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@asadullahsaaid37942 жыл бұрын
*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Introduction 0:24 - Background of the Guest 0:56 - Topic of the stream 1:30 - Introduction to the Topic & its History 3:09 - Overview of the Topics to be covered 7:18 - The Non-Crucifixion Verse in the Qur'an 9:55 - Muslim Consensus on the Crucifixion 15:21 - Early Non-Muslim Consensus 19:14 - Exegesis vs Eisegesis 24:26 - Questioning the Consensus 40:04 - Prophet Muhammad's ﷺ interpretation 45:07 - Muslim-Christian Rapprochement 52:05 - Defending the Inerrancy of the Qur'an 59:04 - The Muhammad's ﷺ Authorship Dilemma 1:03:07 - Jesus & Mary in the Talmud 1:08:51 - The Crucifixion in the Talmud 1:10:51 - The Non-Crucifixion Verse & the Tamudic Passage 1:12:22 - Qur'an's Engagement with the Talmud 1:16:08 - The Jews of Arabia outside Islamic Sources 1:19:35 - The Qur'an's "Direct access to History" 1:23:33 - Misusing Quranic verses to Refute the Consensus of the Muslims 1:28:21 - Other Quranic Verses denying the Crucifixion 1:32:46 - Verses 153-154 of Chapter 4: Criticism of the Jews 1:34:05 - Immediate Context of Chapter 4 Verses 155-156 1:37:45 - Quranic Arabic Construct 1:39:53 - Breakdown of the Crucifixion Verse 1:41:00 - Multiple-Negation Statements 1:41:35 - God's Response to the attempt on Jesus's Life 1:42:24 - Conclusion, Summary & Closing Statements SUBHANALLAH ❤️🤍❤️ Brilliant & Insightful Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you both and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
@rafayshakeel48122 жыл бұрын
I've a question, Asadullah! How do you create these timestamps, mate? You're definitely a time saver. Good work, Sir!
@kamlasayeen2 жыл бұрын
@@rafayshakeel4812 you just type the exact time that you want to link to and write the text after it, like if I write 00:00, KZfaq is designed to automatically turn that into a link to that particular time in the video. So simply typing 1:03:07 will turn that into a time stamp once you post the comment
@kamlasayeen2 жыл бұрын
Good work mate! I was working on these here and there throughout the day, but yours are better. How do you get the SAW Arabic? Do you have it saved somewhere?
@asadullahsaaid37942 жыл бұрын
@@kamlasayeen جَزاكَ اللهُ خَـيْراً ☺️😊 Yes I have it saved on my Keyboard
@asadullahsaaid37942 жыл бұрын
@@rafayshakeel4812 Thank you so much for your kind words Brother ❤️ Well the Brother: "Life is Now" has explained the procedure. In terms of the approach; for me It's like listening to a Lecture & taking notes for my reference. 😊 Also since I do the same for many other channels, it has sort of become a habit & hence I'm able to do it rather quickly ☺️ Alhumdulliah
@aliataie1012 жыл бұрын
Masha'Allah. Thank you for this Brother Paul and Dr. Fatoohi.
@michrohm2 жыл бұрын
A little different from your views Dr Ataie?
@louay.fatoohi2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Professor Ataie.
@nobleprince12382 жыл бұрын
@@louay.fatoohi You may have concurred with Paul at 23:10 - 23:53 on his critique of Christians, but Christians follow Christ's example in Luke 4:16-21 and John 5:39. I don't expect you both to accurately represent Christian doctrine, but I just wanted to let you know that there are genuine Christians out there watching you and see through the underhandedness of Muslims/critics of Christianity. My prayer is that the Holy One of Jacob will reveal his truth to you. Peace and love.
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@aliataie1012 жыл бұрын
@@michrohm A little, but I'm open to be persuaded on this issue. I 'm always looking to refine my understanding with good scholarship.
@zainahmed67912 жыл бұрын
Sir you are coming up with so much content I am not able to keep up. Subhanallah. May Allah grant you Jannah al firdaws.
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@sultrys22912 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant lecture. Thank you Dr Louay Fatoohi. Thank you Paul for inviting all these great lecturers.
@afarhoose85122 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul for your excellent work.May Allah bless you.
@Truth Saves You said quote: " that Jannah of beautiful VIRGINS is a myth" Are YOU Joking!!! As A Muslim I thought that the Christians were going to BE those Virgins for the Muslims.
@andrewcohen7862 жыл бұрын
Allhumdullah for Islam and brother Paul who single-handedly is reviving the Muslim love for scholarship.
@sidelladan37922 жыл бұрын
Al hamdellah for giving deviant shia a platform to spread their anti Islamic views even on very clear verses from Allah???? Some people have no shame or fear from their creator!
@andrewcohen7862 жыл бұрын
@@sidelladan3792 do you have any clue what you are talking about? When was the last time you took the initiative to interview any Muslim and gain their perspective ? You are the real fitnah talking without any proof. Brother Paul has interviewed many Sunni scholars as well and non Muslims. Do you even possess the knowledge to enhance in any discussion ?
@aliyakhan69482 жыл бұрын
Paul, thank you for this clarifying lecture. I had recently heard a Muslim scholar discuss the ambiguity regarding the crucifixion of Jesus (pbuh), and was really disturbed by this novel interpretation. So I appreciate Dr. Fatoohi's careful analysis of the Quranic verse(s) surrounding this event and his thoughtful arguments supporting the traditional Islamic interpretation.
@shairsko93602 жыл бұрын
Aliya are you referring to the scholar from the channel marvelous Quran? If so I find his approach really something out of conformity and am unsure if it is authentic!
@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
Dr. Fatoohi presentation was very biased and one sided
@marcorolo47262 жыл бұрын
@@dhulqarnayn127 it is also correct.
@shairsko9360 Жыл бұрын
@@samuraibirds917 I found watching it very uncomfortable tbh’ after which I decided to stop following him and do some more research on him ! Has he been exposed ? Links please Aakhee
@samuraibirds917 Жыл бұрын
@@shairsko9360 Check Farid Responds akhi. No one should follow that man. Such men are a great danger to those who can't speak Arabic.
@Zarghaam122 жыл бұрын
Really good interview! Dr. Fatoohi's knowledge is broad (science, theology, linguistics) and very impressive. He has raised many points that many do not discuss and probably haven't even thought of. So, thanks for this highly informative episode in our journey in theology!
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
I'm a Christian believer and I wish my knowledge was as broad as his !!
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@TheWatchmanWebsite Wow.... thanks for your comments. I'm still reading what you said. I need to read slowly to absorb what you said and I hope others will read what you say. I can't refute much from Islam because I've never read the Quran. I do try to understand Islamic worldviews regarding Jesus and "good deeds." I myself don't "hate" the cross but I have difficulty understanding why such a horrible death ( in various ways) had to accepted by Jesus in order to bear our sins. I wonder what it means that the "cross" is the "power of God"? I do believe that Jesus took our curse ( of sin, etc) upon Himself. And I do understand the view of Muslims when they reject Jesus' crucifixion. Anyhow... thanks for your time and effort. God bless and peace
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@TheWatchmanWebsite Yes... I'm a simple Christian believer but I don't study the Bible as I should. So keep me in prayer so I can have more discipline. And I pray that God continue to touch your life and protect you.
@ericjohnson66652 жыл бұрын
The early Christians certainly made a mistake making the crusafixtion a central part of their ideology. It turned the religion of Jesus into a religion about Jesus.
@apologiaromana4123 Жыл бұрын
Jesus did that Himself buddy boy.
@P1000H Жыл бұрын
Of course they were wrong, whoever died in his place was so similar, so similar, so similar that not even his mother (Maria) noticed the difference. Someone had to come after 600 years to say that everyone who witnessed the event was deceived, after all it was not Jesus Christ on the cross, in reality it was someone else who switched places with Jesus. Only someone very limited in intelligence does not recognize that Christians are mistaken.
@MuhammadAbdillah111 Жыл бұрын
@@P1000H IT APPEAR TO THEM SO.. nothing mention in quran about someone replacing jesus in that verse..it was misunderstood by some people.. But I've heard that in the gospel of Barnabas, there is a story about that..Judah replacing jesus..
@Yahman19694 ай бұрын
God deceived them
@robertpundsack13633 ай бұрын
You are wrong. You must be a Muslim you can't grasp our God's truth. You mis interpreted scripture. We do not.,, Not ,, center our faith around the crucifixion . We celebrate the resurrection. Salvation in our savior Jesus. You are wrong. I get you don't hear my God's truth. If Jesus never rose , there'd be no Christian faith. We are Christian because Jesus rose .. Acended into Heaven. .
@goldentrout48112 жыл бұрын
This was very educational especially nearing the final parts of the video. To understand the language with how the Quran structures itself really opens up a new level of knowledge on the subject. Thanks Paul and Dr Louay Fatoohi.
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@seeking4truth2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the Quran is clear "it appears to the people followers of prophet Jesus (pbuh) that he was killed or the jews trying to kill him appeared to them he was killed" what really happened Allah knows and He said that prophet Jesus was not crucified and not killed, but Allah elevated him to the heavens. History will only report what appear to people.
@sidelladan37922 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why Paul is helping these deviants spread these anti Quran ideas?? Like u said the verse is clear and Muhammad pbuh and the companies never debated its meaning !
@seeking4truth2 жыл бұрын
@@sidelladan3792 I think you misunderstood what the presenter was doing. He was defending the position of the interpretation I said. Some academics are stating that what is said in the Quran about Jesus death is not clear and they want to shift the interpretation.
@lagunadmv2 жыл бұрын
What a marvelous presentation, so easy to follow and I love the conclusion slide.
@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
Most biased and one sided presentation
@lagunadmv2 жыл бұрын
@@dhulqarnayn127 that means you didn't watch it
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@dhulqarnayn127 Where do you see it as "biased"? I'm not trying to insult but just curious because I'm a Christian believer.
@marcorolo47262 жыл бұрын
@@dhulqarnayn127 Are you ok? It’s the correct view. The opposite view is absurd and illogical
@eyelessjack_2 жыл бұрын
Been looking forward to this!
@ftst47562 жыл бұрын
I was hoping brother Paul could have a discussion with Proffessor Joseph Lumbard . Who is an associate proffessor of quranic studies, author and translator of many books.
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
One day inshallah.
@walid15442 жыл бұрын
@@BloggingTheology Brother Paul, Dr Louay Fatoohi didn't correctly present view of other side he skipped verse 3:55 which quran cross references in 4:157-158. And 5:110 mentions life of Jesus in chronological order so this verse isn't talking about crucifixion because after it Quran mentions several other incidents which happened in life of Jesus.
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@walid1544 I'm not Muslim so I don't understand what you are saying? Can you explain better to me? Peace to you always...
@minalsalam24262 жыл бұрын
As'salam Alaikum , Thank you Paul and Louay Fatoohi , very thorough and enlightening ! @ Blogging Theology , you never miss .
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
Wa alaykumu s-salam
@saqibsaleel91962 жыл бұрын
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah brother Paul. Always interesting and informative.
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
Wa alaykumu s-salam
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@sabaffira2 жыл бұрын
I have been longing to hear this topic. Always thought it was a matter of interpretation. Thanks for bringing light to this matter.
@TheMiddleWayDeen2 жыл бұрын
Thrilled to see Dr. Fatoohi appearing in BT. Good job br. Paul!
@rabuanmantine85222 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe we have access to all these great scholars. TQ Paul 🤚✋
@khalidiqbal63212 жыл бұрын
Jazak'Allah, great presentation. May Allah reward the presenters and increase our faith.
@aminator12 жыл бұрын
This channel is one of the best - please keep it up brother Paul!
@younessb.48602 жыл бұрын
Brilliant exchange! Thanks To you Paul and your valuable guest 👍
@abuakmal96182 жыл бұрын
Masya Allah another Dhuha tazkirah for me. Its 9.35am here in Malaysia.
@Ismailmsheikh2 жыл бұрын
It's free academic class on historicity and substance of the verse. Breath-taking!
@Hacker-fh1ft2 жыл бұрын
ALLAH BLESS TO PERSON READING THIS ALLAH IS GOING TO BLESS YOUR LIFE TODAY JUST TRUST IN HIM AMEN ALLAH BLESS YOU ALL HOPE YOU THE BEST IN LIFE ❤
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
As a Christian believer, I also need to trust in God.
@Hacker-fh1ft2 жыл бұрын
ALSO AS A ISLAM BELIEVER I ALSO NEED TO TRUST IN ALLAH ALMIGHTY TO ALSO HAVE TO TRUST IN HIM THAT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT
@hadukenuphigh22842 жыл бұрын
Wow i love it!!!! May Allah bless you Brother Paul for the Readings that you are giving us.... Amazing.... 👍🏼 👍🏼 👍🏼 👍🏼 Alhamdullilah
@mounayaa1082 Жыл бұрын
Thx for this video very interesting and informative! I believe Didat in one of his videos adressed the crucification by explaining from the injil how there is no proof of it in the injil itself so it was based on "sayings"
@amirmohammed65952 жыл бұрын
MashaAllah MashaAllah MashaAllah, so interesting, so much informative. May Allah reward you both for your efforts!
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@coastline19752 жыл бұрын
Looking at the title of the video and initial conversation, I was a bit confused, I thought we are going to have a new narrative on the crucifixion. However, at the end it came clear. Thank you paul for arranging such show to educatie us time to time.
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
This was most biased and one sided presentation ever
@azkhan55132 жыл бұрын
Lot more to learn Alhamdulillah ... Thank you Bro Paul🤲🏾🙏🏽
@MJB01102 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing gentlemen. So content rich, I’m going to have to listen to this presentation/discussion a few more times!
@louay.fatoohi2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@louay.fatoohi I might have to listen to this the rest of my life!! And I'm a Christian believer.
@louay.fatoohi2 жыл бұрын
@@johnbrzykcy3076 I will take this as a compliment 🙂
@markward39812 жыл бұрын
السلام عليكم ورحمه الله جزاك الله خيرا Great analysis with strong/convincing references and citations. May Allah protect our Iman. الحمدلله
@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
This was most biased and one sided presentation ever
@markward3981 Жыл бұрын
@@dhulqarnayn127 How , explain please?
@squadaimat29232 жыл бұрын
the Quran very explicit was not crucified., nor was killed in any way, but appears to them so. the Quran does not say who was crucified, the important thing he was not, anything beyond that is just speculation.
@ahmedalotaibi44772 жыл бұрын
Paul hides any reply disagree with his guest
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
I understand what you say but to me the statement from the Quran that Jesus was "not crucified" is just speculation to me. I respect Islamic believers so no insult intended.
@muadhibrahim69142 жыл бұрын
@@johnbrzykcy3076 No one is fooling no one. It's your choice.
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@muadhibrahim6914 I hope we can ask God for guidance. I think Satan has tried to trick or deceive mankind since the creation of Adam and Eve. I hope I can learn to listen to those scholars who are honest in their interpretations. Peace to you
@muadhibrahim69142 жыл бұрын
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Peace. May we be guided to the right Path. Wish you well in your endeavour.
@fy32192 жыл бұрын
The verse is very clear … “And for their saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him.” [ وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا ٱلْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّۢ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِۦ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا ٱتِّبَاعَ ٱلظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًۢا ]
@abdulhalim98002 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!
@MnM_CuteCatClips2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@moosa862 жыл бұрын
@Sultan Please factor in Q3:7 when you read Q4:157 Q3:7 “ He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise-they are the foundation of the Book-while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations-but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺-it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason.” According to my belief and studies Christ was on a cross and the true meaning of Q4:157 is speaking figuratively and the exact meanings of Christ being “killed” and “crucified” needs to be examined with Biblical verses to best understand what Allah is communicating to us through Q4:157. Consider the following Biblical verses: John 10:17-18 “ Because of this the Father loves me, because I lay down my life so that I may take possession of it again. [18] NO ONE TAKES IT FROM ME, BUT I LAY IT DOWN VOLUNTARILY. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take possession of it again. This commandment I received from my Father.” Deuteronomy 21:22-23 “ [22] And if a man commits a sin punishable by death, and so he is put to death and you hang him on a tree, [23] his dead body shall not hang on the tree, but certainly you shall bury him on that day, for cursed by God is one that is being hung; so you shall not defile your land that Yahweh your God is giving to you as an inheritance.” The verses in John 10 that I provided shows that Christ knowingly and willingly became a shaheed (martyr) for the sake of Allah and his unjust persecution, passion, and manner of execution was part of God’s test for him. By undergoing all of that pain and anguish he left the world an example to follow regarding those Believers who are tried mightily in this life. They shouldn’t lose hope in Allah but instead should remain with good akhlaq and trust that ultimately Allah “is the best disposer of affairs.” This is why Allah resurrected Christ w/in 3 days time (in order to give the people a physical representation of the resurrection that awaits all of us before Yom al Qiyama). Also the verse in Deuteronomy 21 explains why the Jewish authorities who sought to persecute Christ chose to punish him in such a manner (crucifixion). According to their scriptures this was a manner of death that cursed those who were killed by it (crucifixion). For this reason Allah tells us in Q4:157 that they (Jews) did not kill him (he willingly became shaheed as a part of his prophethood) nor crucify (curse him by God) him instead it was made to appear so (because of their hard hearts and lack spiritual insight). Allah knows best 🙏
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@moosa86 Wow.... excellent comments. I'm still reading over what you said. I'm not Muslim so I appreciate your explanations and hope your views help me. Again... I like the scholarly way you shared your comments. Peace
@ghofranesalhi73862 жыл бұрын
@@moosa86 May i ask if this is a scholarly position or your own speculations. As i'm well versed in the arabic language and i have never read such opinion in any commentary(tafseer) of the holy quran! Another thing that bothers me in your comment is that as a muslim (i'm going to assume you are) you are willing to refer to former scripture that quran tell us is corrupted as if it holds the truth. The quran IS the Criterion. It tells us the truth that was contained in former scriptures but was corrupted by the hand of men. So you should judge all other texts based on what you find in the quran not the other way around. Salam.
@HeyYaBasil2 жыл бұрын
Paul, this was another fantastic interview. May Allah s.w.t reward you for all the tremendous effort you put into this channel. I look forward to these videos as others look forward to the airing of their their favorite TV show! Keep up the great work!
@preegear89702 жыл бұрын
It's so clear إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَىٰ إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ۖ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ - 3:55 [Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَأُعَذِّبُهُمْ عَذَابًا شَدِيدًا فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَمَا لَهُم مِّن نَّاصِرِينَ - 3:56 And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." ذَٰلِكَ نَتْلُوهُ عَلَيْكَ مِنَ الْآيَاتِ وَالذِّكْرِ الْحَكِيمِ - 3:58 This is what We recite to you, [O Muhammad], of [Our] verses and the precise [and wise] message. إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَىٰ عِندَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ ۖ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ - 3:59 Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُن مِّنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ - 3:60 The truth is from your Lord, so do not be among the doubters. فَمَنْ حَاجَّكَ فِيهِ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ فَقُلْ تَعَالَوْا نَدْعُ أَبْنَاءَنَا وَأَبْنَاءَكُمْ وَنِسَاءَنَا وَنِسَاءَكُمْ وَأَنفُسَنَا وَأَنفُسَكُمْ ثُمَّ نَبْتَهِلْ فَنَجْعَل لَّعْنَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَى الْكَاذِبِينَ - 3:61 Then whoever argues with you about it after [this] knowledge has come to you - say, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]." قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْا إِلَىٰ كَلِمَةٍ سَوَاءٍ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلَّا نَعْبُدَ إِلَّا اللَّهَ وَلَا نُشْرِكَ بِهِ شَيْئًا وَلَا يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضًا أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللَّهِ ۚ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَقُولُوا اشْهَدُوا بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ - 3:64 Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah ." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]." يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لِمَ تُحَاجُّونَ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَمَا أُنزِلَتِ التَّوْرَاةُ وَالْإِنجِيلُ إِلَّا مِن بَعْدِهِ ۚ أَفَلَا تَعْقِلُونَ - 3:65 O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason? هَا أَنتُمْ هَٰؤُلَاءِ حَاجَجْتُمْ فِيمَا لَكُم بِهِ عِلْمٌ فَلِمَ تُحَاجُّونَ فِيمَا لَيْسَ لَكُم بِهِ عِلْمٌ ۚ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ - 3:66 Here you are - those who have argued about that of which you have [some] knowledge, but why do you argue about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows, while you know not. مَا كَانَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ يَهُودِيًّا وَلَا نَصْرَانِيًّا وَلَٰكِن كَانَ حَنِيفًا مُّسْلِمًا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ - 3:67 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.
@loveShaam2 жыл бұрын
Assalamualaikum brother Paul Once again a Fascinating discussion, May allah (swt) reward you for your efforts Your brother Hasan
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
Wa alaykumu s-salam Hasan.
@Logia19782 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Thank you dr LOUAY FATOOHI and thank you Paul.
@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
This was most biased and one sided presentation ever
@Logia19782 жыл бұрын
@@dhulqarnayn127 That was not biased.. he presented all the objections and arguments from islamic perspective to the islamic traditional understanding of the verse which says Jesus was neither killed or crucified....
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@Logia1978 I have to listen to it again but as you said, I don't see this presentation as being "biased" and I'm a Christian believer.
@racfat12 жыл бұрын
amazing, thank you Paul and Louay
@sabihadoolarkhan91522 жыл бұрын
Doctor Fatoohi is such an engaging personality, a rare quality in this age . He Epitomizes the Quraanic injunction of wining them over with beautiful speech, Alhamdh.
@mohamednmv75392 жыл бұрын
it's super very well explained there is great skill in this work, thank to both of you
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@S40WBS2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding presentation. Thank you for the effort
@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
This was most biased and one sided presentation ever
@ibrahimzulfiquar6682 жыл бұрын
JazakAllah Khair very beneficial discussion ❤️
@haideral-allak19082 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr Louay Fatoohi ... I have learnt so much from you ... your analysis is most clear, scholarly, academic and enlightening .... thank you again ... may Allah gives you and gives Dr Paul William (the presenter) all the best of health and guide you both (and myself) to the truth ....
@louay.fatoohi2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words.
@YaqoubK2 жыл бұрын
Assalamu’alaikoum wr wb. Your channel is truly an amazing source of knowledge.. I also like the quality of the comments. Some topics are highly debatable but the way you present them leads to very intresting discussions. jazakAllah khairan.
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
Wa alaykumu s-salam
@nobleprince12382 жыл бұрын
@@BloggingTheology At 23:10 - 23:53 your critique of Christians reveals your bias against Christian doctrine. Christians follow Christ's example in Luke 4:16-21 and John 5:39. I don't expect you to accurately represent Christian doctrine, but I just wanted to let you know that there are Christians out there watching you and can see through the underhandedness of Muslims/critics of Christianity. My prayer is that the Mighty One of Jacob will reveal his truth to you. Peace and love.
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@YaqoubK2 жыл бұрын
@@nobleprince1238 Is this adressed towards me or Blogging theology? Im a little confused you reply this on my comment. Anyway if it was adressed to me then pls explain where i had critque against christians. In case you feel there are critical statements, then it would be a lot better to proove these critiques are justified or not. I didnt see any statement that wasnt disrespectfull from this chamnel towards anyone. In case you noticed, there were some statements that might seem critical to some muslims views. Personally i think being critical is essential for a good dialog and research. My appologies if my english isnt flawless since its not my native language. Anyway may peace be upon you.
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@YaqoubK Your English is actually very good and I only know English. I dislike debates but I do like to listen and learn and understand other interpretations, even if they come from other religions. I'm a Christian believer but God guides anyone who has an open and sincere heart and I hope this channel is helping me to become more sincere. Head knowledge is one thing but I think God also wants to fill our hearts with love and respect. I appreciate your comments, even though they were not for me. Peace
@amiaquehaque2 жыл бұрын
I applaud you Sir, among all your posts which triggering atheists at all level, you still dedicate your time for these interviews.
@fanenthusiast38022 жыл бұрын
I knew this all along. Thank you for confirming my notions through scripture.
@smh71922 жыл бұрын
Your channel has become a forum for comparative religion. Onward and upward!
@twinsaturn2 жыл бұрын
Salam brother Paul, may Allah protect u and ur family.
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
Wa alaykumu s-salam
@abdar-rahman69652 жыл бұрын
*A Subtle Point which Muslim Imams and Church failed to grasp from centuries:* *A Man is nailed on Cross, and he died on the Cross = This is Crucifixion.* *_A Man is nailed on the Cross but was removed from the Cross before his death = Then he is NOT CRUCIFIEED. That what, Noble Quran tells in 4:157_*
@khalidiqbal63212 жыл бұрын
This is what Qadiyanis claim and is equally non sensical.
@twitjunkie60072 жыл бұрын
Great discussion. Really impressed by the presentation of the guest speaker
@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
This was most biased and one sided presentation ever
@EmeraldDiamond32 жыл бұрын
I am still inclined to believe the substation theory. Reasons being..... 1. Several aHadith about the return of Isa (as) at the end of times and leading the Muslims. It would be a new and unprecedented situation to have someone come back from the dead to lead the people. Possible I suppose. But not inclined to believe it. 2. To me the main word in the 4-157 is the word ‘them’. Made to appear to ‘them’. Who is them? It seems ‘them’ should be referring to the jews who were trying to kill Isa (as). That doesn’t mean the rest of the people living in the time were tricked. They could have been fully aware that Isa (as) was not killed. We just don’t know. The historical accuracy of the time period is not strong. By our own Hadith standards all their history would be considered weak ahadith at best. 3. Allah reemphasizes that ‘they killed him not’. Saying it twice. And also says those who differ are following conjecture and are full of doubts. The main argument and discussion on the matter has been was Isa (as) killed or not. Not who did it. For Allah to emphasize that he was not killed seems to lend to the idea that he isn’t dead. Not that the jews didn’t kill him. What does following conjecture and being full of doubts have to do with who killed him ? That isn’t something people have been arguing about and discussing for years. Now, whether he is dead or not? Yes. That is the main discussion. And discussed often. I find it less likely Allah reiterates ‘for a surety they killed him not’ to refer to the lesser point of contention. The supposed scholars claiming Esa عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ was crucified are being purposely ignorant and borderline blasphemous. Probably more than borderline.
@EmeraldDiamond32 жыл бұрын
@@johnbrzykcy3076 If you love Jesus you should research the Islamic view of him. And Mary. He is considered one of the five greatest men to ever exist. He will come back to bring peace and justice to the world towards the end of time. His mother Mary has an entire chapter of the Quran named after her. And she is considered thee greatest woman to ever exist. Peace to you
@marcorolo47262 жыл бұрын
Exactly correct
@nusyirwanhamzah2 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Thank you, Paul.
@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
This was most biased and one sided presentation ever
@nusyirwanhamzah2 жыл бұрын
@@dhulqarnayn127 how so?
@engineerauwalauwal3552 жыл бұрын
Masha Allah thank you all for doing good job
@ae27382 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this very informative lecture. Great work well done ! جزاك الله خيرا وجعلها في ميزان حسناتكم
@XaeeD2 жыл бұрын
Q 2:154 And say not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah, "They are dead." Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not. Q 3:144 And Muhammad is merely a messenger. Indeed, messengers from before him passed away. So if he died or is slain, will you then turn back on your heels? ... So Dr. Fatoohi is absolutely right in that the Qur'an distinguishes between passing away by natural causes, and being killed or murdered. I want to take this opportunity to draw attention to something interesting related to this topic, but I believe not many Muslims are aware of. Q 19:2-7 A mention of the Mercy of your Lord to His slave Zakariya. When he called to his Lord; a secret call. He said: "My Lord! Indeed, my bones have weakened, and my head flared white, and I have not been unblessed in my supplication to You, my Lord. And indeed, I fear for the successors after me, and my wife is barren. So give to me from Yourself an heir. Who will inherit from me and will inherit from the Family of Yacub. And make him pleasing, my Lord." "O Zakariya! Indeed, We give you glad tidings of a boy, his name is to be Yahya; We have not assigned this name prior to this." Q 19:12-15 "O Yahya! Hold the Book with strength." And We gave him the wisdom when he was a child. And affection from Us, and purity, and he was righteous. And dutiful to his parents, and he was not a rebellious tyrant. And peace upon him the day he was born, and the day he dies, and the Day he will be raised alive! So, did you catch that? Yahya's case is the same as Eesa's. Allah says "..the day Yahya dies", and He does not say "..the day he was killed by Herod Antipas". Yahya(as) wasn't executed. The Christian sources claim that John the Baptist was beheaded by some idiot ruler, at the behest of princess Herodias. Antipas motives in this are immoral and perverse. John's head is then presented on a golden platter during a feast. The Qur'an clearly contradicts this narrative by stating that Yahya(as) wasn't executed, i.e. he wasn't killed, murdered, slain or martyred. Look at Zakariya's supplication to Allah. Zakariya(as) says he fears for his successors after him. He doesn't have a son, so he's asking Allah for a son to succeed him, so that the bloodline of Yacub continues. Allah grants him(as) his request. Yahya(as) will inherit from the Family of Yacub, but what does all of that matter if Yahya(as) is executed? The line will be cut off anyway. There's more to it than that. Look at how Allah describes Yahya(as) from verse 12 to 15. Pay attention to the form of the verbs. Every line is in the past tense. These verses is Allah SWT informing Muhammad(saw), and us, indirectly, of past events. Why then the sudden shift in verse 15? "Peace was on Yahya the day he was born" is the last verse that refers to these events in the past. "The day he dies and the Day he will be raised alive" are both future tense. This isn't in the past anymore, it's in Muhammad's future(saw) now. Meaning that Yahya(as), like Eesa(as) hasn't died yet. He certainly wasn't executed, that's for sure. Now I know this might sound controversial, but think about it.. What's so special about a name that Allah has pre-ordained the boy's name, and specifically mentions that there's something unique about his name? Names have meaning. It's not so much that the unique thing about it is that nobody before was named Yahya, but it's something about what his name means that is unique. Allah's names are also His attributes, right? So what meaning does the name Yahya have? In the meaning of the name, there's a clue. There's something about his name that implies a prolonged life. When was Yahya(as) ever accused of being a tyrant? Any historical sources for that? No. None. Then why is Allah clearing him(as) of such an accusation? Isn't it true that during the Isra wa Miraaj, Muhammad(saw) was transported to the higher heavens, and in each heaven, he(saw) met with a prophet? Except when he(saw) visited the second heaven; there were two whom he(saw) saw there: Eesa(as) and Yahya(as). And Eesa(as), we know, was alive, as Allah informs us that he(as) was not killed by his enemies, but that Allah, instead, raised him(as) towards Himself. Now, Allah is not in a place, so this expression is like referring to the Kaaba as "the House of Allah", while Allah does not dwell in a house. Rather, Allah's name is linked to the Kaaba because of the House's high status. Likewise, the second heaven is referred to as a place of importance. And the fact that Eesa(as) can be alive and well in the second heaven is further evidenced by the fact that Muhammad(saw) was alive and well when he(saw) visited that realm. In other words; death is not a requirement to exist in that place. And Allah provides for Eesa(as) in everything he(as) needs. Eesa(as) will eventually return, and when he(as) does, Islam will be the only Deen that is going to be accepted from the people of the whole world. All other ideologies and beliefs will be rejected with a complete rejection. Could it be then, in light of the aforementioned, that "rebellious tyrant" is a reference to a description that the people in the future will accuse Yahya(as) of? There are striking parallels between Eesa(as) in the Qur'an, and Yahya(as). There is no mentioning however of Yahya(as) returning along with Eesa(as) in the literature, for as far as I know, but I think all of this is food for thought, and there's more that can be said about this, but this suffices. And Allah, Blessed and Exalted is He, knows best.
@hasibkhan45012 жыл бұрын
Thank you Paul for this wonderful presentation. Rationality and basic common sense are so prevalent in Dr Fatoui’s presentation that they cannot be ignored. Al Hamdu lilah… May Allahu swt bless Dr Farouk for such a simple yet most reassuring presentation on this topic. I look forward to many more like this. Thank you Paul. May the blessings of Allahu swt be with you always.
@sidelladan37922 жыл бұрын
Bless him for spreading anti Islamic shia views when the Quran is very clear on the subject ? Allah will curse him indeed. Muhammad pbuh and the companies were never divided on this subject!
@mistyabdul59482 жыл бұрын
Wow. Allahu Akbar!! May Allah SWT bless you both.
@asoulindunya2 жыл бұрын
Alhamdulillah for your guys knowledge ✨️ hope more people will watch this video 📹
@iamdieddead95972 жыл бұрын
Brother paul you doing amazing work
@VandalIO2 жыл бұрын
34:12 Paul let me answer your question … “why this niche Ismaili sect comes up with alternative meanings for everything “ *answer is they believe in batni interpretation (esoteric) interpretation of quranic verses, which to me is problematic*
@yojan92382 жыл бұрын
Yup, need to ask more of it from the Aga Khan Ismaili. Or the Dawoodi Bohra Ismaili... They're still around...
@VandalIO2 жыл бұрын
@@yojan9238 I don’t need to ask them ….there corruption of text doesn’t matter
@suptelecomgroup60432 жыл бұрын
Dear Paul thank you very much for your work. According to the Bible, Deuteronome 21:22-23, we read : "If a man does a crime for which the punishment is death, and he is put to death by hanging him on a tree; Do not let his body be on the tree all night, but put it to rest in the earth the same day; for the man who undergoes hanging is cursed by God; so do not make unclean the land which the Lord your God is giving you for your heritage." I think God saved Jesus (pbuh) from this curse. Because it is a law of God. And in the Qur'an, Allah also asked to crucify a person who commits disorder against God (Sura 5:33). Since the Jews were applying the law of the Torah on an innocent person (Jesus -pbuh-), Allah therefore saved Jesus(pbuh) from this crucifixion because he did not deserve this. For the Jews, Jesus was preaching other words other than those which were in the Torah, - i.e., those that Moses and the prophets who came after him left -, so it was normal for them to think of crucifying him in order to respect the commandment of God. Except that they are the ones who did not understand the language of Jesus, because they had a hard heart. Allah made their hearts hard and they did not understand anything. As far as I'm concerned, I think it's not so good for Muslims to argue about the crucifixion of Jesus. Since Allah has made it clear in the Qur'an that anyone who has argued about it (about the crucifixion) is in error (sourah 4:157). Allah is the only one who knows what really happened. All I know is that Jesus is not dead yet and will die when Allah brings him back to Earth. Allah made it clear that all the people of the book (especially Jews and Christians) will believe in him before his death (4:159). Many people say that Jesus died. They are in error and they have denied the clear proofs that Allah has given us in the Qur'an. Jesus never tasted death. May Allah reward you and all those who seek the truth.
@suptelecomgroup60432 жыл бұрын
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 that is according to you and according to the philosophy of Augustine Hippone, the inventor of original sin. Think a little: What does it cost God who created us to wash away our sins without having made a sacrifice? Is He a powerless God? But no ! Use your head and read the Bible. Nowhere will you find that it takes a sacrifice to atone for sins. Ezekiel 18 states that no one will bear another's sin. The father will not bear the sins of his son and neither will the son. Original sin is a 4th and 5th century philosophy. Try to document yourself.
@suptelecomgroup60432 жыл бұрын
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Please read the Bible. Jesus sent by God to Israelite people. He was not a messenger for the rest of people. And Jesus himself confirm it in the Gospel at several places. He was sent in order to call the Israelite people who doesn't apply the Thora (Law, commandments in the book of Moses), to became a good believers.
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 I agree with your theological views. Thanks
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@suptelecomgroup6043 I also have big problems with the concept of "original sin" but I do think that for some reason, mankind was "fallen" and can never be perfect in God's eyes without spiritual help. That was why Jesus, the beloved, came to earth. To teach us and help us so we can accept His love for us. No insults or disrespect intended to you or Islamic believers
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 I like where you said "Salvation went out to the gentile nations who are now grafted into the Israel of God." Do you think people of any religion ( or no religion) can be grafted into the Israel of God? I appreciate your thoughtful comments. God bless
@bayreuth792 жыл бұрын
The problem of course is that the crucifixion of Jesus is the most certain thing we know about him even according to the most sceptical NT scholars and historians.
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
The Quran's claim is unfalsifiable. Historians only deal in *probabilities*, not certain knowledge of events thousands of years ago. You should know that Michael.
@bayreuth792 жыл бұрын
@@BloggingTheology This rather misses the point. Let us say that the Qur'an's claim is 'logically possible', it still remains the case that the best historical evidence is that Jesus was crucified. It is completely inexplicable that the early Christians would claim that Jesus was crucified, if he wasn't, given that the expected Messiah was supposed to be victorious over his enemies, not defeated by them. So, I think it is a choice between reason and blind faith at this point! Bart D Ehrmann, Gerd Ludemann, etc., all agree that from a historical point of view its practically certain that Jesus was crucified, which is why Abdal Hakim Murad has argued that the text _only_ denies that he was killed by the Jews. Moreover, that text from the Qur'an reflects almost word for word Pre-Islaimic Sethian Gnosticism, which was present in Arabia.
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@BloggingTheology I agree with you that historians deal in "probabilities". Regarding the Quran, I can neither refute or accept what it seems to say about the crucifixion of Jesus because I can't understand what the major verse about Jesus' crucifixion in the Quran is saying. Maybe I need to talk to a Muslim scholar to find out? Anyhow... why should I place so much trust in one verse in the Quran when the New Testament has multiple verses which talk about Jesus' death and crucifixion? No disrespect intended toward you. Peace
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@bayreuth79 I appreciate your scholarly comments and I wish I could state the Christian beliefs as good as you do. I have never heard of the "Pre-Islamic Sethian Gnosticism" so I have to read about it. Is there any book on that subject that you recommend? Peace
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Where does the Quran say that Allah said "blessed is the day that he (Jesus ) was born, dies and raised"? I've never read the Quran so I'm curious. Peace
@ahmed3423410 ай бұрын
Thanks for discussion. I have a question from 4:157 quoted: _and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so._ I do not understand why Jews did not like Jesus if they believed "... Messiah, ..., the messenger of Allah. "
@finnjabi2 жыл бұрын
Cute how it looks like theyre in the same room
@mutamirmukhzani12402 жыл бұрын
Yeah they flock together them great birdies🦉
@brazzaferochannel68022 жыл бұрын
One of the sharp differences between the Qur'an and the Bible version is that the Qur'an elevates the prophets to their rightful places which were previously sometimes put out of place according to various versions of the Bible story and the Qur'an also provides the fact that the prophets protected their life from injustice. 🙏
@rahatmasud43132 жыл бұрын
What a riveting argument - thank you Dr Fatoohi and Thankyou Paul - you are so good at conducting these talks - May Allah Bless you both
@azch64242 жыл бұрын
Assalam Alaykum and thank you both Paul and Dr Louay. Very thorough and concrete in conclusion. At first I felt a bit disorientated, Paul... I was looking for you on the left of the screen. 😂😂😂
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
Wa alaykumu s-salam
@shak281002 жыл бұрын
JazakAllah, thank you for explaining a clear issue that some modern scholars had brought senseless confusion upon.
@dahirhussein18392 жыл бұрын
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@dhulqarnayn1272 жыл бұрын
Most biased and one sided presentation
@SkepticTuism2 жыл бұрын
Who died on the cross? Was it 1 or 3?
@SkepticTuism2 жыл бұрын
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 lol. Read the Quran. It was man among the agressors appearing as Jesus.
@SkepticTuism2 жыл бұрын
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 but as a christian you can't answer this. Imagine following a religion and not able to explain the core principle of it...
@phrama22 Жыл бұрын
this is so academic and it should be paid for watching it. so professional and high level of analysis , really thanks a lot.
@BloggingTheology Жыл бұрын
You are most welcome
@mubashir81432 жыл бұрын
Paul has successfully bagged in a golden conversation.
@aimanshafqat2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@Chandransingham2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and at times hair raising disclosure! Some new way of looking? Not quite "Historical Critical Method" used by some scholars. Good balanced critical examination Arabic language, its translation, Sunni, Shia and Ahmadiyya schools of thoughts and some observations of contemporaneous non-Muslims in Arabian environment. Bit surprised no reference made to Sidney H Griffith's work and his important book "The Bible in Arabic" which was used to support the development of the Holy Quran.
@merlinx87032 жыл бұрын
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@Chandransingham2 жыл бұрын
@@merlinx8703 I commented there. See my comments.
@merlinx87032 жыл бұрын
@@Chandransingham Good To know you watched the lecture I agree with Dr Ali Ataei in his Divine Rapture theory 😁
@Chandransingham2 жыл бұрын
@@merlinx8703 I hope to revisit Dr Ali Atai's lecture to look at that eschatological point. Opinions varies between Christian denominations.
@merlinx87032 жыл бұрын
@@Chandransingham Dr Ali is a very good scholar
@benamiramir47802 жыл бұрын
FANTABULOUS ( Fantastic And Fabulous} discussion and learning materials. May ALLAH SWT blessed BOTH of You.
@baalbuster92942 жыл бұрын
“Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to CRUCIFY [him]: and the third day he shall rise again”. (Matthew 20:18-19 KJV) Witnesses to the crucifixion of Jesus ; The sign above Jesus’ head on the cross named Him personally; “And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS”. (Matthew 27:37, KJV) Jesus addressed His mother and disciple (John) from the cross (John 19:26-27) . One of the Centurions looking up at Jesus on the CROSS, acknowledging Jesus as the Son of God (Matt 27:54;Mark 15:39) Joseph of Arimathea sought the body of Christ FROM the CROSS and buried Him in His tomb. (John 19:38) Thirdly , majority of scholars, including Muslims favourite non Muslim scholar, Bart Ehrman, agree, the crucifixion of Jesus is an historical fact and “beyond dispute .” Fourthly , while the Gospels were written within 35-65 years after the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, the Quran was written almost 600 years after the events . Historians such as Tacitus mention the crucifixion of Jesus and even associating the name of Pontius Pilate (The Annals 15:44) Jewish historian , Josephus, writes “this is the Christ who was crucified by Pilate .” Lucian (Greek writer ) of Samosta records the crucifixion of Jesus in The Passing of Peregrinnus. Collectively, the facts stack in favour of the Scriptures , that Jesus WAS crucified but Muslims would rather be live a man who NEVER met Jesus and accounts written almost 600 years + after he events . Unbelievable 🤦♂️
@redsauce52702 жыл бұрын
This talk is of much significance. Kudos to Paul Sir The honorable mainstream scholors who argued in favour of crucifixtion be it Muhammad abdu, Rashid Rida or Sir Sayyed have one thing in common, they all belong to era of peak of colonialism and they all had a urge to reform muslim communities in lines of europe. Agreement and common terms with christanity were essential in doing that. They are not to blame but one has to recongnise sort of colonial prejudices in their interpretations
@markward39812 жыл бұрын
And many popular modern modernist Muslims using the Bible , and strange Arabic language interpretations, and odd opinions attempt to say the Quran doesn't deny the crucifixion. May Allah protect us.
@aminaahmad83282 жыл бұрын
Dr. Fatoohi very generously omitted Sayyid Ahmad Khan’s title “Sir” given to him by the British, which is very telling about Sayyed Ahmad Khan. Also, of note is the University of Sir Sayyed Ahmad Khan which was funded by the British and where these “progressive ideas” were propagated on the sub-continent.
@redsauce52702 жыл бұрын
@@aminaahmad8328 while you are Certaintly right about the underlying mindset of Sir Sayyed, I certainly admire him for his great work in form of the university which has henceforth been a premier gateway to knowledge in otherwise ignorant muslim society in that particular place of the world
@mosmas662 жыл бұрын
They can be Scholars, they can be Nobel prize laureates, but they are not Muslims any more. They embraced Christian idolatry and become idolaters. Any student who has been in any department research even in pure sciences knows perfectly that science is evolving every minute,and with every minute, new theories appear. Tomorrow, if a Christian publishes a paper about the historical resurrection of Jesus, this so called Muslim scholars will follow.
@louay.fatoohi2 жыл бұрын
@@aminaahmad8328 Thank you for watching the video. I did not drop his title in particular deliberately. I have used it in my book on the crucifixion and other publications in which I have mentioned Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan. In this interview, I did not use titles for other scholars eithers, mainly focusing on their contribution to the subject, otherwise everyone would be either Professor, Dr, or Shaikh, just in this case of Sir.
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul, I've never read the Quran so this presentation is important. To me, as a Christian believer, the most important subject is not IF Jesus was crucified., but WHY? I think that no matter who we are, Muslims or Christians ( or another religion), we should concentrate on the reasons why Jesus would have been obedient to God the Father and accept death on a cross. Assuming Jesus was historically crucified, we need to dig deeper into the scriptures that reveal why Jesus was crucified. Do you think Muhammed himself accepted the idea that Jesus was crucified? I really appreciate this presentation. Peace
@tomasino35722 жыл бұрын
Hello sir. As mentioned by me somewhere here around, the Deen show channel had a talk on the topic with an authentic narration that convincingly shows how Jesus (pbuh) was saved from the crucifixion by the mean of one of the apostles which was made reassembling him. Of course, not being an expert, I am.also waiting for some of of the well read persons of the audience to give us better hints.
@muadhibrahim69142 жыл бұрын
As for Muhammad salla llahu aleyhi wa sallam believing that issa aleyhi salaam was crucified.... قُلۡ إِنِّي نُهِيتُ أَنۡ أَعۡبُدَ ٱلَّذِينَ تَدۡعُونَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِۚ قُل لَّآ أَتَّبِعُ أَهۡوَآءَكُمۡ قَدۡ ضَلَلۡتُ إِذٗا وَمَآ أَنَا۠ مِنَ ٱلۡمُهۡتَدِينَ (Muhsin Khan and Taqi-ud-Din al-Hilali) Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I have been forbidden to worship those whom you invoke (worship) besides Allah." Say: "I will not follow your vain desires. If I did, I would go astray, and I would not be one of the rightly guided." -Surah Al-An'am, Ayah 56.
@moosa862 жыл бұрын
@John B Peace be upon you brother 🙏 You’ve brought up an excellent point!! The “why” is crucial and can be understood from 1 Peter 2. 1 Peter 2:20-23 “ For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if you endure when you do good and suffer for it, this finds favor with God. [21] For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, LEAVING YOU AN EXAMPLE, so that you should follow in his footsteps, [22] who did not commit sin, nor was deceit found in his mouth,[23] who when he[d] was reviled, did not revile in return; when suffering, he did not threaten, but entrusted himself to the one who judges justly,” Christ’s death was a part of the covenant that he brought and it helped give hope to all who live hard lives and are tested mightily by God in this life. They can rest assured that acting calmly and graciously will see them resurrected and in God’s good graces assuming they were His faithful worshippers during their lives. Peace be upon you
@moosa862 жыл бұрын
@John B Psalm 51:16-17 “ [16] For you do not delight in sacrifice or I would give it. With a burnt offering you are not pleased. [17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.”
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@moosa86 Greetings from Florida. Can you explain better what you mean by "Christ's death was a part of the covenant that he brought....? What "covenant" are you referring to? Peace
@phantomknight55342 жыл бұрын
It would be good if u had a discussion with professor Iyad Qunaibi about atheism and evolution
@andrewcohen7862 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Andrew!
@rashidaquil52842 жыл бұрын
Islam is a unifier of all religion for the entire humanity
@uniuni88552 жыл бұрын
@@davidzack8735 your house is made of glass so you're hurting yourself only.
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@uniuni8855 I think all of us have a house "made of glass". I should pray that the foundation is solid and acceptable to God, even if the house of glass collapses !!
@rashidaquil52842 жыл бұрын
@@davidzack8735 Islam agrees with Moses message, Noah message, Jesus message and then Muhammad final uniter of all for humanity till day of judgment
@asif82242 жыл бұрын
crucifixion or cruci-fiction?? If someone hang on the cross but do not die on the cross! Can we call it crucifixion?? There is no English word for this type of situation!! So Quran is very accurate cause quran says it was not crucifixion!! they thaught it was crucifixion!!
@darrengordon82212 жыл бұрын
Islam or Is-Lame ?
@asif82242 жыл бұрын
@@darrengordon8221 its Islam means peace!! Now can you pove me jesus died on the cross??if someone do not die on the cross can we call it crucifixion?? what's the meaning of miracle of jonah??how jesus fulfilled that prophecy??
@johnbrzykcy30762 жыл бұрын
@@asif8224 Your question about the "meaning of miracle of Jonah" in respect to Jesus' own words/prophecy is significant. I have not studied about Jonah and I wonder how Jewish scholars perceive this Old Testament book? Basically we have to remember that the New Testament books go back 2,000 years while Islam started about 600 years later. Right? I think many historians and scholars believe Jesus was crucified. I respect Islamic believers.
@darrengordon82212 жыл бұрын
@@asif8224 if Islam is peaceful, shouldn't Islamic extremists be extremely peaceful ?
@asif82242 жыл бұрын
@@johnbrzykcy3076 we will go to the historians later!! quran is historically correct!! Lets talk about jonah!! Was jonah alive in the belly of the fish?? Jesus said he will be like jonah then why r u saying he died??
@atiqrahman72892 жыл бұрын
Do not understand what precisely this man wants to say.????
@sutil50782 жыл бұрын
47:06 Very interesting point in form of question Louay is giving here, yet I have seen many christians are so meek with atheists and other religions but not with Islam which is the only religion (aside of christianity itself) belief in Jesus , his mother, his miracles, his comming before end of time!! it raises astonishment they are like that with muslims. (all not but many)
@sportsstudio542 жыл бұрын
This is great content followed by a detailed discussion. Enjoy a lot.
@nahlamattar1575 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, it is academic and respectful.
@rafeekshah40672 жыл бұрын
Dear Brother Paul Assalaamu Alaikum May Allah reward you for presenting such informative and educational programmes. Your choice of guest speakers is superb.May Allah Bless Dr.Fatoohi too.He has put with proofs what is considered to be a controversial topic beyond doubt I always look forward to such programmes. With best wishes. From South Africa.
@BloggingTheology2 жыл бұрын
Wa alaykumu s-salam and many thanks Rafeek!
@malhamaulkubra44372 жыл бұрын
Who did the women see at the tomb? Mark: a young MAN sitting at the side of the tomb Mathew: An ANGEL sitting on the rock outside the tomb Luke: TWO MEN standing inside the tomb!! John: Magdalene ALONE a woman!! then she returns LATER with 2 DISCIPLES + TWO Angels!!
@moosa862 жыл бұрын
Once again another meaningless detail discrepancy that alters the validity of the Gospels in no significant way... (2 of the assumed writers weren't even direct disciples of Christ so it's understandable that they won't match on the most inconsequential of details)
@malhamaulkubra44372 жыл бұрын
@@moosa86 Get outa here you fake Muslim account
@malhamaulkubra44372 жыл бұрын
@@moosa86 Rafidaa snake we know you Majoosi fire worshippers
@moosa862 жыл бұрын
@@malhamaulkubra4437 Hahhahaha... I'm not even Shia. I mean I don't believe in Shia theology.
@malhamaulkubra44372 жыл бұрын
@@moosa86 You are a Santa egg rabbit worshipping pagan
@MnM_CuteCatClips2 жыл бұрын
1:00:45 A verse from the Holy Qur'an-- counterintuitive? You sure, brother Paul? Yes, we are to "come to common terms" with the ahley kitab alright, but not at the expense of any verse of the Holy Qur'an; for each and every verse in it is of divine utterance and therefore, true. If Allah says crucifixion did not take place, then surely it did not take place. As simple as that. No room for doubt or confusion. 🤲 Ihdinas seratul mustakim. Aameen.
@aumyousefnasser93592 жыл бұрын
Mash Allah beautiful explaining
@KaisUK2 жыл бұрын
Just a small point for the doctor. Please do not use red, green and blue in presentations as it is not legible for those of us who are colour blind. You can find online alternative colour accessible colours. Thank you. I will edit this tomorrow inshallah with a link for them.
@louay.fatoohi2 жыл бұрын
My apology. Thank you for drawing my attention to this oversight. I will take this into account next time.
@KaisUK2 жыл бұрын
@@louay.fatoohi Colours recommended for presentations that are colorblind friendly: Red (222, 73, 73) Yellow (255, 185, 55) Green (47, 176, 110) Blue (51, 82, 225) Purple (83, 51, 100) Gray (90, 125, 139) Jazakallah Khairun
@petrospetroupetrou96532 жыл бұрын
Speculation about a possibly historical figure (jesus) from the point of view Islam. That is so very objective and truth-seeking.
@AaronMiller-rh7rj2 жыл бұрын
This was worth listening too.
@abdullahaljalil52182 жыл бұрын
Another valuable discussion Great Job brother Pual👍
@noahsteam82142 жыл бұрын
Great presentation by Dr. Fatoohi. I've read several works of his and have found them all to be very insightful. However, I think there is a major problem which he isn't really addressing here. The discussion of whether Jesus was crucified or not shouldn't be happening in a vacuum. It must include the fact that Jesus was thought to have been crucified by all of his disciples. For this we have undeniably strong evidence within NT literature. From Paul's authentic letters, it's clear that everyone, including Peter and Jesus' brother James and the rest of his followers believed that Jesus had been crucified and was dead. Ok so perhaps they were simply unaware for some reason that their beloved teacher hadn't actually been killed. But then another issue arises. James, Peter, John and the others all claimed that God had raised Jesus. So why is this an issue? Well, as Muslims we ALSO believe that God had raised Jesus. However, we believe this was PRIOR to his crucifixion. As Muslims, how do we know God raised Jesus? Because God tells us in the Quran. However, how did James, Peter and the rest know that he had been raised? God didn't tell them right? Well clearly they knew somehow and if they knew this then it means that somehow God must have intervened in some miraculous way to let them know that he had been raised. But despite knowing that God had raised Jesus, they all believed and indeed proclaimed that the crucifixion happened and that Jesus had indeed died. So now this becomes very strange. If they knew that God had miraculously raised Jesus, why would they also say that he had died first? Wouldn't they have known that he was already raised prior to the crucifixion? Well apparently not. So the only reasonable solution as a Muslim is to say that after Jesus' arrest, God raised Jesus up and somehow no one realizes this. Then, everyone including his family, disciples, and opponents are fooled into thinking that Jesus was crucified. Then God reveals to Jesus' family & disciples that actually I raised Jesus up, but doesn't mention the fact that Jesus wasn't actually crucified. So now these poor disciples continue on mistakenly thinking that Jesus had indeed been crucified and spend the rest of their lives trying to convince other Jews (with almost no success) that even though Jesus had in fact died, he was still the messiah. Personally, that scenario just doesn't make much sense to me. I will say that personally, I don't really see any issue reading the crucifixion verse as only a rejection of the claim of the prophet's Jewish opponents that it was Jews who had killed Jesus. What modern scholarship has made abundantly clear, and perhaps the Quran itself here is alluding to as well, is that the Jews in fact DIDN'T kill Jesus. Crucifixion was Roman punishment. Technically speaking, he was killed by Romans. Over the decades and centuries after Jesus' death, Christians gradually shifted all of the blame on to Jews to the point that everyone then and now actually thinks that Jews killed Jesus. So it has been made to appear as if they had killed him, but they didn't. Romans did though. So now everything makes sense. Jesus isn't killed by Jews (something both the Quran and Christians can agree on), then God raises him (something both Muslims and Christians agree on), and the disciples find out that Jesus has been raised by God (again something we know as Muslims and they knew through visionary experiences apparently). But as Dr. Fatoohi says, at the end of the day, as a Muslim it doesn't really matter to us theologically whether or not Jesus died on the cross. But I think Muslims do need to better understand and address the events that took place immediately following Jesus' death. That is, why his disciples and own brother would have said that he was raised AFTER his death.
@khalilbonjol87112 жыл бұрын
Whilst we can agree with what is described as 'the inerrancy of the Quran' we should also be aware of 'errancy of interpretation' and 'loss or addition in translation'. The assertion that passages of the Quran can be shown to support the denial of Jesus's death by crucifixion has to be balanced with verses in the Quran which imply that Jesus lived to old age on earth after the crucifixion event ( in Khwaja Nazir Ahmad's Jesus in Heaven on Earth). If the Quran says that Jesus was not killed through crucifixion, it is not only possible but also probable that Jesus was placed on the cross but survived the ordeal. This means that Jesus was not crucified since he did not pass the test for expiration of mortal life while on the cross or in the tomb.
@extraordinary.verses2 жыл бұрын
Quran points out that the church will not be able to pull out definitive evidence to defend the crucifixion. _And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain._ (Quran 4.157)
@elisabeth52852 жыл бұрын
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@abdar-rahman69652 жыл бұрын
*Noble Quran never says that Jesus was Crucified. Quran powerfully denies Crucifixion of Jesus but Quran never denies nailing of Jesus on the Cross. Know that DEATH ON CROSS is a binding condition of Crucifixion. If person is nailed but removed from Cross, alive; HE IS NOT CRUCIFIED 4:157. Those who say: that Quran never denies Crucifixion are the Greatest Liars of Universe.*
@alqawiyu2 ай бұрын
If the jews and Christians say that Islam is a false religion, they are also automatically saying that their religions are false as well. In the bible, God made a promise to Hagar and Abraham that he would make the descendants of Ishmael a great nation. Arabs, descendants of Ishmael became a great nation only through Islam. When the world was drowned in polytheism of the trinity, Islam restored the pure and strict monotheism of abrahamic faith. The Bible says that God will bless those who bless Abraham. The muslims are the ones who bless Abraham most daily in every prayer.
@mohamedamiruddin30952 жыл бұрын
Crucifixion did take place and it appeared to most people that Jesus was on the stake. In reality it was not him. Jesus was indeed raised to heaven and the person that was on the stake was one of his disciples. He was made to appear similar to Jesus. My conclusion.