SO.. let me get this right.. If the truck does its own brake applications then its fine.. but if the driver has to brake then it counts against the total?? Why? the truck is probably using more braking then a human would. so its GOOD for it to wear my brakes faster and potentially overheat and warp them??

Napster6 The Exhaust brake is way stronger in Ram then the Ford and GMC , the point is the truck is safer and won’t let ya have a run away, have you ever hauled over 30,000 lbs with a 3500 pickup?

Something isn't right with that truck it was only pushing 20psi boost should be 35 psi under load

@@dodgeman2324 You have no way of proving that the engine brake is stronger whatsoever.. The computer in the RAM uses the normal brakes more than the computer in the Ford or the Chevy.. That much is blatantly obvious. "Zero break applications" does not mean the brakes weren't used.. That's part of the problem that hundreds of commenters are currently having with this video. And considering that 30,000 lbs of towing capacity takes a CDL I highly doubt you have towed that much so what's your point?

Napster6 hahahahaha I’m licensed with AZ

Ford can do the same thing, they just didn't get one with adaptive cruise this year. GM however doesn't offer adaptive cruise yet. They have a following distance alert tho. They did the f450 years ago with adaptive cruise and it held them.

David Hillbrand 👍

Yep. The Ford will hold it too. They set the slight increase in speed to low. Leave foot off break with cruise on and it will downshift and bring it right back to preset speed. PS. Ford crushed them. Also, he always complains about dodge mirrors and how they can’t telescope in/out. Till now. But they still don’t telescope. Terrible design.

If you plan on keeping a truck 4 to 8 years it’s a no brainer Ram is the only way to go. If you like spending thousands don’t buy a ram if I had to explain you shouldn’t buy a diesel truck

@@KoolCordell ford doesn't have the air ride though which is huge when you're towing

You may be right... But only .0001% of trailers pulled on a givin day travel downhill on the Gauntlet and need 5 brakes but you need to have passin get up and go sometimes daily on the highway.... And the Ram does not have the Ford "JAM"!!! Cummins blow their "Exhaust" gaskets on "Ike type" even shorter hills if on a daily basis!!!! "Perfect run" 10 minutes but none of the trucks can do it????

@@davemurphy2774 idk I find it really weird the the more powerful truck with 1075 lb ft of torque didn't get a way better time going uphill

@@davemurphy2774 guys they're keeping them at 60. And if anyone thinks in the altitude like this that the Ford diesel is tougher or more reliable than the Cummins, you clearly don't live there. Even Ford dealers cannot keep up with the repairs and breakdowns of their engines, and send them to other shops in hopes that the customer gets it back sooner. If you live in Colorado and drive a truck, especially a large weight pulling truck, just look around, it's ram everywhere!

Word!

Ok.

Imagine that... I mean this weather was LOVED by these turbo diesels. On a hot day, they'll easily lose power specially when on cold days the air is more condensed

@@hkhanpour all internal combustion engines will run less efficiently in the hot weather but diesel is always the most efficient option for moving heavy loads.

Come get it right IT guys!!

Big Injun stock cummins turn 4K rpm lots on tuned truck. 5k on the older ones. It’s fine

The only time I've ever redlined any of my Cummins is going down that hill. Max exhaust brake performance

@@bandabanderos saw one couple days ago at my cousins shop where cylinder 1 was blown to pieces.

Big Injun anything can happen, of course. But that’s not the norm

@@bandabanderos no, I know they are dependable.

Ace of Spades I like the fact you can see the motor inside the Ram. It’s not covered with hoses and wires.

@@itchytriggerfinger7622 I like that about the Ram as well....also I think the Cummins sounds better.....but hard to beat the power of the Powerstroke.

@mtrujillo1973 i got a 2019 powerstroke with 40000 miles on site right now thats already burnin a quart of oil a day....

@@andrewphelps7894 would never buy a ford nowadays. Stick to Cummins or duramax. Probably Cummins for the overall win

@@markparker4032 both sound good when u do some exhaust work if u know what I mean lol

Hey hot shot you’re notna real trucker. I love my 6.7 power stroke but for my ranch shit. drivin hot shot doesn’t make you a trucker. -your real class A cdl with air brakes

​@@marlboroman2393😂 ya sure taught em

I've seen precummins and power stroke off's broken down on the Ike all the time.

not good for gm 😬

Tiny no you didn’t

Just because the electronics applies the brakes instead of the driver is not impressive. Especially with the issues Fiat has across the company.

@@mtevilone Good thing it's not a Fiat. It is impressive too whether you like it or not. It made driving safer and gave the driver more time to focus on driving. That's improvement. Next thing you'll say is Tesla's safety features aren't impressive either. The other trucks couldn't do it and cost the same. Just another punch in the gut to them.

@@MrComputerCoder Who knows how many brake applications the Ram made? If making the computer do the braking means it wears out my brakes twice as fast as a human then no thank you.. i have feet and i know how to use them.

@@Napster60 I didn't ask now did I? It's the way of the future and should be tested. Don't like it? don't care.

@@MrComputerCoder Never said it shouldn't be tested.. But for years the point of the brake application test was to see how effective brake cooling and how the wear was during this rough test on brakes.. They used to jump out at the end of the hill and check the temps of the brakes.. This is a handy and comfortable piece of technology don't put words in my mouth! BUT saying the truck had QUOTE " No brake applications" is FACTUALLY wrong. not counting them because the computer is doing it is disingenuous at best!

100% agree! I'll take the extra 1 minute to get there safely

Dan Moro - and relaxed, not tense. Adds up with a lot of miles.

I don't know how the ford won with 5 brake applications lol downhill test to me are more crucial then going uphill quick not to mention every review I see between these 3 they say the Ram tows better so how did ford score those extra points 😂

Yeah I was a little confused by that as well. Besides the uphill time, what did the Ford win? Ram beat it in the downhill, squat and interior. I love my 2018 Ram 3500 DRW Longhorn! Im not going to upgrade until they change the cab over to the same as the Ram 1500's... I hear in 2021 or 2022.

Agree completely. Between going uphill fast and going down safely and securely, I'll be more concerned with the going down every time.

Well said.

Cummins, hand down. I6 vs its V8 colleagues, less moving parts, tried-and-true 6.7 design. All of them will suffer with after treatment problems.

Good advice

Amen!

only one is great, the other two not so much

JC Nun after owning both RAM’s and Ford’s and my friends also owning ALL the brands combined they ALL have pros and cons. Fords are not as perfect as the fan boys claim them to be. Between death wobble, failing EGT sensors, and loosing a water pump that cost him $4000 to repair my best friend who is die hard Ford isn’t too happy...

@@BrianLampright913 every vehicle can have failures. he paid good money for a rig he should be able to maintain it properly which most people fail to at miserably

mtrujillo1973 Ram puts more torque to the road over GM and Ford. Watch again

That engine is designed to run like that. It's how an exhaust brake works on a diesel engine. The red line might be at 3200 rpm but those engines can easily handle that, they just stop making power at that high of rpm. Also using exhaust brake is much safer than using your actual brakes. Using physical brakes shifts weight around or can create brake fade. The brake pedal while towing, especially with diesel is an in case of emergency device, you need them to be 100% when you need it.

Its perfectly fine running like that. Whats not fine and happens a lot easier is brake fade. I would gladly grenade an engine/trans than not being able to stop.

buddy at the factory when they test the engines before they go for sale they pretty much have them redlined for 24 hours straight ! to see if the engine is good enough quality to sell to customers

I might be bitter but I'd still rather kill the truck than myself if I had to choose.

The engine has an actual cooling system unlike the brakes man. All it does is turn the engine into a big compressor and create some more parasitic drag in order to slow everything down. This doesn't harm the engine or reduce it's lifespan at all. A good driver in a vehicle with exhaust brakes should be using them at the correct speed and getting 90% of his braking from the engine itself. Yes, pads are cheap to replace. But you flat out shouldnt need to use them.

Good bay pal

Excellent idea!

I agree, it would be down to the ram and gmc! Fords trans temps were significantly higher even in the cold weather!

@@paulrivas1024 the Ford is designed to run that warm. Owned every year ford from 15. They all run 190-210.

I can speak for Andrei, THE FORD!!!! xD

Cummins is the most reliable commercially available engine you can buy simply because of quality control and the inline 6 setup is less prone to failure and is easier to work on then a v8. And Aisin is on par with Allison transmissions. Also lower gear ratios allow for bigger more durable gears with less chance of failure.

@mtrujillo1973 dont get me wrong i am a huge Ford fan but i am also a Cummins, Aisin, and Allison fan and i am simply weighing pros and cons.

@@fedoratheexplora7180 IGNORE mtrujillo, he is a moronic, raging childish FORD fanboy. Just scroll up and read his other comments and you will see he isn't worth responding to.

001blackmax ... There isn’t any “mountains” in the east.

@@specforged5651 have you ever been to East Tennessee? Our "Mountains" may not be as large but they are steep as a cats ass and switchbacks for days.

@@001blackmax Steep as a cats ass? Damn that is steep!

Get on the dragon tail

Siff of Neden I would highly doubt they would let him film that.

obvious they are paid to be biased

@@harleyhawk7959 I don't think they are, TBH. But if they were biased it would be toward those powerjokes ;-)

It doesn't drag the brakes.

1 Has Been someone’s mad the Cummins was over a minute slower.

@@ng-dq6pd Nothing to be mad about. While it's a good test, most people arnt ever going to be towing on that kind of a grade for that long so its irrelevant. The fact that you WILL average more mpg with the cummins, its less prone to failure, and cheaper to maintain means I can easily deal with it being mildly slower on the gauntlet lol. Still the better truck / engine combo by far. Hot Shot community is run by Rams for the most part for a reason.

Agreed. Just because you didn't hit the brakes doesn't mean the brakes were not hit. Stupid.

Other trucks had adaptive cruise control so supposedly they were supposed to stop on their on but didnt

Thanks

5 months later recalled for electrical fires 🤣

@@seanbutler2291 2022 Fords 10speeds are found to be garbage. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Ram all the way!!

@@seanbutler2291 2022 Fords 10speeds are found to be garbage. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Ram all the way!!

Matt and they will fail .... all these new trucks Are loaded with with features that are going to need repairs in 4 -5 years

I had air suspension and sold the truck with over 200k miles and only had to replace couplers. The bags will last a very long time if you’re not abusing them. Even if it does go they are not difficult or expensive to replace.

Well, that would be true if it were an actual issue. But it's not. Air suspensions have been around for decades and they have proven to be very reliable. Especially these types on the back of the HD line. Seriously, look for any trends in air suspension issues. The closest you'll come are the full air suspensions on the 1500 series Rams and those are mainly issues with extreme cold weather and mainly from a few years back. The HD systems are rock solid.

@@rsg1963 See they world does have smart people. I like how you schooled them up there

Having owned many different vehicles over 40+ years, those vehicles are absolutely wonderful, until their components begin failing. All mechanical things have a service life. I think everyone gets the point.

Yes, I noticed that too. Oops!

That's no oops that's what they really want to say, u see more Broke down rams then any other names one guy i know got a brand new ram and it broke down about 63,000 miles and now they say it not under warranty anymore smdh

the warranty is 6 year or 60,000 miles of course they'll say its out of warranty, duh

@@hotshottingwithaChevyhd pd diesel power on youtube he has several high mileage cummins hot shot trucks recent couple videos on a truck at 500k miles and talks about the repairs they needeed along the way which was virtually none

@@hotshottingwithaChevyhd I live in colorado and drive up and down a pass everyday and by far the most trucks broken down are fords. I also work on all these trucks and multiple 2014-17 ram 3500's with the 6.7L cummins with 300k-450k miles on them and all they've had done is routine maintenance and like all solid front axle trucks tie rods and ball joints. All the fords unfortunately haven't lasted and one of our biggest clients is an insanely busy tow/repo company. they have about 15 3500's and 3 f350's, and they started out with the same amount.

They clearly said the other two trucks couldn't control the speed under cruise control so they had to manually take over. The ram did it on its own.

Thanks

Miguel Perez The Dodge went up the Gauntlet almost a minute and a half slower than the Ford, thats not very similar performance.

@@john-martin but never had to brake down the hill, thats even more impirtant if you live in a mountain area

john martin better gas mileage and better downhill performance

@@john-martin Dodge got out of the trucks after 2010. Maybe get with the last decade and call it what it is... RAM

Nah ford's suck man. Buy a ford will pay the price lmao. Your ass will be stranded on the side of the road. Is the powerstroke an option in semis? No haha only cummins, they are real diesels

Same

Yea back when Andre was an intern from Russia, he used to jump out and measure the brakes with the infrared gun 😂🤣😂🤣 now andre move up on rank to practically do almost every video

Finally?

The exhaust break and gearing did the job, even though I am a Ford guy that was pretty impressive.

the GMC needed MANUAL break applications. the ram tech did its job

So the ram was applying trailer brakes also to slow it down???

@@kdougk6668 the exhaust break which creates extra torque also helped.

@Xxplicit so application of hydraulic pressure to the vehicles brake system by a computer is fine, I suppose there's no heat build up with that. Check.

3500, f350, f450 are all in the same class. All 14k GVWR. F-350 is actually rated higher than f450 for payload and towing in crew cab configuration due to GCWR limits.

KoolCordell I’ve not looked into any of the details on GVWR thanks for being informative

Do you remember when Ford did had to use their 450's to compete with Ram's 3500's just a few years back? That had to be embarrassing for Ford. They finally stepped up though and same-to-same comparisons are now....actually the same. lol

@@rsg1963 an f-450 is a heavier truck with an heavier driveline , so it put ford at an disavantage compared to a 3500.

@@walterjackson7757 no problem, ya it's kinda cheating because the only thing rated to tow 37,000 pounds is an f-450 XL regular cab 2 wheel drive. but even so Ford cheats even more because they have an increased gcwr exclusive to the regular cab f-450s. (Regular cabs are less than 5% of total sales) the thing is I can't think of anything that's 37k that short enough to where you're going to want to tow it with a regular cab. Truck Length adds stability.

That's a simple fix. It's called tap into the computer make a few changes and done.

GM make junk that wont make it past 100k owned new Silverados since 2012 . Bought 2 new Ram 1500s. Way better value for money and no problems so far. GM are grease balls.

@@gwood701 No Mexicans are grease ball. And you don't have any.

Yeah gm designers are a joke, the exterior and interior are the laughing stock of all 2020 trucks.

Why is gm the laughing stock of trucks they use to be the winner time to get new engineers

Big D Productions - I like your comment. Honest and to the point. The biggest thing is you bought what you need, it does what you expected. At that point it really doesn’t matter what brand you bought, as long as it is reliable enough. I just had a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic and it was a problematic vehicle. I still like Ram, don’t get me wrong, but I sold it and bought a F150 Raptor. The F150s I have had since 2004 have been flawless (I’ve had a few Ranching). The Raptor fits my wants in this case. I had modified the Ram to suit my needs, but it didn’t perform off-road to my needs, that was my fault and not the trucks fault. If I had bought a Rebel, I probably would still have it. You were smarter than I was and you got the truck you needed and wanted the FIRST time!! Hahaha. Stay safe out there, Eh!

@@shitloveaduck those Raptors are bad A$$

Agreed, mine is Rambro!

keep sending your money to Italy

@@jcnun3930 actually spent my money in the USA. At a USA dealer, owned and operated by Americans, and the money ended up a bank here in the USA.

Until the Fiat electrical gremlins rear their ugly heads.

@R AJ Robot? Come on, really? Anyway, the brake application on the downhill is not misleading. They are testing if the truck can hold speed without driver intervention (and it did). How is it misleading?

@@brent4adv I'm thinking maybe they should just change the scoring of the downhill test and not say "zero brake applications" since some of these trucks are applying the brakes on their own. They could just subtract a point each time the truck goes 5 mph over their target speed.

@@mtevilone Good thing its a Ram and not a fiat.

R AJ Fiat/Peugeot?. The have noting I commend. Ford use Peugeot engine. 3.0 power stroke

Pike Man ram won’t aisen will...

The ford 10 speed is the same as GSM 10 speed it was as joint venture

Ford just did a simple update. GM redid the whole truck. It's simply takes too long on the engineering side to bring a new chassis and powertrain the market as quickly as this market moves and still be relevant when it launches. That why GM is the only one without adaptive cruise as an option for 2020. It wasn't ready in time.

Hi have a nice day that was on the half-ton and Mustang/Camaro transmission. The heavy duty transmissions are two separate entities.... otherwise the Torqshift transmission on the Ford would have been Allison branded just like the GM.

Silent but Deadly ram really needs to drop the aisin and move on. Hell if it was possible they should try to get a contract with Allison. Unlikely though ☹️

I agree. They do a great job getting the specs and result across without making it dry and boring.

Thanks

Although I agree most of us never pull 30K, but if they tested at 10-15k all 3 trucks would maintain 60mph with ease and it would only be a MPG comparison. My biggest complaint with these tests is the temperature, always in the winter, I want to see a 30k pull when it's 100F outside. With engine and trans temp data at several points along the way, including at the very end.

@@drdiesel1 This! See what they perform like during the hottest part of the year.

They did with the chevy 6.6 and Ford 7.3

KoolCordell those aren’t the same trucks

KoolCordell I’m not expecting it to struggle at all. I just want to see how they do. Especially if they still rank them the same with less weight

I agree.....Love the Ram air ride....6.7 Powerstroke is a Beast.....GM...better step it up.

Totally agree on all counts. Maybe just a little worried the Powerstroke will not last like a Cummins but otherwise, whoah! Unfortunately GM is most definitely in third place for LD and HD trucks right now. But hey that can change any year they want it to.

@@rsg1963 Yep....The Cummins is a very reliable engine....I own a 6.7 powerstroke....I have 122K on it no issues.....but that could change tomorrow....The biggest problem with all of them is the emissions.

The fuel tank isn't big enough to make it over the gauntlet 🤣

Does the new towing systems actually apply the brakes? My Ram is a 2011 so old school now but all it does in Tow/Haul is change gears and it does have an automatic exhaust brake, which is awesome. But it does not apply the brakes. I don't tow anything near 30,000 lbs, maybe about 15,000, but damn that exhaust brake can practically stop the vehicle even on a steep slope. It sort of cuts out once there isn't enough engine revs but by then it is in first and not going very fast. That is one feature of the exhaust brake is that it is rpm dependent and works much better if the engine is reving high, so it is not consistent. But it sure does work. Almost too well. In my 2011, once you tap the brake it is on and it doesn't turn off until you tap the gas. I don't know what it would do in cruise control as I never hardly use it especially when towing. I just don't find cruise useful because everyone else isn't using it, or if they are they are going slow. Oh and I had an experience once where I hit some ice on a bridge in cruise and that was not pleasant. Thankfully I was able to steer out of it but I was probably 30 degrees to straight when I hit dry pavement again, which caused quite a jolt. So I never use cruise if there is water, snow or ice on the road anymore. All those vehicles you see in the ditch when it's snowing are usually all-wheel drives with traction control. Traction control sure gets you going, but it don't help a lot when you have to turn a corner.

love the exhaust brake in my personal 2011 as well. we have new trucks from all brands in my company fleet so i get to try all the new trucks too. the chevys exhaust brake might as well be fake. Literally does nothing. truck continues to speed up on any type of slope. Rams exhaust brake is by far the best. Don't even have to use my brake pedal til it slows itself down to 20mph.

Michael Oatman I don’t think it actually applies the brakes. It uses the engine for braking (exhaust braking).

@@tivowillieb That would make more sense to me, I don't think I would want cruise control hitting the brakes I can do that myself. I rented a car once with "lane assist" and I hated it. Also it fits better with the video because if the cruise control was using the brakes it should never have gotten up to 40 mph on the decent part of the run.

Yes I do believe it does apply the brakes. Check out the video at the 2:05 mark. He talks about it braking the truck and applying the trailer brakes as well as the brake lights. I'm no Dodge fan but that's pretty damn cool.

Yes@ I would definately get the Ford!