I never thought a chat about tax could be so interesting. Very good.

Less Government is the only lucid and responsable choice for those who value liberty and freedom.

I didn't expect too much from a discussion of taxation but it was actually really fascinating. Never thought about how it was linked to important historical events

Is it racist to want your own people to survive? Why is it ok for Black/Asian etc people to collectivise and look after eachother I think thats great for them. Why are people so threatened by the native british population looking after their own people and not wanting to become a minority in their one and only homeland?

Great guest. I've read 3 of Dominc Frisby's books. He didn't mention his classic (in my opinion) Life Beyond the State. Good frank discussion on the "racist" issue haunting us all. Francis and Constantine simply weren't up to it. Too much time living in London I suspect.

My God! I found myself holding my breath too. Boy, that was just fascinating about tax and then race. The fact we don't feel we can't talk about something like race, means we do need to. And the fact that so much of it is centred on feelings. People's feelings being hurt. It's just ridiculous. I've been accused of being sexist by a woman about a simple harmless comment on KZfaq and I am a woman. It's just insane. I was brought up in a very religious family and even though I've left that religion I don't like the word cunt, and ok, I don't like it but it doesn't bother me when Francis or Konstantin use it because I know they aren't using it to demean women. Thanks again guys, because this is very thought provoking. Definately food for thought. Keep up the good work!

I live in the states. Our healthcare options are horrible here if you are not wealthy or work for a big company. I myself have not had proper health care in decades and if anything ever went really wrong, than going to the emergency room and then declaring bankruptcy to clear the terms of thousands of dollars it would cause would be my only option. Insurance companies lobbied for this. It can happen to you too.

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Bravo Mr Frisby. Great interview.

This is the best interview you’ve had since the channel started. Interesting and thought provoking from start to finish. The bit I’d really have liked to hear discussed in more detail was about how Dominic came such a cropper investing in Bitcoin. It’s understandably a sensitive issue for him, but would be fascinating to hear. If the man who wrote a book all about Bitcoin had such a disastrous experience investing in it, what hope have the rest of us got to use this as an alternative investment? He’s a clear and engaging speaker and I wish the interview had been longer. Thank you. Good job.

Genuinely one of the most interesting conversations I've seen on the channel. Not saying I agree with Dominic on everything, but I'm certainly thinking about buying his book.

The answer to racism is not politics....it is FREINDSHIP!!!!!!!

Very very good. I would like these type of questions to take place on the mainstream media.

I thought he was joking when he first said we don't talk enough about race !

Konstantin and Francis, I'm surprised at your cowardice in remaining silent about the racism question and hanging your guest out to dry.

Dominic illustrated the problem about tax and government with such skill that a fellow libertarian like me felt a slightly ill feeling in my stomach when reflecting on the state of governance.

Just remember what's being explained here worded as taxes is the power the people hold and what people can achieve

This conversation got very "real" at the end... You could hear the sphincters tightening. I agree, we should talk about the definition of the word "racist" so we don't bandy it about and smear people who may be misinformed but have no ill intent.

17:37 "But what you can't see is who own the two wallets" 18:00 "It all gets obfuscated, makes it very hard to trace" 18:26 "The amount of bitcoins that are actually used for [criminal activity] is fewer than 2%" Damned sporting of criminals to tag their wallets "criminal use" and not use bitcoins mixers thus allowing this study to be done.

"King" Pericles... Seriously...?

What the British call "friendly societies" are very similar to what Americans called "social clubs." Before government rigged the system to favor employer based health care, Americans would join the Rotary Club, the Elks Club, the Hungarian Club, and so forth, and each club would offer group health insurance to its members. Often these clubs were self-insured, so there was no profiteering on their insurance.

suddenly we can breath again... brilliant - so true... I thought he was totally off the rails until that point lol

The last 10 minutes was hilarious 😂 😂😂

Dominic Frisbee, very funny & clever

Well done guys , i so enjoy watching you both when the conversation gets slightly uncomfortable.

one of your best guests !

1 - You can track transactions through bitcoin but you can't tell why the transaction took place or between whom. 2 - Only about 2% of transactions are illegal How do we know the percentage if we don't know why they took place?

Dominic is absolutely right about bubbles; they are both inevitable and essential, the trick is to get in when you see the bubble forming that get OUT before it pops.

A great interview. Again. Superb stuff guys. Keep it up!

Brilliant discussion. Somehow it took me almost a year to find this abd i’m a fan of Dominic Frisby

Good interview Gents. Nicely done handling the ending artillery strike.

I Love Dominic! Awesome interview.

Whenever he says gold i keep breaking into song Spandau ballet style

these people that can turn subjects that are inherently considered uninteresting by regular people should have their own stories be told all over their countries

the US does have public health facilities for those who need it. There is no reason for someone not to get health care in the US. I worked as a psychologist in the public sector, and we were open to anyone with a mental illness; no one was turned away, and almost none of the patients paid anything

OMG How FF & KK have changed about their stance on self censorship. GOOD ON YA, LADS!

It would be great to have some kind of skin resistance meter on Francis the whole time so we have a visual measure of just how uncomfortable he is feeling at any one moment. The end of this episode would have buried the needle.

I couldn’t agree more with Dominic about the NHS and there we all are clapping them for doing their job!

Good to see someone on here talking about bitcoin who actually understands its value.

I learned something from watching this. I didn't realise how important tax is. I agree with less government and more individual freedom. Konstantin was right about appropriate language in how we conduct ourselves. Censorship of racist views angers indigenous people as using a person's skin colour against them was a means of expressing an inalienable superiority they felt they had. An in built advantage.

I’ve read it, it’s a good read. Very thought provoking

Informative and hilarious, thanks.

No government or tax also means no healthcare, no public roads, no public schools,... if it does not work vote out the politicians for others

Life After the State is an interesting read I highly recommend it.

KK i agree with your point about why is colour relevant . Special interest groups bring up colour all the time. Lammy, Abbott & that chap who got Alastair Stewart to resign mentions race all the time & no one pulls them up. I was told by the boss at work before an interview ' Thought I let you know, no matter how well you do you won't be getting promotion. because you don't tick the right box'. Apparently, they were under pressure from higher up. I'd be embarrassed & unworthy if I didn't get promotion on merit

Great interview. Learned a lot from it. These guys are the antithesis to Good Mythical Morning.

Thanks guys...

Another great show and really enjoyed the open discussion on racism. Thanks Dominic and cheers guys.

I feel like the more people they talk to from all different walks of life, the more they become clear in their thoughts and their confidence grows. In recent times Konstantin has become one of the clearest and most coherent commentators on social issues, including race. I think if this conversation was held again now, even with just an intervening two months, his courage of his conviction would be stronger. This is a great thing, but we're in a society which punishes free thought. 💭

Interesting conversation guys, thanks. A bloke I saw on something like Comedy Unleashed talking about the history of taxation, its relation to civilizations and wars and then the NHS...? There are a lot of well-read comedians, I now realize. Don't agree with all Dominic's points, especially on the idea of free market health care, but his point about the potential for waste is a good one, although not inextricably linked to the NHS being a publicly funded system, I think. There are a lot of good and interesting book about things like money (the idea/philosophy of it, not the physical stuff itself), taxation and-the-like, but I suspect this will be among the more interesting, given how he views and phrases things, a bit like Bill Bryson's book about the English language, Mother Tongue, which is a fantastic book. Thanks again.

I remember a decade or so back, Dominic (Frizzers)was on the Silver Thread on ADVFN. He bought a 100 Troy Ounce silver bullion bar off off me back then for £900. Well done.

Yes, tax is a subject that bores me rigid but I persevered and found it very educating. As for the jokes about the man at the football match at the end, making the comments, this is the sort of banter I heard all through the 80s and 90s when working in Fleet Street but NOBODY was exempt from having the piss taken. We all used to rib each other. It was BANTER. I used to get comments about being blonde and busty but I would give as good as I got. I also, as a Yorkshirewoman in London, got endless references to "ee baa gum", whippets, warm beer, flat caps and endless pisstakes of my pronunciation of the word "bath". We would name-call each other and rib each other endlessly about male/female characteristics, sexist jokes (about both sexes), colour would often come up in the conversation too - ALL colours and jokes perpetrated by ALL colours. This crap has gone too far. It's bizarre, insane and maniacal. The biggest "virus" in society is so called wokeism. In my opinion, these people need some serious psychiatric help. I've worked with and enjoyed friendships with people of all colours and backgrounds and the one thing we ALL had in common was that we could laugh at ourselves and each other. For God's sake people (and by "people" I mean snowflakes... GET A LIFE. Thanks you two for bringing us these refreshing podcasts. I've given up mainstream media now (actually that happened a long time ago) and learn much, much more from the likes of yourselves, Douglas Murray, Peter Hitchens, Spiked, The Spectator and so on.... Keep it up!

I think we can say that boundaries were tested!

Dominic’s point about the trivialising of racism, being replaced by sense of grievance by interest groups, leading to censorship is interesting, though I can see why all three found it difficult to talk about.

How far some people have come from such humble beginnings...

This was a juicy interview! NHS, race and finance... I think that Dominic maybe in a bit of strife though.

As for Bitcoin and crypto currencies vs Govt. trust backed "fiat" currency: Exactly how is Bitcoin NOT fiat? 1. What do you have if you can't get on the internet? 2. What do you have if you forget your password? 3. By which measure do you value Bitcoin? 4. How can one be determined to be a "Bitcoin millionaire"? Does that mean one owns one million Bitcoins? No, it means you own enough Bitcoins to equal a million.....DOLLARS (in the USA). IF the US Dollar became worthless tomorrow, at least I could burn the linen for a minute or two of heat.

I can’t help but think the things that Frisby says might come back and haunt me . 👻

good stuff. The truth stings.

My favourite part was watching you two squirm on his answer to the final question.

It's a good read, very interesting

Voluntary tax isn't tax; it's philanthropy. A 'government' funded voluntarily is a philanthropic society. Rich people still do this: they fund hospital wings etc. Rich wives spend their days organising charity lunches.

Nice one, guys!

I like most of what Mr Frisby says but when he talks about the cost of living when talking about food accommodation and clothing... he said that we pay roughly 15% of our income... what world is that in? Certainly not Britain... 5 years ago, I was paying 700quid not for a flat... but for a small bedroom... i was earning 1700 a month. Over 40% just on the most basic of accommodation and that's without including the food and clothing. Quick maths question... how much would I need to be earning to make that total 15% of my income? Edit: plus water, council tax, electric, gas.... this makes that 40% look more like 60%.

I still want your burgundy jacket KK!

Listening to Konstantin makes me wish I could speak another language. If only there was a way to learn a new language whilst in Lockdown.

Bugger me Dominic looks sober in this one! ;)

On health care in the late 19th century, there was no mention of church run hospitals, or work houses, very idealised view of that periods healthcare

Just bought the book

O loved this guy he would be crazy if he lived in Brazil like I do

Dominic Frisby states that "serfdom was abolished by the Russian revolution (1917)". Serfdom in Russia was in fact abolished in 1861. In the United States it was abolished in 1863.

Good to see that you are back in the studio - the lighting in your homes was atrocious. BTW, because I am a linguist, I am very interested in your latest sponsor - keep up the good work :-)

16: 50 - you shouldn't be paying for weed at all if it's not cut and dried.

Why does Dominic's name not appear on the credits of the Four Horsemen documentary?

Gold was money until Margaret bloody Thatcher. Governments are comparatively small these days, concerning governments do health care, aged care, & some countries dental care. The major problem with our economies is private debt to what you call the high street banks.

For most, Bitcoin acts essentially as a fund, it's not a currency. I remember in 2010 when it was 25p at Mount Gox after a currency conversion from pounds to yen

Tax in Britain can now be raised retrospectively. I have been sent a tax bill based on a recent change in tax law but one that has been backdated to the 1990s. Take heed everybody as this could happen to you too. I always understood that this was a mark of a kleptocracy. Funny old world. Can't seem to change it democratically so not sure what's left to try......

Konstantin Kisin for Prime Minister!

Wow. Edgey last 5 seconds! 🤣 But I really like Dom Frisby

I don't have a problem with having a govt run things, to me it's a question of what they run and how much. So I'd be happy to nationalise, or the govt have a majority shareholding, of our utilities, defence, healthcare, education, roads etc. What I don't want the govt controlling is what I say or think, what I can see, hear or read, who I hang out with, or do in the privacy of my home, providing it's not negatively impacting someone else's rights. There is a line between the private and the public, between rights and responsibilities. But free speech, free association and the rights of the individual are the foundations from which everything else stems.. A govt which interferes with those things should be resisted.

I know a white woman who was married to a black guy from the West Indies. They used to hang out in a West Indian community and they would talk about Africans in a "racist" way. Her contention is that proper racism is about the imbalance of power, and is therefore generally associated with white racism against the black community. However if one black community has a more powerful societal position over another and uses that dominance in a discriminatory way, then it must also be considered racism. What is a bit tedious now is libertarian white guys coming on these discussions complaining about thought police changing the use of language. He seems to think that its OK to call someone a black cunt, so long as it is another black man, and its done in a pub and it can forgiven because its a football match. By that logic is it OK to do that at the match, directly to the player, so long as you have a beer in your hand and you are also black. I'm guessing the black players might not think so.

New drinking game, have a shot for every time his says tax🤢

I think we should be learning Chinese … try babel for free!!

This guy is interesting to listen to but plays fast and loose with his facts, beyond just mistaking the American Revolution and Civil War. Serfdom in Russia was abolished under Alexander II decades prior to the Russian Revolution---contemporary with the American Civil War, actually. It is clear from historical tax tables that Americans paid substantial quantities of income tax at all income levels well before the Second World War contrary to Mr. Frisby's claim, see files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf If taxes never go back down after a crisis, then they would be at 100% by now. Tax rates go up and down, crisis or no. After WW1 U.S. top tax rates dropped from wartime highs in the 90% range, down to a top rate of 25%. This happened again after WW2. In the United States, tax rates are decreased by essentially every Republican administration. Food is highly regulated by government---the food market is not "free" in the absolutist libertarian sense Frisby is channeling. Animals are inspected prior to slaughter, farmers are heavily subsidized, ingredients are judged safe or prohibited as unsafe, etc. Britain itself slaughtered millions of cattle to stop the spread of mad cow disease---it wasn't the free market that did that. He gets so many basic facts wrong that it undermines his overall argument and makes it seem he is letting ideology rather than reality guide his worldview.

Fiat money.....and they're planning to go completely digital next, especially in the EU.

Racism isn't just about skin colour, it's discrimination against race, e.g. Polish, Russian, Inuits, Nigerians, Greek, etc,

I just contacted Dave Rubin, and asked him why he did not answer you about being a guest on your podcast.

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The last ten minutes you could feel the discomfort from here.

Individualist Libertarians always forget that if you don't have tax then your income, in aggregate, goes down by more. In a productive monetary system you just don't need everybody's labour, which begs the question why should those people whose labour we do need waste their time producing a surplus to give to you? You don't have the money to indicate that it is worth producing anything for you that would cause you to be engaged in the first place. Social libertarians, on the other hand, understand that if the system is to work, all available labour hours must be sold.

Both the two of you are so politiçally çorreçt...

51:13 New Zealand's health system is NOT insurance based.

You almost make the case for why the pole tax was an improvement.

Regarding the last point discussed, what about the simple answer: “so what?”... grow a spine!

When he uses food as a free market example, it is ridiculous since food was never state owned.

Call me a nitpicker but you need to seriously have your head checked if you 'always get mixed up' between the civil war and the war of independence, and I say that as a brit who has never really even studied the subject in any detail.

The trouble with the NHS, apart from quango managerial jobs, is the god like status and powers bestowed on doctors. They're not too different from politicians- they can more or less decide on their supposed monetary value. So many GPs are on astronomical wages- some in the £200,000 + per annum area. Even junior doctors start off around the £70,000 mark.

This will not age well. Food is about to become extremely scarce and expensive.

Gold always believe in your soul

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