Dogfights: JF-17 Thunder Vs The WORLD (Vid 1 of 2)

Dogfights: JF-17 Thunder Vs The WORLD (Vid 1 of 2) | DCS WORLD

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@milvipes 4 жыл бұрын

Not surprised that F-16 reigns supreme at WVR, although if you guys were more familiar with the controls of JF-17, you might have done slightly better.

@faizannabi7540 4 жыл бұрын

Lol its not the jet its the pilot lol...

@PegasusTenma1 2 жыл бұрын

@@faizannabi7540 5th Gen jets would beg to differ. Try flying an F-18 and engage an F-22 starting BVR and see how it turns out lol

@justarandom2330 2 жыл бұрын

@@faizannabi7540 as he is saying, "if you guys were more familiar with the controls of JF-17, you might have done slightly better.", he means that the pilots weren't too familiar with the controls, meaning the piltos are a bit worse

@amorosogombe9650 3 жыл бұрын

The JF-17 is turning out to be a pretty competent fighter.

@PegasusTenma1 2 жыл бұрын

It is surprisingly. Gave me some trouble in the F-16 at WVR, especially since the pilot seemed really competitive. It’s a dangerous machine in the right (or should I say wrong) hands

@liausdhfsdgfgf 4 жыл бұрын

so jeff’s not so good on taming the falcon but f18, F4s ,F5s ,MiG29 n the likes are jeff’s bunnies 🤔 The guys at PAC and CAC are saying that the block 3 is gonna match the falcon viper.. i got my money on jeff when the block 3 comes along

@chick5708 2 жыл бұрын

jeff is good You can also fight with it😜😜😜🤪🤪

@venome447 5 ай бұрын

What gives Viper the Superiority, is its engine. Wish Jeff had a better engine than the current one.

@zaidyounas1602 4 жыл бұрын

Block 3 JF-17 is equipped with the state of the art PL15 missiles can compete head to head with 5th gen aircrafts whilst being a 4.5 gen aircraft. 🔥

@venome447 5 ай бұрын

No, it can't compete 5th Gen fighters. 5th Gen is a different league.

@SHK-SPORTS11 Ай бұрын

@@venome447 In being stealthy sure, but the rest is covered by a 4.5 Gen fighter such as Block 3, with its AESA radars, IRST, EW, and BVR with PL15s etc.

@ozmo69 4 жыл бұрын

FIrst 2 would have been easy JF wins as well . Ur gun was not loaded he flew infront of u 2 times.

@Knightfang1 4 жыл бұрын

JF’s RD-93 engine is the same as the Mig-29’s RD-33 just with the gearbox moved so it will fit in the JF

@venome447 4 жыл бұрын

With higher Max Thrust.

@NefariousKoel 4 жыл бұрын

Cap forgetting how to activate guns in a dogfight vid is as reliable as the sunrise. Always worth some comedy.

@grimreapers 4 жыл бұрын

lols

@ethanhatcher5533 4 жыл бұрын

Tale as old as time

@HassanAmin77 4 жыл бұрын

Not surprising, JF-17 the new dog on the block is now a real competitor against top fighter jets of the world !

@HauntedXXXPancake 4 жыл бұрын

Meh, Being about 30 years younger, it might have some advantages over other 4th gen Fighters + it's very cheap, but that's pretty much it. It's been on sale for over a decade now, yet they've build fewer than 200 of them. That's worse than the Saab Gripen. The Chinese definitely don't seem to want it and most other (potential) customers seem to be so dodgy, not even the French would sell them a MRCA in 2020. Last but not least, most info (and thus modelling-data) on it is from China, Pakistan or it's buddies - sources far less reliable than actual combat statistics.

@syedshamsulhassantrimzi4268 4 жыл бұрын

@@HauntedXXXPancake well its competitor is Indias tejas LCA and with 16 prototypes and 16 fighters made they are well behind btw tejas prjct was started 10 yrs before jf and jf got mayanmar pakistan and Nigeria as costumers unlike tejas

@syedshamsulhassantrimzi4268 4 жыл бұрын

@@HauntedXXXPancake its blk 3 is 4+ gen and tens of countries are w8ing for it btw pakistan upgraded its blk 1 to blk2 standards and also made 8 duel seater version too with order of 8 more

@TheZippaduppa 4 жыл бұрын

its not competitor against TOP fighters.

@syedshamsulhassantrimzi4268 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheZippaduppa yes it is cuz its value for money eg pl15 missile triple axis fbw aesa radar of j10c,lighter and stealthier airframe with more composite new weapon station under chin ,wide angle HUD of j20,modified RD93MA engine,HMD latestEW suit and wide variety of weopens can be mounted including wester ones

@michaeldenesyk3195 4 жыл бұрын

Cap's missile shot did not guide because of the Minimum distance.

@grimreapers 4 жыл бұрын

thx

@davebaker581 4 жыл бұрын

Cap = A Guy who knows little about a lot...

@Sam-fp6in 4 жыл бұрын

I’m a simple man. I see a tomcat, I click it

@bradorem2262 4 жыл бұрын

The tomcat is the 🐐 of aircraft sir such an awesome craft such a shame it was decommissioned due to budget cuts.

@leeedwards234 4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@rundownaxe 4 жыл бұрын

@@bradorem2262 I am sad to hear that it doesn't fly anymore.

@gattmawer3030 4 жыл бұрын

@@bradorem2262 it was decommissioned because it made no sense, or at least stopped making it much before.

@shadowguardian3612 4 жыл бұрын

Idk iran has at least few of them

@tflashtube 4 жыл бұрын

The Jef is such a nice addition to DCS!

@irememberjeepz 4 жыл бұрын

Cap you made me so proud in that second F-16 fight. Haha. Good show.

@grimreapers 4 жыл бұрын

yay!

@mohammadmohtasham5216 4 жыл бұрын

31 indians did not like this video,,,,

@ashirtoor6497 4 жыл бұрын

@Ef Kae agreed .

@Anuj-2 4 жыл бұрын

But I liked

@JoyP09 4 жыл бұрын

Lol those 31 were from Pakistani airforce. They know how it actually performs in real life 😆

@Anuj-2 4 жыл бұрын

@@JoyP09 Right

@howto7868 3 жыл бұрын

@@JoyP09 hahaha your Tejas isn’t even battle proven and the jf 17 is the only example of bvr engagement in a actual dog fight when your abhinandan getting shot down😂😂😂💩💩💩

@DevelopingPak 4 жыл бұрын

Looking forward.....

@subrajitdey3514 4 жыл бұрын

It's a game not a real thing 😂

@muhammadhassan4781 4 жыл бұрын

@@subrajitdey3514 27 February, 2019 was real ;)

@abdullahkhanniazi4092 4 жыл бұрын

yeh to hoga!!!

@abdullahkhanniazi4092 4 жыл бұрын

bhai 2014 se aap ko follow kar raha hon

@alwayssmile1778 4 жыл бұрын

@@subrajitdey3514 u thing that is an official page? lol

@schweizerluchs7146 4 жыл бұрын

Aww the JF-17 Thunder looks soooo gooooooood😍

@learn_networking1 4 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed... Block 3 is even more effective....

@schweizerluchs7146 4 жыл бұрын

@@learn_networking1uhm

@schweizerluchs7146 4 жыл бұрын

@Chengxin Duan yea well if India gets the Meteor for the Dessault Rafale, the JF-17 is pretty much dead meat.

@changeyourselffirst8812 4 жыл бұрын

@@schweizerluchs7146 hahahahaha actually i am worry not feared cz ndians are gonna kill themselves with those meteors .... oh poor mi15....

@fakharhaider6269 4 жыл бұрын

India WILL get the meteor for Rafale, and Pakistan already has PL-15 for the AESA JEFF.. so we cool...

@hanswolfgangmercer 4 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed the format of this video. It's pretty fun to watch the dogfight in third person camera with the view locked on the opponent like this..

@geekengr 4 жыл бұрын

JF-17 is a real deal now.

@jodijaanify 4 жыл бұрын

i am proud that we make JF17 Thunder...block 3 is out...being inducted by PAF in a couple of months...it is a whole new beast...tons of upgrades..4.5 gen fighter..

@udayjp 4 жыл бұрын

Jodi Jaan still you'd to send F16s procured from USA for anti terrorist activities, as against you used it against BALAKOT! says a lot keep calm!

@mohammadmohtasham5216 4 жыл бұрын

@@udayjp we have used JF17s for terrorist bombings as well :)

@WaqasAhmad-je9dn 4 жыл бұрын

Tea was Fantastic 😍👌

@udayjp 4 жыл бұрын

@@mohammadmohtasham5216 sssh koi sun na le, mazak ho jayega...Woh bhi kya hona baki hai?

@udayjp 4 жыл бұрын

@@WaqasAhmad-je9dn kaha par chai pi cpec par?

@predattak 4 жыл бұрын

Yes the modern missiles are very very good at not taking the flare bait. If an 9x or a fox 2 from JF is fired at you and it tracks ... it will hit you 90% of times. What was proven to work in DCS is not to flare after the missile is fired but before. If you manage to dump a good amount of flares (not one or two) right before the missile leaves the pylon it has much bigger chances to take the bait.

@frogisis 4 жыл бұрын

This little jet is insane, it's so much fun

@IndependentVFX 4 жыл бұрын

This is EPIC! I love the camera angles in that dogfight

@conservativemike3768 3 жыл бұрын

When an F-20 and F-16I get together after a few too many drinks at the O-Club.

@thomasrouse3826 4 жыл бұрын

This is the video I’ve been waiting for! Thanks Cap & Reapers.

@aison2735 4 жыл бұрын

You seem unfamiliar with the controls of this aircraft

@omgsam7185 4 жыл бұрын

yeah. thats what they were saying throughout i guess. its a good craft, but they are still learning it since there are like only 45 tutorial videos of it XD

@johnbrady7431 4 жыл бұрын

Really good. Great job GR with some furball action!

@sufianansari4923 4 жыл бұрын

Top marks guys - great piloting from all of you!

@armaanpasha2438 4 жыл бұрын

> I'm doing this for India! Wait, don't let Jeff hear that. He gets upset. /s Love the video.

@kamraniqbal5183 4 жыл бұрын

thank u guys, thank u Cap, it was an amazing and equally good competition.

@saqibsultantemuri2437 4 жыл бұрын

great dog fights! Can't wait to see Jeff in Action!

@malix74 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Cap - really enjoyed it. Thank you

@sikandaralam7399 4 жыл бұрын

J17 war tested 2019 ,27feb

@indraadi 4 жыл бұрын

By running away from Mirages

@upsidedown.96 4 жыл бұрын

@@indraadi by destroying mirages

@SatyamKumar-sn9od 4 жыл бұрын

And iaf mig-21 bison shot paf f-16.

@upsidedown.96 4 жыл бұрын

@@SatyamKumar-sn9od you still believe on your media 🤣🤣🤣

@SatyamKumar-sn9od 4 жыл бұрын

@@upsidedown.96 wing commander abhi is a pilot from indian Air force not a media repoter. Lol😂

@moheedsyed7278 3 жыл бұрын

If the JF17 can fight like that in real life which it probably can, then that is an absolute phenomenal fighter because of its price tag of just 25 million! That's one heck of a fighter!!

@tommydavidson5183 4 жыл бұрын

Can you recreate historical dogfights? There is a History Channel video where they discuss the Duke Cunningham/Willy Driscoll Vietnam event in a U.S. Navy F-4 where they encounter and shoot down 3 MiG-17s in a day,but in the 3rd encounter they run into a superbly skilled pilot that instead of running goes vertical and engages them thru multiple rolling scissors before they basically pull the Top Gun braking move to force an overshoot and eventually putting a Sidewinder on him. They get hit by an SA-2 during their egress and are forced to stick with the plane until they got out over the water to eject and get rescued. I wanna see what that looks like with this kind of HD realism.

@NidoKhan1000 4 жыл бұрын

This should be pretty great idea

@waseem-yk7dd 3 жыл бұрын

You will love block 3 with addition of aesa radar, more composite materials, upgraded engine and pl-15

@jonyjony971 4 жыл бұрын

the tea was fantastic🤣🤣😂

@rickstorm8948 4 жыл бұрын

I would climb after passing one another at merge. JF is good and sharp.

@einsaan 4 жыл бұрын

That first dog fight tho.... MAN!!!! Awesome.

@BigBrother4Life 4 жыл бұрын

OMG! guys , you are great. I really enjoyed it. JF17 is a good fighter and that's first time I've seen a JF in action in a dog fight in a virtual world. Keep it up. From Pakistan. Could you also do a JF Vs. Rafale?

@InXLsisDeo 4 жыл бұрын

The Rafale won't be modeled on DCS World, like all 4.5 and 5th generation fighters. Too strategic to give their secrets away.

@Deepakyadav-jk5km 3 жыл бұрын

Its be like donkey-cart vs Lamborghini

@n0nac481 3 жыл бұрын

@@Deepakyadav-jk5km lmao the donkey cart that is better than f-18, f-15, f-5, f-14, and even going to become better than f-16 in dogfighting with block 3 for half the price? Keep on dreaming. Continue to destroy your economy by killing and marginalizing your huge muslim, dalit, and christian population so that Pakistan will get ahead in the next 20 years lol. Oh and when your 40 year old tejas project fails then give Macron or Putin a call to give you their jets because you cant make any.

@sidv4615 2 жыл бұрын

@@n0nac481 did Pakistan make Jeff on it’s own?

@A7XKoRnRocks1 2 жыл бұрын

@@Deepakyadav-jk5km The PAF did an excercise with Qatar I believe, recently and they have Rafales so we know about Rafales inside out :)

@adnank4 4 жыл бұрын

Waiting for JF-17 Block 3 with AESA Radar.

@musakhan_19 4 жыл бұрын

Love the JF-17! I really am a fan of it! Here in Pakistan day and night they are flying! I live near the airport and it feels so good to hear their loud noise. So glad to see this become a part of DCS now! Looking forward to some cool GR missions with the it!

@onlygaming8106 4 жыл бұрын

Do more of these dogfight i really love watching them

@WaqasAhmad-je9dn 4 жыл бұрын

Played honestly in the last. . Appreciate

@omgsam7185 4 жыл бұрын

"I can see the ice cap melting behind that thing!" I laughed my ass off on that. The RD 93A is gassy as ever.

@MeatVision 4 жыл бұрын

Fun video, great content Cap

@slow9573 4 жыл бұрын

Good fun. Thanks for the vid

@mohsinalibutt8123 4 жыл бұрын

Some guys flying in JF17 were using it for the first time...and some even did not know where the buttons are...

@gigas27 4 жыл бұрын

What a blast. Great video

@TheDM3002XTuber 4 жыл бұрын

They should enter the fight in the optimal turn speed. In the vid in one go's super fast and the other more or less at optimal turn speed. Gives funny results...

@Dave_ess 4 жыл бұрын

Need a vid of you explaining the “snap” Cap. (or we can just brand it the “Cap Snap”) I’m not aware of it and would love to learn it, As it seems it might be imperative in beating that thunder once in awhile

@grimreapers 4 жыл бұрын

Roger, I'm no expert but will speak to a real pilot and get something together.

@nicholash3657 4 жыл бұрын

Hello Cap! I have just downloaded DCS and I am new to flight sims. Thanks to you (and GS) I found this game and have been dying to play it for a while now. I built a new computer and I’m wondering what it takes to flying with you guys if that’s possible. Ty for your videos I enjoy them a lot keep it up!

@bjwonsite 4 жыл бұрын

head to our website - www.grimreapers.net and follow the link to discord and you can then come fly in our servers and get to know us all.

@ghostviggen 4 жыл бұрын

What it takes? What is your soul worth? 😉

@nicholash3657 4 жыл бұрын

[GR] Obi Thanks I’ll hopefully be all set up soon!

@PHILMKD95 4 жыл бұрын

My name's Jeff Sorry i just had to XD

@PashtoNaat. 4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha Amazing

@ahsamullahkhan3925 3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha i swear i went for the same

@richieismyhero 4 жыл бұрын

I wonder how a fight between the F20 tigershark and the JF17 would turn out?

@OverlordAntares 4 жыл бұрын

F-20 was near an F-16's turning ability, so just have an F-16 fight it.

@onenerdarmy 4 жыл бұрын

Lighter than F-16 but similar energy kinematics. F-20 a little less gas which helps with ACM but hurts dogfight endurance. Less frontal drag than F-16, smaller profile, so potentially superior acceleration in a number of flight regimes. An F-20 with the Super Hornet F414 would be a really potent weapon however, as that extra 4,300 lbs of thrust is almost an entire J85's worth of extra power, and a J85 is what our DCS F-5E has. Would be a rocket.

@sheevpalpatine80 4 жыл бұрын

@Zayed Haroon One can say the Gripen is the spiritual successor to the F-20, being a low cost plane powered by a derivative of the same engine.

@jackroutledge352 4 жыл бұрын

Zayed Haroon what are the differences between the blocks? Weapons?

@huzairmumtaz10 4 жыл бұрын

@@jackroutledge352 many upgrades to the plane, including AESA radar, HMD, RD93 might be replaced with a Chinese engine and few more changes

@alanOHALAN 4 жыл бұрын

really enjoy the video! big fan of the JF-17 here.

@grimreapers 4 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@kiingAli 4 жыл бұрын

superb got yourself a new subscriber

@kibathemechanic4967 4 жыл бұрын

26:47 That line is gold! I couldn't make it out, but what did Chicken say to elicit such a fantastic retort?

@greggaunt1563 4 жыл бұрын

Loved that second F14 dogfight.

@BCSchmerker 4 жыл бұрын

+GrimReapersAtomic *I noticed that none of the Aggressor pilots chose the McDonnellDouglas F-15C or the Sukhoi-27M.* The CAC/PAC JF-17 broke even against the Lockheed Martin F-16C and the Avions Marcel Dassault Breguet Mirage 2000; had the advantage on the McDonnellDouglas F-18C, Grumman Iron Works F-14B, and Mikojan-Gurjevich-29P.

@hassan-gk3wt 4 жыл бұрын

13.50 the missiles pass by 😍🤩🤩

@AllinOne-zx7wj 3 жыл бұрын

So its not only the jet but pilot also matters

@tatenapier25 4 жыл бұрын

This is what I was waiting for kick its @#$ Reapers I enjoy watching u guys good vid

@abbzmalik538 4 жыл бұрын

Love the JF17

@naj4352 4 жыл бұрын

Lovely video as always. JF17 performed quite good.

@jerrodcorey25 4 жыл бұрын

1st Tomcat pilot was EMBARRASSINGLY BAD!!!!

@eatthisvr6 4 жыл бұрын

lol

@sultanmehmoodghaznavi6312 4 жыл бұрын

WoW! Loved it!

@ronbaker6510 4 жыл бұрын

Loved it thanks

@thepakistantimeswithfarooq1105 4 жыл бұрын

it was gr8 to watch a dogfight. no matter what was the result or who was the pilot. simply gr8.🖒🖒

@PashtoNaat. 4 жыл бұрын

Great job guys

@thezofamilychannel7204 4 жыл бұрын

Could you do a video of your JF17 vs a sukoi.

@kenreckless9845 4 жыл бұрын

Adding helmet mounted sights and modern Fox 2s would make these BFM serials much, much quicker...

@MorganMR2 4 жыл бұрын

"please don't sonic boom me" Burnt Face Man (for the plebs and kiddies who don't know)

@grimreapers 4 жыл бұрын

Someone got it!! x

@kibathemechanic4967 4 жыл бұрын

I would think that the smoky engine, I assume an RD-33, would be a disadvantage for the JF-17(Jeff)?

@Muhammadsalman-hl4ks 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, jf17 in disadvantage bcoz its engine

@jowenjv4463 4 жыл бұрын

Rd-93

@uzairkhokhar7145 4 жыл бұрын

this issue has been resolved in newer blocks

@samakun6461 4 жыл бұрын

idk why they have used that engine in dcs because even the real jf block 1 is getting engine replacement and the 2nd block didnt have smoke prob

@jodijaanify 4 жыл бұрын

block 3 is out..no more smoke.

@bennettlahn8698 4 жыл бұрын

Are the JF-17 audio cues final? They seem very obnoxious as they are currently, even if they are useful.

@Aardvark892 4 жыл бұрын

Why use missiles at all? Guns, Guns, Guns, baby! Wait... Never mind. Now that I watched it I get it.

@scottygdaman 4 жыл бұрын

Fun stuff you guys ever do an a.a. frigate vs planes?

@CanadianDad73 4 жыл бұрын

Lol. I thought that was an F5 but it's a MiG 28 - LMAO

@MegaAdam747 4 жыл бұрын

It got better missiles recently and the block 3 jf17 will soon be inducted in Pakistan air force which has got aesa radar Helmet mounted display and better payload

@rocketknight228 4 жыл бұрын

Guys, try to disengage efc of j17, you will be surprised: 25-29 deg/sec turn is possible within 250-300kn. And never drop below 180-200kn.

@grimreapers 4 жыл бұрын

wow that's amazing!

@rocketknight228 4 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers UPDATE: looks like the anvantage had been removed in last update, is better now to have efc on)

@Art-mv8ti 4 жыл бұрын

Jf 17 block 3 best dog fighter

@14nm12 4 жыл бұрын

超魔改版mig21，最后的也是最强的二代机

@Rebellious1984 3 жыл бұрын

Funniest part... Do we have a A-10 available here. GR: No, they take too long to get to the Battlefield @17:15

@sishfaq8957 3 жыл бұрын

Hope to see jf 17 blk 3 in action soon and then again we can have a combat again.. waiting

@bandit1797 4 жыл бұрын

Cap I have the hornet viper and hog thinking about getting the jf17 is it worth it or is it really similar to one of those?

@grimreapers 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing piece of tech, lots of ability, easy to use. Not as immersive/satisfying as 14/16/18

@farhanhassan1288 4 жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers thnx from pakistan for fair views. I loved to see jf 17

@farhanhassan1288 4 жыл бұрын

Wait for 3 months we are launching JF 17 block 3 use that one lolzzz

@ahsamullahkhan3925 3 жыл бұрын

The USAF based tomcats and eagles are extremely great jets. As a pakistani, i would say its not as good as the newer jets of the time BUT it's getting better and better by time. Jf 17 is extremely lethal now but can definitely improve alot. Inshallah, it will make pakistanis proud just as the f 16s and tomcats and a10s make Americans really proud. I cannot stop but admire the a10s and tomcats, they're literally amazing. I had sweared to god if the pakistani airforce had bought a few a 10s i would have packed the bags and would have set off for the risalpur base. A10s are love ❤

@Skyfighter64 4 жыл бұрын

I am honestly surprised how badly the Hornet did, but only partially. I've read interviews with Top Gun aggressors, who say that the instantaneous turn rate of the Hornet is good, but you can't park it in a 3G turn and stay there like you could on some other aircraft (I think the hotrod A-4's they used).

@stephenfowler4115 4 жыл бұрын

It will take some time to learn its strength and weaknesses

@alexbuss3377 4 жыл бұрын

You should have pilots of equal skill level flying the planes they’re best in. Because no tomcat pilot goes below 250 knots in a dogfight.

@exiletsj2570 4 жыл бұрын

Not really fair considering the jefs been out 10 minutes, alsoI’m sure the jef pilots made lots of errors.

@AhmedMujtabaChang 4 жыл бұрын

It was ridiculous to see Jef at 400+ knots and Tomcat at 250 knots when they merged

@atifyousaf952 4 жыл бұрын

Oh the tea is fantastic

@nametheanimal6642 4 жыл бұрын

Loved it

@FoxtrotDeltazulu 4 жыл бұрын

Wow super intense!!!

@DLEGION666 4 жыл бұрын

short version ?

@Rhinozherous 4 жыл бұрын

It would be nice to see a "Grim Reapers react to Topgun 2 trailer" video!

@richieismyhero 4 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same

@armughansohail3351 4 жыл бұрын

@@richieismyhero do it

@YamahaYBR125Pakistan 4 жыл бұрын

Which DCS is this?

@muhammadharis1186 4 жыл бұрын

Perfect

@AthenaSaints 3 жыл бұрын

22:22 F-16 has been around since I was a kid. Cannot believe it is still kicking some serious a$$.

@PanaGringoBarefootBass 3 жыл бұрын

OK fellas....just ordered a Dell Alienware R2 and trying to find a joystick. I'm in Central America where things can be hard to find sometimes. Been watching for a couple of years. QUESTION: What would be a good starter module??

@grimreapers 3 жыл бұрын

F-15/Su-27 if new to sims, F16/18 if experienced.