs more players then January is almost here as a ball playing fast cb is a must anyway. The next three games are crucial for ten hag to send a message to these untouchables and bin them

Injuries without a doubt has a big impact on the poor start to the season. Look at City without Rodri and De Bruyne, lost games. Ten Hag misses 4-5-6-7 at times from his ideal starting 11. Without injuries, should be: Hojlund Rashford - Bruno - Mount Amrabat - Mainoo Shaw - Martinez - Varane - Wan Bissaka Onana The bench looking like this: Hannibal, Casemiro, McT, Malacia, Maguire, Dalot, Eriksen, Martial, Antony, Garnacho, Pellistri, Amad, Lindelof, Evans, Bayindir. The players would have more confidince, hence getting better results, all playing better football. But that is not the case, would love to see players injury free for a long period of time. Ten Hag made Old Trafford a fortress last season, too many first team players injuried this season is not normal. When the players are all injury free, Ten Hag will do wonders again. As you say, Ten Hag needs to be more creative with his team selection and gameplan, @statmandave your suggestion also looks very interesting and I believe it would work. I wish some MUFC decision makers watches the suggestions around many sensible youtubers.

My bro i think if im not mistaken Shaw is injured and we have already seen ETH play Shaw in that position many times so he knows... Nobody knows how ETH wants to play this season because he as not has his first 11 or even 14 fit and available.... and if you think manioo or mason is near the player that frenkie is, the ganja you smoking is some wild shit hence why ETH wanted to get frenkie for the entirety of a summer window

Really enjoyed this Dave! Appreciate that you're video is exploring solutions, not just piling on, which is all most people are doing. I'd love to see this lineup tomorrow against Newcastle. Who would you swap in for Amad and Shaw while they're injured?

Don't disagree but I do wonder has he saw something in training that has made him think otherwise? Injuries haven't helped either. Would be nice to see some younger players getting more game time

Personally i feel the problem is that last season we had Licha who played line breaking passes and ensured that we could play a high line. This season with Maguire and Evans we're restricted from playing the same way. Also one of Rashford or Holjung need to adapt their game for both to fit into a system. Also by looking at United you would assume that the tactic is to build the play out wide more than centrally however with Shaw injured Rashford seems more isolated and has to stay more wide rather than cut in to the middle.

As a Liverpool fan I genuinely hope that your lineup is the one we face in December at anfield, we will have a genuine chance of topping the 7-0! Ole has a great record against Liverpool and city? Bruh, we wrecked you 9-0 on aggregate in his last season lol.

Dave my fucking g. Been screaming avout using casemiro as a CB for months.

Last season was probably more than what we all expected, my realistic expectations last year were to develop a style a play and give it a good go in the cups, seems like we've gone backwards and have no clue what we're trying to do on the pitch

I think eth is doing a pretty good job because the club is just too toxic. The new generation of fans that watch football for bet tickets, the hierarchy at the club, the intoxicated academy player like rushy mason, and the lot, the toxic opposition fans the KZfaqrs who think football is won on a drawing board just too much toxic stuff for him or any manager to deal with. Even Pep knows how hard it is at least let's give some space.

Great analysis, very thought provoking!

While I don't think that this exact line-up is the solution I fully agree we need to get players into the team who are able to pass and move, create space, keep the ball going and also keep possession. Watching how the whole City team was in permanent movement while we were static with only short bursts of energy was an eye-opener. Mount is such a player but he is lost if surrounded by others who might be individually brilliant at times but keep the ball for too long, run into blind alleys or don't look up. Unfortunately one player who would be great to play alongside Mount is Sancho but this chapter is probably closed. Also Martial is able to play that way.

Totally agree with you Dave, the lineup would be maverick but id still like to see him stay true to his values and actually improvise rather then setup so badly, play so badly and keep losing. Even with what we do have, he should be able to grow some and drop some underperforming players. Lets see what he does tonite.

You lost me at Case at a ball playing Cb.. that's just pulling at strings now. He wanted frankie and got Case. For ten hag, the pivot is pivitol to the way he wanted to play. if we had someone like bissuma or rodri, we would absolutely play that way.Maino is the closest

Dave, i am no expert at tactics but it seems to me that we never have a passing option in space for the most part and most phases. And most teams we play against seem to do this extremely easily. Do our players out of position be doing more?

Couldn’t agree with you more on the idea and i believe it would be a great success (at least in terms of style of play). But the most unfortunate and most frustrating thing is that, ETH would not have the balls to risk or even partially try this.

Great video Dave

Making changes like this may not produce the best results. However it will help us to build an identity and help the recruitment team see what we’re trying to do and where we’re lacking. Great video 👌

This is what happens when you play too much FIFA and football manager!That team would be the shortest team in the league and I'd love to see them defend corners! Multifunctional players can survive in the Eredivise when your team is better than most!But in the Prem they will get found out! In an alternate universe after 5 losses,fans would turn on him because by then his team is 19th or 20th in the league! It would be intersting to see it though but I don't see any top club having to be that creative apart from through necessity! At a smaller club maybe you will get time to try this but not at United!

Dave you need praise. You’re lifting us United fans at the moment. Thanks so much 👊

I agree 100% that Ten Hag is completely wrong, and I agree that he needs to be much more creative, but I have no idea why you’ve complicated this so much. There’s no way you’re playing Casemiro CB. He’s not press resistant, he’s been terrible on the ball this season, he isn’t press resistant, he’s lazy. Maguire is right there. He’s still not press resistant, but he’s our best long passer, and that’s exactly what you wanted in that position. He’s also very aggressive, more intelligent than Casemiro, and he isn’t lazy. Obviously, once Martinez is back, him at CB is a given. Shaw at LB would then make sense, too. Blind regularly played LB under Ten Hag, thinking back to the 2021/22 season, I believe? With Blind LB (Shaw), Martinez LCB, Timber RCB, and Mazraoui RB (Dalot). Blind then often dropped in as a third CB, with Mazraoui pushing high up the pitch. Alvarez (Amrabat) would often drop between the CB’s, too. This honestly couldn’t be a more perfect fit for the players mentioned. They al suit these roles brilliantly. We also have Reguilon for while we are waiting for Martinez to get back. He’s different to Shaw, but then Dalot could drop into a back three, so Reguilon could push high up the pitch. Luckily, both Shaw and Dalot are very flexible players, so they’re easy to work around. Also, that front 4 is WAY too young and inexperienced. If Amrabat is our deepest midfielder, then Mount could push forward a bit. The 3rd midfielder would be experimental. Whoever works best. I’d guess Mainoo but Bruno, Casemiro, Hannibal, Gore, Eriksen, Scott, even Donny, are all options. Antony RW, as he was at Ajax, Rashford LW, as Garnacho is even more direct imo, and Hojlund up front. That’s a great team for a more possession based system, without over-complicating things. You could even play Martial LW, who slows the play down more. In comparison to 2021/22 Ajax side: Pasveer - Onana Blind - Shaw Martinez - Martinez Timber - Maguire/Varane Mazraoui - Dalot Alvarez - Amrabat Gravenberch - probably Mainoo Berghuis - Mount Tadic - Rashford/Martial Haller - Hojlund Antony - Antony All pretty much perfect fits except LW.

@statmandave I like your out of the box thinking. I wish Ten Hag would try something like you suggested. This would also work, when Martinez is back, and put Shaw as left back? Pairing Casemiro and Martinez as CBs?

Some good points tbf and the injuries have hurt us massively but once everyone's back I don't think our back 6-7 is the problem. Are defence was brilliant last season o think it's our creative 3 they need a re vamp or at least they need dropping. Try youngster for example I think our best youngster creative 3 is Garnacho Mejbri and pellistri or maybe without jus youngsters Garnacho mount and amad with ambrabat or casemero and Eriksson in the midfield but yea overall I agree we just need something different. So much potential

Great video Dave, completely agree with everything you've said. That team would run rings around the typical ones EtH is currently obsessed with.

I think people don't understand what Ten Hag was doing at Ajax. He brought directness to a club that has had a base of playing possession for decades. He has always been a pragmatist that builds on top on what is already there.

Good video brother

I don't disagree with getting creative and thinking out of the box, but to be able to play attacking possession football, you still need a relatively decent back four that can be depended to keep the ball away from your defensive third so that the offensive players can do their thing. If your back four is going to allow opposing teams to not just regularly pressure them but also concede goals or allow many shots at goal, then your offensive players will be doing too much helping out the defence, spending too much time in your own half, and not seeing the ball enough for them to exert their influence on the game. Either that or they leave the defence on their own, and we get routed. That is United's problem at the moment. We also need a much higher work rate from all 11 players. Especially the front 5-6. The defence must push higher up to compress the pitch. But they don't have the self-confidence now to do it. Or maybe they lack to defensive abilities to defend high so they prefer to sit deeper. Sitting deeper means more space for opposing teams and more ground for our front 6 to cover, allowing opposing players more ease to negate the press. To press well, you need a lot of players in a tight space to be able to exert greater pressure and create more nervousness in the opposing team. If the defence is sitting deep, it's just a waste of energy trying to press. Once you can get the defensive side sorted out, then the front 6 just needs to up their work rate in order to execute the press well. To adopt a high line, you need a back 5 with a lot of self-belief, self-confidence, and trust in each other. The ones we have now, including those you propose, don't appear to have that at the moment.

The fact that in a starting 11 with almost everyone out of position you still had to use players that are actively injured says everything

I agree with most of what your saying.... all im saying is imagine he does this next game agaisnt fulham.... and we loose 2-0 due to people not use to playing like this..... the pressure off of the media etc i think would finish his job. Next thing we know conte is at united and my brains are up the wall

Great video. Agree to every second of it.

This suggested line up reminds me of probably the most off the wall SAF lineup from the latter years against Arsenal. If I remember right, both da Silva brothers in midfield with I think O'Shea and a weird defense as well.

The fact that we are clutching at straws in this way is depressing. I agree with everything you've said. Doesn't matter how many chances we concede, we're shite defensively anyway. May as well try to score some goals.

Statman Dave you give me hope! Not much but you still give me hope with ETH.

the reason Erik ten Hag has said he cant play like he played at Ajax is because there is not player like Frenkie de Jong i think Mainoo could play a FdJ type role but then you need a midfielder next to him who kinda stay back but is also very good on the ball and even if this team works 1 injury and the whole team is f´d again because you have to play maguire or you have to play Wan-Bissaka who we all know are not good on the ball which means apart from Lisando Martinez and Shaw you dont have any depth in defence and in the pivots also Diallo is a very different type of player than Ziyech the same goes for Hannibal and Donny van de Beek and Hojlund is a striker Tadic was played as a false nine so it wont play the same as Ajax and unless EtH gets players who are good on the ball for both depth and first team players and for the people ssaying but Antony was a different type than Ziyech Ajax had Tadic ont he left who was the creative winger who doent need pace Unless EtH gets a Frenkie de Jong type of player (which means someone who you can pass the ball to and know he wont lose it and dribble past his men or give a good pass) and a good ball playing RCB i dont see him ever getting close tot the Ajax style

What I love from this video is how you removed that "holy dou" 😅 Those guys need to be sat on the bench for at least 4 games for the time been

Imagine having Alphonso Davies and Frimpong as our starting LB and RB. That would be very very entertaining. Imagine how many goals Hojlund would score.

We've been saying this since 2009 when we got destroyed by Pep. We should have done everything after Fergie left especially and LVG came in to do this style. If we had we'd be a good team now and have a plan / style implemented for the past few years.

To some extent, I think ETH was trying to send a message to the board and some deadwood in the squad, and with your analysis, I can accept that Rashy and MC maybe Bruno can't play his style because Bruno just have gpod work rate and and those Hollywood passes he can't retain possession unlike the like of Bernado Silva and KDB and Rashy like to play direct so I don't mind ìf ETH use the academy players and push out those big names costing him to pay his style of football I'm ready to have patient I don't know others. Thanks for always giving the fans hope and insight. I hope you get hired in the club technical department

You earned my subscription just with this video. ETH needs to think outside the box. He can strength his défense with middle fielders.

We have Donny Van De Beek and you are ignoring him and playing Mejbri Hannibal. Joker. He played in that Ajax team, and is currently being ignored and pundits are not putting enough pressure. Mason Mount doesn't play 2 games and all of a sudden its WW3. Donny is obviously tactically very good. Your team isn't good enough and would be beaten easily by Newcastle. We need Ericksen, Donny, Mason, all playing. I like the Amrabat move. But we need Casemiro playing in the middle, with Varane and Lindelof in the middle. Onana Amrabat Varane Lindelof Reguilon Casemiro Eriksen Mason Donny Garnacho Martial Honestly this team would be so technically good.

I still have hope he will figure it out, last season we controlled games, scored goals e.t.c

Not sure about Casemiro in defence, he’s not the best when pressed. He’d be much better as an 8 next to Amrabat as a 6.

Having to get that creative to get a poor version of Ajax is exactly the problem. 1 or 2 bold calls and players playing out of position is one thing but an entire back 6 out of their natural position is wild. Doing it because we can't get any worse is insane. This squad needs to be burnt to the ground and rebuilt properly with a director of football to oversee it. Anything else is a short term fix. We've gone through this cycle far too many times and have been screaming for a director of football for what feels like a decade now.

Being a coach is far from being a football analyst You were never at Ajax and you're not in man Utd

ETH gotta play his own way. Bench the players that dont fit his system. Players need clarity too

I think Dave is underestimating what it means to be a manager.. pep said it to the journalist as well when they questioned him about Erik “You think it’s easy? Because you’re a journalist.. it’s not easy”

thanks Dave.... once again, you're on point. we need to play possession based football.

The thing with this is atleast 5 of those players have been out injured and only coming back so maybe that is what Ten Hag was getting at?? Great video btw

Totally agree Unrelated but I'd try this on fifa Implementation of this would work wonders

I think the shape is all wrong when possession is lost. Fergie's teams and the great 1970s Leeds teams all quickly got into two banks of four when losing possession. With United, there's a huge gap between the back four and the rest of the team when possession is lost. They're wide open!

But how can ETH play a makeshift backline with 4 players out of preferred position. Shaw is out for long time. Why you put shaw in? And Mainoo is too young. Cannot do such experimentation with large clubs.

This is a great video so you have a new subscriber in me. Can you tell me why McGuire still is on the pitch? Knowing ten Hag from Ajax i know he would have benched him. My gut feeling is that United doesn't want to ten Hag to bench him.

loved that video Dave as I love all your videos bro keep up the great work, I'll go you one better, if I did use Rashford or Anthony in that team they would never ever play inverted it would be Rashford to the right side and Anthony to the left ole school wingers with Rasmus in the middle we have a friggin target man in the box use him and any cleaning up the midfielders running in can hit the long range, can't take much more of this bro I back Ten hag cause I loved his football at Ajax he does have the players he needs to drop Rashford and Bruno , the players need to adapt to his system not he to them. if I see that Carobo cup team tomorrow with either Bruno or Rashford in it I won't be watching they are killing the game for us fans

Dave! We simply didn't sign the players everyone knew we needed. I agree with midfield, but the defense could use Wan bissaka as a CB. You need a good one on one CB to make it work. You can't play Luke Shaw and Casemiro as CBs. Bruno has to be in the CAM position behind Rasmos. Anthony is a useless forward player. He loses the ball so many times and causes turn overs for the opposition. At best put him at left back and Diego at Right back. I'm still not sure if Mount is ready yet. So play McTomney instead in CDM with Cobi. As far as striker is concerned, either Rasmos or Martial should work. Although, I wish we had brought in a seasoned striker to alternate with Rasmos. Rashford just needs a good set up in midfield to get back in form. He's had no proper support. Finally, we need to by a RW, because we suck in that position. Greenwood was our guy for that position. So either bring him back or find someone else. Anthony should not be playing there at all.

These players aren't fit to carry out what EtH wants. Said it when he 1st arrived. He has a similar rebuild job to us (Mikel) & he still hasn't got everything we need to compete... Either way, trust the process with EtH or get an unknown manager in, because nobody elite is coming in. Fanbase calling for EtH's head, haven't really thought this through...

Five players injured - but that's the team you want to stick out at the weekend. Nice one

Shaw and Martinez being out had had more impact than most realize

Your comparison of yesteryear Ajax players and current MU players is far off the mark. Coaches know their players strength and weakness that's why they set them up in a particular pattern to get the best out of them. Again CO must buy the coach his first choice players. He wanted Kane the top striker to score goals plus Kim the ball playing defender to build from the back thus got no support. Remember he also wanted Pravada and the Nice defender

Onana, Martinez, Ambrabat, Eriksen, Mount, Höjlund, Antony are his players. That’s the base of an Ajax style team. He shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions on transfers anymore. His only role should be to manage the club and advise which players are surplus also request a certain type of player not a specific player. His recruitment is abysmal. In the summer messaged Richard Arnold and Co and stated that we needed a RW that can play LW, LB that can play LM or LW. LCB that can play LB and CM that can also play as a CM. Our injuries this year or were out due to drama were LB,CB,CM,RW and a striker. I wasn’t that far off. Ten Hag is capable. His philosophy is good. His tactics are underwhelming. He must improving his staff if he wants to continue as manager for Manchester United. If you injuries are your excuse. Why didn’t we focus on squad depth instead of buying 3 players for 200M. That’s not the correct approach to transcend your philosophy. He deserves a director of football that can focus on what United actually need. Doesn’t mean that person is Blanc, Mitchell etc. They need to look really hard.

Even among the available players he is selecting mcsauce who doesn’t even receive the ball from defense over players like mejbri or vdb who are more technical . He is to blame for his player selection

Ten Hag has been told to play direct, transition football by the people above him because they've told him thats the united heritage (And probably to suit our current 'stars'). We are never going to play Ajax football, unfortunately.

While at Ajax, Erik ten Hag wanted Malacia and Mason Mount. He has brought them in and also brought in Martinez, Antony, Onana who were at Ajax. Add Eriksen to that, who used to be at Ajax, and Amrabat who he had at Utrecht. Oh and Donny van de Beek who was already at United. That’s 8 players! He clearly doesn’t have his own unwavering football philosophy and just adjusted accordingly at Ajax. What was discussed in the job interview with Murtough & Arnold? What was the expectation outlined as far as playing style? I think we have a bigger problem when our “Football Director” cannot crystallize the fine details of the expected playing style when making decisions on the coach to hire.

Really illustrates how far we are from being able to play like Ajax 2019. That lineup is horrible.

surely to do that he'd need to be given players capable of doing that. rather than hand picking who he thinks are capable

He seemed to listen to you Dave when you posted about playing McTominay as a second striker. Let’s hope he listens to you on this. 🤞

I would love to see him try this. Can’t get much worse than what it is now. But some of these players miss football IQ, heart or legs

Did he just say teams all the prem aspire to be like City, Arsenal AND BRIGHTON.?

I like your (goddam) vids, Dave. But I got to point out that Luke Shaw is out with a long-term injury, and we aren't sure when he will be back. Replace with Varane?

Ironically 3 players his team outclassed that day is currently in Man Utd😂

Man dropped Rashford and Bruno. At this stage I would just be happy with that. If those two start against Newcastle and Fulham, I don’t know how long Erik lasts. It’s such a shame what’s happened - last season Erik seemed so full of ideas, but this season it’s just disappeared!

I ALWAYS say that I would prefer to try something different, rather than persist with something that doesn't work. So I would be happy to see ETH try more things like this. Having said that, that defence would indeed be slaughtered IMO 😕 A winger who is fast would destroy Amrabat, and one who is decent at dribbling would destroy Casemiro, and any crosses aimed at Shaw and Dalot would likely result in goals. If you want a high press, Rashford CANNOT play, which is unlikely given his status and wages, even though he deserves to be dropped. 😕 But yeah, I'd rather try ANYTHING than keeping playing the same way we are now

PEP evolved, the way his team played in Spain had similarities but an adapted version I'm Germany and now in England he's evolved again, Ten HAG is forcing a style that doesn't work

I mostly agree with you Dave, but not this time. Man Utd don't have the capacity to replicate Ajax play right now with so many absentees due to injury. The back four that we have now simply lacks quality. ETH would have done all these changes you are speaking of of he saw the possibility of success in training.

I told you months back Dave - Dalot can't defend and you said he had improved last 2 performances highlighted he hasn't he's a piss poor defender who would probably be a better player as a midfielder - Reguilon on the other side 4th choice at Spurs is no better then Brandon Williams.

It can definitely get worst…would be ranked 20th for goals conceded with this lineup

In my opinion, you are the best football analyst on this platform. Should be working for Man Utd.

I think players lack mentality as alluded by Ralf Rangnick

Shaw was the Martinez backup not Evans, lindelof or Maguire, Shaw so good

It’s funny cus I literally prolonged caemiro’s career on my fm by putting him CB he turned into a Thiago silva fine wine legend.

The absence of Shaw and Martinez has had an adverse effect on this team

As much as I agree with you Dave, it's like the manager hasn't been allowed to experiment as much as he would want to.. And then there's the case of injuries, Mainoo just came back you can't be rushing into the PL. Lastly ManUtd isn't Ajax in shape and philosophy. We first need to agree that after Fergie there's been no particular style of football here unlike Ajax who do. You might want to say ETH upped the intensity and creativity but here he's starting from scratch. He needs time, most importantly footballing heads not Mort or Edward.

Dave should try to make a team with whats available now. Shaw is injured, mainoo was injured. Otherwise this is not usful at all.

The thing we signed players with high wages and agreed playing time , if these star players doesn't get time they agreed , again ten hag gonna scrutinized by the media,fans and their agents and the sacking cycle will continue.......

If it's so simple why has 3 top managers failed?

He's going to be the next manager relieved of his very highly paid duties...... The thing is, perhaps Ten Hag needs to be reminded that the Eridivisie is not the Premier League and vice versa, its two completely different styles of football and a totally different quality of clubs and players from top to bottom of the league. The players at a club can be changed, the posiition they play, how they play etc..... Pep and Arteta are 2 managers who have done this to numerous players and it has been successful so it can be done, maybe Ten Hag just isn't a very inspirational manager, maybe he can't get players fired up or he can't get players to buy into what he wants. To be honest, from an outsider's point of view, it looks like he might have actually lost the dressing room and that is catastrophic for Man Utd.................. but awfully funny for the rest of us!!!!!!

Bruno, Rashford and Mctominay are all tier 2 players, they can't even be starting if they were in City.