I bought one over a year ago, i forgot I even had it on. Works well.

@DylanTalksTone try Truglide

Obviously your nut slots are not cut straight which is a minimum requirement to install it. You didn't even evaluate it's functionality. Terrible review...

@@clover042001 But the nut sluts were cut properly already. Why would I create a problem that wasn't there?

@@DylanTalksTone if you were trying to evaluate it then you should have put it on a guitar that had straight cut nuts. Nut slots cut on an angle are not properly cut according to Gibson and Epiphone.

@skogenburzum I use locking tuners.

@skogenburzum Technically not. However...the locking tuners have been on the guitar for years prior to the string butler installation so why should I replace them back with regular tuners? They make string changes alot faster. Bottom line...the string butler fixed typical Les Paul tuning issues so string windings have nothing to do with it.

@skogenburzum why not? Locking tuners should be standard on all guitars moving forward just simply on convenience alone.

@skogenburzum Locking tuners insure that the guitar strings do not slip and are also convenient because locking tuners do not require as many wraps as standard tuners do.Locking tuners do not help if strings are catching and hanging on the bridge saddles or on the guitar nut.

Same here, also with Bigsby

Same with Duesenberg tremolo.

I use it with Stetsbar on my Gibson and bigsby on my FlameKat. Works as described by String Butler.

@Steve We went through about 5-10 different nuts through those guitars. I'm never buying a Gibson again, so I won't have that problem going forward. If I did though I'd put a string butler on it to ensure a stable intonation.

@Steve intonation of the first 4 frets is handled by nut height, not bridge saddle height. That's what it has to do with it. For Gibson you have to balance the entry nut height and angle against a slopping angled exit carve. Graphite helps for bends, not for intonation. Go get a good tuner. .1 cents accurate or better and check each fret 1-4 on each string. They should perfectly be in tune. If not your nut height is off.

@Steve your exact tuning is achieved via touch pressure. Guess you need to work on your fretting :-/ The string Butler allows you to do straight nut filing, eliminating the complexity of the bellhorn tuner post side carve. This method is easier/more accurate when intonating the nut. That's how it relates to intonation. You're really stretching here. I've had this type of talk with Gibson owners frequently. The fact your guitar doesn't have 1-4 frets in tune is just highlighting the problem. Just remember a lot of newer players need this information to set their instruments up and to become better players. So, when I advise a straight nut slotting because it's easier and you ignore it because your instrument is out of tune just remember I'm talking to someone who cares about the quality and care of their instrument. Not you. As an edit; you should be able to play those first frets in tune, through reasonable adjustment of playing pressure. Squiggly frets or tuning to chords won't solve the small nuances that stringed fretted instruments experience. The goal is to bring your instrument in it's entirety closer together in it's broad timbre than farther. TBH most Gibson's I worked on were so out of tune for cowboy chords you didn't even need a fancy tuner a 5$ clip on would show them massively off. Adding a string Butler tackles those, that players lacking ear training miss. It also helps preserve the tune, so no 10 minute retunes. That's with a properly slotted nut, the design is just bad get over it. The extra precision I do is only because of recording studio work / instrumental variety when I first became a musician. Playing a fretless bass and other fretless instruments disturbs mixes with guitars that aren't sorted in tuning. Was not abnormal for us to work on an artists guitar to get it "perfect" for the recording. As an aside though, even my squire (with tuning issues) can play frets 1-4 in tune open and octave. Kinda disappointing Steve's Gibson cant do it.

@Steve 1). All frets will be out of tune to various degrees except the open strings and the 12th fret! It's IMPOSSIBLE to have every fret on every string in perfect tune! This is by design so that the guitar can play in every key. I already covered this. You ought to, through finger pressure, be able to play each note in tune on your instrument. As previously stated I already checked a few instruments I worked on. That is the case for all 4 of them. I'm sorry you're struggling with the intonation on your instruments. Maybe consult a tech about the problems you're experiencing. Most of the "out of tune" examples for a guitar are on chords, where we're uniformly applying pressure to multiple strings causing out of tune issues to occur. To mitigate that issue you set the instrument up to be able to achieve proper tuning through finger pressure for individual notes. You can achieve a range of sharp/flat based off the softness or firmness of your pressure. The instrument should be setup to maximize the range you use as a player. This seems like a concept that's way over your head, as it's been explained several times and you just don't get it. 2) Professionals have been playing Gibson guitars on thousands of recordings for decades without needing this string butler thing. People have also been complaining about the tuning issues for decades. At the record company I worked at we would commonly have to cut a fresh nuts for Gibsons and lube the shit out of them, occasionally having to fit them with a Brass bar to eliminate the bends. With improvements in technology we've also gained clarity and stability with our setups. There isn't a reason to suffer through that garbage anymore. 3). There are plenty of cheap tuners that do a great job. You don't need a Petersen tuner, that's overkill and being anal. A polytune 3 has .1 cent tuning and is ~50$ used. You don't need to break the bank to get an accurate tuner, like it was in the past. Why do you think I'm using a Petersons? Don't you know plenty of on market tuners are .1 cent accurate? 4) The string butler has no effect on intonation. the string butler allows straight nut slotting. This allows you to easier set the nut height, avoid binding and control where the pitch point is on the nut. All of that effects intonation. Without it you have additional hurdles to setting up intonation I've exhaustively explained to you. If your guitar already has straight nut slotting, then the string butler won't do much. Gibsons do not have straight nut slotting, however. So in this instance a string butler will impact intonation by allowing straight nut slotting. 5. How can musicians be so stupid and believe the things you do??? I mean your posts are literally a bucket of ignorance and you're a musician I assume. You've gone from giving advice on an instrument you've never owned, to missing the fact nut height impacts intonation, don't understand the difference between straight nut slotting VS angled slotting and also don't own a string butler to even test your proposition out. I guess if you're wondering why musicians are so stupid, just look in a mirror. You're your own answer. You literally contribute nothing to this conversation.

I just file my nut slots in the direction of the tuner.

@@DayRider76 You are still bending the string in a direction they shouldn't, not at such a steep angle anyway. Its a flawed design................by design... The strings are bending down, and outward, at the same time. If it had a locking nut, no problem, but with a regular nut, if you say you can keep in tune for more than a few minutes, you will be lying to yourself.

@@00Resev I dont have tuning issues with a lp style headstock. Shallow nut and a little filling.

@@00Resev so get a graphite or black tusq nut

@@davestephens3246 Your wishful thinking is commendable, but the track record work against it. To make a point, Epiphone LPs have less trouble keeping tune (shallower break angle), not to mention PRSs, even the SE range.

Gibson machine head posts are shorter then most. To address his concern you can install the String Butler without the washers below it.

The point is that you have to fix your guitar, not add some new variable to have new problems. Summing up, if you have your nut cut the wrong way, you probably have to replace the nut.

@@gabibonza from what I’ve heard, it doesn’t give new problems

“I don’t know if it fixes anything...” then FUCKING TRY IT OUT!!!!

What happened in the end?

Johnny M did the same thing to my ‘13. It fit better than this video shows. Did you get a new nut after putting on? I am going to replace, and wonder if they get cut straighter now?

Hey Matt I did get a new nut after I installed the Sting Butler. I went for brass just to try something different. The slots are cut straight and I also use Big Bends Nut Sauce for a bit of extra lube. Absolutely no more binding issues at all.

I learned of the truglide on Ben Eller's video about his Les Paul. I hope it's okay to mention other youtubers and products here. I don't mean it as advertising.

Doesn't matter how you cut the nut. You're either putting a bind on the string on the headstock side of the nut with a straight cut or the fretboard side of the nut with an angled cut. As long as there's an angle change at any point through the nut, there will be binding. Having the angle change at the roller makes binding impossible. You would need a straight cut on the nut to make the String Butler work best, but 'properly cut nuts' still bind the strings.

Sassy cat...come on...you can’t use words like superfluous...you’ll just confuse people!!!!!!

I just had to open up a second window to look up the definition for superfluous...

@@jeffking8903 Physics doesn't lie. A change in string direction will bind unless it's on a roller, no matter where along the string path it occurs.

I could scream this from the roof tops. Just file the slots of the nut in the direction of the tuner. I have a lp (style) guitar that I filed the nut, filled the bridge and tail piece holes. mounted a roller bridge and ran a string through setup. I have to tune it about once a month.

@@DayRider76 What..... Every month???

@@MrAZed209 I forgot? Locking tuners to. I designed it to be a stay in tune monster.

It works pretty well. Makes the bridge real stable and helps with unison bends and return to zero. Clunky if you wanna pull up alot. Not good for Floyds. I have them on 2 guitars( 1 Traditional Wilkinson and 1 VN100S Wilkinson). They also make Drop D tuning a hella lot easier. Kills the warble when set up right. Not good if your a warbler. Haha 👍 Worth the $11 I paid.🤘😎

@@guitarmainiac80 ah see i like a warble with a strat trem haha. i actually made my own out of 2 spring claws i had a few years ago (for a strat i could never get to stay in tune if i used the trem) it looked ugly but it worked perfectly lol, however since then i've found a pretty reliable method for setting the spring tension for floating strat style trems (including floyd roses) i can flutter and warble all day long now :D however it didn't work on a floyd rose with an "EVH D-tuna" fitted but i've got a different trem i can use if i want to drop tune with a locking system lol

I'll take it...even pay shipping.

You don't need to drill holes to attach it if you have the vintage push and bushings There are special string Butler adapter kits or use the 3M 2 sided tape that they use to hang pictures on the wall which is safe and won't damage the guitar

Which makes it pointless

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String Trees... lmfao.. What

David Murray Holland I mean I would personally rather have a small piece of metal over a neck that can be troublesome

@@fentom92 people who love Fenders rag on Gibson and vice versa.. Meanwhile companies like Jackson and Solar are just doing it right.

David Murray Holland limiting yourself to one brand is stupid. I'm just saying fenders way is a lot better than Gibson's.

Miss Hoover, I glued my head to my shoulders.

Try a roller bridge before this, and get a good setup, that should fix it.

Are you sincerely asking? Because we have some live Patreon workshops where we have done that.

@@DylanTalksTone Whoah.... Very cool! Looking into subscribing now!