A tad misleading, really needs "IF YOU DON'T NEED RAW" in yr title.

I do disagree on many points. Hear me out: The added weight is good for more stable footage, the monitor is way more precise for pulling focus, checking the frame, making sure lighting is correct. When recording external you don't get overheating issues. Since you record to SSD, Gigabytes cost less then on Memory cards. You can install custom luts and see final results while on set and show this to customers. You can record in more efficient codecs, since canon codecs are a pain in the *ss when it comes down to editing. So, overall, when you're serious about film making, there is no reason not to get an external recorder. The thing I'm curious about, is, since you were not happy with your first atomos purchase, why didn't you consider buying for example a blackmagic recorder?

I have the EOS R5 C. I need to buy a 1TB memory card. I'm thinking of buying the Atomos Ninja V+ because I believe it comes with a solid-state drive, right? What do you recommend? Thank you very much in advance. 🤠🙏

I shoot most of my video on a custom rig so the weight was acceptable. I also power it from a V mount battery and adapter. I have been using atomos since the Ninja 2 and love the savings on memory over cfexpress type A & B

I had a V+ stolen at the airport early this year. Last month I picked up a V for $399 with a Smallrig cage from Adorama. Was going to just pick up a monitor for all the reasons you’ve noted, but having the flexibility and coming with a cage the purchase made sense. All I really need is a monitor right now, but at the price point I’m not complaining.

I have to respectfully disagree. These are fantastic field monitors that end up being a wonderful tool on professional shoots. I have a Ninja and a 7" Shinobi and they come in extremely handy for interview setups and many other applications. In a way the Ninja can turn a mirrorless camera like that into something professionally useable, or just be a great swiss army knife in your toolbox for a real video camera. Happy shooting!

I don't mind a heavier camera. I'm old school. I carried around huge 25 pound betacams back in the day. You did not need the image stabilization back then because the weight made you more stable.

I have been looking at buying a ninja or even a ninja+ as I mainly photograph and video airshows, military aviation training or exercises, by turning the tripod foot above my lens and mounting a Sony AX53 or an AX43 4K video camera on that so that I can record video and take pictures simultaneously. This gets very heavy and sometimes it is difficult to line up the two cameras and keep them on the action. On hearing that you can connect the ninja to the canon R6 MK2 and record 4K video direct from the R6 MK2 sensor in the ninja and still take pictures with the R6 MK2 I became very interested. Only snag is despite a seller here in the UK confirming that this is possible, I haven't seen a video explaining how it works in practice, so im a little reluctant to commit to buy a ninja (new, not second hand) SSD's batteries cables etc. Is it possible that you can do a how to video showing how this works? Initially I'm hoping to record 4K footage in the ninja with sound and then take photos in the R6 mk2 I use lightworks for video editing, id be interested in your thoughts on this? ATB Andy

So you mentioned real estate videos. I'm in AZ doing videos on new build model homes and my Pixel 7 almost melted down one day when doing the outside. I saw a pop up, too bright outside to know what it was until my phone shut down and I took it out of the gimbal and it was scorching hot! Later I learned it's 2 things, video processing and screen display using up all the power and creating heat. So I was going to get a Canon R50 after some research and an external monitor and would like to have a big screen but not have a VCR sized box on the camera. Do I need a monitor that processes and stores to really keep the camera from melting down? After this video and reading the comments I not sure what to think about the Atomos, do you have any recommendations for my setup? Learning DR, have 18.5 Studio and the Speed Editor Keyboard. Loving all that! Going to your channel now. Thanks!

LOL Checked the link and as always Amazon boosted the price and now it's the low low price of $400 well 399. Good point and that is why I don't have either one I just rely on what's in camera and work that. Adding more bit depth will not fix composition, bad lighting, or frame. Keep creating! New subscriber

Has there been a solution developed or even sold for adapting an nvme m.2 to work with the ninja or shogun? I was eyeballing the shogun ultra, but it appears that they still use SSDs. I like the Andycine method, and see that they have nvme adapters to usb (I use crucial in an enclosure to capture ProRes HQ with my lumix s5iix, but it would be interesting to break into the RAWs as well). I'm open to advice. I am settled into Prores as I have access to the entire creative cloud for about 19 a month and I heavily use adobe at this point and would prefer to stay there for the time being. I guess most of that was superfluous info, but just curious if a solution exists.

The Ninja V made the Canon R videos go up to 10bit and it always performed wonderfully. Also, when I had the R6 it also made it easy to record - stationary - long form content. Yes, the setup up process is annoying and make quick adjustments difficult, but I would not want to miss my Ninja V. Also working with SSDs was quite nice since everything is so fast. I do however tend to use it only when I really need it.

I do not have any batteries on my Ninja V. Picked up a battery eliminator with a USB-C to barrel power cord. Wear a battery pack belt and literally have all day power. Just needed lots of SSDs, Andycine Lunchbox II and Samsung 2TB drives are really cheap and reliable.

Raw or log not needed for talking heads, most video clients don’t appreciate the difference. Get gear for Raw for your own creative projects and to upsell to interested clients.

Bought my V+ a while back and never looked back. The 8k RAW from the R5 is sick.

The one thing I dislike about the Atomos recorders is the media. It would be much more helpful if Atomos would have direct recording to highspeed portable ssds connected by a type c cable. A codec that would be raw and work in Resolve would also be great. Framing,focusing, peaking, an Atomos asset.

Kinda disagree with your thinking here. I use R6’s (two because they overheat). I purchased the Ninja V to overcome the 30 minute record limit and help with overheating. Two issues you don’t encounter with the R6 ii. But what I also like is that I can record non Log footage to the Ninja V using H265 xq and get 10bit 422 where the R6 only gives you 8 bit 420 IPB. I’d love the 6k raw option for shooting in changing light conditions or events where keeping up with white balance changes is very difficult. I also appreciate the cheap media compared to SD cards.

​ @JaredHoyman I own the R5 and with the latest firmware the camera is not overheating. I use the V+ when I want to shoot long video on h.265 or Prores. I prefer 8k raw since is 12bit only use the Proresraw at 5k for the 60fps at 12 bit other than that is just a monitor and I'm about to buy a 2nd camera (R6II) and I will buy just a monitor and use the V+ with ether one when I need it

I shoot with a super minimal R5c set up.. not even a cage but can use a larger V mount battery to give me a full day of just video and photos. Charges the camera while turned off too. I always liked the idea of getting a recorder to shoot Pro Res Raw just for fun and experiment with however I don’t really have a computer to support the edit or it takes 15 hours to export a 3 min clip or 8k raw and can barely play back on my computer. The XFAVC 4k CLOG3 that I can shoot with the R5c is SOOOO much better the quality is phenomenal and I can edit it so smoothly on my PC using Premiere for now and export times are blazing fast. If anything I would want a larger and brighter screen because the LCD just can’t hold up in brighter days. Super tough to even see focus and exposure that I mainly have to just wing it and rely on the waveform diagram.

is it possible to Transfer the movie over WiFi from Ninja Ultra direct to my Windows PC and Android Smartphone for remote view (without Cloud Subscription) ?

I originally got the V+ as the only way to get file timecode into FX3 recordings. The Ninja is so chunky and heavy and loud I dreaded using it or straight up couldn’t use it in most scenarios. As soon as Sony released the timecode adapter cable and firmware update all I’ve used the Ninja for is ripping videos of shows I’ve worked on. Pretty overpriced for that

I have the original canon EOS R and I saw all the big names talk about how it can be transformed into a baby C200 and I bought it with such high hopes. It is a nice monitor, but it is so too heavy and it glitches so often that it’s not reliable for contract work….

You figured out everything that I had to figure out as well. The only thing it is really good for is to just be used as a monitor only for false color. No need to record to it with all the built in camera codecs and SSD recording. Not going to lie though.... the onion skin in the Ninja is fun to play with.

It all depends on what you need the most, if you have an EOS R like me and prefer the log 10bit and SSD instead of the SD Card then you have to carry the weight like i do, it’s painful yes especially when you age but that’s what it is 😊

I never thought about the hdmi raw method, don't know much about it, but read that lower in the comments. I do have a laptop, but both are about 8 lbs. Would be cool to stay lighter, but I am open to suggestions.

People talking about HDMI make me feel stupid using a R5C with the smaller and shitties HDMI port that shouldn’t even exist 😂

Disagree; I get more bit depth with my ninja V & Sony FX3 and the color/dynamic range/contrast seems to come out more pleasing straight off the ninja V as well (at least with my combo)

All I can say is 😂 I still have my Ninja V when it’s was first announce that I currently use with my S1H and never needed to upgrade don’t really see a reason too either.

Add more weight to your rig, 6-8 pounds is the sweet spot for stable, natural looking hand held footage - saving 1/2 a pound isn’t going to make your or break anything

Im Raw rich i mean broke . Got 20g tied up trying to shoot a cheap raw cam (Lumix) coulda got an r5c w rf 24-70. Back is broke .just havin some french cries 🎉

I agree with you and wish I hadn't bought it. Burns through batteries like a hot knife though butter. don't like the extra weight of a bigger battery and could never get it to trigger record from my fx6. Only upside is I bought it used.

I want something that records 4k 120 and 8k 30. What are my options?

If one cannot tell the benefits of raw video or Prores then they never needed it in the first place. Those formats exist for a good reason and commonly used in the professional world. Yes it's true when just looking at the video as is there isn't much if any difference. thats by design. The whole point of modern video codecs is to visually look like there is no compression. At least in terms of what we see with the naked eye. We have reached that level for a long time now. What the h264 and HEVC formats do is toss out the stuff in a very intelligent way that we really cannot see with our eyes. The codecs know it's subtle enough detail that it can be sacrificed and will not be missed. Thats how the video can be so tiny in comparison to larger formats like raw or uncompressed. It's when we need to push the video beyond just a as is visual experience that these larger formats matter. It's the same reason why we record 32bit audio or want 14+ stops of dynamic range. Overhead. It gives us the room and flexibility in post to push the content in different levels than it was recorded as. Yes 10bit 422 HEVC is pretty darn robust when compared to the crude 8bit 4:2:0 HDV days but the video doesn't get that small without throwing out data. That tossed out data is the very subtle data but it's still lost data. It's the data that matters when lifting up shadows, when pulling a key or altering color in a dramatic way. Sure it's not always needed but the point is it doesn't hurt to have it either. As long as one has the storage space and the processing power to handle it then why not? Why not have it just in case? I mean we don't really need more than 10 stops of dynamic range either. Especially if one exposures correctly. rec709 can only really see 8ish stops and thats with a large S curve that crams a few extra stops into a sliver of space. Higher range essentially becomes nothing more than a rolloff in a vain attempt to make SDR video feel less limited. Even HDR 1000 which I work with has limited dynamic range of about 10-12 stops depending on a lot of factors and viewing device types. It's fairly pointless to have 15 stops of dynamic range. What it does give us however is the ability to alter the exposure of a shot a lot easier. Thats why we like to have the overhead. For me shooting raw video is done for the same reason why I shoot raw photos. I have more creative control over the look vs what an engineer decided was optimal. Yes its more work but one can argue so is working with raw photos over just shooting jpegs. DSLRs shoot some very impressive jpegs these days and in many cases provide a very clean optimal photo right out of the box. Many pros still however choose to shoot raw photos and prefer to get their hands dirty and really dig into the creative process to massage and cook their own look and style. Same goes for video. Just because its video doesn't mean we should settle or just accept an engineers perspective. Sometimes we want that full creative control. So no it's not a waste of money at all. A good monitor provides a larger display, a brighter display, a more accurate display, better exposure tools which are seriously lacking when shooting video on most Canon cameras. Tools such as false color and a a waveform that actually stays on the screen when we hit record. I love my R6 and R5 but the video tools are seriously limited. On the Ninja I can shoot HDR video and actually see 1000 nit HDR on the Ninja V display with pseudo 10bit color. I have a larger 5" display at 1080p resolution to better see details and manual focus. I use a loupe on my Ninja V meaning I have a large 5" 1920x1080 EVF on my R5 where I can shoot in any bright sunlight and see just about any detail as I shoot it. I also use a BMD Pocket 4k and yes that 5" screen makes a difference. The tools make a difference. Being able to load my own SDR or HDR look luts to shoot with makes a difference. This is all even before factoring in the recording formats. Camera monitors in general are pretty popular for the reasons I mentioned above. 3" screens on DSLRs kind of suck. They are ok but far from a professional video display for serious video work. Now with all that said I will say on my R5 I record 8k internal Canon raw video because it's amazingly perfect video. I prefer to use it over ProRes raw. So I use my Ninja largely as just a really good professional display now. I will on occasion use it to record video but the R5 even has all-i formats internally so yes I am finding it much less important to record externally these days. At least o the R5. The R6 and R6 mk2 have a lot more limited video options. Even then one only really should do it if they find themselves hitting a ceiling with the internal formats. Raw video doesn't have to be for everyone. It's not magically going to look better on its own ether. You either need it and know how to benefit from it or you don't.

but to record 6K you need an external recorder. Can't you use the Macbook with an 8KHDMI to USB-C adapter and record on the Mac without spending $500-800 on Ninjas?

Somehow after watching this video I've become convinced I need the Atomos Ninja V! Reverse psychology!

I've never owned a Ninga, but my first experience using a monitor on a canon is that you lose all the touch screen options from your screen. Maybe that's changed, but that was my deal breaker. I enjoy using clog 3 and IPB light so I would find Pro Res, or Pro Res Raw to be too huge with limited trade-off. I'm now in the Sony world too and for the most part I;ve been shooting 4k xavc HS 30 MB 420, which is like a tiny IPB light and 10 bit 420. It looks nearly identical and super small, no banding issues (420 was tested by Gerald undone and it is not a deal breaker. Canon smallest 4K bitrate is 60MB and Sony is 30MB. Then I can always hit it with Topaz Video AI , if I need too. I honestly wish that Canon would have a 10 bit 420 option. In the Canon world I've been preferring my R7 over my R6 for video. The r7 in 4K Fine is clean and has more dynamic Range then the R6 or R6ii and it can easily match my Sony Colors

When is your course going to be available?

I use my ninja v with a Sony a1, which is one of the few cameras that lets you change your iso in post, so I never have to set it at filming ever again. Unfortunately, ever since the latest firmware update I’ve had terrible audio syncing problems. I don’t know what happened! 😢

Yeah, I have an R5 C so I decided to go with the Shinobi. I appreciate you saving me $300

The more i look into the Ninja long term users the more I keep coming across massive defects on them. It feels like a massive gamble to get these. Last but not least, they seem like overpriced potatoes. Their displays are tiny, 1080p, require stupid batteries, the HDMI cable lottery, they’re loud, etc. am I overthinking this? They seem great on paper ( display resolution and power options not withstanding), but they feel like such a gamble. This all feels like a really bad joke. Thanks for sharing!

Is the fan loud? Does it run hot?

that setup looks light as!

Atomos Ninja V for me has been a collection of errors. stopping sometimes right in middle of important job or giving me killing frozen and unresponsive screen. and finally the fact that you need to pay 99$ to get the H.265 for long recordings that you really just want to deliver the file right off the camera... all these make it a disappointment for me. now with R6 and R5 I need to use it but if I get the R6 II or there's an update for R5 to go unlimited, I don't think I would still bear all the hassle.

I am unsold

Great video, mate.

im subbed to your channel- but again of course its heavy cause you don't have a proper video rig setup - if you had a proper rig setup the screen is not a problem at all, especially with a external battery mounted

V+ for sure if you're shooting ProRes RAW. You can easily edit PR RAW in DR using reasonably priced RawConverter. Tons of benefits to that approach. If it's too heavy just use the F750 battery. You'll get half an hour/ batt. Who records a single take of more than 20 minutes? With creativity, you can even rig the Ninja on a gimbal with your Canon! We do that all the time and it is bad-ass!

The only point that bothers me a lot is the missing mirror function. The cheaper Atomos Shinobi has it. A lot of no name garbage monitors have it too.

Jared Hoyman's perspectives are not wrong. But at the same time I get the feeling that he hasn't done the due process on researching what equipment he needs, then after buying a monitor complains about the obvious. Battery life times for Atomos recorders along with the bulk & weight of NP-F batteries can be found online easily. Also shooting on Raw is an intensive process. I don't know how anyone could buy an external recorder (V+) with the intent to shoot Raw and not expect it to be a bit of a pain to deal with the workflow...

i use my atomos ninja v+ because i can get 2,5 inch ssds for really cheap compared to the really expensive type-a sony cards

So it is not only me. Same feeling for Ninja here!

Using the Ninja, is it a dirty out or a clean out?

Please give me more of that frustration, feels like the real filmmakers life...

I keep getting disconnect errors. I have tried a million different cables. I can't keep the dang thing connected. Does anyone have a cable that works 100% of the time on 4K60? I even bought the expensive $60+ ATOMOS cable and it didn't work either.

The old Ninja V can now be upgraded to the new Ninja. You can switch your old Ninja V to OS 11 for free. However, once you do this there are limitations on features. Atomos is now offering the H.265 upgrade for $79.00 and this purchase will unlock all features of OS 11 as well. You now have the "New Ninja".

I have the feeworld 7” and the Atomos V the feeworld is so much easier to use.

I agree, i bought this but i'm also pissed!

Yeah, problem is CLOG get a plunger ND a lumix or Sony but clogs suck

What is so ridiculous about Atomos is that you cannot buy used...well you can but you won't be able to update it unless the person gives you access to their Atomos account. I am stuck with a used one with old firmware.

i don't think its a Ninja issue, (although its over 40% over priced) it sounds like a Canon issue

I had to use the ninja on a shoot once in someone elses studio (not my gear) and it was a pretty big nuisance. My nikon z8 can record 8k raw/prores raw/ and prores all internal so theres already no need to be on a ninja. If the ninja allowed me to save files in blackmagic raw that would be a massive selling point for me but since prores raw is useless to me since i edit on resolve the ninja is just a waste of cash.

I enjoyed your video, not because I agreed with you because I don't, but I was interested in your perspective. I have been using Atomos recorders since the very first Ninja One and I'm a big fan but that's because I do video differently. I have two Ninja V's, 1 Ninja and 1 Samurai. I shoot live theatre, concerts and dance shows. I use tripods, weight is not a problem. I need ProRes because it is easy to edit, although I also record internally in H264 for backup. I need to record on SSD's because they are economical when you shoot long continuous takes. My cameras and recorders are powered by V-mount batteries (for the most part) because, like you, I don't like the large batter mounted on the Ninja V. I think it is a mistake to think that all videographers shoot the way that you do and face the same challenges.

It's less to do with the brand and more to do with "Do you need an external recorder?" I think a lot of people buy external recorders for the 6K RAW, but do little to any research on the power requirements and the data requirements. This is why if you really are thinking about filming in RAW 1. You don't film events with RAW. 2. You are mainly a Narrative or Commerical Filmmaker 3. You want RAW but don't want to pay for a RED or Black Magic Setup 4. You should know you need proper rigging for an external Monitor. However if you really want to shoot RAW on a budget I will always recommend people to buy a blackmagic before buying an external monitor with media. Why External Recorders existed before was for cinema cameras to have Redundancy, like the Odyessy. Secondly, they came about because Hybrid shooters don't want a Blackmagic because it shoots only video, so the external recorder gave it a RAW option it did not have before. The main thing people don't realize is Blackmagic and RED have different compressions of data for RAW. PRORES RAW is massive, if you compare it to lower compressions of R3D or BRAW it will dwarf those in size. You start buying a shit ton of drives and now you realize, hell, should have bought a cinema camera. I used to own an A7SII back in the day and I thought it would be great, but honestly, buy cameras for their intent. When you have to attach too much crap to it, you basically void the reason which makes it enjoyable. I bought two XH2S cameras and they shoot beautifull ProRes internally and requires no external monitor and that works best for keeping my packing small and quality of media high. Then I have a RED Komodo for my commercial work. Now I know not everybody can afford this, but there are budget ways to get similiar results. GH5 shoots excellent ProRes and the BlackMagic 4K Pocket shoots excellent raw. It's actually hilarious because back in the day, Ninja had the Ninja Star. An external recorder with no monitor. I wish they would come out with one of those that takes a low power draw because honestly when you're running and gunning, the monitor can get in the way.

Sounds like all the issues you had with it are because it didn’t suit your specific needs

I have an R6 that stops at 29:59 *cries*

Thank you for saving me a lot of money!!! It is soooo top heavy with the Atomos!

Man this monitor recorder is amazing, I just think you were not the target and didn't do the proper research before purchasing.

With the price of the ninja a person should just get a s5iix and record straight to SSD and just pick up a cheap monitor

This entire video really just sounds like a skill issue. The Atomos has a lot of on screen cinema features that help with the filmmaking process and the screen size already makes it worth it like you said and it also makes clients happy to see the shots while in action. I think you bought a tool that you didn't fully understand whether or not it would be good for your work flow.

The best video I saw this week 😂😂😂 An anti gear video on you tube I like it

sata standard is out of date

What if Im not a videographer but still want a larger screen? What are some other good options?

I heard the the ninja V can only record in 4k 30p, is this true? Also when purchasing the Atomos Ninja you have spend on storage? does it not come with storage?

Add one more BIG criticism of the Atomos Ninja: They STILL use SATA connectors to record. NVMe drives have gotten VERY inexpensive. Why keep using the old , slower SATA connectors? I'd love to be able to use 2 TB NVMe drives in an external recorder, but can't. Atomos is becoming a dinosaur (SATA) in an modern (NVMe) world.

The ninja v is the only piece of filmmaking gear that has ever failed me on set. I'm glad that this product is now all but irrelevant given our amazing new 10bit h265 codecs.

thank you for saving my money

Hi Jared, thanks a lot for your video. Usually I don't comment. However, the way you delivered the content was tremendous. Very intriguing! Thank you.

I have 2 x Ninja V units each with 1TB ATOMX SSD cards. I had a problem where they would intermittently have these line drop artifacts in vision. Long story short, it was the SSDs not sitting tightly in the slot and degrading the connection! Gaff tape successfully to the rescue! That there is ATOMOS in a nutshell.

Factsssss, one of the worst purchases I've made

Just buy a Z8. Problem solved.

lol

Sir I dont agree with you: I am a fully newbie in video editing, camera gear etc. That said: I was able to record in ProRes Raw + SLOG3 on my Sony FX3 + Atomos Ninja+ with very less efforts and research (we all know that there are enough KZfaq tutorials for this to make even a monkey be able to do video editing). My first challenge was to import the ProRes RAW files into DaVinci Resolve. Yes at the beginning I had to do some resarch. After 30 minutes of research and howtos I was able to easily import and edit ProPres Raw in DaVinci Resolve. The solution was very simple: I used the "ProResRaw Converter" in Windows to create editable Davinci Resolve files. No problem at all. Overall I am very happy with my Atomos Ninja and have bought the new Ultra version as a second monitor.

This video is very funny

You simply need to get back on your meds. They shot a whole movie with an ninja V… An $80 million movie at that. Part of your problem is Canon. Switch to Sony you’ll get much better results. It really does seem you don’t know what you’re talking about. Or maybe you do and you just don’t know how to explain yourself. But your video was so so so boring. couldn’t get to the end of it so I’ll never know if you actually got to the point.

Looool

The worst is Atomosfor a few days a can’t set my Ninja v plus it takes video but no audio no one posts on how Atomos never responds to my emails 4 days and I am still playing with it it’s a real peace of garbage I was buying the 7” shogun ultra but now. Am checking where to get a deferent crap Atomos is real garbage it doesn’t work don’t buy there product at sll