Don’t Buy An Automatic Bilge Pump Till You’ve Watched This

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Boat Fittings

Boat Fittings

3 жыл бұрын

Automatic bilge pumps come in different types, and in this video we show you the differences so that you can choose the right automatic bilge pump for you. The idea of an automatic bilge pump is that it senses when to turn itself on an off depending on whether you have water in your bilge that needs pumping out, but there are a couple of different ways in which automatic bilge pumps do this sensing.
Just to be clear we are talking about electrically operated bilge pumps here, rather than the ones with a handle that you pump the hard way, but within the category of electric bilge pumps there are the manual type where you have to manually flick a switch to turn the motor on and off, and there are that automatic type of bilge pump which have the ability to sense when to turn the motor on and off depending on what water level in your bilge.
The bilge pumps featured in this video, and many others can be purchased from the following link:
www.boatfittings.co.uk/c/mari...
In general the manual type of electric bilge pump has 2 wires, and the automatic type has 3 wires, for a detailed description how to wire bilge pumps please take a look at our article here:
www.boatfittings.co.uk/how_do...
Automatic bilge pumps come in different types, one type has a built in float switch, so when the water level in your boat bilge rises it lifts up the built in float and at a certain point the float activates a switch which turns on the bilge pump motor and then the bilge pump keeps pumping until the water level has been lowered.
The other type of automatic bilge pump does not have a float switch, instead it uses electronics to figure out if there is water in the bilge. Typically what happens is that every so often (eg every couple of minutes) the electronics turns on the bilge pump motor for a test. If water is in the bilge the motor will take more electrical current than if there is no water in the bilge - in this way the electronic ‘brain’ inside the bilge pump can decide if it needs to pump water out, or if it can go back to sleep again for another couple of minutes. If this type of automatic bilge pump does detect water it will keep on pumping until the water has gone and it starts trying to pump air, then it turns off and waits again.
There are advantages and disadvantages of these different types of automatic bilge pump. This float-switch type of bilge pump has the advantage that until it becomes activated by the water level, it sits doing nothing at all, so it doesn’t use any electrical energy and it doesn’t make any noise until it is needed. One possible disadvantage (though in our opinion not very significant) is that it has more moving parts, and therefore in some ways has more to go wrong (eg if the float switch go jammed). That said, the float switch is contained within the housing of the pump so is less likely to get jammed by random debris that finds its way into your bilge (rags, bits of rope, beer bottle tops etc.) than an external float switch would be.
The electronic type of automatic bilge pump has less moving parts which can be considered an advantage. A possible disadvantage is that what ever the case it is going to turn itself on every so often to test if it can detect water. If you are sleeping on the boat you might then want to turn off the bilge pump overnight (and remember to turn it on again in the morning) to avoid it waking you or disturbing the peace.

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@kCI251
@kCI251 3 жыл бұрын
Great information, thanks for making this important video. My pump kept cycling every 2.5 minutes and I couldn't figure it out until I saw this.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 3 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks so much for your kind message. I am really pleased to hear that my video helped.
@richardbently7236
@richardbently7236 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to do the video, informative.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for your kind comment
@usamabhn5439
@usamabhn5439 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this informative and very clear video .
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings Жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@dustinmorrison147
@dustinmorrison147 3 жыл бұрын
Hello from Southern California! I enjoyed your video very much. It was a very well thought out presentation and gave a clear understanding of these two devices. I subscribed and look forward to seeing more videos. My son and I charter smaller sailboats (27’ to 32’) in Marina Del Rey for the purpose of coastal cruising. Just a terrific family activity. Take care and stay safe. Dusty Morrison.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Dusty, many thanks for your comment I am glad you found the video enjoyable. Wishing you happy cruising, I hope you have a good season. Richard
@danarnold5192
@danarnold5192 2 жыл бұрын
How are both of these pumps being powered? Are they being plugged in somewhere or ..
@NeedaFriend36
@NeedaFriend36 3 жыл бұрын
New subscriber. Great video.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@Prairiedogma
@Prairiedogma 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demonstration. You explained it well. I was wondering why the pump in the old 31' sailboat I bought didn't have a level switch. But it does have a small panel with an Auto/Off/Man(ual) switch and an indicator light that comes on for a couple of seconds every couple of minutes. I now know what type I have. Now to figure out why it doesn't work. The pump seems to work OK in a bucket but doesn't appear to have enough discharge head to lift the water the 3' from the bilge to the discharge (yes, the line is clear). And now I know it doesn't draw enough current to keep it running. These pumps aren't built to be serviced but they're pretty inexpensive.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment, glad to be of help.
@TheJustonemore
@TheJustonemore 2 жыл бұрын
New sub,great job
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi many thanks for subscribing, glad you liked the video :)
@testboga5991
@testboga5991 2 жыл бұрын
Super helpful
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd Жыл бұрын
The great advantage of pumps with a separate switch is the ability to replace only the component that fails. I have an automatic pump which is expensive and noisy, but the great advantage is the small volume it occupies compared to pumps and float switches. You might think the current draw would be significant, but it draws well less than 0.6W averaged over the day (1.2Ah per day in a 12 V system). When the motor spools up to top speed with no water drag on the impeller, back EMF reduces current draw to a trickle which is sensed by the electronics to shut off, then it tries again every 3 minutes.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings Жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for this great comment - it is nice to have some additional information, and considered opinion on the pros and cons . All the best, Richard
@thomaseichstaedt4988
@thomaseichstaedt4988 3 жыл бұрын
The sensor technology is also used in air compressor condensate drains which I’m very familiar with. With all the dirt and contaminates in a bilge I’d be more confident with the float style.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment. Just to clarify - the pumps that do the periodic check do not have a sensor. They use a micro-processor inside to monitor current draw, so there is not any issue with sensor contamination. It is always a good idea though to regularly check your pump for any debris which has got inside the strainer
@chadbassmaster9084
@chadbassmaster9084 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! What about your opinion on longevity? That sensored one would be running the impeller performing its check a crazy amount over its lifetime?
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your question. I could only guess on the longevity really. On the one hand like you said the one without the float switch would be running the impeller regularly, but only for a few seconds if there was no water detected so I don't really see this as an issue. Float switches involve moving parts which could get clogged up, so there are arguments for and against each really. All the best, Richard
@merlin1346
@merlin1346 2 жыл бұрын
we are talking about chinese quality here.
@nickcancro7927
@nickcancro7927 6 ай бұрын
The automatic type is susceptible to continuous running if sensor contacts are not cleaned regularly
@fishelectronics
@fishelectronics 3 ай бұрын
If you are sure that the second one detects electronically and not with an optical/photo element, then it is not suitable for fresh water, since pure/rain water does not conduct current. If a photosensor is used there, then it is very sensitive to moisture and various types of debris.
@catherineharris4746
@catherineharris4746 3 жыл бұрын
Nice!👍👍👍
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@rokljhui864
@rokljhui864 Жыл бұрын
'Bilgesaver' has a controller like this called the 'Barnacle' that works with any pump
@jeremydoucet-robles9515
@jeremydoucet-robles9515 Ай бұрын
Will this pump turm on when my seadoo if off
@michaelsimpson9779
@michaelsimpson9779 11 ай бұрын
I wish I'd seen this before I bought it (the second type of electronically controlled pump) from RTM in Australia. The instructions stated that it woukd switch on and off at just under 3 inches and half an inch respectively. What it did however, was cycle on and off at approximately 30 second intervals. Total pain in the proverbial.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 11 ай бұрын
Ah sorry to hear that. I must admit I prefer the float switch type myself. Kind regards, Richard
@jkline999
@jkline999 Ай бұрын
Get an auto pump that can be manually activated. I have had the auto function fail on me, allowing 50 gallons of water in the boat before it was noticed. Make sure the auto feature can be tested, and test auto/manual before your next adventure.
@merlin1346
@merlin1346 2 жыл бұрын
the float type is the better option, it can be overridden and doesnt waste two and a half minutes before deciding to kick off. The 'electronic' one would be better if it was triggered by water across stainless steel contacts negating the need to wait.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment
@benrandomly2016
@benrandomly2016 Жыл бұрын
Another option is using a bilge pump switch, either float type or electronic type, with a bulkhead mounted pump, or a pump mounted outside the bilge at sole level or higher, if the pump can draw water high up. I use diaphragm pumps and bulkhead mount them. No pump possibly sitting in water and a diaphragm pump doesn't get clogged as easily as regular impeller type bilge pumps. It's also easier to service or replace if it fails. No need to dig deep into the bilge. There are always other options.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings Жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, Thanks very much for your explanation of your diaphragm pump method. I would love to see a photo of your set-up. Always good to hear alternative thoughts on installations. All the best, Richard
@benrandomly2016
@benrandomly2016 Жыл бұрын
@@BoatFittings Hi Richard. I no longer have the Fish N Cruise with the diaphragm bilge pump set up. I wish I had thought to take pictures. My thinking was, if I came up with the idea surely many others were doing it as well. Keep the good videos coming. Have a good day.
@eilerteilertsen9689
@eilerteilertsen9689 2 жыл бұрын
It would be useful if you described the status of each wire ie pos or neg
@petergable9129
@petergable9129 2 жыл бұрын
Too true
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your suggestion. We have other videos concentrating on explaining the wiring so please take a look at the other videos on our channel.
@TroyaE117
@TroyaE117 2 жыл бұрын
I have never been at ease in having a live circuit left unattended on the boat when I am not there. Both our bilge pumps are manual switches. But I guess not everyone can be at their boat as often as we can manage.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment, actually I agree with you - I prefer to turn off all electrics with a Master Switch when leaving that boat, even if that does include the bilge pumps. I'm sure some will think differently though. All the best, Richard
@oscarwatcher99
@oscarwatcher99 Жыл бұрын
Hello I wonder if you can help with a bilge pump question. I have a low spot below ground level that fills with water. I have installed a 12v automatic pump that works very well except it won't stop when the water has been pumped out. It has to pump vertical for 3 feet and copes fine. If I submerge the pump in a bucket of water it stops when all the water has gone. When placing it in the sump where it has to work it won't cut off. It's only a £25 one from Amazon and has no check valve fitted. Can you think of any reason why it cuts off submerged in a bucket of water but not in the sump that fills up gradually over a couple of hours? I am totally perplexed by this scenario and hope you have the time to offer some advice. Gary. PS Loved the video. Very clear and informed. Get Outlook for Android
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings Жыл бұрын
Hi Gary thanks for your question. I am guessing you have the type of pump that decides whether to pump or not based on the amount of electrical current that it is drawing. With the test in the bucket you probably get a pretty clean situation at the end where all of the water has been pumped out, the pump is then just pumping fresh air and after a few seconds the pump turns off. With the deeper 3 foot installation the pump has to work a bit harder to push the water up to the top of the hose, then when it has nearly pumped all the water out it ends up pumping a 'froth' of water and air, which causes just enough current draw for the pump to think it has to keep going. If this sounds like the problem you are having it might mean you need a check valve, the other thing that might work is to arrange the hose to have distinct hump at the top that the water has to flow over and then down the other side. Alternatively you could buy a separate float switch and control the pump that way, you might need to experiment with the relative height between the float switch and the pump.
@jamesbaucom9538
@jamesbaucom9538 Жыл бұрын
Do you have to buy the pump and extras control separate or does it come in a kit.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings Жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your question, I'm not sure which pump you are talking about specifically but we sell pumps / tube / Jubilee clips / switch panels all separately. All the best, Richard
@gamberorossoandrea8433
@gamberorossoandrea8433 10 ай бұрын
CIAO. HO COMPRATO UNA POMPA AUTOMATICA, MA NON SO COME MONTARLA. A TRE FILI ROSSO, NERO, BLU. VOGLIO USARLA SENZA INTERRUTTORE, COME LA DEVO COLLEGARE??? GRAZIE
@robertking9137
@robertking9137 3 жыл бұрын
Wonder if the sensor type gets corrosion on sensor due to accumulation of deposits if it still will acctivate? The float may stick on other one due to slime or deposits as well ?? Hum im on the float one i think! ???
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment. There is not a sensor as such, inside is a micro-processor sealed away from the water. As to the float, yes is there is a build up of deposites inside the enclosure the float could get stuck, so it is a good idea to inspect and clean out inside the strainer from time to time.
@jamesbaucom9538
@jamesbaucom9538 Жыл бұрын
I was asking about a bilge pump. Does the bilge pump come with the automatic pump or do it separate? Which brand do you thing is the best with a built in automatic pump? Thanks for you help.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings Жыл бұрын
Hi thanks again for your question. Each pump has the automatic function built in.
@tylermoore6440
@tylermoore6440 3 жыл бұрын
i have a fully automatic bilge pump for my jet ski. its a rule 12v 3.0A 800 gph. i want to add a 3 way switch. does the switch have to be a certain volt and amp. i was looking at a basic on/off/on switch for about $10. thanks for your response
@andredesouza9767
@andredesouza9767 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think you can use a 3 way switch on a automatic pump, like the one you have. Because you only have two wires. If you have three wires, yes for sure you can use three way switch.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your question, any switch would have to be ok with the voltage and current draws. 12V is not a high voltage so in my experience any switch would be fine with the voltage, it is usually more the current draw that you have to be a little more careful with, but again 3A is not very high so you shouldn't find a problem finding a switch with that rating.
@timothyberlinski2299
@timothyberlinski2299 3 жыл бұрын
So if you have a really bad leak that electronic ome won't turn on for 2.5 min. Idk if i like that idea, can get pretty full
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment.
@selcukdemren4922
@selcukdemren4922 2 ай бұрын
If you have a leak that bad, a bilge pump can’t save your boat at all.
@danarnold5192
@danarnold5192 2 жыл бұрын
How are both of these pumps being powered? Are they being plugged in somewhere or ..
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your question, for this demonstration these were being powered by a variable voltage power supply, set to 12V
@scottdowney4318
@scottdowney4318 2 жыл бұрын
Over a long time, the electronic water sensing type will drain down a battery if boat is not plugged in to shore power, which is another reason I dont like it. It is also an electronic semiconductor circuit, maybe it fails. You dont want a pump like this to fail. You better off having 2 or more bilge pumps in each compartment of the bilge. I have 6 pumps for a 37 foot boat. In front of bilge, two 3700gph, one 2000 gph, one 350 gph for the shower sump which is open top. Then in the aft area, a 2000 gph and a 500 gph. Due to positioning, the forward 2000 gph and the rearward 500 gph do all the work, so the other pumps never run unless a severe problem happens, like a pump fails, or a bad leak. My bilge is divided in two with a mostly watertight bulkhead so the the boat might stay afloat if something bad happens in the rear.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott, many thanks for your detailed recommendations. I agree that having more bilge pumps is a good thing, and it is interesting to see the details of your configuration.
@scottdowney4318
@scottdowney4318 2 жыл бұрын
@@BoatFittings Thanks. I also do not have an off switch for any bilge pumps, having one is risky, you might turn off the power to the pump. My setup is each pump has its own float switch, the power to the pump thru the float switch is on the always on positive buss, regardless of battery selector switch. I have a start bank battery group 29. All it does is start all 3 engines main and generator, and some bilge pumps use it for power. I have two golf cart type batteries for the house, they run the other pumps. The bilge pump positive feed wires are 20 amp breaker protected. Then I have manual switches made by carling ( typical marine switch ). Turn on switch and the bilge pump runs. I have made a relay circuit so a single carling manual switch can run both pumps together. But the float switches only runs its own pump, (saves a switch position on the helm).
@scottdowney4318
@scottdowney4318 2 жыл бұрын
Here is that basic circuit, one switch can run 2 pumps, the two diodes prevent backfeed running of the other pump when its float switch (FS) turns on. (P1 and P2) are the bilge pumps. It is not showing the 12v cube relay to provide power to the pump and save the switches from getting fried, as the 3700 rule pump takes a lot of current to run. I also did not want a voltage drop cause that will slow down the pumping gph rate. I got the diagram from a friend so you can see the basic schematic idea. Basically the relays are activated by the switches and the relays then turn on the pumps, so just another layer gets added to the schematic. The diodes can be any larger diode out of a power supply. photos.app.goo.gl/UsLTnmGXPaTah5AN8
@jmca3324
@jmca3324 2 жыл бұрын
I have similar in a 55 ft boat , plus a Hyundai seawater diesel trash pump and two back up 240v submersible portable pumps , we also have 2x 2 inch Jabsco clutched pumps that can act as either deck hose or emergency bilge pumps . The portable pumps have normal shore power plugs fitted so we are able to assist casualties as long as our shore power leads will reach , worth considering if you have an on-board genset . Ours is a Perkins 403D 45kva ,which is about 15kva on single phase , obviously overkill but it also runs a water maker and a Zeigra 1.2ton/24 hr ice machine. Most of the above bilge solutions are mandatory for MCA cerification .
@EdMcCornhole
@EdMcCornhole 2 жыл бұрын
Do I need a drain plug on outside back of boat? The bilge pump is connected to the hole, it’s taking in a lot of water in the back and I have to manually turn on pump from control button at front. Does that mean the automatic part of pump is broke? I never had to do that in 3 years
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment - I am afraid that without being able to see your installation for myself I am not able to help with your question. I think it would be worth having a local marine engineer have a look over it for you. All the best, Richard
@EdMcCornhole
@EdMcCornhole 2 жыл бұрын
@@BoatFittings ok thanks, I think I solved problem, I put new drain plug in but the other hole was for livewell. So it’s not supposed to be covered. The pump is just mounted to the transom wall inside. Not as much water now but still slight leak. Thanks
@xxidentityexcalibur9926
@xxidentityexcalibur9926 2 жыл бұрын
Really wish I could get the automatic in the states would be great for my 18 foot wellcraft open fisherman
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment. If you can't get the automatic you might be able to buy a float switch to go with a manual pump to achieve the same effect.
@cornelisvanderbent8569
@cornelisvanderbent8569 3 жыл бұрын
What about separate bilge pumps like a Jabsco Puppy?
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your message, I am not sure exactly what you are asking, but having more than one bilge pump is always a good idea, in a way the more the better as long as the wiring (fuse / switch panel etc.) are up to the job.
@jmca3324
@jmca3324 2 жыл бұрын
Jabsco puppy would make a very poor bilge pump , they are more suitable as wash down pumps . We had one for domestic water supply , not pressurised , it did ok but if someone shuts a tap off without cutting power to the pump they burn out very quickly . It'd do the same if it sooked up anything from bilge , they aren't submersible either . They do pretty well as an engine sump pump though , ours has lasted 14 years pumping out an 8 gallon sump about once a month.
@jb243wp
@jb243wp 2 жыл бұрын
@@jmca3324 jabsco ballast puppy or ballast kings are crap.. . Very over priced and poor quality product, speaking from experience here.
@supermeatlongworthy6295
@supermeatlongworthy6295 3 жыл бұрын
How can you wire this to where you can plug it into an extension cord I want to use it to pump out rainwater out of my barrel?
@ManneFresh
@ManneFresh 3 жыл бұрын
Get a AC/DC switch, or a 230v/12v adapter and then make your own cigarette lighter connection I guess... :)
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your great question - look out for a video coming up for a 230V installation coming soon!
@chubbyBunny94
@chubbyBunny94 2 жыл бұрын
Can it be fully submerged
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your question - yes these are designed to be able to handle full submersion.
@JonniArmani
@JonniArmani Жыл бұрын
I have had all the pumps including the ones you have in the video and they all fail... including the rule pumps... now Im going float switch route...
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 10 ай бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment - sorry to hear that you have had so many pump failures. For what it's worth I prefer the float switch type overall. Kind regards, Richard
@mnhoss2100
@mnhoss2100 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi - glad you liked the video
@Ole-vu9yj
@Ole-vu9yj 22 күн бұрын
Lets think about electronic pumps at a lightning strike. All electronics just died and you have a leak...
@GSC727
@GSC727 11 ай бұрын
A lot of water can accumulate in 2.5 minutes if a problem occurs just after an electronic pump does a regular check.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 11 ай бұрын
Yes in that case you would be very unlucky. This would be very unlikely though. Kind regards, Richard
@brianheidel4550
@brianheidel4550 2 жыл бұрын
The boat could fill up and sink in 2 1/2 minutes! WTF?
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment. If you have a leak big enough to sink the boat in 2 1/2 minutes time you have a big problem on your hands. Lets hope that never happens :)
@JohannesFabender
@JohannesFabender 2 ай бұрын
The sound of the water is too loud.
@user-wi9se2lw8i
@user-wi9se2lw8i 9 ай бұрын
How amazing I would use this pump for irritating my farm
@mrtechie6810
@mrtechie6810 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't sound smart -- to have the pump running every 2.5 minutes, nor to have it delay startup for so long. If there is a bad storm or a serious leak, that delay could cost you your life!
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment
@chantalrubino337
@chantalrubino337 2 жыл бұрын
if you want to get rid of the water in a bath just remove the plug.
@BoatFittings
@BoatFittings 2 жыл бұрын
Ha Ha - thanks for your comment
@frankstocker5475
@frankstocker5475 8 ай бұрын
Why do you need an automatic pump in a bath? just pull the drain plug.
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They left the children in the car and went swimming themselves🌊😔
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Surely you don’t know this ☕️ #camping #survival #bushcraft #outdoors
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Он сладок, как поцелуй Горгоны…
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