Does Toyota's New 0W-8 Engine Oil Improve Fuel Economy? Is The Jeep Wrangler a Convertible?

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This week we discuss several topics requested by our audience, including: How does an EV's extra battery weight affect braking? Is it necessary to turn a vehicle's front wheels toward the curb when parking on a steep hill, even if it has an automatic transmission? What are the best practices for storing hybrid cars for long periods of time? We also explain how CR's used-car reliability data is gathered for each vehicle's model year.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:34 - Question #1: How does an EV’s extra battery weight affect its braking distances over ICE competitors?
05:14 - Question #2: Which vehicle segment you would revamp, given the opportunity?
10:28 - Question #3: What is the proper way to store a hybrid or plug-in hybrid vehicle for long periods of time?
15:05 - Question #4: How does CR collect used-car reliability data for each model year?
16:37 - Question #5: Should a Jeep Wrangler be considered a convertible?
19:33 - Question #6: Is it necessary to turn a vehicle’s front wheels toward the curb when parking on a steep hill, even if it has an automatic transmission?
22:05 - Question #7: Is using an extremely thin engine oil, like the 0W-8 used in the new Toyota Crown, for improved gas mileage or just planned obsolescence?
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@snakerb 10 ай бұрын

Mike’s opinion of Crossovers instantly made me a fan of his

@rightlanehog3151 10 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏

@rightlanehog3151 10 ай бұрын

Mike, Yes, manual station wagons should replace CUVs but simulated wood exteriors should be mandatory. 😉 Jennifer, I think the Mercury Cougar wagon just edges out the LTD II . 🤩

@tman9517 10 ай бұрын

I love this combo of hosts. Great variety of questions. Awesome information that everyone can use. The Mitsubishi Diamante wagon made my heart race when I was in high school. Lol

@mrfroopy 10 ай бұрын

I guess a Outback is really a station wagon.. but they don't call it that.

@mj8495 10 ай бұрын

It started as a raised legacy wagon... then they dropped the legacy wagon 😮

@rightlanehog3151 10 ай бұрын

It is the last mainstream wagon standing.

@toronado455 10 ай бұрын

Oil doesn't need to be heavy to work. Light oil actually works better in modern engines.

@kolt9051 10 ай бұрын

@9:15 Mike says his parents Volvo didnt have a radio but had A/C...WHAT?? I had no idea cars back then didn't come with a radio. I'm in my 20s and my Dad said his first car with FM was such a big deal for him. But I assumed everything had AM since the 1950s?? wow, interesting. I just saw Planes, Trains, and Automobiles (1980s) and I love the line "well at least the radio still works" XD

@siamesepleaseme7468 10 ай бұрын

Radios were definitely optional equipment even in 70’s. Most came with and most people that had them changed them out for quality stereo sound and speakers. I used my graduation money for a new sound system complete with great speakers and that was’74. Not a great idea but you know how it is to be young! I prefer to listen to sound in privacy of my own home anyway and often speakers in vehicles end up vibrating and rattling after quite a few years on vehicles. We buy new and keep for life of vehicle.

@toronado455 10 ай бұрын

The question about parking on a hill was well-answered. 🏆

@mikerepairsstuff 10 ай бұрын

Always love Talking Cars ❤ this was a super episode. Shared.

@marksandstrom4248 10 ай бұрын

I am pretty sure I have a valid added perspective on the "you can use 0W-16 oil temporarily but change as soon as possible" statement Toyota makes. The question is not merely what real fuel economy will you the consumer experience, but more importantly, what credit will Toyota receive from the EPA in meeting fuel economy regulatory requirements. No doubt the EPA asked Toyota back "so how can we be sure that real Toyota Crowns in the real world will actually be using 0W-8 motor oil over the long term". In other words, do they deserve to get MPG credit from regulators for the thin oil. In reply Toyota no doubt promised "we will put a requirement sticker under the hood, and put words in the owner's manual saying that thicker oils have to be changed out quickly after temporary use". You the everyday driver may give zero hoots about losing 0.05 mpg - and I'm sure that no harm will be done to your car with thicker oil - but it means much more than that on the corporate level to Toyota.

@terrence4933 7 ай бұрын

That 0w-8 sticker is on ‘24 Corolla NON Hybrid as well.

@andymike6575 2 ай бұрын

We just traded in our 2022 Lexus hybrid for a 2024 Grand Highlander hybrid. Both have the exact same powertrain (2.5 L A25A-FXS) however the Toyota says to use 0w-8. I had no idea until I opened the hood this morning so I guess I wasted over $100 on the Amsoil hybrid 0W-16 I bought for it 😡

@mikenichols3849 10 ай бұрын

since we have days that can approach -40F in the winter, we always use 0-30W synthetic oil in our vehicles. less of a struggle to start up on those cold mornings. plus less wear & tear on the engine especially for those first few minutes after starting up.

@toronado455 10 ай бұрын

Next on Consumer Reports... what NOT to put in your freezer LOL. 😂

@kolt9051 10 ай бұрын

Super fun episode. Great questions and answers. I love how yall always seem to have so much fun producing the podcast. Yall joke with each other and it makes the podcast feel like sitting in for a conversation with a few car nut friends.

@zlac 8 ай бұрын

So, if you spend $150 per month on gas, you're saving $15 per year... And it costs just $20 for a quart? I don't know...

@dantos115 3 ай бұрын

Thanks about the 0w-8 Toyota oil insight

@BoGuMoto 10 ай бұрын

Turning your wheels when parking on a hill - in many hilly municipalities, it's the law. If you do not turn the wheels into the curb (curbing the wheels) you will get a ticket. You always turn the wheel so that if the car rolls down the hill, it will not roll into the middle of the street.

@CarsSimplified 10 ай бұрын

Great stuff! I'm good with the crossover segment going away if that excludes the Subaru Crosstrek!

@WhiteTheRealQueens 10 ай бұрын

Thank you !

@kwjr.9569 10 ай бұрын

Station Wagons, yes!!!!

@rightlanehog3151 10 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏

@stanadams3886 10 ай бұрын

In reference to the discussion about crossovers vs. station wagons. There are so many trucks and large SUVs on the road that the additional height of the crossover over the station wagon sometimes gives you the additional safety of being able to see around or through that large vehicle. The station wagon doesn’t typically give you that ability.

@westondaniel 9 ай бұрын

My new Toyota Corolla LE calls for 0W-8 at $20 dollars a quart.

@terrence4933 7 ай бұрын

I have a ‘24 Corolla SE and just found out about this today. 0w-8 is hard to find as every Toyota dealer doesn’t have it in stock.

@billz410 7 ай бұрын

Same issue here! I'm planning to run 0W16 in the short-term, at least.@@terrence4933

@Cleofizoid 2 ай бұрын

I use the recommended 5W-30 engine oil in my 2022 Lexus IS 500 F Sport Performance (2UR-GSE). I prefer Amsoil synthetic Signature Series. I bought a 2024 Toyota Corolla LE last week (Mar 2024). Recommended oil for it is 0W-8. Amsoil doesn't offer this grade...yet. My take away on this "new", very hard to find, expensive 0W-08 engine oil recommendation is that 0W-16 will be OK to use...forever. The owners manual states it's OK to use if 0W-8 is unavailable, but then use 0W-8 at the next oil change. I want to use the manufacturers recommended oil for the car, but, but, but. This situation has to change immediately. Killing me Toyota.

@ryanb5189 23 күн бұрын

Toyota does not believe in planned obsolescence, quite the opposite actually.

@nickolastiguan 10 ай бұрын

19:33 I thought what you are supposed to do (manual or auto) when parking facing uphill is, turn the front wheels towards the road, let the car roll back a bit so the passenger side tire is close to, or even touching the curb (standard/vehicle curb). If slope curb, then you would turn and point the front wheels toward the curb. When parking facing down hill, you would turn your front wheels towards the curb regardless what type of curb.

@tomjanowski8584 10 ай бұрын

The last Buick station wagon was incredible.

@nroose 10 ай бұрын

In SF, turning your wheels in is the law in all parking spots. But I think if you are uphill, you should turn your wheels away from the curb. That seems like it would be safer.

@sssssneaker 10 ай бұрын

They call it Estate in the UK, not in Europe :))

@JREwing78 10 ай бұрын

I always wondered why manufacturers never created a "Park" gear on manual transmissions that does the same thing as on an automatic. I had a moment where I intended to put my (broken) manual transmission shifter in Reverse. I hit 4th instead, which provided much less resistance to movement. I also neglected to set the parking brake. About 15 minutes later, someone knocked on the door because my car rolled out of the driveway into the street. Afterward, I was vigilant about using the parking break all the time. I also eventually identified and fixed that broken shifter.

@roots4x 7 ай бұрын

If you missed 1st, what makes you think you might not miss a stationary gear? Parking brake + 1st gear is probably superior to a parking brake. No need to add an unnecessary gear to a transmission.

@jstephens2758 10 ай бұрын

A 0W8 oil sounds like a real moneymaker for Toyota and its dealers. Changing it twice a year at $20 per quart should bring a nice profit since you can't get it anywhere else. And then, there is the excessive wear that will lead to buying a new car sooner, or else an engine rebuild using factory parts. Finally, they can sell even more oil because at high temperatures and highway speeds (even without a heat wave), it will leak into the cylinders and burn. All of this for 0.8 % more fuel economy, somewhere around 1/4 mpg? It would be interesting to see how it pours at 190 degrees F. Question: If tight tolerances allow such thin oil, doesn't that add to friction that works against fuel economy?

@Dusdaddy 10 ай бұрын

Not much logic in your comment. Where does this excessive wear come from when the oil, being thinner, would now be able to lubricate more friction points because it can reach them unlike thicker oils? Wouldn't that reduce wear and increase longevity? Would you run 75w oil in an engine? And do you truly think that they didn't test it at high temps? We're talking Toyota here. They built over 400 test mules for the new Tacoma, they leave nothing to "chance".

@kendavis8647 10 ай бұрын

I saw a dynamometer engine test comparing thin oil with thicker oil. I had always assumed that the thin oil would be a win win but the test showed the thicker oil produced more horsepower? They said the piston rings sealed better with thicker viscosity oil.I saw the test on engine masters motor trend tv.

@missym1073 10 ай бұрын

Soooooooo, was the grey Rivian-in this episode about EV braking-side swiped? (C 331927)? What happens when a rental or CR owned vehicle gets damaged? Things happen, but just wondering. Thanks! Love TalkingCars.

@cioscatalin1287 8 ай бұрын

Beside other car companies, Toyota engines really do NOT “consume” oil, like others do.. 😆 But I am really curious from now on. 🧐

@quixomega 10 ай бұрын

I love crossovers, but I'd buy a station wagon if it had good headroom. Because I'm 6'4 and if I could buy a compact wagon or hatch I actually fit in that would be great. As it stands I'm pretty happy with my CX-30.

@Zoooks 10 ай бұрын

I would buy a Hybrid Camry Hatchback or Station Wagon all day everyday and twice on Sunday!!! Sadly my request is falling on deaf ears.

@rightlanehog3151 10 ай бұрын

At least one person heard you.

@nickolastiguan 10 ай бұрын

22:05 from what I understand, it is more/mostly for emission

@juligrlee556 10 ай бұрын

I have been getting 41 mpg on my 09 Honda Fit car that can haul cement bags home, gravel bags etc and doesn't have thousands of dollars more and hundreds and hundreds of pounds more that even with solar power or hybrid batteries can't come near to the cost per 200,000 mile of my Honda Fit. And why can't we have practical small trucks as well to take care of home chores or can pull a garden tractor on a car trailer to the repair shops? I support Consumer Reports at $600 per year but I'm afraid Consumer's is only a magazine for Yuppies or those who like to have lights that blind the driver ahead of them in dark evening rush hours. I hate 99% of all cars being created.

@toronado455 10 ай бұрын

I wonder what Jen thinks about the Stelvio and the Hornet.

@jasonb5670 9 ай бұрын

The normal force (weight of vehicle) times friction coefficient creates the stopping force. All things equal, increased weight will not cause a longer stopping distance. The main reason an EV can stop shorter is the lower c.g.(typically) keeps the weight better balanced on all 4 wheels. Obviously some complicated physics going on, but weight cancels out of the equations.

@andymike6575 2 ай бұрын

Just bought a brand new Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid and there ain’t no way I’ll run their 0W-8 in it after the first oil change. Especially when this identical engine from the model year prior called for 0w-16. Pretty soon manufacturers will be saying to use thin air for lubrication at the expense of longevity so they can save themselves ¢ in CAFE penalties. I’ll stick to my Amsoil 0W-16

@nroose 10 ай бұрын

Seems like to compare things you should try to compare vehicles that are similar in performance. Like you should use the Raptor against the Lightning.

@chuckconnors615 10 ай бұрын

i THOUGHT the ( battery disconnect ) is mandated by NTSHA???? on the toyota hybrides it is a simple Orange PLUG that is removed @ the back of the BATTERY PACK for service / or first responders @ a crash scene????

@arneldobumatay3702 10 ай бұрын

Who's that messenger boy @ 26:05?

@stevebier710 10 ай бұрын

Sing it, Jen!!!

@nickolastiguan 10 ай бұрын

10:28 hybrid and PHEV probably won’t let you run the engine for 15 mins straight? Probably need to take it for a drive. What about just use a trickle charger?

@Spike-ej4st 10 ай бұрын

Mikes hair is distracting. Lol Love the show

@billz410 7 ай бұрын

Needs to find a razor as well.

@AH-bm4ts 10 ай бұрын

So is a Cabrio a convertible?

@ALMX5DP 10 ай бұрын

Is that a typo, 0w-8??

@ALMX5DP 10 ай бұрын

Dang nearly a percent improvement over an already fuel economy based oil. Just seems crazy to have something so fluid. Will we eventually get to a straight 0w oil?

@Dusdaddy 10 ай бұрын

@@ALMX5DP Thinking about it, wouldn't that thin of an oil be great for cold engine starts, getting into more places to provide lubrication, getting more "old" oil to drain at change time, etc? I mean, my hemi was designed for 20w or less so why not?

@lcarliner 10 ай бұрын

I would go for the minivan! Far, far better than a station wagon!

@davidmccarthy6061 10 ай бұрын

The Mazda MPV was a great size but most vans are much too large.

@chuckwalla2967 10 ай бұрын

Their reliability rating based on their subscriber surveys is kind of a joke. What if only, let's say, 5 of their readers own a particular brand/model vehicle? How reliable is that data going to be? What if none of their members owns or responds to a particular model?

@georgeh6856 10 ай бұрын

9:51 The king of all wagons is not the Audi RS6 Avant. The king of all wagons is the Wagon Queen Family Truckster.

@davidmccarthy6061 10 ай бұрын

And you can jump it!!

@Dusdaddy 10 ай бұрын

By the name, wouldn't that be the Queen of wagons?

@blurglide 10 ай бұрын

So in order to be a convertible...it needs to be unsafe and can't have a roll bar?

@rightlanehog3151 10 ай бұрын

CR, Why are you using time discussing 0W-8 oil,? Everyone knows the world ended when 0W-20 oil was introduced more than 15 years ago. 😉😂🤣

@rstuff1605 Ай бұрын

That stuff sure makes the coolant water a couple clicks above the 1st line that represents 100°F Used as the initial fill on a camry 2ar-fe engine

@jacobabraham4795 10 ай бұрын

The OW-8 thing is stupid

@sabertoothduck 9 ай бұрын

Local oil Toyota is $9 a quart

@hereigoagain5050 10 ай бұрын

If I could get rid of a market segment, it would be residential truck buyers who never tow or go off road. Bring on the hate!

@Dusdaddy 10 ай бұрын

And I would get rid of sports car buyers who never even reach 6th gear.

@Danky2448 8 ай бұрын

Does it really matter if toyotas 0w-8 engines get better economy. No one has 0w-8 oil, not even toyota dealers. Have 14,000 miles on my wifes 23 toyota crown and have had to change the oil with 0-16 each time. Multiple complaints to toyota corporation about it. No response. They dont care. Sold a car claiming xxmpg, but with the catch of 0w-8 oil. Now car gets yympg becuase you cant get 0w-8.

@PocketAces500 10 ай бұрын

Your responses really show your ages...

@paulpellico3797 10 ай бұрын

ho, boy...how you gloss over some details so they are countering the weight using softer, race and performance tires. what is the long term results from this? cost, wear from hot weather...winter performance? how about environmental cost for the faster wearing and release of tire particles????? you are the ones always telling us about the truth of physics and can we have some here? weight MUST have some kind of effect, no???

@representin614 10 ай бұрын

What about all the brake dust that ICE cars put out because they don't have regenerative braking? If you're actually that concerned about tire particles, you should be campaigning for public transportation, walkable cities, and protected bicycle lanes.

@Dusdaddy 10 ай бұрын

You are also forgetting one other big factor, how the EVs use the motor itself to help brake.

@mrfroopy 10 ай бұрын

What's with that hair product ..it is terrible in the closueup. bad tv.

@davidmccarthy6061 10 ай бұрын

Really? You think this is a Hollywood TV show?