Donner Party Archaeology and Forensic Science

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11 жыл бұрын

Donald L Hardesty discusses the archaeology and forensic science used at the Donner Party camp sites in the Sierra Nevada mountains.

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@derek7521 4 жыл бұрын

As much as I am interested in the Donner/Reed story that was EXHAUSTING ! But I made all the way through 😳

@Maxfli82 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this. I had a chance to visit all three cabin sites and the Alder Creek site years ago when I was living in Reno studying at UNR. Such a wonderful preservation of that event. Glad to know that we are pretty accurate with the locations of the sites now.

@jessiejames7492 2 жыл бұрын

after all thier suffering, ths sad thing is that most people only connect with their cannabalism. why not learn how they managed to overcome the odds and suffering. those that survived? not many of us today could do half as much if lost in snow in the wilderness

@1965Grit Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, no one today could possibly understand the circumstances that these people found themselves under.

@ElkoJohn Жыл бұрын

Much obliged for this video.

@globetrottinginstyle7302 6 жыл бұрын

Interesting story. Thanks for sharing!

@masone7293 3 жыл бұрын

I learned more from this video than any book I have read... Thank You

@hunhs 9 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, Mom. I know all about cannibalism. I saw it on TV.

@prsguitars42 8 жыл бұрын

"Jaacckk!!".....:)

@refuge42 Ай бұрын

Haha touche! "The Shining". 😅

@chessmckenzie8319 8 жыл бұрын

For god sake... "Shoot The Puck!"

@truemordecai2996 3 жыл бұрын

Ummm...

@Aliyumyum 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Mr. Hardesty will write a book of his findings of the Donner camp. Interesting video, thank you sir for sharing your knowledge.

@puma30880 3 жыл бұрын

I visited the Alder Creek site around 1999. At the time, the bark shell of a very large pine was standing. All the other trees were smaller. Was the area logged sometime in the 1900s?

@noahvale4789 4 жыл бұрын

God dammit...why won't anyone talk about Jakob Wolfinger, murdered while attempting to cache his goods at the Humbolt sink...neglected by history...I demand justice!

@suziecreamcheese211 3 жыл бұрын

What happened?

@marklindeman9428 4 ай бұрын

Try watching a video regarding that specific topic genius

@noahvale4789 4 ай бұрын

@@marklindeman9428 genius? Why the snide...my feigned outrage seems to have brought out the bullied 5th grader in you. Peace

@Paleoman 6 жыл бұрын

wow, people are so critical. granted the gent is not sir david attenburough but he does know firsthand the findings. if you dont like his delivery, watch something else.

@LeslieHeath-iw8ec 7 ай бұрын

They didn't put the bones in the cabins and burn them a year later, the rescuers that found Keesburg did that. The rescuers came upon the dead bodies lying about in various stages of dress and decomposition, placed them in the remains of the cabins and ordered them fired (burned) they then went to Alder Creek and found George Donner wrapped in a sheet and buried him somewhere around there. This was in McClashions book

@normanhowell3994 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting post.

@MarkTitus420 6 жыл бұрын

I love the stories of the first western-bound pioneers of the early 1800's. Of what little there is available on the web or in movies/TV, the best source and the best in the way of storytelling of the Donner tragedy that I've found so far is the book "Desperate Passage" by Ethan Rarick. The movie sucked, don't waste your time on it.

@dzappss1 10 жыл бұрын

Love this, I hope this gets transcribed...

@flyinspirals 7 жыл бұрын

Yes! Or even narrated by a competent narrator.

@nznegativeions 4 жыл бұрын

The u, m, a, and h keys would give out if you tried to type this up.

@davidtrishhope9841 3 жыл бұрын

This is great

@npknhdfrvr 6 жыл бұрын

I just watched the “trail of tragedy” video where he assisted with an excavation of the area back in 1994. He still has that stutter and his umm, uhh habit back then but not nearly bad as it is here...

@whichkatami 3 жыл бұрын

No LiDAR used?

@aceofhearts0 4 жыл бұрын

alot of older people talk like this, really smart but formulate their words really slow, yall be nice

@shable1436 4 жыл бұрын

Only for you

@deborahmazza8123 3 жыл бұрын

He's obviously a scholarly sort, with a ton of information in his head. He is making sure what he is saying is accurate, concise, and thorough. Like a professor dispensing info to students.

@suziecreamcheese211 3 жыл бұрын

At least he’s not saying “like” every third word.

@joebombero1 2 жыл бұрын

Some people freeze up when the camera comes on. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Some people have a talent for interviews, some really struggle. Similar to ice skating. They simply need to get a cheerful grad student to do these interviews.

@haroldcummingd2267 2 жыл бұрын

It's OK. I hear really slow.

@dianahemmingsdh 6 жыл бұрын

If he's a teacher I should think his pupils fall asleep listening to him.

@tballstaedt7807 3 ай бұрын

He was the Forest Service Ranger supervising a volunteer archeological dig at the sight in the early 1990s

@twstf8905 3 жыл бұрын

Omg this guy's IMPOSSIBLE to listen to lol "Umm, um, um, um, um, um, um, A fellah by the name of C.F. McLashen, um, um, um, um, UM, UMMM, became very interested in the history of the-uh Donner party, he brought a number of-um back to the-um Donner Lake camp and, uh, uh, a couple of them to the Alder Creek camp, and-um, um, um um, a little bit of what we would now call archaeological excavation, again recognise this was 1879, he UM and the survivors, um, um, um, dug into the uh remains of the um, um, um, um..." 🤣

@sharonalbert4305 7 жыл бұрын

I'd b the first one to fall asleep n his class.

@jjcaron72 4 жыл бұрын

Sharon Albert, 1.75 speed.

@litealite Жыл бұрын

This man is very knowledgable of the Donner story . All that knowlege without looking at even a note .

@rexbob7 10 жыл бұрын

How sad. The Donner party arrived to late in the season.

@flyinspirals 7 жыл бұрын

One day too late, some say.

@disgruntledpedant2755 4 жыл бұрын

ONE DAY. they spent like 5 days just sitting around once they hut the mountain. ONE DAY earlier take off would have saved all those lives and misery.

@FriedBnana 4 жыл бұрын

Some even speculate just hours late. Either way, one day away from avoiding tragedy? Damn.

@LeslieHeath-iw8ec 7 ай бұрын

Virginia Reed went on to say "never take no shortcuts and hurry along as fast as you can"

@gaylenemorley916 Жыл бұрын

Oh yes donner lake my brother and his wife have a cabin there I stay with brother at cabin it was a sad ordeal they went threw yup

@GRMNCVS 2 ай бұрын

wHat?

@donjones3824 3 жыл бұрын

Naw! I got half way through and completely forgot about what I was listening to.

@joebombero1 2 жыл бұрын

Wow they really chose the wrong guy for the interview.

@jonbiles5404 2 жыл бұрын

Meat is meat when u actually get down to it. It sucks but true.

@Slail 10 жыл бұрын

And he uhmmm he did uhmmm uhm errr uhm he uhmmm

@karen33099 9 жыл бұрын

It was a bit nerve racking.

@n.herbig7592 8 жыл бұрын

LMAO I wasn't the only one that noticed lol he made this very hard to watch lol what horrible public speaker lol

@TheEyez187 8 жыл бұрын

+Joseph Tyrrell At least your math teacher can take comfort in the fact that he had successfully taught you division :D

@cynthiac.9368 7 жыл бұрын

This guy's a professor! I can't imagine enduring a class with him.

@Starburstluver69 6 жыл бұрын

Slail we get it there’s a lot a of stuttering

@kenovabecky 8 жыл бұрын

I wanted to watch but the strain of wanting him to move on was just too much.

@msnita8863 Жыл бұрын

If he's still looking for bones by all accounts they did boil the bones many times and did also eat those.

@LeslieHeath-iw8ec 7 ай бұрын

Boiled then boi!ed, then boiled again, ate the marrow and possibly by that time ground up the bones and ate them.

@RyanCFoster 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like he is chewing human jerky as he talks... still dug it though. Enjoyed the Daniel Dennett of the Sierra Nevada.

@tballstaedt7807 Жыл бұрын

The 1830 coin is probably the best evidence but it should be noted that the Mormon Batallion's ranks may have included several young men who were recent English immigrants.

@dlghenderson2837 7 жыл бұрын

Shoulda used notes.

@brianchisnell1548 3 жыл бұрын

Pass the bbq sauce!

@themightywookie351c3 3 жыл бұрын

Change playback speed to 1.5, then he talks at Normal Speed. Can’t help you with his “Umm” use. You would die from alcohol poisoning if you tried to make this video into a drinking game with having to take a shot every time he mutters “umm”

@cathydoyle8804 3 жыл бұрын

This guy is driving me mad!

@patrickgreene2663 3 жыл бұрын

Um um um um um um um um um

@brianbelton3605 6 жыл бұрын

This guy is UHHHSOME.. . . . .

@jackharrison6771 7 жыл бұрын

I accept that he knows his subject, but he is clearly recalling information 'from the top of his head' as they say. But it sounds as though some better preparation would avoid so many losing the will to live. lolThe story and historical events ARE certainly very sad and disturbing and should not be lost in all this. As for Hastings, he's lucky he wasn't hunted down and tied up along the trail upside down, to reflect what he did to survivors and victims.

@kimkuzmenko3728 3 жыл бұрын

Why? Hastings didn't force them to take the short cut...They decided on their own.

@CarolFord-ez7fr 2 ай бұрын

If he says "Um" one more time👊

@gamer_fam5382 Жыл бұрын

How many times does he um,um😂

@goodtutt4733 5 жыл бұрын

Yikes! Is he suffering from low oxygen due to the elevation?

@Veronica-bc6pp 3 жыл бұрын

Damn why couldn’t one person go back and forth on a horse and bring more food?????

@Mishacanttouchthis 3 жыл бұрын

They didn’t have any horses and we’re buried in 12 ft of snow. Plus they were not prepared for the cold and were weak from malnutrition.

@amandabraithwaite2389 Жыл бұрын

It was more like 20 ft of snow by January.

@Veronica-bc6pp Жыл бұрын

@@amandabraithwaite2389 no I’m saying a person ahead of time before the snow came should’ve gone and got help

@amandabraithwaite2389 Жыл бұрын

They seen snow in September when they were 400 miles before the Sierra mountains silly. Anyway, research more. The real question is why did Jim Bridger not get convicted for misleading their party, which directly lead to the starvation and inadvertently subsequent cannibalism...?

@1965Grit Жыл бұрын

Really Veronica? He** why didn't they just call an Uber?

@rosep8481 5 жыл бұрын

Might be interesting content. I wouldnt know however because his speaking style was pure unadulterated torturous hell.

@aldoparziale2631 5 жыл бұрын

"T-T-T-T-Today Junior!"

@icarusairways6139 7 жыл бұрын

Hey, at least he didn't say, "have went'" or "these ones".

@LindaTCornwall 6 жыл бұрын

Or the old favourite "you know what I mean?" At the end of every sentence! Lol

@truemordecai2996 5 жыл бұрын

Linda T Uhmmmm I don’t know about that.

@Subfightr 8 ай бұрын

Bottom line, at the time of this video he could find not direct evidence of cannibalism, only bone fragments that were human, he hopes that DNA might shed light on this. The site that was claimed to have toss all the human remains into a cabin and have it burned: to what I recall in this video he basically said he did not find evidence of such a place, the rock that has the placard on it is claimed to have been where the cabin was, showed no evidence of.... Aww hell don't make me watch it again.. someone correct this mess please lol. I can still hear the "umms and uh's" in my head. I don't know if I would have noticed it near as much if I had not read the comments during the video. .. good luck to ye.

@andrewalexander7906 4 жыл бұрын

So the um and huh is getting kinda annoying

@frankneel7202 7 жыл бұрын

@cbakker99 7 жыл бұрын

I hope his students don't pay full tuition and endure the stuttering nonsense I just experienced.

@HiveMind3006 7 жыл бұрын

Revised Description: Err umm umm err this err umm is err u uh uh a discussion err amm ur um um um relating to um um um the err am um um er actual um um er am urm er urm ur ur am err events that er arr um um am urm that er um the Donner par um um ty um and the err ur um um events er um um er urm er u uh that lead to the err um um urm uh er um ah urm er disaster. Holy F**k! Get someone who can talk to tell this tale. Jeez. Imagine having him tell you about his latest vacation? This must be borderline speech disorder in effect.

@HiveMind3006 7 жыл бұрын

Haha i just noticed all the other comments after commenting myself- could have err um um urm err saved err myself um um a a a a lot of er er um um urm ah time!

@marqueemark5917 6 жыл бұрын

where are the bones asshole

@tbcoachniblick1208 11 ай бұрын

Good information but the delivery was slow and halting....ah ...ah...ah..😴😴😴😴.

@scatdog1 3 жыл бұрын

Um um um a um a um um um. Couldn’t get past the first minute. Good luck though.

@KentuckyDogg 4 жыл бұрын

I could only make it 5 minutes "Ummmm, Ahhhhhhh, Ummmmm" How would you like to sit thru one of his Lectures...... Just shoot me...

@stuartstuart866 4 жыл бұрын

M W Oh my God, it was driving me crazy. Great details but Umm Umm throughout the presentation was very distracting

@deirdrepasko9056 4 жыл бұрын

I guess I have more patience. I lasted twelve minutes and forty four seconds. However, I lost track ummm of, ahh (hey look it's snowing!) umm hmm (darn it I broke a nail) ......................... hmm ahhh whatever he was saying.

@pumpupjam9648 4 жыл бұрын

Not to leave evidence of cannibilism, the bones of human and or animal could have been tossed in the river. If no human bones found, not even a head belonging to man or beast. Unless the wild animals got to what was left of the flesh on the bones and carried them off to their dens or into the forest and ate it there. Just because it's a short didn't mean it was going to be better. god, they learned fast what death was.

@deirdrepasko9056 4 жыл бұрын

The Mormons, after coming back from a war, stumbled upon the camps, and put everyone in a cabin, then burned it to the ground. That's why later on, the forensics couldn't find any bones.

@pattimessenger6214 3 жыл бұрын

General Kearney’s Mormon Battalion said they were instructed to dig a pit in one of the cabins and place the bones. Then the cabin was set fire, essentially cremating them. Then the pit was filled in. They probably didn’t find the right cabin site. Even if survivors came back, they may not be able to locate the exact spot of the cabin because they were there when the snow was extremely deep. The cabins had been built against trees, and the tree probably burned with the cabin. Hey, the video is still playing, and the guy said the Reed Cabin was probably under the fruit inspection station on highway 80.

@mattgoupil2224 6 жыл бұрын

Isn't that the point of canibelism, to eat people and everything, they Wonder why they can't find any remains!

@donnalewis3216 3 жыл бұрын

Umm u nm and umm umm

@scdave100 Жыл бұрын

Uh um ah um um uh ah um um

@Delphisteve 2 жыл бұрын

umm, umm,umm,umm...ah, umm

@patrickgreene2663 3 жыл бұрын

Um um um um um um um

@sphinxtheeminx Жыл бұрын

Um.

@derek7521 Жыл бұрын

Umm ummmm another ummmm fella named umm ummmm and umm the Donner party umm um ummm🤪

@joe1969812 3 жыл бұрын

Um um um um

@donjones3824 3 жыл бұрын

Why interview a person who can’t complete the smallest of sentences without this um, err, ahm riddling through constantly. And I erm, ah, bet ah, uhm, er, you he’s a ah, uhm, ahh, an expert on ah, erm, uh, the ahhhm, er, ah , subject.

@KenDignam 22 күн бұрын

Erm

@belleoftheball2night302 10 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but I guess the culture is differnet because I wouldn't want to go there it seems very sad, cursed, and very scary. I mean seriously.... it's like they are celebrated. I guess that's a part of culture. To me this is something that I wouldn't be proud to talk about. This is a sick and sad story. They should have held Hastings responsible in my opinion.

@leeving2999 9 жыл бұрын

What is bad is that many people leave out some of the sick things that happened before they ever resorted to cannibalism and sick sorry things after . 1. Leaving an elderly man , Mr Hardcoop , by a stream to die because he was old and slowing them down . 2. The greedy murder of Mr Wolfinger in order to steal his possessions. One killer was later seen carrying the gun that belonged to the victim . 3. Severe spousal abuse . 4. More murder ( that one seemed justified ) and banishing the killer who just happened to be the one to find help and when found he it was part of the rescue party to help those that sent him off to die . 5. Greed and refusal to help those , children included , that lost everything including family and could not care for themselves due to age or illness . 6. Conspiring to kill and eat the two Native American guides sent to help rescue the survivors . 7. Eating humans when several dead animals lay preserved by the snow and hard freezes . 8. Planning on which person to kill and eat next because they assumed they would die anyway .... Not all the great heroes they were painted .

@n.herbig7592 8 жыл бұрын

I agree 1000% why Hastings was never brought up on some kind of charge is behind me, but not the other hand James Reed ran into a traveler that came from that heading East. He told him NOT to go that he would never get his wagons through. Both of these idiots needed a beat down. Poor Donner family that one journey nearly wiped out the entire family.

@prsguitars42 8 жыл бұрын

+Raya How hastings wasnt 'rubbed out' ..but generally lived out his days is puzzling ......

@n.herbig7592 8 жыл бұрын

steve jones I'm with you on that :)

@flyinspirals 7 жыл бұрын

The fact that sociopaths and madmen like him were able to run riot was, and still is, the curse of our country.

@Chris-pg8dl 5 жыл бұрын

A five minute video of actual talking.....14 minutes of Ums

@whichkatami 3 жыл бұрын

Um, agh, ugh, um. 🤔. videographer please edit 5 min of ums out of interview, poor man.

@charliemaebrown7857 8 жыл бұрын

repent or like wise perish. luke 13:3, romans 1, romans 3:23, romans 6:23, 1 john 1:8-9, galatians 5:19-21, revelation 21:8

@flyinspirals 7 жыл бұрын

because this guy isn't enough of a bore.

@Mrlrobertson 4 жыл бұрын

Looks like 47 people with the Donner party should have repented and they would have been saved and lived to build their homes in California.

@aliciabruce3330 4 жыл бұрын

forget it

@chrisedy9116 6 жыл бұрын

very boring commentary No disrespect but spit it out man

@deemika Жыл бұрын

I... um, um...rather enjoyed.... um....ah, umm..this video, um, um ,ah... um but hard to... um, um, stay , um , um...um... focused.

@toebeans6568 4 жыл бұрын

New drinking game! Ummmm

@deirdrepasko9056 4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha

@justins7900 8 жыл бұрын

It disturbing to watch an educated man say uh uhm and stutter so hard to tell a simple story

@thehomelessconsultant9949 7 жыл бұрын

Based on my experience in graduate school, people with graduate degrees can range from utterly incompetent to pretty clever, just like any "uneducated" person with intellectual curiosity and a library card - except that some of the latter can be *extraordinarily* clever (e.g., Abraham Lincoln), having never been savagely beaten into submission by the cult of Academia. It's a shame NPR with its cringeworthy credential worship can't figure this out.

@allisongrimshaw8628 7 жыл бұрын

perhaps he not telling the whole truth and is hoping people don't listen to himlying noticed he did not say much about the reids who were masons

@jason60chev 2 жыл бұрын

Good information but, "um....um,um......um.......um.....um,um......um"

@jonbiles5404 2 жыл бұрын

This is like dateline, snapped, 2020....it’s all death porn. Why do we get our rocks off listening to this stuff. We are all morbid

@RealPreCinema 4 жыл бұрын

We have the cure for insomnia here.

@cuckoosnest4150 4 жыл бұрын

Ya put ya right umm in you put ya left umm out ya put ya right umm and then you shake it all about, ya do the hokey pokey then ya turn ya umm around, That's what it's all about!

@TheColdbrews 3 ай бұрын

Umm uh umm and and umm umm and and.

@NealWons 4 жыл бұрын

Ahhh After less ahhb than a minute ahhh I couldn't ahhh take it ahhh any more.

@5238117 5 жыл бұрын

Um ffffuuuuuuuu

@mundizlevicampos1232 4 жыл бұрын

Man get ur words Rite quit amm!

@timothycarpenter4428 8 жыл бұрын

couldn't watch it, takes an hour for this guy to even say his name.. he needs help

@TheKurtis66 6 жыл бұрын

C'mon Grampa spit it out.......

@dxmxo9427 5 жыл бұрын

HE SAID UHMMM UMMM ALOT WHY????????

@desireeappier3031 10 жыл бұрын

CANABOLISM!!!!!!! Just creepy. : /

@flyinspirals 7 жыл бұрын

You put some deep thought into that, eh?

@deirdrepasko9056 4 жыл бұрын

@@flyinspirals hahahahaha

@sharoncarrier18 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone could have narrated this better. Hhmmmmm uhm a a a of of uhm uhm.

@jasonmwlkr1 6 жыл бұрын

he could have written what he wanted to say a whole lot faster than speaking it jesus...

@richardrobinson7645 6 жыл бұрын

Lol some funny comments here

@disgruntledpedant2755 4 жыл бұрын

He keeps saying mcCLashen. Its mcGlashen.

@SandyzSerious 5 жыл бұрын

Umm um ummm... .geez

@mountaintruth1 8 жыл бұрын

uhmmnn, good grief learn to speak, or run for office

@livingabovethe12th 7 жыл бұрын

its such a shame when you have an educated person you would like to listen to but is such a bad speaker ....if he's a teaching professor could u imagine sitting thru even a 60 min class....quad espresso to even have a hope of staying awake....uhh...umm...uhm...huh huh...um...

@flyinspirals 7 жыл бұрын

This is the speed this person puts thoughts into words. Get over it. Don't expect every person to be a talking head. Cookie cutter people aren't real.

@RockMeBuddha 2 жыл бұрын

Hard to listen through all the "umm umm umm uhh uhh uhh."

@hankaustin7091 6 жыл бұрын

This video is completely un-watchable! Someone needs to post a new one, but using a different narrator who knows how to relax in front of a camera and doesn't use "utter" words every other second.. SHEESH !