American breeders have always bred for a size and cosmetic not function

It's why I want a VEO (Eastern european shepherd)

​Check out RMD Shepherds based in Toronto, Canada. We are based in Seattle, USA. Purely VEOs from bred from working lines from eastern Europe. We bought one our girl from them 6 months ago. They have puppies available now​@@alfatejpblind6498

My GSD female has a straight back, I am so glad that she doesn't have this crippling issue.

This only applies to showline GSDs. Working Line GSDs don't generally have these issues.

That’s because they do. Have you ever noticed that nature creates beauty (wolf for example) and man creates hideous abominations (frenchies, pugs, crippled German Shepards)

Same, i just don't understand why they had to change them, they were perfect the way they were.

The OG Chow looks more or less like every generic Chow mutt in our shelters 10-20 years ago. Soooo cute!

I like the working line GSD more than old breed, but agree about all the others

Me too….they do the same thing in the horse world….they divide what “looks good” to the people with zero consideration as to how FD up it makes the animal.

Generational abuse

All breeding for “pure breeds” is abuse generic diversity isnt a suggestion

Generational animal abuse

Because that's what it is

I guess it's kind of like how foot binding was considered attractive in China back in the day.

It's to exaggerate that pose they do. Stupid though, they look like frogs. I hate show dogs.

​@@Smithpolly that practise had to do more with the fact that it made impossible for a woman to be independent as she could barely walk, so she was easier to control for the man in her family.

@@maxpaoo That may well be but it was still considered to be desirable and attractive back in the day.

@@maxpaoo You are referring to *one of* the feminist perspectives of foot binding, but that doesn't mean that was the majority cause of the phenomenon. Even before foot binding, smaller feet were considered more "dainty" and attractive, and this carried into foot binding. The gait of women with bound feet caused smaller steps and a sway that was considered to be attractive to men. There were further myths that said it caused different smells, heavier thighs, and tighter parts. There's even another, almost opposite feminist perspective that argues that foot binding let women have pride in the "mastery" over their own body. The fact that it also made women with bound feet more dependent on their family may very well be a contributing factor, but it takes a lot more evidence to say that it's "more with the fact" of making women not independent than other factors. Point being, it's very bold to say "X is *the majority reason* for Y" without qualifications or nuance.

Yep! Snub-nosed with big and high foreheads and their eyes are severely close set and their bodies are muscular but in a chunky, lumbering non functional way. They call those Rottweilers as the Serbian Rottweilers. It is sad what people are doing to dogs.

@@carlodanao8131I had to google those and I've never seen a more ugly fucked up looking dog. Like someone photoshopped a dog to look goofy.

Bad breeders create hypertypes. Good ones don’t, not many are used to seeing this anymore…

Shorter muzzles St Bernard too

I also kind of feel that Rottweilers, and any other dog shouldn't have docked tails. Dogs need their tails for body language communication.

There should be a campaign against everyone buying the deformed dogs and marketing them (like the OP) as well!!!

PETA should be doing this instead of stealing people's pets to euthanize them by force and creating bad vegan games of popular franchises

@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 how is not going after the judges not doing anything?? they would vote based on a healthy dog... strange.

​@@andyabel3072 Going after the judges can help to some degree, but it is much more difficult to justify writing into law and enforcing rules for individual contests than to write into law that all dog breeders must undertake xyz steps for the benefit of the dog's health. And when breeding the jury's preferred stupid ideas becomes illegal, the jury has no way around it. If someone wins with a recently bred dog that breaks the rules then the breeder can often be trackes down. While setting up rules for the jury gives breeders more space to get around/avoid those rules.

​@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004The rule that made public headlines in my country, and generally made anyone who cared happy, is that all dogs regardless of breed must have a nose length of at least 1/3rd of the sideview of their head. I think a transition period might still be going on, but soon enough at least all the dogs bred here should have a decent nose to breathe through!

Inbreeding will do that

Even in show stack, the difference is obvious.

Out of all those the healthiest is the West Highland terrier and all the ones I know of here in Ireland are very active dogs until their deaths.

Out of all those the healthiest is the West Highland terrier and all the ones I know of here in Ireland are very active dogs until their deaths.

It's actually "shepherd". As is a human shepherd. Herder of sheep. Don't know what a "sheppard" is.

@@weallmakechoices7456I guess you never make a spelling mistake do you

@@weallmakechoices7456 not everybody has English as their native language. let people make mistakes.

@@Myella1703it’s not a spelling mistake, it’s clearly a misunderstanding of how it’s spelt.

@@spook6394 "Clearly a misunderstanding of how it's spelt" My friend that is still a spelling mistake. Not knowing how a word is spelt and spelling it wrong is quite literally a spelling mistake.

Can you give the name of the breeder? I am very interested in Dobbermans but I am very concerned about DCM that a lot of them get.

As a lover of Doberman's , thank her for me. 👍🇨🇦

@@XDWX I won't put her name on here, but she is located in the state of Mississippi. I don't know if she is listed under the American kennel club listings for breeders or not. just ask a lot of questions before you buy a puppy. Ask the breeder everything you want to know and if they won't answer you then move on. Every breed has its inherent issues and there's never 100% guarantee but at least try to find breeders that are decent and that actually care about their dogs. it's tough nowadays.

@@XDWX Talking about the heart issue? All of them have it to some degree because the original founder of the breed liked a certain dog and bred multiple females to him and didn't know that the stud dog carried the genetic variant of DCM.

Beauty of a Dog should definitely not be based on these standards that the AkC has made up but rather their natural appearance and how healthy they look. Sadly the AKC hasn't been that way in decades

If a dog is going to do something cute it must be natural like a Glen of Imal terrier sit.

If a dog is going to do something cute it must be natural like a Glen of Imal terrier sit.

Could always just hire a dog for social media like a normal person.

I think the issue is that most people don't do good, hard and fun work anymore and their dogs likewise suffer

On the contrary, social media is making room for videos just like this one, calling out bad breeding trends. These breeds all came from a tiny, insular communities of rich weirdos breeding animals for contrived aesthetics. The fact you even have an opinion on dog breeding is a sign of that change.

Especially cruelty.

I hate people

There's two sides to this problem; Vendor(aka breeder) - willing to warp the entire biological development of a species for profit Customers, Showrunners, etc - Willing to warp the entire biological development of a species for their own arbitrary and selfish wants. This video also leaves out that all "purebred" animals have a higher risk of health issues.

Money = survival in our heads. If food was scarce like it was before, I'm sure we would be killing each other or more for food. Were at the point in humanity where we have a lot of problems to solve while the common person tries to live like we're in a world where violence isn't needed, but here we are, suffering. Because of the few at the top.

Money isn't real, we are cruel entirely by choice

I agree. The AKC is certainly not my favorite organization and they proclaim they care so much about dogs; they do not care about dogs at all. If they did, they would not allow many of these dogs in the show ring and they certainly wouldn't reward these horrible changes by "putting those dogs up" (where they win their class, best of breed, etc.). They would not tolerate such breeding practices (instead of rewarding these breeding practices). And they would certainly not tolerate cosmetic surgery (such as ear cropping and tail docking) for the breeds, but when is the last time you saw a Great Dane with natural ears "win" anything in the show ring in the United States? That rarely, if ever, happens. So judges need to shoulder some of the blame, as well. Cropping ears and docking tails has so many repercussions for the dog (like, other dogs are often unable to read their body language because the ears are cropped or the tail is totally missing and this can cause aggression between the dogs). The ONLY excuse for cropping ears or docking tails should be medical necessity (we actually had a Great Dane come through rescue that had an extremely infected tail which ended up having to be removed--traditional and aggressive antibiotic treatment was unsuccessful and it was either get rid of the tail or the dog died; so we had the tail removed)

Yep

Not just in America. Poor dogs. People have a lot to answer for

The AKC is a registry body, they guarantee the purity of the breeding. They do not control how you breed, that's on the individual.

@@mare6419 Your response is absolutely true. The AKC is a registration body. However, the also recommend breeders and they are in charge of many dog shows. They could help a great deal by ensuring that breeders adhere to some standard before recommending them (it's my understanding that just about anyone can get signed up to be a "recommended breeder" with the AKC, you just have to breed a lot of puppies. Do let me know if I am mistaken). They also control dog shows and can deny breeds entry if the breeders are harming those breeds. Yes, they'll loose money if they do that. But if they truly cared about dogs, they'd be willing to miss a few dollars now and again. But they aren't.

So closer to the originals

So closer to the originals

Man i love chow chows! But right there is why ive been wary to get one. If you wouldn't mind sending me a link to ur breeders, thatd be awesome!

never heard of something like that on that breed nowadays, amazing. please support that bussiness

@@chelliebear4 id love to recommend the breeder I used, but it unfortunately seems they retired. So im sadly researching for a new breeder myself

In the large picture, other than breeding that HORRIBLE SLOPE in the back rear, the problem is NOT the breed. It's the OWNERS who perceive the breed to be aggressive and use EVIL training methods.

I agree @BR-dn7hw! Working as a vet nurse over many years it was very hard to have to be correcting these “human improvements”. Coping with animals struggling to breathe, see and even walk due to people thinking it looks cute, beautiful or whatever with complete disregard for the animals potential suffering leaves me aghast! ❤🐾🐾🥰

Seriously? They have been talking about this for as long as I can remember and I'm 70.

People have been talking about this mess for decades

@@truecynic1270 you would be surprised with working line GS. Esp the direct imported dogs from Germany. They are bred to guard property and herd livestock. One of their traditional jobs was to guard property while the owner wasn't home. The working line GS are far more serious about this than the showline ones.

Actual cripples

$$$

@@Rick-pr4bc not an excuse. It’s morally wrong, and makes you less than human to do these things. Literally condemning generations of dogs to suffering their whole lives

​@@indoorkite651 Money doesn't justify it at all, but they're right in that it's why. Some people will throw all morals out the window if cash is involved.

Agreed 💯

As a working lines owner, I agree.

My German Shepherd is a working bloodlines from the East and the West

If I ever get my own place I'm getting a working Shepherd pup. They're amazing dogs and total lovebugs to their person and respectful kids. And yeah, I know that they're a lot of work and need good training but they're worth every minute of it and I look forward to playing fetch with every slobber drenched tennis ball. ❤

I have two working-line German Shepherds and I agree 100%. It's frustrating to see the exaggerated slopes. Luckily some breeders are refusing to breed for that but it's getting sadly more common. Hopefully, we can go back to where they were healthier and more functional, as they were originally bred to be.

Not all related to sloped backs though. We had a German Shepherd who had degenerative myelopathy. It’s caused by a genetic mutation rather than bad skeletal mechanics.

@@Dreyno not all caused by the hunchback but it is a major health problem and increases the risk of things such as hip dysplasia. The hunchback is a deformity that significantly affects how their body works and functions - of course to varying degrees. In fact germany has just strengthened a law to ban the breeding of these characteristics

@@lolimapotato I wasn’t disagreeing but rather pointing out that the breed’s figures for musculoskeletal problems are boosted by things unrelated to unethical breeding.

@@Dreyno The reason many dog breeds have common genetic issues is because of inbreeding. So, while it's not directly related to breeding for aesthetics, it's still caused by unethical breeding.

@@akumjh Not necessarily. A genetic mutation isn’t inherent. It’s not a trait that people have bred towards for a goal. It’s just a mutation. When it’s discovered, it can be hard to breed out of the population because it doesn’t occur as a matter of course. Ethics aren’t the issue. The vagaries of life is.

I do aww since the animals themselves(the person/personality) are perfect! It is not their fault that they were deformed. The IDEA is ugly.

my sister was given a pug as a birthday gift. we all loved him dearly. it is sad though that their beed is prone to health issues but many live long, healthy lives.

​@@Jungaloowi333yeah. Do not give pets as gifts. They are a commitment for several decades.

@@Freaky0Nina that's true. my sister wasn't even able to care for him. my mom and I did. unfortunately, our pug died recently. it sent me in the worst depression ever. didn't think it would hurt to lose an animal like this

I don't know how people find pugs cute.

Plus, many of those afterlooks are disgusting and un-aesthetic.

I could not agree more !

@@evy684 I would get rid of “show line” in its entirety. Working line and Pet line. Working line judged on temperament, health and function. Pet line judged on temperament, health and companionship. Looks are totally unimportant, exaggerated physical traits must be abandoned. Scrub it KC, start again.

@@biggeordie245 Exactly ! I love dogs shows,sports and anything in between. Dog’s health should be the very first thing you think of if you are breading dogs. And what they were bred for in the first place. But none of this will change completely, until the AKC does the same thing. Get judges who believe in health and function first. AKC is supposed to be totally for the dog. Well they need to remember that !

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First of all, THE JUDGES at the dog shows. As long as THEY give BiS to the worst dogs, that's how breeding will be!! In my opinion no dog would be the winner of a class, without a veterinarian's final opinion. Unfortunately, for pugs it has gone too far, the genome for a healthy dog is LITERALLY gone in the purebred dogs (genetics are tested) and the only way to save the breed is to cross breed with healthy and long faced dogs. The brachycephaly affects the muzzle, skull and the vertebrae too, and only a very long time of strictly selected breeding will correct this problem. Sometimes you can hear that a Retro Pug is a cross between Pug and Jack Russel, which isn't true. It is a serious way to restore the Pug to what it was before humans decided to destroy the breed. Look at photographs from 1890-1910. There were a few Pugs that were brachycephalic, but the majority had a snout, and a healthy agile body. This is the goal. You can often hear that Pugs are calm couch potatoes, which is easy to believe, when you see the overweight snoring animals with difficulties just with walking. Give the Pugs a fresh body, and foremost, free airways, and you will find the opposite. In Germany a serious breeding for a healthy purebred Pug has been going on for many decades, and managed to get a Pug with a visible snout (but not what you could call good enough to get rid of the breathing issues completely), and back problems are relatively rare, the 'Altdeutsche Mops, meaning 'Old German Pug'. (Hence the breeding for a solid Retro Pug has been most successful in Germany, where a large part is done when this type is very often used for breeding Retro Pugs.) Furthermore, it's not only Jack Russell Terriers, it's more often the variety with longer legs, Parson Russell but also other terriers, such as Patterdale. Beagle, Miniature Pinscher and the Danish-Swedish Farm Dog (Dansk-Svensk gårdshund) (not common outside these countries, but a healthy dog, in looks resembles much to Parson Russell, but not so extremely energized as Jack and Parsons can be). All those breeds are relatively healthy (not many breeds are!) have a long head and long muzzle, have 'well designed' body types and have a little different temper, that all together can contribute to the remaining of the original Pug energy and humorous mindset. After all, it's only a different body the Pug needs, not a new mentality. Don't immediately believe them who say a Pug-mix is a Retro Pug. To be in the breeding program a series of tests are done, overlooked by veterinarians, the breathing (running) is measured, a whole body X-ray is done (skull, throat, elbows, spine (studying every vertebra very thoroughly), hips and hocks) and no physical deformation is allowed on the skull, throat or back, hips a B is OK, and the same kind of status on the rest. So, ask that person if itself or the Pug parent is tested. If not, it's not a Retro Pug. It's a cross or mixed breed.

For dog already born we can't, but for future generation it is possible in theory. Breeders would need to select healthiest individuals and revert the horribly forced features. Like take the Shepherds with the straightest back and/or smallest weight every generation and breed them until eventually in 100-200 year we would revert to their original looks. Another way that is faster would be hybridation. Want a dog that looks like a German Shepherd but with less back problem ? Breed a regular German shepherds with a similar dog breed that have a better health (Husky or Border Collie for example) and you will get a super cute healthier cross-breed puppy ! On your scale, if you ever adopt a dog, prioritize shelters or eventually your neighbor's friend's relative whose dog got a litter but avoid breeders, especially the ones that produce pure-breed dogs.

@@alexiadauvergne1903 there are responsible pure-bred breeders, and not every breed is a blaring case of animal cruelty. I also don't mind people wanting a specific breed for their use, temperament, or look, but if your choice is a fucking pug-like disaster, you definitely deserve some violating🤛 You gotta do research and nitpick, not just apply pack-think yourself and hate EVERYONE in the group

​@@Lilian040210 Pure breed is nonsense, truth be told. It causes a lot of issues.

Also their eyes are prone to falling out

@@Lilian040210WTF..

vets almost purely see backyard bred dogs.

@@kate_likes-horses6626yeah, because good breeders don't take their dogs to the vets?... if anything one could argue they likely see more well bred dogs as they are more likely to be taken care of properly and more thoroughly checked...

Yeah, you expect sickly non-functional malformed dogs to come from puppy bills. But these are coming from million dollar show lines. Makes it even worse. They are purposely bred to look like that. Disgusting.

It is the show lines. Working lines usually will not have that slope. I have never owned one with a slope and never would. Personally, I think it is cruel.

@@hisservants8003 Any dog in a 3 point stack will have a "slope". I can literally put my well bred APBT in a 3 point stack and he will have a "sloped" back. Please look up 3 point stacks. There's no such thing as "straight back" and "sloped back" these are terms used by uneducated animal rights activists to get naive people to believe their lies.

@@hisservants8003I was shocked to hear this woman say that she disagrees with the slope and thinks they should stop but at the same time she’s bought a Osa who has a sloped back. Why support the industry if it’s cruel??

@@mr.mayonnaise5488 Honestly it's pretty tough to get the 'perfect' GSD these days. Your options are either show lines or working lines. Show lines have physical deformities (in my opinion) even in their healthy dogs (hocks look awful) BUT working lines aren't perfect either and aren't suitable for everyone. If you buy a working line GSD as a pet, then chances are you're compromising on temperament. Working line breeders are selling their dogs for work (often security/police) and will send their most confident puppies there. That leaves the more anxious puppies to be sold as pets. I have a WL GSD who was a VERY anxious puppy (and still is sometimes) but also still has the same energy and drive that she was bred for. Caring for and training a high drive dog is a heck of a lot of work and it doesn't suit everyone's lifestyle, which is why lots of people purchase show lines even if they don't necessarily agree with the conformations they're breeding.

To me that's not a bad backyard breeder . Backyard breeders I know do it for the $$$ :( and now it's horrible because the designer dogs

When people say backyard breeder they aren’t talking about people like you. Ironically, some of these breeders who are AKC approved could be considered backyard, since they just pump out litters with the bare minimum of health testing and a lot only show to get their dog the “champion” title (can be done in a few shows in about a year) so they can charge more, then never show that dog again once it’s in the breeding program. Your parents were not like this, and sound like healthy working line breeders! 🥰

Your Mum sounds like a sensible person, thats awesome she kept true to what was better overall

''backyard breeder'' isn't literal, it means people who breed animals for profit, without taking into consideration their health and quality of life. which means they have way too many litters, don't do health testing, don't socialize their puppies etc. there's enough dogs in the world, breeding should have the purpose of bettering the breed, not having more dogs around

GSDs barely make it to ten if they don't have good breeding like you say.

There's a person I knew who wanted to get into breeding Pomskies (Husky/Pomeranian). The husky she picked out was cute and well-tempered but had known hip-dysplasia. I was pretty upset about that . . . Same person also bred working line German Shepherds and Malinois. Her puppies where often sick and she tried to use some of those pups to continue her breeding programs. Pups that grew up to have Megaesophagus and Cryptorchidism. Infuriating.

@osathegermanshepherd I'm from NZ and I know a guy who owns two highly trained dogs, a Malanois and a Doberman. Both appear very healthy, I think they are working line dogs. He competes with them doing that police dog style stuff where they attack a guy with a big protective thing on his arm. They are extremely agile and athletic. It seems some of these breeds still have lines that are healthy and built for doing work. Same with Border Collies. We are a farming nation and there's tons of working line Border Collies here, they look so different to them show line ones. Shorter hair, funny markings over their eyes, and full of manic energy. The show line ones seem impractical and high maintenance.

​@@Patrick-857 here in the US they just care about the dollars. There may be a few breeders who care about the breed(s), but they're the exception. I'm a vet, I see this all the time. She's spot on in her description about the dogs being bred to be miserable. Greed has ruined a lot of dog breeds

Most dogs have to be sedated when they have a breathing tube in their nose. Not flat faced dogs , they love it cause they can finally breath almost normal and that's really sad. Some even get depressed when you take it out and they realize the relief wasn't permanent. All just for a perceived "cuteness". Screw that , I'd rather have a happy healthy "ugly dog" thats genes haven't been bottlenecked so bad that its surprising it survived at all. Tons of people abandon their pure breed dogs at the park near me cause they can't/won't address their medical needs. I literally pay a rent sized retainer fee to a vet center so I can get them all taken care of. Its heart breaking and the dogs don't deserve to go through not only being miserable but also given up on and abandoned like garbage.

Only "good" way to have such a dog is by adopting one of them from a refuge, imho. The dog has a shitty health, might as well offer them a good and loving family. But I'll never understand the people who BUY (or those who breed) these poor dogs...

Osa's breeder said her longest living dogs get to about 13 years old. That's not too bad but it should also be longer.

@@osathegermanshepherd a dog lifespan is never long enough.

Breeding good guard dogs is something communism did right. Form to function.

My niece had a direct descendant of East German Stasi police dogs. She had a nice straight back! Loavely, goofy, and healthy dog! I have a very healthy mixed breed mutt.

Yes, they still breed traditional German shepherds in East Germany and take great pride in preserving the breed. (I'm an American in East Germany.)

Fortunately there are still many, many healthy Siamese cats. Cats just haven’t been messed around as much as dogs, and Siamese are such a popular breed that not all have been screwed up like those in the show circuit. I’ve had a couple of Siamese in the past, and they were very healthy, full of personality and mischief. Love them! The worst trends now seem to revolve around “munchkin” cats, and wild hybrid pets. Neither should even exist!

@@averycheesypotato Yes, thank you. You're correct. Our dear "Tiki" (Hughes Mews Joy of Devon) was a modified wedge. She was beautiful and sassy! Lived to be 17-1/2. Four years after her death I still miss her.

Siamese cats are SUPPOSED to look lanky and thin (similar to the cats in the lady and the tramp). They are NOT intended to be ‘round’ and ‘strong bodied’

@@marrmaladee who or what determines what they are “supposed” to look like? The original Thai cats did not then & do not now have such extreme features- after the cats were brought to Europe & North America in the 19th century, breeders sought to exaggerate their appearance through selective breeding. This increased their popularity as “purebreds,” hence their appearance in the media (like Lady & the Tramp)

​@@marrmaladeethe modern show Siamese cat looks immanciated compared to the old type. They have a slender build but not the sharp triangle head and ultra thin body of today. Old type was prettier and looked like a healthy cat.

There's some people doing this 😊 I worry that it won't catch on until shows change though

Theres a pug project thats breedinf pugs back to their older, more functional selves and uhg. They're so cute!

Hopefully it becomes the "cool new thing" to adopt from a shelter/rescue.

Go look for working bloodlines then. They're still out there.

How does one find these breeders? Are these considered “heritage”?

Then you should know that the AKC doesn't set the standard, the breed clubs do.

Yes...like the cavalier that won years back who had that horrible brain condition that is 1000 times the pain of a migraine!!!!! Disgusting!! Years ago....I worked for a breeder/vet...who know judges and he was unethical to the enth degree!!!!

We cant just blame the breeders and judges, we need to blame the buyers even more. If they don't buy those dogs, the breeding will quickly come to an end.

Not the AKC. It's the individual breed clubs

@@down2this754 And yet it's the AKC's judges that select the dogs that start the trends.

Why anyone would want to make a dog look like a hyena is beyond me. To breed them deliberately to be crippled is pure evil.

Evil is correct

​@@mtgigi I get what you're saying, but they'd honestly be better off looking like a hyena than their current appearance.. Hyenas after all are fully functional animals that don't suffer from their weird structure. Then again hyenas' sloping backs are caused by the back legs being shorter than the front, not by having full length legs bent like frog legs behind a deformed back and bad hips. (And yes, frogs are functional too, before anyone can point that out 😆) Lots of different structures can work and even be beautiful in their own ways, but it needs to be developed through physical use and natural selection for their function rather than for how it looks to the eye. Kind of like how some monkeys have snuff noses but none of the issues that brachycephalic dogs have.

not just labs. look at (my favorite breed) the Austrailian Cattle Dog.. the specimens I see in dog shows have short thick muzzles and are way too stocky. would never make it all day in the field working live stock. Not a fan of AKC breeding and the way this goes. guess I'd really love to see who the 'they' is that makes these decisions that 'this' or 'that' characteristic is popular.

@@kurtbecker9609AKC ACDs are weird looking. I have 3 (same breeder, different litters) and they’re fairly slim (still stocky) and look like dingos. If you put them up against a show dog, they’d run circles around it

I should be clear that I think breeding for behavioral differences or energy level differences is entirely valid. Labs are often service animals, and those lines tend to be a lot more chill and couch-potato compared to hunting lines or search and rescue working Labs. But in 1991 (I think) the AKC actually set a new limit on the lower height of show Labs because they saw that line getting shorter and shorter. It upset a lot of bench breeders because they lost money on their short breeding stock. The AKC did a good thing there, and I hope they will continue to adjust breed standards for the health and wellbeing of all dogs.

@@coor0kun Ironically the service dog trainers now breed their own dogs because they couldn't find the suitable ones out there. Esp the big time trainers.

@TedH71 Yes, I love service line Labs! Absolutely the perfect balance of athlete and intelligent companion IMHO! My first Lab waaay back was a guide dog dropout from one of those programs, so I'm biased in favor of *any* service-bred line of any breed.

It's not that they outlawed those breeds specifically in another comment. They said that they made it law that the dog's nose must be one third of the length of the width of its head. Those breeds specifically have been bred for flat faces. So they don't meet that minimum nose to head ratio requirement.

​@@aftersexhighfivesexactly they made that law that dogs could breath and bee healthy and not suffer from severe health problems

There is no problem whatsoever with keeping the breeds pure, as there are populations large enough to prevent inbreeding depression. All these problems in the video are caused by selectively breeding for those problems, because relatively recently. some dumbass judges ruled it "looked better".

Wow so that explains why all the Australian Shepherds I've ever seen have been absolutely irredeemable psychos. Being Aussie myself, I loathe that they have our country's name while not having originated in Australia.

I mean, I would be pretty crazy too if my brain was twenty percent too large for my head cavity.

Thats exactly how they should look !

It's really sad. My shelter mutt wanted to play with a Pug friend. The poor Pug couldn't breathe and was exhausted after a few minutes. We were also indoors, so not in the summer heat!

I'm from Czechia and yeah, this is first time seeing that weird show GS for me...

Americans just do things differently I guess.

It's very much an American thing. My husband and I are in the process of buying a GSD puppy from a breeder who specifically breeds to strengthen the American Showlines by breeding in West German Showlines. That being said, part of the photos you see are exaggerated by the "show stack" which refers to the stance GSDs are expected to take during conformation shows. That one leg back, one leg half crouched stance, plus the natural pattern of their saddles gives the illusion of utterly crippled dogs. It's like when women pop a hip out to the side, we're putting most of our weight on one leg and it changes the way our bodies look for a moment, but we can definitely still walk. 😅

As someone who is Irish all the German Shepherds I have seen have straight backs

As someone who is Irish all the German Shepherds I have seen have straight backs

I wholeheartedly agree with your grandfather, I find the current collies' mental capabilities derogatory. I used to breed show collies 20 years ago, they were intelligent, athletic dogs with a sweet and calm character. Today what I see even in no-show lines that they are constantly yipping like a pomeranian and when you look into their eyes you see only utter emptiness. I don't think that genetics is the main issue, my collies too were from English show lines. It's how people treat them. I used to do a variety of sports with them and treated them as a full-value working dogs. They competed against german shepherds and rottweilers with very good results, yet when we met a toddler who just learned to walk but wanted to walk my two adult male dogs, they were so cautious not to pull on their leash the slightest, so the boy would not fall. They did that instinctively. They were very differently intelligent than a border collie, I daresay that they surpassed them. I miss their calm and good natured demeanor.

You can still find the true Scotch Collie today. You just won't find them in show rings.

@@skyeiron5872 Unfortunately I am a very special case. I had show dogs who were very adept, kind and intelligent. Is it really such a bad thing to want both?

@@sage_silvestris I'm not sure what you mean by this? My issue with the show ring is that they _claim_ to preserve the breed, they _claim_ to want to improve the breed but their actions are in direct opposition to what they claim. I have seen the same thing happen time and again to useful, beautiful and intelligent breeds. They box them up, they floof the coat, they pick a particular eye and ear set, and face shape and all the dogs end up looking the same as each other, and all the while they do not select for temperament however much they may claim to do otherwise, they do not select for health however much they claim to do otherwise and as much as they like to wave the breed 'standard' in your face, they blatantly ignore it when it does not suit their rhetoric. In the end all you have left of what was once a stable, sweet natured, intelligent and physically varied breed, is a vapid, vacant, cookie cutter dog that is high strung more often than not and is for the most part completely useless for the task it was intended for, combined with an ever shrinking gene pool which allows for a sometimes deadly concentration of unknown nasty recessives and even progressive dominants (such as DCM in Dobermans). Essentially, the dog found in the show ring is completely unrecognizable as the breed it supposedly belongs to. Some have completely lost their ability to work, others have simply had their instincts dulled, and the unlucky few have had a 'desirable' defect bred into them by fanciers which has a negative impact on their ability to live comfortably, never mind _work._ I have absolutely no issue with the rare individual who keeps true to the breed (and I do mean the _breed,_ *not* the arbitrary 'breed standard'), but who also likes to show their dogs.

@@skyeiron5872 I completely agree with what you said, dog shows have an unhealthy competition where everything is about the owners and nothing about the dogs. That and the mindless fads turn breeds into disasers. And unfortunately it is about making money, much they like to deny. The greatest breeders live solely from breeding and that results in politics worse than we see in the parliament. Everyone has interests, but the dogs' get ignored in the end. What I meant about collies: I never met a real Scottish farm collie, but I think they are closer to border collies in temperament. What I really love in rough collies is their sophisticated and gentle behaviour, they are if the Victorian grace had been encapsulated in them. They weren't patroned by Queen Victoria for nothing. Unfortunately this gentle and kind temperament does not work well in today's brute world and collies often end up as a shy, and untrusty dogs. It really just takes a like-minded owner and proper socialisation.

This is a common misconception. Mixed breed dogs aren't inherently healthier. It's just that no one tracks the health issues of mutts. Additionally most of these dogs are just two breeds, and often have the issues of both. Adopt because you want to, not because you think you are getting something better. It's a good thing to do, but it also needs to be done for the right reasons.

I will go to an ethical breeder who proves their dogs structure, temperament, and health if I want a healthy and happy dog. Not an unpredictable shelter mutt.

I agree. Mutts are usually very healthy. We have to admit at some point that all the specialty mix breeds like the labrador/poodle, yorky/Maltese etc are essentially mutts. Look for good confirmation and attitude for any dog you take home, train them and you'll be happy.

@@down2this754 You are correct, but on average, more genetic diversity leads to less health problems. A dog of only two breeds would be called a cross, at least in the livestock world.

@@a.p.5429 Crosses, not mutts.

And they're beautiful dogs!

Yes because you are African. Africans generally do view dogs as pets like westerners do. We see animals as animals.

Cruella Devil was clearly based on the overlords of modern dog breeding standards.

I think all the older breeds look way better tho...

Yes, I agree. I've noticed this too where these dogs aren't just driven workers anymore. But they seem to have something mental going on. Real nervy and odd behaviors.

As someone that owns a working line BC/Heeler mix, I agree. Everyone was all like, "He's going to be really, really hyper! You won't be able to keep up with him!" Can he be hyper? Yeah. But some good exercise, along with some good mental stimulation, works wonders. He also has an off switch. He knows when to be calm. He's one of the most laid-back dogs I've had in my life. And from reading, that's how they are supposed to be. They aren't supposed to be these hyperactive 'demons' that everyone complains about.

We had a rescue Assie. He had an obsessive prey instinct where he could not leave alone anything living. He played with the neighbor's kittens until they died, for example. He bothered the chickens all day. The neighbors hated him and let him starve and that's why my mother's reluctant decision to take him was a "rescue". If we hadn't, he'd have been dead.

Good on the BBC!