Kinda wish ik this yesterday 😂, and it makes sense because now that I negotiated OTD I can't really negotiate the bogus dealer fees. I got an offer $11.6k for a 2012 CR-V EX w/ 100k miles. Had a lot of recon done on it so I think the dealership got it for really cheap, and because I talked OTD I don't know how much better a deal I could get :/
@zabooog3 жыл бұрын
I would have to disagree. It doesn't matter what they label a certain category. It's all included in what I'm paying, especially if paying cash. As long as I pay the total price I've asked for, I don't care. I bought several cars with the same strategy and it is time efficient because the deal either works or it doesn't, plain and simple.
@frontagulus11 ай бұрын
Agreed, ultimately the buyer wants to pay X for the vehicle spec they want. They know the MSRP, they know the feature price list, the state-mandated doc fee, and they know how much less than that they want to pay. Whether the buyer breaks that down into individual parts, or just states the OTD price, it needs to add up to the same. If you live in NY, the state mandates no more than $175 doc fee, so the only real variable is how much money the dealer makes. A better approach in my book is to go in knowing all these numbers, and tell the dealer "this is how much I'll let you make on this deal" - they need to make money to stay in business so by showing them that you know that, they only have to decide whether that amount meets their threshold
@chaseroberts31117 ай бұрын
The out the door price puts the dealer on the spot as you can go to multiple dealers and see if they can beat this price. Works best when you know exactly what new car your interested in with the options you want.
@jerrylundegaard25922 ай бұрын
There is no out-the-door price. There is the price plus state mandated fees and taxes, which is the out the door cost. Note price includes all fake dealer fees such as those doc fees.
@YOUneedJESUS1 Жыл бұрын
I have always looked at the car. Test drive it. Then say one simple thing. Whats the best you can do all in? If i like the price i buy it. If not i walk out the door. I dont do the whole back and forth, got to ask a manager crap.
@dhobbs19743 жыл бұрын
It’s not that complicated, you walk in the dealer and make them a fair offer for out the door and if they can’t meet you on it then walk out and I guarantee you in a few days they’ll call you back and say they got it worked out.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you that making an out the door offer is simple, and that walking away is an important action a buyer can make in negotiation. But as I explain in the video you’re paying a premium for the convenience of a “simple” offer that lumps all negotiable considerations into one line item. How do you know they wouldn’t have reduced the document fee, some dealer add on, shipping charge, or even the price of the car had you addressed each line item individually? Even if you make what you think is a fair offer, the dealer doesn’t usually accept. I would guess that 9/10 times the dealer counters with a higher price. And often will just hold out for another customer who’s willing to pay more.
@dhobbs19743 жыл бұрын
not waiting to live They can add the document and whatever fee they like as long as it’s at at below what I offered. I always do my homework on the car I’m Looking at buying, I look at blue book and what that car is selling for on the market and that’s what I base my offer on. Look I know the dealer has to make money off that sell so that’s why I offer a fair price for the car. The bottom line is this, they’re never going to tell you what they gave they last guy for that car when they traded it, they probably gave them thousands less than what they’re selling it to you for and that’s ok as long as it’s where I want it to be. I don’t throw out low ball offers but I’m never giving the dealer what they ask. Yes you’re right the dealer can just wait on another dummy to come in and don’t ask any questions and get ripped just like I know as a buyer that I can find that same vehicle for a cheaper price somewhere else. Don’t ever allow a dealer to trick you into believing that you won’t find that car anywhere else for a cheaper price because someone somewhere is selling that car for a cheaper price. It’s always worked for me. Sometimes it pays to walk away and keep shopping.
@dhobbs19743 жыл бұрын
Also there’s no such thing as paying for convenience , I’m not any dealer for any convenience of selling me a car, that’s really crazy.
@A-0ne3 жыл бұрын
@@dhobbs1974 I've been shopping for the right deal for the past month. I started out completely lost and almost got myself into a jam. I've walked away SEVERAL times from cars that I thought I would take home. Now, I don't even visit the dealership anymore. I just sit in my comfy chair or on my couch and email/text dealers nationwide daily. I have another vehicle so I'm in no rush but bottom line, I want the best deal and I'm never paying them what they're asking either. In my opinion, out the door is the best method for someone that's done their research.
@christopherwood49603 жыл бұрын
@@A-0ne how did that work for you? I am currently in s situation i have to buy out of door and i know the two cars i want i narrowed it down and im looking nationwide. The area im in has insane car pricing for these vehicles..i try and find a car thats been on the lot for a long time and then try and give a fair deal where the car dealer gets money and i dont get screwed over. I an trying to b up front like this is the deal then make a deal and then be done with it. I am also waiting for end of the month. I posted s comment on this thread as well because my situation sucks. I cant find any really guidance on how to negotiate out of door price. I assume they will run my credit once i choose a car then realize i cant be financed so why not just negotiate price on the vehicle from the start.
@rodneyjaynes24853 жыл бұрын
I got nothing from this! So what do I negotiate? The taxes? The fees? You were so all over the place, I lost track
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback Rodney. I'd be more than happy to help answer any questions you have. Negotiate agreement on the purchase price of the vehicle before all else. I have separate videos on my channel about how to negotiate new and used car price. How to negotiate new car price: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eK6XqsdnvrG7nIk.html How to negotiate used car price: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sM2Ekpeczd_Gdas.html Once you've agreed to the sale price then evaluate and negotiate the remaining expenses expenses accordingly. The purpose of this video is to address the common perception that negotiating "out the door price" is the simple and easy answer to negotiating the best price. Getting the best deal by focusing on "out the door price" is easier said than done.
@rodneyjaynes24853 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive Thank you.
@rich0683 жыл бұрын
Find the car, have them run the numbers, go from there. Be ready to walk after sitting there and having them work out the numbers and then saying no to your asking price
@rodneyjaynes24853 жыл бұрын
@@rich068 In other words, waste my time?
@ms.lynette68367 ай бұрын
Exactly! That is a waste of time doing this in a dealership. You can find OTD templates. Just copy and paste that to every dealership in your area from the comfort of your home. Instead of being in their dealership wasting time.
@geyser34453 жыл бұрын
I would never buy a car from you with this advice.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
What makes you say that?
@jamesbell57933 жыл бұрын
I agree with him
@jamesbell57933 жыл бұрын
Pete that is
@Redallstar1 Жыл бұрын
This is why the car buying experience is such BS. Getting the OTD price should not be difficult. There should be one grand total number with itemized costs. Good luck getting that early in the negotiations. Dealerships are crooks.
@MT-xl8jy2 жыл бұрын
Yes i am an out the door price guy in the early days. Knowledge is power and i got schooled by paying too much, just wish someone had clued me in. Spot on Manny, thanks
@User-cc6cq3 жыл бұрын
Assuming no trade, cash deal...Phase 1 is to ID the specific car you want; Phase 2 is to understand ALL of the itemized pricing details - in writing; Phase 3 is to verify that the dealer has applied ALL applicable mfg incentives; Phase 4 is to negotiate OTD price. Phase 5 is to drive home happy! There is NO SUBSTITUTE for understanding EVERY COMPONENT of the deal! Successful use of OTD pricing is really an advanced purchasing technique for experienced buyers WHO KNOW HOW TO SHOP & CAN WALK AWAY. IMO it is not for newbie trade in buyers who need to finance sub prime.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you. It is an advanced technique that doesn't replace the need for all prior diligence. Well said.
@User-cc6cq3 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive From my perspective there is really no point in bringing up OTD pricing before Phase 4 in my example above. Glad to see you point out the downside to doing so too soon. Many seem to have no idea what OTD really means from a dealer perspective.
@dkenny86553 жыл бұрын
I knew from the very beginning of this video that this guy was a car salesman. While it may be he is no longer a salesman, this video is definitely made so that his friends in the car business have a better chance to take over the sale's process in the future. Keep trying there guy, it ain't working on most people.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
If that were true would I literally make a video telling people to not buy cars in 2021: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rdaSqa2Bu97blqM.html I spend hours of my time every week helping people negotiate lower sale prices. I’ve helped transfer millions of dollars from dealers to buyers in the form of savings. Come on man... And btw I’ve been an engineer longer than I’ve been a car salesman.
@Avatar7x72 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive I do get the impression that you're not offering any inside info or the "Real Deal" that would help the consumer... I checked VIN numbers on a few websites that evaluate trade in values for cars and there's on average a $3,000 to $7,000 dollar difference between what the dealer paid for a car and what they're selling a used car for.. I'm only interested in pre owned vehicles ..how fast cars depreciate is insane with the exception of Lexus, Toyota and Honda ..
@notwaitingtolive2 жыл бұрын
@@Avatar7x7 You want some inside info? No car dealer is going to sell you a car for a price they’re not comfortable selling it to you for. There are no master negotiators. There is no video that you can watch on KZfaq that will teach you how to go into a dealership and leave their head spinning “wow that guy was such a good negotiator he totally ripped us off!” The inside info is the fundamentals of how to negotiate. If you want to learn how to negotiate car deals completely and thoroughly watch my videos. I have a channel now that I dedicate to car negotiation: You might like this one about 8 freebies to negotiate as part of the deal from my experience as a former car salesman: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z92fltGn0MutoJ8.html
@Avatar7x72 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive You do know that there will be a backlash especially how the public is being gouged on current preowned pricing ?.. I know about the chip shortage(which makes no sense)but it's bs... You can't even get information on manufacturer cost to build each vehicle .. Lets say hypothetically it takes $10 to $15k to build each vehicle.. The average new car price is around $28,000 to $30,000 .. plus you tac on additional fees and the markup is huge.. Not to mention there's only 2 car manufacturers building long term reliable cars and that's Toyota/Lexus or Honda/Acura.. all the rest of them are "endless money pits" !
@notwaitingtolive2 жыл бұрын
@@Avatar7x7 yes. I've been preaching for years that this game of supply and demand is a circle. One day the customers will have more leverage than the dealers. But what most people seem to get only half right is that "something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it". They forget that something is also only worth what someone is willing to sell it for. Car dealers ultimately do not get beat by customers in almost any market because the have the ability to wait for another customer. It's kind of like the stock market, it's a lot easier to bet that it will go up than to pick the specific window of time it goes down. There will one day be a brief window of pain where the dealers have to sell cars for less than they paid for them, but they will adapt quickly or just refuse to continue to operate.
@Suncast453 жыл бұрын
The more I watch the different explanations on negotiating a vehicle, the more confused I get. And I've watched plenty the last 6 months. I refuse to buy from Carmax or Carvana, etc. but still haven't figured out what is a fair price to offer for a new SUV.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
There is quite a bit of conflicting advice on the car business on KZfaq. I'm certainly biased but I believe I've made the only videos you need to watch to cut to the fundamentals: I made this video to explain how to make make a fair initial offer on a used car: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/peCbgtWe38WcnKs.html And how to make a fair initial offer on a new car: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ismCiat6q7mueKs.html
@Suncast453 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive Thank You ! I will keep watching and learning!
@Suncast453 жыл бұрын
I"m a Nam Vet and remember all the Big 3 reps taking orders for New rods like the GTO, Mustangs, Camaros and Hemi's at the PX at the Airbase in Saigon! LOL Be waiting at the port when you get back! If you get back!
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service. That thought never crossed my mind, but of course it had to be just another part of life during that time.
@Lobsterman5481Ай бұрын
Exactly, I'm so dizzy.
@dragons8393 Жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2023 Kia Forte GT and when I got the out the door included tax title and there was fees on there but I had them take it off. The asking price was $27,300 I got it down to $25,294. And that's including tax title I even had them to take the doc fee from the price of the car
@Lobsterman5481Ай бұрын
was there a rebate that you didn't know about? Also how about the holdback.
@LuisAngelRamirez73 жыл бұрын
i dont get it... why would it matter if they're charging a bit more for one thing but I am still getting the OTD price that I'm looking for?
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
That depends. If your goal is the OTD number then it doesn't matter. But I think a fair question is how did you come up with the out the door price in the first place? There's a difference between what a person's budget will allow and the lowest price the market will bear. For people who want to negotiate the low price for each line item it would matter. I'm not convinced that most people even get the lowest car sale price when negotiating OTD price, let alone the other expenses.
@arthurswann40083 жыл бұрын
That’s not right because O T D price includes everything. Try again 👍🏽
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree. Keep it simple and ask multiple dealers to negotiate the price of the car first and foremost. Then negotiate the rest. Even if you ask multiple dealers for out the door price, they’re all giving you their less than best effort because out the door pricing is a pain in the ass the calculate. Every one of those dealers is essentially back calculating the price theyre selling the car for after making assumptions for taxes and fees. In many cases they don’t even know all of the appropriate taxes and fees themselves. Car dealers are not mathematicians. And they certainly don’t enjoy solving for the price they’re selling the car for in every single counter offer. They’re going to round up and ballpark assumptions every time. Then give up on the negotiating faster because they’re tired of the math. It’s much easier and more effective to negotiate the price of the car first if your goal is to save the most money possible.
@drewsmith60523 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive buyers should absolutely negotiate the out the door price!! And if dealers want to give less than their best effort, then that’s on them. Even if they quote a super low price for the car, they can easily make the amount back up by charging more for features and add-ons. Plus, you should be telling people that when you ask for the out the door price quote you tell the dealership what state and county you’re registering the car in. The dealerships all have software that tell them what the taxes are for your location. Plus if you negotiate for the price of the car, then you don’t get to take advantage of knowing the fees and any rebates the dealership includes so it’s more difficult to compare one deal to another. It’s not that difficult for the dealership to calculate all of the fees that go into the out the door price because they have to do it for every car anyways. The out the door price is absolutely the number the buyer needs to be negotiating because that’s the only number that matters!! That’s the number that the dealer wants you to stroke a check for if you were paying in cash!! The dealer should provide an itemized breakdown of the out the door price so the buyer knows everything they are paying for. You are trying to complicate an easier process than you maybe understand and are giving people bad advice because you maybe don’t understand how actual dealerships operate. It’s almost as if you’re back at Best Buy and charging people more than they should pay because of your ignorance of what “out the door” actually means.
@MichaelMammon11 ай бұрын
Complete BS. Get the out the door price with a break down BEFORE you even start negotiating. You can always haggle the fees in the OTD price instead of getting surprised by fees you didn't see coming at the very end when you thought the deal was almost done - and if you're financing, you'll save getting dinged with a credit inquiry that you will not use if the dealer wont budge. Alot of dealers will "check" your financing options early into negotiations. Sometimes this means they will shotgun your info to multiple finance companies - leaving you with 5 or 6 inquiries in a single "check". Ask around a bit. I guarantee you'll find someone fairly quickly who has been burned by last minute fees and credit shot gunning. Dealers figure its too late in the game, and you won't back out once the financing is settled. I won't even give a dealer my last name until we have settled on a finalized OTD price. This advice is utter nonsense.
@christinadecker5260 Жыл бұрын
If I buy a car out of state, am I supposed to pay sales tax or do I only pay taxes when I register the car in my state?
@arthurl.9985 Жыл бұрын
Should just pay sales tax for the state your registration will be.
@aldoverdugo9217 ай бұрын
Lol this is funny, I've done out the door price on a BMW, a Toyota and a Mazda. Out the door price includes everything, taxes and paperwork. No Markups and or add-ons. Most say no at Firs then their all calling me a few days later trying to get me to buy their car.
@23ARACELI3 жыл бұрын
I want to buy my first new car on my own. I make $1800 to $2000 a month and have saved up $16,000 I’m terribly terrified to actually go into a dealership due to my credit score being so low 570 😳 I’ve paid off two cars on my own before but both were under my sisters name. Due to the fact that I had a hard time getting approved and she got approved and got better options on cars. I don’t know where to start the buying process. Any tips/advise? Would be highly appreciated 🤓
@MIckaDooII4 ай бұрын
If you could get a better price going through the details then the OTD price you got provided was just the salesman ripping you off knowing you could have got a better deal.
@melwig28133 жыл бұрын
OTD price by definition is the final number you write on the check. If a dealer tries to make it anything else, I walk because they’re playing games. Of course you should look at all the details in the sales contract to identify any unreasonable charges. Any bogus charges are always still negotiable if you haven’t signed the damn contract yet. Red flag charges are a sign of an unethical dealer and just make me want to walk regardless of the price they are offering. Go find a dealer that’s ethical. Unfortunately they are not the norm, but they do exist.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you that out the door price is the final number on the check. However, the order in which information is presented matters in negotiation. For example, in general purchases in life (like a TV or bicycle) if a salesperson shows you something at the check out register you are significantly less likely to purchase that item compared to a scenario where they discussed that item with you early on in the sales process. The same goes for negotiating the details, the dealer is much less likely to buy what you're selling (a dispute over any particular line item) if you only bring those issues up after you've agreed to a "preliminary" out the door price.
@lymanhiter3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your content. I am planning to buy a truck in December. So I am definitely using your content to help study and prepare.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
lyman hiter thank you for the kind words. I appreciate your feedback.
@jin42233 жыл бұрын
Hi Manny. If I don't negotiate OTD price in the first place, then should I negotiate(?) detailed item price(e.g. doc fee) via email after we settle on the sale price of a car? As I'm planning to just bring a check to a dealership, I need to know the exact OTD before I make a long trip to the dealership.
@mjohnston83133 жыл бұрын
Against getting a transparent as possible estimated cost of a car before sitting down for financing? And people are commenting on the video , like, wow, not getting a clear as possible break down of the total cost of a vehicle before spending $30-60-90 k, just makes so much sense. Please don't fall fall for this video. The out the door price isn't too much to ask for. And don't let any asshole ever convince you otherwise. It's your money, be confident and ask for the bottom line.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
I think we’re on the same team and you don’t even realize it. All I preach is clear and transparent costs. Line by line, that’s how you negotiate the best price possible. But to get there you start by agreeing to the price of the vehicle first. Then go from there. Out the door price is the exact opposite of clear and transparent. It’s the lump sum with no details, no way to negotiate all the other line items. How do you know you’re a not getting ripped off on doc fee? Transportation? Dealer fee? Trade in value? What other stuff do you not realize you’re paying for with our the door price?
@61britchie9 ай бұрын
Dude I make it clear that I want the taxes,license, etc. And I also demand exact figures.
@puravida56833 жыл бұрын
Three combat tours were easier than buying a car! Everyone and their brother has a different approach to an Out The Door Price. Check invoice, ignore invoice, only pay $75.00 doc fee, add Holdback, add incentives, eliminate Add On items, don't say you are paying cash, use internet to buy, don't use internet to buy etc. All the ex-salesman advise a different approach! Here in Costa Rica, everyone in the country pays the same price for a particular vehicle, all taxes and fees included!
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
First of all thank you for your service. I agree there is a lot of conflicting car buying advice on KZfaq. I'm biased, but I believe I have the best approach to cut to the fundamental mechanics of car negotiations. Of all the KZfaq car negotiation videos I'm the only ex car salesman/engineer that I know of. If nothing else I've spent years outside of the car business trying to understand how components of an idea or issue work together in a tangible way. That's a big reason I enjoy car negotiations so much, the time spent negotiating and the end result is measurable and comparable by state and across the nation. Any incorrect advice really has no place to hide. The results speak for themselves.
@Twoolz15643 жыл бұрын
You are so right brother! Thanks for your service, I'm a 20 year Veteran myself.
@Twoolz15643 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive I'm sure the rest of the car advice "experts" would all say they're the best too.😏
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
@@Twoolz1564 Most likely. I also have a growing list of viewers who have seen the others "how to negotiate" advice and give me their vote for best. And if nothing else I've given away the most free advice on specific car negotiations of all of them (most don't even respond to specific questions, let alone questions of value). I wish there was a straightforward way to have a head to head competition amongst us all.
@Twoolz15643 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive I'll give you credit for responding because you are correct, most of them never answer my question. I also think you are very knowledgeable, and do offer some good advice, so I'll continue watching your videos.
@voodoovinny7125 Жыл бұрын
Like a few others here, I disagree. The dealer will tell you what they want to sell you the vehicle for along with the tax, title, and licensing plus all the other fees they are going to try and tack on. Hopefully, the customer will have a good idea of the actual cash value of the vehicle along with the tax, title, and licensing they would pay so they can identify what the dealer is going to try and charge them with those fees that clearly violate FTC Section 463. With the "out-the-door" price breakdown from them, you can point out to them the things they are in violation of with FTC Section 463 such as: 1) the "listing" price they now want you to pay is different than the advertised price which is a "bait and switch pricing scheme", 2) the "mandatory dealership add-ons" are NOT mandatory after all, and 3) all the "junk fees" that they attempt to tack on. They can either honor the advertised price, not make you pay for the "mandatory" dealership add-ons, and remove all of the "junk fees" to give you a fair deal, or you can find a new dealership. Regardless of what you choose, I would also report their violations to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), the Better Business Bureau (BBB), and the states Attorney General. Dealerships play way too many games... On another note, if they do all of this and you still buy the car, be sure that you are ready for the "Yo-Yo Scam" where you will go through the process of buying the car using their financial partner (a big one is TD Auto Financing) that will approve you and in about 10-14 days or so they will send you a denial/change of conditions letter. (TD Auto Finance seems to have a habit of approving and then later denying/changing the numbers which is what the dealership wants so they can get you to pay a higher price now that you have had the vehicle a few weeks and want it more). If the dealership contacts you to bring the vehicle back or come in to sign a new financial contract (with the higher prices) and it has been more than 10 working days of your signing the first contract, then I would highly suggest hiring yourself a Consumer Protection Lawyer and DO NOT sign a new deal at least until after you talk to your Consumer Protection Lawyer. Don't worry about a retainer for the lawyer as these cases have the lawyers being paid by the dealership after they win the case against them if the lawyer takes your case. It is highly likely that the dealership is in hot water for violating Truth in Lending laws even if the finance company they chose is the one that changed the financial agreement on you.
@Eltartaro_2050 Жыл бұрын
I Always ask for a itemized OTD price and compare with other dealers and negotiate each item/add on on the OTD price
@yrsshi84493 жыл бұрын
You did not tell what should be asked and how. You made it more confused.
@muhammadsteinberg2 жыл бұрын
OTD price is what's getting financed or cash price. All that other stuff doesn't matter. Just a bunch of fluff and nonsense with that other stuff.
@Ron-cz8bt3 жыл бұрын
Manny, I swear every video I've watched, you're on point. Some people may not like when you're shooting the truth to them, but you're giving us what's real, for free. I just wanted to say that I appreciate all your time that you take to produce these amazing videos. Thank you! Now, sorry in advance for my lengthly comment below. :) When I heard 'out the price' maaany years ago, it sounded 'simple'. I thought 'hey, that's easy!' Not for sales. Believe me when I write that you don't wanna make things difficult for the dealer staff. Now, I've never been in sales (although I've been told many times that I should, lol), but I've bought enough stuff..cars, etc. etc., with the attitude from the get-go that all these folks're slime, they're all out here to drain my wallet and I would treat them as such. Now, lol, with some, that's true. They'll drain your wallet if you let them. You can walk...at anytime. Anyhow, having that attitude ain't good for ya. You can do your research, look at KBB or the like for the 'great, good, fair' price of your specific vehicle. Then, approach the battlegroud with good knowledge of what you want and what is a 'great, good or fair' price with a positive attitude. Trust me when I say, I was shocked many years ago when I met an ex-finance officer who started working with me for the State of CA. I started picking his brain about all the myths/reality involved in selling cars. I couldn't believe it when he said that he and his staff couldn't stand it when people would come in with an attitude from the start (i used to do that). He said that if he and his team decided to deal with that person and their negative attitude, that they were gonna make sure they made maximum profit from them. Sometimes, he said, the staff would not even negotiate, with the intent of hoping that person did walk. This F/O told me that it was the people that came in with the attitude along the lines of.."Look, you guys sell cars daily, I buy cars every know and then. I'll respect that this is the way you guys make your living but, I've got a family as well. I'm not gonna try to take you for all you've got, that ain't gonna happen. However, I've done enough research to know what my bottom line is, as well." ......obviously, I never forgot that. And, I'll be damned, that when I changed my attitude on my next purchase and ran those comments by the staff, we struck a deal. And, after the process was done that F/O of the dealership told me that I did good, that believe it or not, when the sales person went and shared my opening statement with the manager, they lowered their guard and their greed to make a deal with me. He told me that in all his career, did any customer state that they actually gave a shit about the management/sales people making a living.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ron. I do feel that with a lot of these videos I’d get more views if I told people what they want to hear “all dealers are scamming you every way you can think of” I appreciate you sharing your experience and being open about a shift in attitude changing the results. Attitude can radically change even the most mundane interactions in our lives. What makes us think starting off a car negotiation with a bad attitude would be any different? I’ve been in multiple deals where we just stopped negotiating with the low ball bad attitude negotiators. We absolutely would’ve given them a better price had they been easier to work with. Just the other day I caught myself waiting in line getting irritated at how long the cashier was taking to check out the people in front of me. But when it was my turn the cashier greeted me with no apologies, just a bright warm welcome and made me remember how much a good attitude can change how we feel about a situation.
@Ron-cz8bt3 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive Thank you for taking your time to reply and confirm what I wrote!
@Twoolz15643 жыл бұрын
The Dealer doesn't always control the game. Atleast, that's how it should work. If you're mistreating your customers, they won't return anytime soon. Fortunately, dealers are a dime a dozen, so If I email 20 dealers in a 200 mile radius and ask them for their best deal, it's easy to see the crooked ones. I kick those to the curb and deal with the fair Dealers. There are a few. Not many, but that's why i compare on paper before meeting the ones I believe made fair offers.. Also, the OTD method can work but you listed it before TTL which can be about 3K on a 35K vehicle. The same for rebates, discounts, and incentives. I want the complete OTD price from all the dealerships so I could compare and eliminate the unscrupulous dealers. What good is an OTD quote if it doesn't include everything? That's why it's called that, it's what you are paying when you're out the door! Just make sure you're checking every add on so, it's a fair comparison. If all else fails, just ask for invoice cost. Some will take it if there's enough back end profit.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Dealers might be a dime a dozen, but buyers over the last 5 years are a nickel a dozen. More buyers than even are willing to borrow more than ever. Thanks to the internet and widespread increasing vehicle manufacturing quality, modern buyers are less likely to consider dealer reputation, and more likely to buy based on make, model, mileage, equipment, and condition. For example, if you send out offers to 20 dealers, how much time do you spend vetting the reputation of each one? Ultimately, no car dealer will sell a car for a price they're not comfortable selling it for. They have tremendous confidence that another buyer will come along. This dealer advantage will continue until the day comes when either car demand fundamentally changes or car buyers access to lines of credit is reduced by raising interest rates or higher minimum credit qualifications.
@Twoolz15643 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive i suppose you're right, they're definitely in control of their inventory and will no doubt continue to take advantage of uneducated buyers. I can't do anything about that, but it won't be me they're taking advantage of. It is because of their deceptive business deals, i have no other choice but to pit them against eachother in a price bidding war. It's just to bad they sit around all day looking for additional ways to screw people, instead of honest business practices.
@PaulJersey3 жыл бұрын
Saw a Shelby GT500 in a ugly lime green that was $79k with an additional $25k dealer mark up when I was looking at a pickup yesterday. Psychologically it blew the deal on the pickup for them. It turned me off from doing business with them.
@tiplerstravels29 күн бұрын
Spoken like a true salesman, nothing you said helps the buyer just the dealership.
@DJSliick7 ай бұрын
I actually need the OTD Price because I'd be applying for a loan through a Credit Union And They need to know exactly how much I need.
@tmac88923 жыл бұрын
Kbb prices don't include tax and title?
@Lobsterman54819 ай бұрын
don't forget the incentives, rebate and holdback.
@ems83973 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Unfortunately I didn’t see this one before I purchased my car yesterday. Do you offer a service where you can evaluate my sticker price and evaluate what was paid. I would love to get a clear picture of where I went wrong. I feel like the dealer stole my rebate. 😡 But still happy with my truck 😀
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
What is the VIN? What was the sticker price? And what did you pay for the truck itself (leave out sales tax and all other fees).
@albertquisumbing20023 жыл бұрын
Thank you for producing concise and helpful content for car buyers! I'm in the market for a used Toyota Tacoma and have binged watched your tip videos over the past few days. I followed your tips on email negotiation and used price research and made an offer at $34.8k for a CPO 2020 Tacoma with 15k mi (sticker is $38.9, only been on the lot for 21 days). Dealer called me back and said best he could do was $37.9 and wouldn't budge. I walked... remembering that you said "they're only going to sell it for what they're comfortable with", and knowing that it's only been on the lot less than 1 month. Hopefully it will still be there next month and they'll come lower on price.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on walking away. It's easier said then done. How'd this work out? Are you still looking for a car? If so, I've decided to create new car content on a channel dedicated to car buying advice (The Car Consultant): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdCoa7B1rZrXo2w.html
@albertquisumbing20023 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive I ended up buying new. I found the prices for a new 2021 wasn’t much more than a used 2020. I Used your email and phone negotiation tips and got a good deal at a dealer 100 miles away. Worth the drive. Thanks again for the guidance!
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
@@albertquisumbing2002 congrats. Nice work. Thanks for following up.
@VanhitlikeaminiVan3 жыл бұрын
you gotta get in the door to get the out the door #, now with the shortage on semiconductors, giving all dealership low inventory, most pple want otd # without going in the dealership, most dealership wont give it to you, no dealership wants to give any one the lowest price with low inventory..if you aint going to give them msrp plus taxes, fees and add on...then you just wont get a car, most of the time
@rothbj17 ай бұрын
This shouldn't be complicated. OTD is price of the vehicle, sales tax, state registration fees, doc fee. Everything else is fluff. Take OTD offer, subtract state reg fees and doc fee, then divide by tax rate. That's what your selling the car for.
@jerrylundegaard2592Ай бұрын
Actually, those doc fees are fake. They are simply part of the price. Price includes all dealer costs including the very minor cost associated with those documents. It is amazing how dealers have confused so many people into believing those dealer fees are legit. Whey would anyone want to take the total out the door amount and divide by the sales tax? That makes no sense and allows the dealer an opportunity to scam the customer. Just demand the total price, which includes all fake dealer fees and overpriced add-ons, showing each amount comprising the price.
@mikepereyra3 жыл бұрын
I don’t really understand your theory... Are you saying that we shouldn’t ask for an otd number because we will make the life of the sales manager more difficult?? Who cares how they figure it out... all the customer cares about is that they are calculating the right tax percentage and that the numbers are good enough for them.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
This is more of a practical observation I’ve made as a car salesman than a theory or empathy for the car dealer. Even if you ask multiple dealers for out the door price, they’re all giving you their less than best effort because out the door pricing is a pain in the ass the calculate. Every one of those dealers is essentially back calculating the price theyre selling the car for after making assumptions for taxes and fees. In many cases they don’t even know all of the appropriate taxes and fees themselves. Car dealers are not mathematicians. And they certainly don’t enjoy solving for the price they’re selling the car for in every single counter offer. They’re going to round up and ballpark assumptions every time. Then give up on the negotiating faster because they’re tired of the math. It’s much easier and more effective to negotiate the price of the car first if your goal is to save the most money possible.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
@phil erupWhat specifically makes you say that?
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
@phil erup if you’re interested in learning how we beat the true car price by over $3,000 without asking for “out the door price” once watch this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jb2Dq7Kqs8WmhoU.html
@michelen23203 жыл бұрын
Trying to negotiate a new Chevy, The manufacturer website says $1689 for a military discount. Dealer claims it’s already in their discount for everyone so there not taking anymore off but they still want to verify my military through idme. Are they pulling a fast one to keep my discount?
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
michele n Thank you for your service. That explanation sounds very suspicious to me. I would definitely email two other dealers to see what they would sell it to you for. I have a video on my channel which explains exactly what to say when negotiating by email: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prConauhyLa1lIE.html I’ve never heard of military discounts being in everyone’s deal. I’ve always seen it as a legitimate extra discount.
@kiplambel40523 жыл бұрын
The manufacturer's conditional discounts are exactly that; conditional, and from the manufacturer. If the dealer is not discounting beyond that, they are getting full MSRP
@Hitman93052 ай бұрын
sounds like a salesman to me!
@tommak6516 Жыл бұрын
I let the dealer add up all the numbers and then tell them I will pay 75% of that or I am OUT THE DOOR !!!
@akhosha23 жыл бұрын
This doesn't make any sense.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
What makes you say that?
@christopherwood49603 жыл бұрын
Ive watched like 10 video straight, i am not able to finance and negotiate price because i am now two years in a bankruptcy..i dont have job stability i just started a new job. So my only option is to buy cash so i really dont have a choice to negotiate out of door price. Every video i have found says save it till the end and be open to financing..but i dont have that option in my circumstance. How do you negotiate the price when u cant finance?
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thank you for binge watching these videos. I'm glad you're finding them useful. Negotiating car price is about creating alternatives. The biggest component of any discount comes from what that car and cars like it are selling for elsewhere. In this video I go over free and paid methods to estimate what dealers are paying for a specific car: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rNKhnLGWsJ6Rd30.html When you're negotiating with a bankruptcy I'd recommend just calling yourself a cash buyer. Alternatively you could just pretend to be a financing buyer and never give them your hard financial info. I discuss that in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8liipOgp8q4hWQ.html Does that answer your question? What specifically are you looking to buy?
@christopherwood49603 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive thanks man u have helped out alot.
@ianbrown5955 Жыл бұрын
That guy should have just insisted that the definition of "out the door" includes taxes. If not, he should have walked. You don't get the best price without assertiveness. Everybody knows what out-the-door price means. I don't ask for out-the-door price. I tell them what I am willing to pay out-the-door, but I exclude the taxes. It's either done, or it isn't; no time wasted.
@baddogdax698 ай бұрын
Not sure what you are trying to say, find the dealers OTD price and work from there.
@notwaitingtolive8 ай бұрын
You cannot negotiate the best price possible by lumping all variables into a single price. This is an advanced topic. Most people stop at OTD price and never go beyond that. But there is certainly a level beyond that.
@adriandenson88553 жыл бұрын
People like things simple , that’s why they want the - “ bottom line “ doesn’t mean it’s the best system it just is what it is ... Think about students grades ; 5 options . Think about school rankings ; 5 options . Grades for restaurants; 5 options . Stars on Amazon for any product ; 5 options.... I don’t do OTD negotiations, but I do fight for every penny from 1_ the initial discount because I’m here today and I’m not wasting you time over the phone or email ( this is usually based on a percentage I feel the vehicle calls for compared to it’s “ comps “ and what I’ve been able to get around town ) 2 - the fee for in house title agency ( complete B.S. , why do they charge 200$ for a tag when the DMV charges 35$ ... to make profit! ) 3- a “net discount “ on the overpriced doc fee. ( I do paperwork for an hour and I pay you to do it ... No. I don’t think so. You’re going to find a way to help me out here with that. ) 4 - the tank will be full , the “ we owe “ will have “ full detail with wax and polish “ written on it. Period . The first time I get it serviced at the dealer it will be washed and waxed at their cost . PERIOD. Well here’s the way I think about my time and the work that goes into a legit offer and negotiation for a vehicle. If I make 200 $ a day based on my salary, how much time can I spend to try and save another 700 - 1000 ? A LONG TIME. My hourly rate ain’t that great ! Heck if another hour saves me 100$ that’s 2 meals at Outback Steakhouse! I’ve had dealers ask/tell me, “ how long do you want to fight for the 500$ that we’re apart cause we’re not budging and he’s sure there isn’t a dealer in town that will honor that deal. “ A few days later they always call back and we come a whole lot closer to my #. If it takes another day ( during the summer when I am off work anyways ) then that’s what it is... if they don’t call back after I’ve visited and test drove the vehicle and gone through the first round of negotiations then it’s their loss. I’m not an easy customer but that’s ok. I protect my families finances and they protect their business finances... they always win otherwise they wouldn’t sell me the car but there’s no way I’m going to make it quick and easy on them. Earning my $ is going to be work.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Bravo! I’ve long thought about discounts the same way. To save an extra $500 to me is a great day. And well worth another 8 hours of my time. Many times I’ve seen customers back off that last $500 when really there aren’t many people who could make that much back with just a few more hours of negotiation work (those are post income tax dollars too!). I commend your approach. You may be a tough customer but car dealers are by nature a tough seller. It’s only fair you put up a fight for every dollar.
@daug17836 ай бұрын
I just got more confused 😐
@Santiago-li7yl3 жыл бұрын
Hello sir, Would appreciate your advice. Looking at a 2020 challenger. New. Base price is around 38k, but with the add ons it goes up to 54k. What or how much do you believe I can negotiate off of that? Or what would you consider a fair and reasonable offer the dealership would accept? Any advice would be great. Thanks.
@firebirdgv Жыл бұрын
I know is kinda late answering this question. Hopefulky you did not go to that dealership and bought the car. If the vehicle was advertised at $38k but the add on options marked up the price, thats is a scam and you by law do not need to paid those options. You can negotiate the price only for the $38k and ask in the finance office to have those add ons remove. They are optional and not Obligatory. Is a violation of FTC rule 463.4 against deceptive and scam practices.
@Tina-ks6yn3 жыл бұрын
Hey Manny I love your videos :) Question I just got my offer accepted it is about 2 hrs away and I want to make sure the deal is in writing how do I proceed what do I ask them for? I asked for a Buyers order but they werent willing to give that?
@A-0ne3 жыл бұрын
Why not? They're full of it if they're unwilling to give you the buyers order. I wouldn't agree to go into the dealership without having the buyers order first.
@pointman735 ай бұрын
The main reason why I've walked out of dealerships, scumbag salesmen. Never give your phone number or real name until you're signing the contract.
@gebronthomasson6960 Жыл бұрын
You may be the only one who is not clear on this concept
@marlon968310 ай бұрын
Actually, the outdoor price should include tax license and fees not just out the door price of MSRP …
@jerrylundegaard2592Ай бұрын
If the price you pay is MSRP, you made a bad deal and you left money on the table.
@ronquinn42253 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on that 100% !!!
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Well thank you sir.
@CB_ChaosLove3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t there be software that allows salespeople to punch in a number and all the calculations would be automatic. Tax, doc, fee etc?
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
If there is, most dealers don't have it. And even if there is, that still means the dealer is solving for the sales price in a program (instead of by hand). And there in lies the issue. The dealer is always viewing the deal in terms of the sales price of the car. By introducing more variables the "out the door price buyer" is only creating more risk and uncertainty for the seller. The risk being that the dealer will have to pay for some unaccounted cost they didn't think of. The seller (dealer) protects themselves from risk by rounding up, and making safe assumptions. For this reason the sale price of the car will almost always be higher for the out the door price buyer than the buyer who negotiates selling price first, and then all the rest after.
@CB_ChaosLove3 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive dang, makes sense. I worked at a music store many years ago and had a similar experience to you in your early days. Someone was negotiating an out the door price and when I added tax there was a big hulabaloo! Oi vey! PS: I’m on the market for a 2010 or newer Subaru Outback. Hopefully between 9-15k $ Canadian.
@Gnathan962 жыл бұрын
This video was very convoluted and I don’t think you even know what you were trying to say lol. sorry OTD is extremely important because that’s literally what you’re paying to the penny.. this is coming from a sales person at Acura.
@notwaitingtolive2 жыл бұрын
This video is trying to explain an advanced concept designed to extract the literal most out of a deal. You cannot do that with out the door price. I clarify and expand on this topic in this video based on my own experience at Mercedes: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fsqJjM5m1N65Ymg.html
@dandillon51636 ай бұрын
Sorry I would go with your way.
@michaelmitcham150615 күн бұрын
This is weak. Obviously, one gets the full offer with the OTD. Anything else is not the OTD.
@gebronthomasson6960 Жыл бұрын
With 99.9% of dealers they understand exactly what OTD pricing..You give or they ask your zip..
@hillhankhill Жыл бұрын
Figure it out.😆
@jsollien127 Жыл бұрын
This paints a pretty poor picture of the dealership’s ability to do what should be their job.
@notwaitingtolive Жыл бұрын
Check out my follow up video that addresses any confusion on this topic: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fsqJjM5m1N65Ymg.html
@charleneandrew16083 жыл бұрын
I am a bit confused. To me the price that is agreed to at the end of any negotiation, irregardless of approach, is the OTD price. What is wrong with asking the dealership to do this prior to my even showing up? They would have my address to properly assess taxes due. As you and others have said over and over, this is my power..... If a dealer doesn't want to take the time to figure out the best price they can give me, then I walk away. Figuratively or literally I appreciate that I have to ask many dealerships in order to compare, and then make sure its apples to apples, but most of us really just want to hear the final price. I am convinced that Carmax and Carvana have seen success because it is a "no BS" approach that many seem willing to pay a little more money for. Go figure, I guess the OTD price asking is really us asking dealerships to be more like Carmax and Carvana
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
Charlene Andrew When you seek OTD price first you’re really limiting your ability negotiate specific line items and giving up leverage. If you agree to the price of the car first, it becomes much easier to negotiate between two dealers who will sell you the car for the same price but at different OTD prices due to fees. This is really about simplifying the process and communication. Lack of clarity is to the dealers advantage not the buyers. Yes OTD is the final agreement. But the elephant in the room is the price of the car. Start there first because it’s the largest and most direct negotiation, then move on to the rest of the items that make up OTD price. Those will be easier to negotiate once the price of the car has been agreed to. And yes while a dealer would have your address to estimate taxes, as I explain in this video, that process is hardly straightforward, and includes a number of potential assumptions in error, particularly when you’re requesting counter offers outside of your region or state.
@charleneandrew16083 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive I understand, I guess I am just hoping that dealerships understand that most of us, me, are looking at same vehicles at different dealerships and trying to simplify the buying process. i.e. if I check OTD at four dealerships in the same area, then I can look at final price as the deal maker or breaker. I have been looking since before the Covid change, and what I believe I am seeing is that most dealers price the cars pretty close to the same. So in reality, I guess by asking for an OTD price I am trying to figure out which dealers are adding on the most money in "extras and fees". I guess it should be added that I am looking for a specific new vehicle in a specific trim level.
@michaelAMaccarrАй бұрын
It’s 2024 and only 481 likes?
@mzollnerable29 күн бұрын
Dude, you'e a SALESMAN! Not going to sit there and play the wear them down game. OTD, or no deal! Even if I could save more money(which I highly doubt) by going back and forth, not me.Get me in and get me out.
@Sean249853 жыл бұрын
wow....how wrong you are. out the door has all the fees in them except government fees that have to be in there (i.e. sales tax, doc fee) but as a customer I know those items before i set foot into the dealership. your explanations are way wrong in just that you as a consumer has to be informed before they walk in. i also put time frame on how long i will be on the property. now at my age and at this point i have excellent credit and i'm not at the mercy of the dealership and if it's not a good deal, i walk. dealership and i have to both get a decent deal. you said many things that are included in the out the door price.......i think your wording is what's wrong.
@notwaitingtolive3 жыл бұрын
In out the door price how do you know you’re not getting ripped off on your trade, overpaying for any number of dealership fees, or even paying too much in interest if financing? Choose to negotiate all the variables at once at your own expense. You will not be getting the best price possible. I can promise you that from my experience helping hundreds of people negotiate car price after being a car salesman myself...
@Sean249853 жыл бұрын
@@notwaitingtolive this is why i said that i think you have chosen your words wrong....all the negotiation is done to get to the out the door price...that's the price i will pay for the automobile! there is no more dickering around after coming to that price, period. that's where all the negotiation ends up at, the out-the-door-price, hence the name! there is no more 4-square BS, no more waiting for my used car manager to give me a price for your trade (if i would trade in, which you shouldn't, get more selling outright), you have decided on any dealer installed options, if any and the bottom line is the definition of out-the-door-price.
@craigfin32222 жыл бұрын
You are right, except the OTD price includes everything. That includes sales tax and the doc fee, unless you live in a state where taxes are paid at the county office at the time of titling. Also the doc fee is not a government fee, its a dealer fee and that 100% should be in the OTD price.
@dannymcdermott61633 ай бұрын
Kind of boring. I couldn’t finish it
@mattsayle5 ай бұрын
Terrible advice, but I appreciate the presentation
@notwaitingtolive5 ай бұрын
It’s actually the advanced advice on this topic. There’s not really much to even debate. Anyone who thinks the best price can be negotiated in one step clearly isn’t ready to have this conversation
@smoothblack100 Жыл бұрын
I would nevr buy a car from u.
@notwaitingtolive Жыл бұрын
What makes you say that?
@enriquemunoz77012 ай бұрын
I always have the right to walk away.
@siyaocai5931 Жыл бұрын
After 2 years. There are only 279 likes. You know this video is completely nonsense.
@na23052 ай бұрын
This is a bad video. You ALWAYS negotiate the "Out The Door Price." Dealerships are required to give you the Out the Door Price along with a line by line breakdown of each item (tax, title, doc fee, msrp, etc). This way you have a clear understanding of what you're paying for. I would never buy a car, or a TV, from you my friend.
@jerrylundegaard2592Ай бұрын
Concentrating on the out the door amount allows the dealer to play games. The correct approach is to concentrate on the price before registration and sales tax and, if applicable, other state mandated fees. All stated mandated fees and sales tax are not negotiable and the dealer has no interest in those amounts other than to ensure they are correct per state requirements. If you concentrate on the price, which includes the stated price plus all fake dealer fees (any fee which is included in the taxable amount is a fake fee) and overpriced dealer add-ons you minimize the chance the dealer is able to fool you. Do your homework and decide what price you want to pay for the vehicle. If the dealer has a fake doc fee of $500, reduce your price by $500.
@JoseR-bw2gs3 ай бұрын
This guy makes no sense. The bottom line is the bottom line. Look at the source he is a salesman.
@blakespower3 ай бұрын
I mean it kinda makes sense, but I suppose you can hammer out all the details once you get to the finance guy and look whats actually included in the price and negotiate with him then, the salesman is a waste of time they dont have any power to change things anyway thats why they always go back to the manager and wastes your time pretending he is doing something
@jchidi2 жыл бұрын
You either have no clue what you’re talking about or you are woefully misguiding ur audience. Asking for OTD price is a model that has been exercised since the beginning of car sales. I could see how this practice would disgruntle a car salesman but it’s always been beneficial to consumers.
@notwaitingtolive2 жыл бұрын
Please watch this video response and then let me know what you think. I’ve more than demonstrated I know what I’m talking about: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fsqJjM5m1N65Ymg.html Merry Christmas.
@jchidi2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas!! I skimmed through the video, and double down on my stance. Unfortunately, you won’t convince me OTD negotiating doesn’t work in the consumers favor. If i have a budget and my OTD price falls within those constraints, we have a deal. It’s as simple as that, always has been.
@notwaitingtolive2 жыл бұрын
@@jchidi You skimmed through? It’s not a book. You weren’t listening. Good luck, you’re going to need it.
@jchidi2 жыл бұрын
The onus is on the consumer to do their research and identify a reasonable and appropriate final price for the product they are negotiating. Come prepared, know your numbers, and do your homework is what it comes down to. This model doesn’t work for inexperienced or lazy car buyers.
@notwaitingtolive2 жыл бұрын
@@jchidi thats the kind of energy I wish you brought into this comment section before accusing me of being clueless or misleading the audience… on a holiday no less…
@acetheking3136 Жыл бұрын
This is pure BS!!!!!!
@jocelynb8935 Жыл бұрын
I just wasted 8 min listening to this. NEXT
@kingkryptoknight36534 ай бұрын
Wow this is actual advice 😂🤣
@notwaitingtolive4 ай бұрын
I’m not sure why you’re laughing? I suppose it went over your head. Sorry for your loss.