Don't Use Air Suspension On Your Class C RV: Understanding Why!

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In this video we take a look at an awesome 30ft Ford Class C RV built by Sunseeker! The owner of this RV came in to get rid of its air suspension and go to a 6" Lift Kit. Why? Well truth is air suspension isn't as good and it's not all of the hype. With custom springs you will get far more lift, articulation and a way better ride. Not to mention it's also great for towing too. These are just some of the few reasons but be sure to watch this video to check out the full build and tour with plenty more information. Be sure to give this video a like and don't forget to subscribe to the channel for more content like this!
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@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
***WE ARE NOT GIVING THE AIRBAGS AWAY...JUST A JOKE***
@jaggerjavion6048
@jaggerjavion6048 2 жыл бұрын
I realize it's kinda randomly asking but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released movies online ?
@officiallucifer
@officiallucifer 3 жыл бұрын
1 Helper bags have been put on everything from semis to daily driven tow rigs, and lowboys for years and years 2 If you use a quality bag instead of cheap shit ones they don't expand at the bellows so you get alot more lift with less pressure. 3 Quality air bags can handle up to 200 psi easily such as conitech, slam specialty, or airlift. 4 If 112psi only gives you an inch than your brackets are completely setup wrong or you are running undersized bags. 5 An on board compressor gives you the versatility to only pump them when needed for a heavy load or towing. 6 A lift and heavier springs will make your motorhome ride like dog shit when it's unloaded. 7 Helper air springs aren't meant to be a lift at all. They are meant as suplemental support to maintain stock height when towing or carrying a heavy load. 8 Air bags are a cheap way when set up correctly to drastically reduce body roll that alot of larger rvs have. I'm not saying that a lift or heavier springs, sway bars, shocks or any of that aren't great ideas. I would love to have my 2020 chateau 31' a little higher when I'm out on my dune trips, but to say that someone shouldn't use them is not good advice. If properly setup and quality components are used, an airbag setup can give you a great bang for the buck improvement on your handling and tow capacity.
@rage801
@rage801 2 жыл бұрын
I believe everything you said. The guy in the video sounds like a used car salesman trying to talk mechanics LOL but everything you listed makes sense everything this guy spitting out of his mouth makes absolutely no sense! I added airbags to my class c and I couldn't be happier! No more body roll
@officiallucifer
@officiallucifer 2 жыл бұрын
@rage801 yep this is more of an infomercial for their lift kit instead of a helpful video. That's why I felt like I had to respond with some truth.
@JayKay730i
@JayKay730i 2 жыл бұрын
100% correct! Anyone can see that the air bags that were on this thing are pathetic. It should have at least an 8” diameter double bellow on each side. It would then sit right at relatively low pressure and have a nice ride.
@guttermastersplus5613
@guttermastersplus5613 Жыл бұрын
I agree one hundred percent airbags a ride for a smooth ride airbags absolutely make the ride more sturdy and more smooth my airbags lift back of my RV at least 4 to 5 in and stiffer springs are not the answer for anything unless you're constantly carrying a massive load
@vr4junkie385
@vr4junkie385 3 жыл бұрын
I wanna see one of these lifted RVs going thru a rocky trail road to see the suspension working and doing its job
@muchmorethan10words
@muchmorethan10words 3 жыл бұрын
I love what you have done to it: black wheels, front bumper, 6 inches lifted. And those are what I want for my ford. Thank you!
@andrewsmith9575
@andrewsmith9575 3 жыл бұрын
Perfection as always! Love the black out. Rear springs look amazing.
@jeremyjohnson8361
@jeremyjohnson8361 3 жыл бұрын
Your 2 kind. Thanks for hanging out and watching.
@JohnDrivesAnything
@JohnDrivesAnything 3 жыл бұрын
I just visited you guys an hour ago. Can't wait to get my lift kit installed.
@jeremyjohnson8361
@jeremyjohnson8361 3 жыл бұрын
Great meeting you today. We look forward to building your van with you.
@chipandrews2892
@chipandrews2892 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome build as usual!!
@hardrock6034
@hardrock6034 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the info on air bags. Thanks!
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
No problem!
@outbackwack368
@outbackwack368 Жыл бұрын
You'll be working on my Forester in a few weeks! I can't wait to see the final outcome!!! Thanks!
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns Жыл бұрын
Can't wait!
@darrylm3627
@darrylm3627 3 жыл бұрын
Good Stuff & Great Tips 👍 Thanks!
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@mellamolucero
@mellamolucero 3 жыл бұрын
I really like you, seem cool as heck. Good content, seems real honest.
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
Always a good time over here! Thanks for checking us out and subscribing!
@ram-zgraphics8812
@ram-zgraphics8812 2 жыл бұрын
I am so saving all my money to get your lift it’s gonna take me awhile but I love you videos and I cannot wait to camp where I want to here in Colorado I have a 2018 thor e-450
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, we look forward to making your RV awesome and drive AMAZING with our suspension.
@bobg8309
@bobg8309 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍 Another great video very entertaining
@jeremyjohnson8361
@jeremyjohnson8361 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob.... I do my best.
@ComputerBob99
@ComputerBob99 6 ай бұрын
Very fair and informational.
@jeffdurling100
@jeffdurling100 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to ask again if there is any negative to leaving the heavy duty leaf springs and trackbar on? Also, you did a great series of videos almost 2 years ago showing eh front end instal on a van. Could you guys film the install on a RV both front and rear and can we see underneath how the leaf springs are sitting when back on the ground? Mainly curious where the arch ends up. Slightly arched, flat (doubt it). As I said before, I literally have the same unit as this in a Forester and will be getting this done at some point but probably going to be a little while yet. Thanks
@jimcraig5612
@jimcraig5612 2 жыл бұрын
Great video - very informative. I live in Nova Scotia and recently bought a Four Winds 24F C class on E-450 chassis. I feel like it could use an inch or two more clearance, but mostly would like a better ride. Feels driving a fridge riding on dodge-balls, and rough roads are brutal. Know of any options up here in Canada?
@jeffdurling100
@jeffdurling100 3 жыл бұрын
So I have the Forester version of this RV. I have already done Hellwig bars and track bar. I did shocks and steering stabilizer as well. If I went with your kit I should have no issues losing the shocks and stabilizer for better units. Is there any reason to not keep the heavier sway bars and trackbar? I get that they are not needed with your kit because you actually go for the root of the problem, especially the reverse-arched springs. I don't mind a little stiffer ride if it still helps improve things around a corner. I am not criticizing here, just asking so I understand better. I admit I would never really go that far off-road except when going out west and maybe taking advantage of BLM land. I do like the look and the additional clearance it provides. Been lucky and haven't dragged but those jacks concern me and long low overhang out the back. One last thing. Couldyou possibly try and do a few videos showing the ride difference after the install. I know 's 'hard to do but maybe see if an owner would describe the ride before and after. That always helps to hear too.
@patricklynch4982
@patricklynch4982 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a cool Bus!
@evanspage5
@evanspage5 3 жыл бұрын
I've got a 34'Vesta c-class, it has airbags from the factory, is that the same as this setup? Should I look at new springs to get is a little more comfortable to drive?
@TheRuggedOutdoorsmen
@TheRuggedOutdoorsmen 2 жыл бұрын
Love it !!
@rayandsandy7649
@rayandsandy7649 2 жыл бұрын
Would like to see chinook on f350 and f450. Also more before and after with test drives please.
@ReindeerBork
@ReindeerBork 19 күн бұрын
Air bags are best used as supplemental or being oversized. All the issues you outline come from running high pressure in an overloaded situation. I have Airbags on my truck camper, I wanted the help to remove a bit of squat, additionally being able to dial in my needs from them for different loading situations. I only run about 30 PSI to achieve this and the truck ride beautifully and is quite stable. My bags are rated for 100psi and tbh if I needed anymore than 50PSI to gain the height I need then yeah new springs and or adding a block would come before adding a heap of pressure.
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 9 күн бұрын
Well said!
@richardfrink6064
@richardfrink6064 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 31' Class C E-450 almost identical to one in video. Where can I get these mods done in Las Vegas? I added sumo springs and Steering stabilizer, but I off rod camp and would like sway bars and shocks.
@ollieandson
@ollieandson 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if it would be feasible for me to drive my RV all the way from Iowa to CA to do a black out and lift kit even though I would love you guys to do the work. I have a 2004 Ford 450 Jayco Greyhawk 26SS. I can order just about everything from you guys for my lift kit and black out 👀 look . Other than the grill, tires, blackout coated rims. Any suggestions on finding someone to power coat my wheels. Suggestions on ordering tires and grill.
@ttcobrareplica
@ttcobrareplica 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to know if these kits increase load carrying capacity and towing capacity. And if so how much
@worldhopper1
@worldhopper1 2 жыл бұрын
Can you help a guy with an1983 chevy G30 25 foot RV...Love the workmanship of your product
@reggieowens2631
@reggieowens2631 3 жыл бұрын
I ha e 2000 Chevy Chalet. New Bilstein shocks all around and Sumosprings in rear. Still rides Iike there's no suspension. On rocks. Will bigger leaf springs help?
@leemiller986
@leemiller986 2 жыл бұрын
Wish you would have showed clearance measurements aft spring install
@chuckb6531
@chuckb6531 3 жыл бұрын
What type of aluminum wheels can fit for a 2019 E450 class C ? I only find Alcoa. Does anyone else make some that fit? Great videos!
@taz104
@taz104 Жыл бұрын
You have the drop for the sway bar, but what if we've already done Hellwig oversize swaybars and want to lift a couple...or few inches?
@ajalzaidy890
@ajalzaidy890 Жыл бұрын
What’s the tires brand used?
@vernonsteinkamp1088
@vernonsteinkamp1088 10 ай бұрын
I have 1981 Chevy 20' class C. It has air bags but one, the air line leaks. Instead of fixing it, id rather do away with them. Can the coach ride fine without the airbags? Im new at this so i havent a clue.
@dougcutts5172
@dougcutts5172 3 жыл бұрын
When are you gonna do a Chevy 4500 Class C RV ? I have a 22’ Sunseeker and it sits too low. It has your favorite air bags on the rear and sits damn near on the bump stops up front. Helllllllllllppp !!!
@MaxMeridius0920
@MaxMeridius0920 2 жыл бұрын
I want my Sunseeker to look like this!
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 2 жыл бұрын
I want your sunseeker to look like this!
@julooruiz4375
@julooruiz4375 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I purchase new spring for my E350 class c rv
@bigjim11566
@bigjim11566 3 жыл бұрын
You doing new grills or sanding an painting,, if latter, maybe a vid on that
@gregsepaniac8966
@gregsepaniac8966 3 жыл бұрын
What can I do to improve handling my 2002 days Dodge RoadTrek? Great content on your videos!!
@jeremyjohnson8361
@jeremyjohnson8361 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I have not played with the dodge at all?
@juliorodriguez8566
@juliorodriguez8566 3 жыл бұрын
I own this same model ...now I know how mine would look if I use this lift ...really like it! but I'm a chrome type of guy
@johnhershey4010
@johnhershey4010 3 жыл бұрын
How much will it cost to up grade my Suspension on my 1973 Dodge Minnie Winnie class C RV.
@steevefortin5556
@steevefortin5556 Жыл бұрын
really good video!! I have exactly the same model and I would like to have it as you did in the video. can you tell me where you are located and how much can its modification cost?
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns Жыл бұрын
We are located in San Diego, California
@michaellott6716
@michaellott6716 2 жыл бұрын
Cost ball park on this one? With out bumper and hub cap?
@shilosheena
@shilosheena 3 жыл бұрын
I do both extra leafs and airbags at 30 psi or so
@WTF-sh4is
@WTF-sh4is 2 жыл бұрын
I never see the cards that you reference in the video. Is something wrong with my KZfaq?
@PDragon21
@PDragon21 2 жыл бұрын
Will your 6in Kit eliminate body rolls in corners and when Semi-Truck passes by?
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it will! :) Our whole kit is an entire suspension upgrade to give you the best overall control of your vehicle.
@klny3475
@klny3475 3 жыл бұрын
Very Informative! Good video.
@TheMoshel
@TheMoshel 2 жыл бұрын
Why will you not recommend the airlift, I was thinking of installing it in my class c motorhome
@JerryCombs1
@JerryCombs1 3 жыл бұрын
I have a forest river e450 chassis with airbags. Towing capacity is currently rated at 7500 lbs. Will the rear spring setup you describe increase towing capacity?
@WildhareXXX
@WildhareXXX 3 жыл бұрын
No. Stick with the airbags.
@johnr5545
@johnr5545 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job what state are you in I have a 1998 32 foot RV I would like to get a price from you
@sparkyray
@sparkyray 3 жыл бұрын
how much what you did set me back on a coachman m319 yes airbag you can toss away sumoshocks would been better what your springsbeen best
@yahwingisrael
@yahwingisrael Жыл бұрын
I have an RV and I like to also have better shocks on the back of the RV can you help me out with that?
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns Жыл бұрын
Yes we offer shocks with all of our suspension packages.
@leol8105
@leol8105 Жыл бұрын
Decent airbags are not like bricks, but softer than steel springs. Airbags can actually make the ride smoother over rough roads: perceived road bumps depend on how much of the up/down movement of the wheel is transmitted to the vehicle; with stiff leaf springs (extra stiff to carry the weight) much of the bump motion gets through. With part of the axle weight taken by an airbag, and the leaf spring less "compressed" and less stiff, the bump motion is transmitted by a softer spring and by the airbag, which obviously is less stiff than a steel spring and transmits less bump motion. (Imagine hitting something with a hammer, either steel to steel, or steel to rubber; which would be quieter?) Result: slightly smoother ride on rough roads. The air bag pressure should be tested for best result, I have heard 70psi. (Air suspension trucks and coaches use only air-bladders and no metal springs, with an much much smoother ride because the large air bag can move with the road bump without transferring much movement to the axle. Because this suspension so soft, it needs active pressure management to continuously compensate for weight changes and swaying in turns, which makes it expensive).
@carstendonohue-moll8325
@carstendonohue-moll8325 3 жыл бұрын
What does the new spring look under load on the RV?
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
I'll have to do a video showing but it sit with positive arc rather than negative like stock
@marcdeleon757
@marcdeleon757 Жыл бұрын
I want to do this to my Thor four winds 30d. Where are you guys?
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns Жыл бұрын
We are in San diego, give us a call 619-596-9831
@bryanrayner3715
@bryanrayner3715 Жыл бұрын
What are the names of the rear leaf springs for my 26 foot sunseeker E450.
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns Жыл бұрын
Sorry i dont understand the question, but would love to help.
@hectormartinez6554
@hectormartinez6554 Жыл бұрын
I will use the airbags to level left to right because the passenger side is always tilted down that’s what I will use airbags for. But if you have anything that will fix that problem well awesome let me see what you got👍
@vinesofoldmission
@vinesofoldmission 3 жыл бұрын
Please have one of your customers tell us how the vehicle handles after the lift. I have a 2020 31 Château.. I only have 34% of the weight on the front axle. Can your lift fix this?
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
if it is built off the Ford E-Series chassis then yes we can lift kit!
@vinesofoldmission
@vinesofoldmission 3 жыл бұрын
E 450 Ford. 2019
@broncogirl8232
@broncogirl8232 3 жыл бұрын
I am very happy with the way our 2013 Born Free MH turned out .Drives and handles great with a Hellwig say bar in the rear no sway bar in front
@friedrich1957
@friedrich1957 Жыл бұрын
Thought I was looking at suspension input. Not putting a winch up front
@angelrivera2587
@angelrivera2587 2 жыл бұрын
Do you any videos of upgradeing the suspension without lifting it?
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 2 жыл бұрын
Not yet but we are coming out with a 2-inch kit though! Not as high as the current kits.
@angelrivera2587
@angelrivera2587 2 жыл бұрын
@@WeldtecDesigns sounds good , i’am in New Jersey . I use the RV mainly to go to the drag strip .
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 2 жыл бұрын
@@angelrivera2587 Keep an eye out! :)
@angelrivera2587
@angelrivera2587 2 жыл бұрын
@@WeldtecDesigns will do 👍🏼
@sparkyray
@sparkyray 3 жыл бұрын
what you think about sumo shock
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
not a fan
@searlearnold2867
@searlearnold2867 3 жыл бұрын
I like your 2 cents and agree. I've built a lot of oilfield equipment and everything is engineered. Spec the suspension to support the coach, build on a bigger truck platform or build a lighter coach, don't add band-aids. Surprised that company hasn't had a lot of tragic failures. That is just criminal to put unsuspecting customers in danger with a system waiting for failure. AAARGH !!!!
@TrackDayChamps928
@TrackDayChamps928 3 жыл бұрын
Subscribed Thumbs up’d Anything van (edit, would like to see a winch mount that fits behind stock late mode bumper) Subscribed to Growing up Garage
@jeremyjohnson8361
@jeremyjohnson8361 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. There is no room behind the late model vans for a winch. You can do this same bumper on your van.
@TrackDayChamps928
@TrackDayChamps928 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyjohnson8361 I don’t know if my wallet can !
@jeremyjohnson8361
@jeremyjohnson8361 3 жыл бұрын
You can always buy the DIY kit?
@TrackDayChamps928
@TrackDayChamps928 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyjohnson8361 as soon as I graduate from grinder to welder ;)
@touristiqueducanada346
@touristiqueducanada346 3 жыл бұрын
You should get someone like vancity vanlife get a lift witch is 100k KZfaq channel for more exposure ✌️
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
Very possible, we've been subscribed to him for quite some time now, he has some killer content!
@RKarmaKill
@RKarmaKill 3 жыл бұрын
I lernd sum gud shit. 👍
@olivierludgermenard9157
@olivierludgermenard9157 3 жыл бұрын
Leave a comment : I wanna see the ultimate build in the worst situation!
@glenfdoss
@glenfdoss 3 жыл бұрын
I want more mom ride videos. More entertaining.
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
They're coming!
@accabonac
@accabonac 3 жыл бұрын
Lift the Transit. 2”.
@guttermastersplus5613
@guttermastersplus5613 Жыл бұрын
Of course you say that nothing is better than your springs because you're selling two strings and new springs are great but if you're not carrying a massive load they're also very stiff and the ride quality goes down
@Trx450Rider01
@Trx450Rider01 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work but I don't think I like that lifted look on an RV. I wouldn't want mine sitting that high.
@OHFORPEATSAKES
@OHFORPEATSAKES Жыл бұрын
Don't believe everything on youtube. Especially when the sales people are telling you it's a good idea...
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns Жыл бұрын
Please give us an example of why you would use Air Bags on your RV? Over a spring built for the weight and towing capicity ? We will wait.......
@danwaddle2194
@danwaddle2194 3 жыл бұрын
Less yadda, yadda, yadda. Get to the point.
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
But we love to jiber jab! otherwise it would just be pics!
@rage801
@rage801 2 жыл бұрын
"smash that subscribe button" is the same bull crap all the millennials say in their KZfaq videos and guess what you get a thumbs down every time and no subscription
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment and sub to our channel!
@stephenharrison1303
@stephenharrison1303 5 ай бұрын
Looks cool but I bet that rides like shit
@CH-mp8eu
@CH-mp8eu Жыл бұрын
stopped watching after 4 min - did he ever get to the point and discuss the title of the video? moving on.
@WeldtecDesigns
@WeldtecDesigns Жыл бұрын
We talked about it at 4:02
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