Another benefit of silnylon and silpoly is packability. They pack down much smaller than DCF tents.
@luuk4089 Жыл бұрын
Nylon has a couple of things going for it and it’s not only supply, abrasion resistance is high and it has a better strength to weight ratio than polyester. For a fair comparison those qualities should be mentioned.
@Andy-Mesa Жыл бұрын
At $240 and 28oz the X-Mid 1 is cheaper than the Lunar Solo, almost as light, and a more versatile double wall tent. Yes, it requires two trekking poles but I've actually snapped a pole on a trip once and I was still able to jerry rig it well enough for a good pitch.
@CroakerOutdoors Жыл бұрын
Not to mention it only requires 4 stakes. All of these require 8-10 jeeezus.
@EthanDurant Жыл бұрын
And a reduced footprint
@slaznum1 Жыл бұрын
Super versatile too as you can pitch it as a tarp first in just a few minutes
@alexcote8811 Жыл бұрын
It’s been pretty easy to find a stick to substitute the trekking pole in a pinch if your backpacking in a forested region.
@kylecaviness4067 Жыл бұрын
I have also been able to setup xmid 2 with one pole. Xmid 1 should be even easier. Plus. Normally even a broken pole can be extended partially.
@annikdesfosses Жыл бұрын
Durston X mid Pro 1 and regular X mid: more roomy and only 4 stakes required, so much easier to set up!
@Stephan_Kobalt_Nordstern Жыл бұрын
I get it too and is the best for me
@petercornetet8267 Жыл бұрын
Requires 2 trekking poles tough
@annikdesfosses Жыл бұрын
@@petercornetet8267 the tents presented in the video require one trekking pole, most people who use poles bring two of them and not only one, so it should not be a problem.
@iwasapirateonce1639 Жыл бұрын
Great video Justin and those are three nice tents. Just want to add that the DCF indeed has be best tear strength but actually has worse abrasion and puncture resistance, which can be an issue with heavy hail. The 20d silnylon of the lanshan is actually ~50% stronger than the 20d silpoly of the lunar solo. (when the silnylon gets wet the gap closes slightly)
@smithe68 Жыл бұрын
Love my Lanshan 1 Pro. It’s held up to rain, snow and hail. I’m 6’3” and it has a ton of room, width and head room even on a Nemo Tensor long/wide is really good. I got mine when it first came out and paid like $120 USD for it.
@_68niou1 Жыл бұрын
Great to see you showcase the Lunar Solo. It's probably the best tent I have ever owned. It's super light and roomy enough for me at 6'3". One word about materials. Nylon is actually a bit more durable than polyester, but to my mind it does not outweigh the negatives of absorbing water and stretching.
@tj84994 ай бұрын
Valuable comments not mentioned by other youtubers. Thanks!
@wio2189 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Did you mention the weight of the non Zpacks tents? The general explanation of SilNylon is a bit surface level. It is the most reliable material and the stretch has some benefits in certain tent designs. There is a reason why Mountain Laurel Designs, one of the most experienced and adored UL cottage company uses it for all their shelters. Though there's rumors they'll switch to SilPoly since they found a stronger product.
@MattyOutdoors Жыл бұрын
the extra width is what has me intrigued with the lunar solo. Wanda likes to stretch out, and I want to stay with a single pole tent.
@NorthEast-Keegan Жыл бұрын
I've got the Gossamers Gear 1 and use the Sea to Summit Telos hangout tent poles for bike packing and it all stores down super small and lightweight. It's a pretty penny but I think the extra dollars for quality control seam seal is worth it.
@MyLifeOutdoors Жыл бұрын
WHAT ABOUT THE XMID?!?!?!?
@kylegohawks8604 Жыл бұрын
What about durston x-mid? I believe a fellow Canadian... I'm currently waiting on a x-mid pro 2. For a me n my wife
@hermeticallysealed Жыл бұрын
check your pole position in the lunar solo setup - the setup video on their channel shows the pole is inverted and the bottom is angled slightly out and away from the mesh entrance. the eyelet at the bottom of the tent is just a tieout and it's not for the pole tip. yeah, it's counterintuitive for sure.
@vipvip5356 Жыл бұрын
Finally ! a review with a real great view from the top of the tent looking INTO the inside the tent !!! good work Justin :-) i have the Duplex and the Lanshan pro 2 ... and i am still loving my Lanshan more. i dont like the fact thatthe vestibules doors on the duplex dont have zippers, i have my eye on the Durston now ;-)
@curtelverd4008 Жыл бұрын
How does the xmid pro 1 person tent compare to the Plex Solo? I’m seriously considering one of those two options to lighten my pack weight for my next trip.
@elainewhitmore3383 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE my SMD lunar solo ❤
@dangerpudge1922 Жыл бұрын
One of the problems you're having with setting up the Lunar Solo is that you have the front guy line run incorrectly. That guy line is supposed to run under the vestibule doors, which keeps the proper tension on the entire rest of the tent. Also, all of these tents, but especially the Lunar Solo, rely on setting up the front (door panel) correctly, and to do this, you have to set that trekking pole vertically for-and-aft as well as left-to-right, and the easiest way to do that is to set the front 'triangle' up first instead of how the directions state. Another helpful tip is to use the pole 'right side up' instead of upside down. This will allow the bathtub to be fixed to a point, making setup much easier. You can flip it over later if you want, but there's no need.
@benjaminhymes1219 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Justin great video! Will you review and compare with x mid and ov fortius tent for ultimate showdown
@KR11111 Жыл бұрын
The Clip Flashlight 2 from Sierra Designs is another great option. Even though it's marketed as 2 people, it's like 1 person and a dog. It's not heavy and It won't break the bank either!
@AudiaciousLife3 ай бұрын
you talk about the lanshan 1 pro, what about the non pro? its listed as 15D silicone/PU Nylon?
@brycewalburn3926 Жыл бұрын
I bought the Lunar Solo last year and I'm really liking it so far. Probably my biggest complaint is how high off the ground the door is even when you have it fully extended. I might be alone in this, but I don't want to be able to see out of my tent from my sleeping position.
@nicoleandjoshbaldwin4228 Жыл бұрын
You have to mess with how you stake it out. If you shorten the length of the trek pole and angle it back it will give you more room and more coverage but the floor is not all the way up so if it rains it may get inside if it starts puddling. I’ve never had it in the rain yet so I don’t know.
@CentaurMoe9 ай бұрын
Worth pointing out, here in the UK the Luna solo is cinsiderably cheaper than the x-mid, as the have no outlets here. SMD also seem to have decent coverage in the EU.
@NikhilShahi Жыл бұрын
How did the Durston X-Mid Pro not make this list? It's DCF, way better design than the Zpack.
@JustinOutdoors Жыл бұрын
2 trekking poles
@MoeBergOSS Жыл бұрын
The Tarptent Dipole Li is even better than that. Check it out.
@NikhilShahi Жыл бұрын
@@MoeBergOSS nah. Don't think I like it. The trekking poles block the door and the ceiling has less headroom.
@MoeBergOSS Жыл бұрын
@@NikhilShahi That’s not factual at all. I have the Tarptent. The tent doesn’t block the door and it has far more headroom than the Xmid. Lookup Ryan Jordan’s review on BackpackingLight. He is the owner of BackpackingLight Magazine and is an expert reviewer. He agrees with me.
@thewanderingsoul71 Жыл бұрын
@@markcummings6856 exactly - the walls slant. Not sure what Moe is drinkin'. Guess he mad he spent money on an inferior tent.
@WolfPackM98c Жыл бұрын
Right by my area! I recognize that mountain anywhere!
@jbenn4379 Жыл бұрын
West side of the Superstitions. I’m guessing around Peralta?
@WolfPackM98c Жыл бұрын
@@jbenn4379 Yep. Was just out there the other day
@mitchellbarnow1709 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe how heavy the tents were in the 1970's with all of their poles! Mine were bare aluminum and left my fingers and hands black and smelly.
@koramar6848 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video like this but for free standing tents.
@AJHart-eg1ys Жыл бұрын
I think the features are so varied in those that you'd really have to narrow it down to a certain type, size, etc. There is a lot of value in that category, depending on whether you're splitting the weight with another person, car camping, etc. I know that after going through 3-4 tents in the last decade I've learned that what I need from a tent is definitely different than what I THOUGHT I needed when I lugged a 5# tent up Mount Whitney years ago. :)
@dayanafriedman93825 ай бұрын
Hi Justin, I am wondering if you have tried the Gossamer Gear the one tent. If you have, can you tell us how does it compare to the ones on this video? Thanks and best wishes!
@MrDjoppio Жыл бұрын
I am really interested in tents for high humidity and very intense rain (hundreds of mm daily) such as rainforests. For those situations, I can only rely in my ultra heavy, double wall, 15000mm water column, freestanding tent made of polyester. I believe that some company out there might have decided to take this market with dcf, carbon fiber tents. It could be crazy expensive, but for this kind of tent it might go down from 3.7kg to maybe 1.5kg... anyway, keep up with the vids, great content!
@blackvest Жыл бұрын
The video edits has extremely improved, there's always new addition to it, keep it up!!
@davidberman1310 Жыл бұрын
The new Durston X mid pro 1..
@MoeBergOSS Жыл бұрын
The Tarptent Dipole Li is even better than that.
@kylecaviness4067 Жыл бұрын
Dipole a lot heavier too
@Alexanderws77 Жыл бұрын
Still stoked on my xmid 2p but I’m really thinking about biting the bullet and getting a DCF tent.
@durstongear Жыл бұрын
DCF versions of the X-Mid are out now :)
@Alexanderws77 Жыл бұрын
@@durstongear I’m definitely going to be buying the DCF xmid 2p when I can afford it. Thanks for designing such a dope tent! I have a question for you. I was on your website looking for a footprint and I noticed there are two versions of the xmid 2p in sil poly. What are the differences between the early model and the newest one and how can I tell which one I bought? Is it just the solid inner or are there other differences?
@82ogo Жыл бұрын
Good analysis same shape tents.
@Canadian_Craftsman Жыл бұрын
Kinda wish you threw the MLD Duomid in there as a 2p shelter and similar weight COME ON best out there IMO!!🙃✌️💚✊️🔥
@mactan_sc Жыл бұрын
silpoly lunar solo is fantastic, avoids the water absorption and sag of silnylon
@scottyplug Жыл бұрын
Super informative, as always. Nice job J Money Gangster.
@MoeBergOSS Жыл бұрын
SilPoly material last longer than DCF. The Zpacks tent has the pole right in front of the door. Zpacks door unzips and then gets dirty and stepped on because it goes straight to the ground once unzipped. The Six Moon designs tent has better airflow than the Zpacks.
@nedanother9382 Жыл бұрын
Actually none of this is really true. Lasts longer? huh? Its hilarious how people at least in comments just can't seem to work the door. Every video shows the door falling INTO the tent and not outside - where apparently everyone without this tent seems to set up in the mud for some reason. The pole in front of the door....the half inch pole blocks you from getting through the 48" doorway....do you try to get thru the mesh wall on your solo? Why? because its not a doorway - you go thru the door and not thru the pole. Not too unlike the door jam and door. at home. But above ALL else - it keeps me dry right out of the box. The solo tent keeps you dry only if your a good enough waterproofer to make it keep you dry - otherwise its a very expensive Walmart tent with no protection from rain. It's the price and only the price. It should be stated that way to be fair. As my friend at work says when shes yelled at by the boss...."daddy beats me because he loves me" all kidding rage of course - peace everyone. At least we're not living in Mammouth
@mkultrahikes Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison!
@tomj1404 Жыл бұрын
What about packability? Isn’t DCF a little bulky vs nylon?
@tomsmith5936 Жыл бұрын
Nope, it is very thin and light, it packs/shoves down very easily, more so than silnylon.
@SJSCHOCH Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had heard that too and it would be helpful to get some clarification on that. I packraft a bunch and one of the trade-offs I consider is the packdown size, so much so that I actually throw the body of the tent compression sack. I suppose, one day I might ruin a zipper or something (oooh potential video topic - tossing tents in a compression sack???).
@tomj1404 Жыл бұрын
Ive got the Lunar Solo and it packs down very small. Videos I’ve seen of the plex solo look like they’re shoving a basketball into their pack.
@SJSCHOCH Жыл бұрын
@@tomj1404 Exactly! that is what I am picturing with a dyneema tent. Paging Justin!
@deekelley891 Жыл бұрын
Hope you get well soon.
@giuliofranza292 Жыл бұрын
Hi Justin! very useful video! What do you think about the Gossamer Gear the One (normal or in dcf), apart from requiring 2 trekking poles? it's much cheaper than the Plex solo, but not so heavier thanks in advance!
@nedanother9382 Жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of GG. I have two packs. The design of the One is great, the fabric....eventually everyone regrets it once you get into rain and wind. Buy once cry once - the duplex rains supreme. Crazy easy set up - naturally waterproof zero sag. THIS is the tent we've all been looking for.
@giuliofranza292 Жыл бұрын
@@nedanother9382 thanks!
@maxwellerickson7066 Жыл бұрын
I get so excited for a new Justin video, but Justin... switch back the fonts :)
@jeffreycarman218511 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video
@blevyzgos10 ай бұрын
Looks like Lanshan 1 Pro is a smart choise
@MoosebearAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the vid. 👍
@District.24 Жыл бұрын
@Justin Outdoors Forgive my directness, Justin, but are you sponsored by any of the companies whose products you review and present?
@JustinOutdoors Жыл бұрын
Nope. Never received sponsorship money from a gear company. Only GGG, LMNT, and Nikwax. I always disclose, as per the law, when a video is sponsored.
@ManivanAdventures Жыл бұрын
Man, I want a Zpacks tent so bad, but I’m terrified of spending all that money and ripping it. Lol
@JustinOutdoors Жыл бұрын
I've had two DCF tents so far with lots of nights on them with no durability issues. One really nice thing about DCF is it is super easy to repair.
@ManivanAdventures Жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors Good to know! I do have a small DCF ditty bag and it does seem very durable. Strongly considering it.. lol Thanks for all you do! Love my trek 100 down jackets! 😉
@wolfeadventures Жыл бұрын
Look at getting a used one. I saved $200 buying used. It was practically new.
@ManivanAdventures Жыл бұрын
@@wolfeadventures Good call! I’ll look into that. Thank you! 🤙🏼
@timg7627 Жыл бұрын
Good video. Well done
@Merlmabase Жыл бұрын
So whatever happened to all that REI gear you were gonna review?
@JustinOutdoors Жыл бұрын
I'm testing it
@Kalendale Жыл бұрын
DCF Fabric = Dyneema Composite Fabric-Fabric. Yo dawg. I heard you like fabric. So I frabriced your fabric so you could fabric-fabric.
@holdyngray4917 Жыл бұрын
Love the videos!!
@thewanderingsoul71 Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but these recommendations seem to be as if they were either sponsored or the reviewer doesn't have much experience with different brands. The Durston X-Mid (either Pro or regular) knocks the pants off any of these. The Zpack specifically is egregious with the slanting walls, tent pole in the way of the door and worst of all, the door flap opening down - so the flap now gets dirty each time you open and is especially bad when the ground is muddy and dirty. I am not interesting in babying the flap to ensure it doesn't hit the ground. Really bad design. Zpacks has had its day and is not a good choice anymore.
@freedomwon2004 Жыл бұрын
Ultra light yes. But so is a sheet of plastic from Home Depot. Do these so called tents ⛺️ stop rain?? Your description says "absorbs the least amount" ... failure. Screen for bug protection....nope. Flooring....doesn't seem like it. Use your trekking pole...."I still have one if one breaks". How much extra did you pay for your carbon fiber trekking poles? And one breaks. Not trying to bash your video but sounds like a waste of money to me.
@JustinOutdoors Жыл бұрын
They stop rain. But materials like nylon will absorb some water (tents like the Hubba Hubba and Copper Spur use nylon). All have mesh for bug protection and floors. I usually use $40 trekking poles from Costco. Haven't had one break on me, but you never know.