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"The DOOM community will love and respect you until you do something they don't like, then they'll want to burn your house down" -Mick Gordon

The darkest moment was definitely their treatment of Mick Gordon

I had never heard of the controversy before this video. I didn't realize that the dlc was controversial, and i didn't care to check because i found myself enjoying both dlcs after playing them recently. And I think I became a better player at the game after the dlcs, or at least the first one.

The super gore nest was the first master level I tried and made me think that all master levels were ridiculously hard.

It's kinda nice that this is gonna be considered the "darkest moment" since it's pretty tame compared to a lot of other shitshows that have come out of modern gaming companies recently

Doom Feels like a franchise that would benefit a lot from modes where difficulty effects not just damage but also enemy placement and variety. I don't know how hard that'd be to implement or balance but it really seems like the only way to satisfy such a broad player base.

For me the biggest mistake was the lore in TAG2. You've been playing doom all along with the general idea that the dark lord was the big bad guy who ruined everything, then in TAG2 the codex does a full 180 saying it was the maykrs and the father who committed betrayal. It felt like a plot twist happening for the sake of it.

12:00 this is exactly what happened to me…and it’s why I never finished TAG 1, I didn’t hate the dlc, I just felt it was tuned more for the hardcore guys and that wasn’t me. I work too much to dedicate so much of my time to a single game.

I played DOOM Eternal a year after it's release with all the DLC already included. Playing TAG 2 felt like a nice breather after getting the shit beat out of me in TAG 1. But the Dark Lord boss fight frustrated me so much that I didn't even finish it and just started playing the master levels instead.

I didn't realize there was a controversy at all with the expansions. I enjoyed them. There is a notable difference in difficulty between the first and second but it was fun regardless. My only criticism of Eternal is the constant locking the player in an arena and forcing them to kill all the enemies. I like those moments. I just wish there were less of them. I prefer the switch and key hunt of the classic Dooms. But that really comes down to personal taste than an actual criticism.

I think high level players in general should not expect designers to cater to them. It's easy to think that you're the main supporters of the project, but in reality most people spent the same amount of money on Doom Eternal whether they played through once, or never stopped. There are speedruns, challenge runs, multiplayer, and mods to increase the skill ceiling, and it seems like the hardcore community still prefers Horde Mode to anything produced by Id. Casual players only have the designers, maybe some mods for games without a difficulty select. Master levels are an exception, as it's not new content for anyone who hasn't mastered the mechanics. I just think it's a little silly to want Doom to be the most intense shooter on the market, it's one of the most famous IPs of all time, everyone who plays games know about Doom. They can cater to the hardcore players who will squeeze every drop of blood out of the game, but releasing 2 unapproachable, tough as nails DLCs would have probably hurt the next game in the series quite a bit.

You definitely hit the nail on the head with the experience of TAG1 with casual players. I got absolutely destroyed. I just like to kick back, relax, and feel like a God for a bit before moving on with my day, and that dlc kicked me in the nuts right out of the gate. I struggle heavily with marauders. Weapon switching seems way more difficult on console than pc, and those stupid dogs make it hard for me to focus on killing the marauder, and they soak up my ammo, so that once I get to the marauder, I got nothing to throw at him. And when you enforce switching mods and grenades on top of all that, after such a Haitus, I basically left the game entirely, as I wasn’t interested in heavily investing myself to be super skilled. Plus a lot of the difficulty additions seemed out of place, especially for TAG2. Like I get why they made the rock imps weak to the auto shotgun. I get it’s an underused mod that needed to see some light, but rather than buffing it or adding some cool effects, it kinda just felt like they were putting their foot down and saying “now you have to use this whether you like it or not”. Plus lore wise, it didn’t make much sense… why would they be specifically weak to the auto shotgun mod? It’s just a fast shooting shotgun!!! Such a weird weakness that made no sense besides adding the illusion of attractiveness of the lesser used shotgun mod. I didn’t mind the hammer as I suck at breaking weak points anyway, so 2 didn’t feel overwhelming. I was just mad that they took away the cool crucible sword. However, I was completely unaware of the community backlash. You’re right, from an outside perspective, the community does appear to be full of nutcases until you explained the sentiment. I’m glad to hear you were able to look back, self reflect, and learn from your rash behavior.

The biggest controversy for me was and still is a conflict between id Software and Mick Gordon. Game suffers a lot by not having official soundtrack avialable to buy or to listen to through streaming services. For many people soundtrack by Mick was one of the main reasons they bought the game. TAG 2 is not perfect but it's still a great dlc and I wouldn't even call it a controversy 😅

28:11 I think that most people can agree that the Dark Lord boss fight didn't have great design. It mostly ended up testing the player's patience due to a lack of ways to approach the fight, as stunning him with the hammer and then whittling away at the five health bars with the Mobile Turret was demanded due to a lack of other opportunities for damage. Especially due to the boss's ability to heal himself automatically. I remember feeling very annoyed and exhausted when I finally got the boss down to his last health bar. But overall, I did get some enjoyment out of TAG2 despite all of the mentioned issues with boss fight design and hammer implementation. 37:15 And yes, honest, open communication between different parts of a community is a very tricky endeavor, but it is a very important topic.

Hearing Hugo talk about the Dark Lord after TAG2's release really makes me want to see what the fight could have looked like if the devs hadn't been forced to make the DLC while working form home. I always really liked TAG2, it has some of my favorite arenas and art direction in the whole game, but I always thought the Dark Lord's fight was super anti-climactic and more frustrating/lame than it was fun.

With the way that Hugo and the crew at ID took in the fanbase feedback and used it to change the game to cater to basically everyone all at once and added so many fixes and more features for free without any cost…they will always be my favorite when it comes to game devs. One of the few who’s not in on the money hungry mess of an industry we’re dealing with these days.

A lot of respect for acknowledging your wrongs in this situation. I would agree that it was a bit too easy on launch, but if considered through the perspective of a more casual/less active player, it was refreshing to come back and have a decent challenge on Nightmare. I never maximized my usage of the hammer, and it bloated the difficulty of the DLC as a whole, just due to being rusty. I love Hugo Martin and the whole iD software team. I think they learned a lot, and considering the pressures of development during quarantine, these DLCs were still among the absolute BEST games to come out. Hope you also take the lessons from this and your content continues to improve as much as it has over the last couple years

When you deliver something so great, people expect the next thing to be greater. TAG is just that, it's not as good as Doom Eternal, but it's still far greater than what other games companies call DLC.

No longer doom eternals darkest moment.

For me (someone who went into the DLC immediately after first finishing the game) the problem with TAG1 wasn't difficulty but tedium. It felt like every arena had way more waves than necessary. This doesnt exactly make it harder since each wave came only after you dealt with the previous one, but it did really ruin the pacing for me, which is why I lowered the difficulty by one step just to make it a bit quicker

My only real complaint are the bugs in dlcs. I genuinely had softlocks and overall weirdness

i remember when i came back to tag1 after not playing for a while, i got smacked and killed instantly, but i didnt complain but i just replayed it over and over again until my muscle memory came back and boom fell in love with the game, same happened with tag 2.

This is really quite interesting to me. I'm an OG Doom community member since the 90s, more into deathmatch than SP on the original games but I've played my fair share of slaughter map WADs and the like and generally understand the community's desire for difficulty ramp. When I played 2016 and Eternal, enjoyed them quite a bit. TAG1 threw me for a loop though. I guess not being aware of the horde mode between the release of Eternal and TAG1 made all the difference, in an environment when we're extremely conditioned to expect mods to be widely available through Steam Workshop. Honestly it seems to have been a poor calculation to me. I played 75% of the way through TAG1 before I was just like "this is unpleasant" and gave it up. Anyways, I appreciate the analysis, and personally I would chock my inability to get behind TAG1, and subsequently not caring about TAG2 because of it, to the lack of Bethesda/Modern id's public support for mods. If they had released a proper SDK and things like Horde Mode were widely advertised and supported natively through Steam I likely would not have dropped off from playing the original release as quickly as I did. I guess we're all spoiled with the modern ability to get mods delivered straight to us through steam, and a developer's unwillingness to cater to that can cause someone to drop off from a game earlier than they would like to.

Tbf I think the entire Mick Gordon side is a bigger Controversy, than them fucking up the DLCs

In retrospect people like me, over reacted. I realised how stupid my reaction was and yes while I wish it would have been harder it was definitely not bad. It’s been a great 2 years everyone! Edit: balls

"ultra nightmare" "comfortably" i have absolutely no idea how you could ever

At least for me, going into TAG 1 after finishing the base campaign felt...stressful? With every level I felt myself having less fun, after spending what felt like a week stuck on the last Slayer Gate (during the overcorrection as I've learned form this video) trying to learn new strategies, memorizing the spawns, completely remapping my controls again and again. Then, for just a moment, I became angry at a video game for the first time in years, and I had to ask myself "You're not having fun anymore, why are you doing this?" So I skipped the last gate, slogged my way to the final boss, but by then I was already burnt out. Ended up quitting the game, didn't touch it for a couple months, so I uninstalled. Haven't been able to work up the energy to play it since.

Excellent video! You explained everything surrounding TAG2 a lot more eloquently than I could. I like the two quotes you compare at 41:40 and how you summed up the controversy at 38:02

My lord, has it been a year already? I remember seeing your original TAG2 video and then wondering why I couldn't find it to re-watch later. Respect to you for taking a breath and re-evaluating - we've all said things in a moment of annoyance that we didn't really mean 100%!

I am honestly amazed at how you put this situation to words. It gives off this feel of a friendship (in this case between the players and the developers) where at one point they got into a fight. But when a friendship is good you usually end up with a stronger connection between the 2 sides, you grow to understand and respect each other. I am glad for you guys to have such an amazing community and that ID software are so focussed on listening to their players and for sticking to their game's philosophy.

Wow this is a really incredibly well done video. I don't think I've ever come across your channel before but i am thoroughly impressed. Awesome work.

Tbh, I think TAG 2 was okay. What I really disliked was that it just finished the hype of meeting the devil so damn early

What seems to be forgotten is that ID like any other gaming software company has a bottomline that they must please in order to show profit. I've been watching the debates and feel that ID is attempting to balance two different levels of strategies at the same time. No one will be completely satisfied in the end. No matter what you may feel about creating a harder experience for more experience players ID has to bring in new players in order to stay in business. Especially now since the Microsoft purchase they will have to show profit. It has just become more competitive, the emphasis will be on what makes more sense when it comes to dollars. ID is trying to do their best in a fast changing environment, and I believe they have done a great job so far. ID has been more than generous with their community. They seem to listen and make changes when necessary. Thank goodness they aren’t under EA’s umbrella.

The only thing that really bothered me about doom eternal, dlc included was the plot. It went so off the rails it's still hard to think about

Love how when I skip an ad now it just skips to the next ad not both

Playing Doom Eternal as I listen to this video! My only real complaint with TAG 1 & 2 was the Dark Lord fight. I summed it up to my partner (who has watched me play 2016 and Eternal since their releases) with the phrase: "This isn't a test of my skill. This is a test of my patience."

I am so utterly confused that people found TAG2 easy, but maybe it just was for PC players. Console (at least for me on the XboxOne) was insanely difficult; very precise aiming is basically non-existent (hitting weakpoints is much more difficult), weapon combos exist, but really don't because you HAVE to use the weapon wheel to switch, and just difficulty wise it jumped up a lot. I mean I got Ultra-Nightmare on the Story a few weeks after the game released, TAG1 was more difficult and I've only gotten Nightmare, but TAG2 had me rage quitting on fucking "I'm Too Young To Die" because how much more difficult it was to keep up with combat on a controller. I will admit my skill probably had a good part in this too, but it was still many, many times more difficult than any other part of the game. I shit you not, it took me 3 times to beat the Dark Lord, but it took over 2 hours... the first two times I'd die, but then I finally got a feel for him and I'd almost kill him, then he'd like get all the health back and repeat FOR OVER AN HOUR before I finally fucking got it.

This situation with the bridge between casuals-enjoyers-hardcore-gods is something I see in the fighting game community a lot (there's a LOT of skill fracturing there). Oftentimes, the best way to balance a game like that isn't to make the game easier to let casuals enjoy more, or make it more complex for hardcore players to like more. The trick is to help the casual player reach hardcore players easier. I think the idea of mods could have been implemented by iD across the board to help boost the skills of all involved. Maybe as a free update, include maps that not only teach players the value of weapon switching/using the whole skillset, but how best to use it, and doing it in a controlled method, i.e. slowdown, matches with fast respawn, more access to resources, etc. That way you're coaching the new/returning players and you can let them catch up to even TAG1's difficulty much quicker.

I'm one of the more casual players, I loved 2016 but eternal didn't feel like my cup of tea and that's okay! I knew some shit happened about tag1 and 2 but I was completely disconnected from it, thanks KZfaq Algo for pushing this on me! It's also really good this had a happier ending than what would happen to most other games, hell it makes me curious enough to try the next iternation despite eternal not clicking with me Thanks for a great video!

The biggest thing about it that still bothers me isn't the difficulty but rather how... barren some of the arenas still feel Like the escalation encounters aren't that difficult, but I can have fun with them since shits actually happening and the waves last longer than just killing a handful of demons.

5:40 "It teaches you how to play the genre far better and can change your view of game design in general" That is how I feel about the original Thief series. Those games elevated your stealth skills, attention to detail and improvisation skills to the next level. I hope one day you cover them.

Finally, an analysis of the reception of modern Doom that isn't just "Oh it's too hard for you? What are you, a GAME JOURNALIST??"

After watching your ultra nightmare content, I've been fighting so hard to beat the game on ultra nightmare. Hearing that you have friends who can't complete ultra nightmare is so soothing to my wounded pride after failing at it for so long.

Yeah TAG2 is one of those things i played through once and never played again. TAG1 and the base campaign are gold though!

I feel like in regards to difficulty, and whether the devs should make a more accessible experience for more casual players, or a more punishing experience for the more hard-core side of the fan base, the answer never needs to be just one or the other. The DOOM series has always had a variety of difficulty options for a reason.

"Id software is one of the only developers that actually want to do something great?" This is the most unbelievably braindead line I've ever heard in my life. I agree with 99% of this video but to assume that people working at EA want to put out the games that they are forced to is ridiculous. Nobody ever wants to go into a project while making mediocrity. This is also a mindset that is incredibly hurtful to the people who are actually trying to make the games that you love to play. You people should be blaming the suits at the top that push these insane timelines onto the developers. Stop blaming the average developer. They are not in charge of the timeline or the project. They just work as best they can on what they're given the majority of the time.

I recognize that track you used from The Ascent game. Nice! Great background music for this kind of rundown in the video.

12:25 Amazing how right you are :D TAG 1 kicked the shit out of me because every point you did say befor...and i loved it! 2 hours on the same arena and finaly i got it done...i was so tired,fast breathing and happy. Adrenalin is a hell of a hormon.

I overall enjoyed tag 2 except for the final boss I actually really enjoy marauder fights, they're tests of your reflexes and when they're put with other enemies, they can be tests of your management as well But the final boss is literally just a marauder with more hp, like, c'mon.

Tbh, i liked Doom 2016' bosses a lot more than Eternal's.

I didn't even know the DLCs got hate, and I thought they were both completely fine. My only disappointment was the lack of new tools. I was hoping they might add new weapons and while we got the hammer, which I thought was a really fun new thing that differentiated Part 2, I was hoping for a little more. Aside from this though, the locations are amazing, and I loved the extra bit of story. Overall, I think anyone that's screeching about this just needs to touch grass and have some realistic expectations. Usually the main course is better than the side dishes, and in this case, DOOM Eternal delivered with both.

Tag 2, while lacking in difficulty. Has done more for the combat loop in terms of additions than entire sequels for some games. With the growing PC mod sphere, I feel like everyone is now able to get the type of experience they want from the game. I hope ID continues to innovate with their next title.

Funny ive been binging a bunch of mayo vids and this popped up. Time yo fall asleep to the only game mayo has ever liked

What an absolute legend of a review this is. Respect.

So great as a content creator to look back like this.

Your description of a casual experience of TAG 1 matches my experience exactly. I felt like a god at the end of the base game but after almost a year I was rusty as hell. My reaction however was just "Yeah I'll probably wait with this until I feel like replaying the game from the start."

I’ve been waiting for this video! Can’t wait to watch!

great video, Just started playing doom eternal and this vid is so in depth I love it!

''community leaders'' lmfao

Honestly, I really enjoy tag 2 more than 1. The levels in tag 1 take really long to go through so it’s daunting to play casually. Tag 2 does have great combat in my opinion. The escalation encountered are really cool, all the levels have great personality in their arena design. The world spear have really big open areas, reclaimed earth has good claustrophobic arenas with lots of pressure, and immora has a lot of verticality.

This seems like it really comes down to the time pressure again. Players, publishers and others push on developers to put content out quickly, and when they give in to this pressure they may give us stuff half cooked. Let's be honest, they knew that the hammer was busted, they just didn't have time to teach players how to use it properly. They knew that dark lord was boring, but they didn't have the time to make a spectacle, hell, they even knew that TAG1 was too hard and TAG2 too easy, but they didn't have time to balance it properly. Now some may say that the players are at fault for pressuring the devs too much, some may say that the devs are at fault for giving in, and not delaying the releases to get the cake baked fully, but I personally think that most will agree that the fault is in the middle between both sides, pressured by the unfortunate circumstances of the real world, it wasn't if, it was when would something pop, but despite the obviously atrocious situation after TAG2, I must say I am proud of both sides for how quickly we got over it and started talking constructively. It could've ended up much worse.

The line between passionate and entitled people is getting blurry.

I’m one of those people who played Eternal quite a bit when it launched, then put it aside to play other games, came back and beat it again a year later and haven’t looked back. Recently came back for a 3rd run and I’m falling in love all over again. I’m giving TAG 1 and 2 my first run, am excited to see what all the fuss was about.

Yeh the Dark Lord was a slog but at the time I thought for low moments this was small beans compared to the damage glitch and nerf/buff issues in The Division 2.

I played Tag 1 on ultra violence to completion. The irony is I dropped Tag 2 at the ending boss. He was boring to fight and his ability to regain health felt cheap.

On the consoles, nothing is easy.

A good watch, even years later. Been watching your videos again lately, excited about The Dark Ages, Doom taking over the brain again =P I love this game, and when I retire a few decades from now, and have the time I want for gaming, I will finally beat Cultist Base on Ultra-Nightmare... and then the game!

The design philosophy behind Doom 2016 reminds me of Kingdoms of Amalur. Make the prequel game that introduces the systems and then make the game you wanted to make from the beginning. Unfortunately KoA never got it's Doom Eternal...sad face

Im still playing Doom Eternal... a few hours per week... is an excelente de-stressing game for me! And my favorite game ever!

Fun fact, you can microwave beam the summons from the dark lord

I knew nothing about all the controversy. You made a great vid explaining the situation from your own perspective, the casual perspective, and the developers perspective.

I've been playing DE since the beginning, and I've seen all of the various "controversies" over the game. The fact is we live in a very "saint one minute, sinner the next" driven society. All the way across the board I've seen whining, and crying from the various players. Things like "the Marauder's way to hard!" to "Man, they should have made the Marauder more difficult with these things." We're so spoiled as a society that we tend to forget that sometimes ya just get what ya get. I, for one, really appreciate the fact that ID listens to the player base, and will actively fix broken things, and often change aspects of the game to accommodate the players. There are plenty of companies who won't do any of that, and simply put out a product that you either enjoy, or despise. I'm not part of any community, and this is exactly why. Sometimes it's people at each others' throats over stupid shit, and other times everything is heavily politically driven, (IE: you're not part of this super-awesome inner group so you get treated like shit). The gatekeepers, if you will. A lot of the feedback also came from the same idiots who had no prior experience with the game, and tried to jump right into the hardest difficulty only to throw an utter Fortnite kid style shitfit, and put the game away. Then you have the middle-of-the road players whom think they're Godlike. Trying to gatekeep a community they're barely a part of. Acting like they're the best of the best just because they beat UN once, and seem to think it's the only way to play any game. I've noticed that the truly great players, (like in most things) have nothing to prove, and are among the nicest, and most helpful people in the community. They're the real ambassadors of it, and I like that. Just like in the loading screen for Unreal Tournament III, "You were a noob once too, be nice."

This is really interesting to me because I just recently played both the dlc's for the first time. As someone who is somewhere inbetween the casual audience and the "Ultra Nightmare PC Mod" players I actually preferred TAG2 significantly. Although the sentinel hammer was clearly overpowered and made the game significantly easier, I found it incredibly fun to use and it encouraged me to play in a way that I found interesting. I also loved the new enemies in TAG2 while in TAG1 I was fine with most enemies but hated the spirits. I think TAG2's enemies managed to shape combat in a fun way and although none of them were crazy difficult they were atleast fun to play around. I think this might show that the hammer and the enemies were created to be interesting to players around my skill level who engage with some of the complexities of the game such as weapon swapping or enemy specific weapon counters, but didn't engage with some of the more advanced stuff like alternative ways to kill marauders. Although the final boss of TAG2 does suck, there's no getting around that.

Thanks to this video, I now know why I had to use up all my extra lives in TAG1 final Seraphim Samur Maykr boss fight when I played it on release compared to when I played it this year when I didn't lose a single life againt the Seraphim Samur Maykr

I didn't know people hated TAG 2 until now

I remember being in a discord vc in Toyota’s server and my god it’s almost like every time I go there someone was talking about how easy tag2 was

Brilliant video. Really enjoyed your videos throughout the DE era, and sad that it's at an end. It's probably my number one combat game ever. It just ticked all the boxes for me. I never really had a negative thing to say about either DLC, except for the final boss. I just loved having more levels to play. I think the story was pretty lame, but I just kind of accepted it and enjoyed the gameplay. One interesting thing I feel I haven't seen discussed much, on the subject of covid probably being detrimental to the DLC quality, is that I believe every single new enemy in TAG2, was a reskin of one that already exists. Green prowlers, stone imps, even the final boss himself, minus the mechsuit! Seriously, cheers for the great content the last couple years. You and this game in general got me through some bleak covid times. Great work! Really hope for another Doom or Quake soon.

Great video man

I just realized the sight on the sniper was a jar of mayo in one of the scenes lmao

TAG1 took me 8 attempts on Ultra Nightmare while TAG2 took only one, it’s no mystery that 2 was easily superseded but after finishing did them I realise how underwhelming and non sweaty tag 2 actually was compared to 1.IG this is funny to me cuz on my first nightmare playthroughs of DLCs Davoth killed me many more times than Samur.

Out of all thr doom games I actually enjoyed Doom 3 the best. I had just massively upgraded my PC's graphics card. It was amazing to see.

Definitely not doom eternals greatest controversy anymore lol

What an amazin report! I picked up D2016 a few years ago but have not been able to play it, it would crash at start screen. Getting a new GFX card has been impossibly expensive lately so I bought a used Nvidia 1080ti and finally played D2016. This is so sweet, you guys n gals have now paved a smooth experience going forward! Thx a bunch great players n people!

Only the OG subscribers remember the original rant review upload from Mayo:P

18:41 Two things. Firstly, the 'anger reaction' is just a thing that people do, whenever they have very high expectations of something, that of which failed to deliver. It's a natural thing - and usually people come around after venting a bit on it. Second. TAG2 just feels INSANELY rushed when in comparison of the TAG1. And it really is. It's not even about difficulty curve, it's about what was added and how it was added. It feels like most new things were added without proper time to think the decision trough.

im a casual DOOM player and all though i had watched a few videos at the time about these DLC's 1/2 i did not know just how caver this was , but yet some how while playing the game i could even feel this same frustration and anger , and now after watching this it make's a lot of sense. thanks for taking the time to share your perspective. ❤ ✌

Great video!

Doom Eternal and the DLC were simply amazing, everything was neatly placed and monster waves were geniusly thought of and tested propperly before release. Been gaming for decades and this was legit the best fast paced shooter ever released.

When I bought Doom Eternal TAG 1 had just been released and after finishing the main game I jumped into the DLC with one difficulty lever higher than I played on the main game because I though "Yeah I'm good now I can easily beat this" and after the first fight I was like "Oh my God! This is so fucking fun!" even tho I was dying a lot in the beggining it felt AWESOME to play like that. I remember messaging my friend telling him how hard it was and how good it was and he told me I was crazy to enjoy dying lmao. After I played it I started to get really hyped to get better and better and started watching videos and streams to get better. One of the best experiences I've and in gaming for sure

This is such an interesting video of mayo’s to watch after seeing his ultrakill takes, because the tag2 backlash is kind of exactly the same as what happened with the Gabriel fight in act 2 of Ultrakill, however (thankfully) on a smaller scale

I'm glad I ended up only playing this game recently bc I didn't have to jump back in for tag1 I just went straight in from the base game.

I played Doom ever since the first game back 1990's, except those releases in a series that were on a specific consoles. I really liked 2016 re-start, and enjoyed Eternal even tho I had some gripes with the game. Then TAG1 came out and it doubled down on all the things that were grinding me wrong with a base game. Once I finished TAG1, my feelings weren't "wow that was fun" like in previous releases. No, my reaction was "that was bullshit, let's not do it again". And I didn't, didn't even bought TAG2. As OP said - TAG1 was everything that a hardtry dedicated player wanted. Which for the majority of players clearly wasn't how they play games. Simple term of it was - powercreep. Lots of games and game systems are suffering from it, from League of Legends to Dungeons and Dragons current edition. Pleasing a dedicated power gaming fanbase with dedicated mode - that I can stand behind. TLDR: Making a whole game around the dedicated power gaming fanbase was literaly a FU from the devs to players like me.

I think the only time I was legitimately mildly annoyed at a change was when they buffed marauder's feet against ballista setups.

I hadnt played in months before TAG1 released and the difficulty is exactly what I wanted. Just getting back into the game and back to killing. Problem was I was rusty, but it was a nice refresher having to remember what I had to do. A refresher tutorial would be better I agree.

i know im a year late to this episode but i wanted to say very well done. very informative and i couldnt help but agree with you (most) of the way. i really enjoyed this!

The second part of the dlc was a letdown. It didn't involve samur and they unceremoniously introduced and killed daavoth immediately. I will say the hell levels in tag 2 and the demonic troopers were really cool looking

Thank you for explaining an interesting history of Doom Eternal. I wanna go back and play Doom Eternal now!

epic video man, well done

Thank you for this video it's a great video it helped me better understand some aspects of the game. Because I was one of the people that after completing my first 100% playthrough of the campaign I did the master levels which were available at the time and I stopped playing. And I didn't return to the game until recently having been playing several other games. And I must admit, I found my love for the game again and funnily enough through my second playthrough I've been getting better, upped the difficulty. But I've felt that I could do better and I'm making mistakes that got me killed. But watching your video was really helpful as you have mentioned various things like using all the mods available, how to make the most of flame belch and such forth that improve my performance. Things I just didn't consider. I also felt inspired by your video to push myself harder and keep grinding to get better and not just do the dlc after i finish playthrough 2 of the campaign and quit again. I'm also really excited to play horde mode too, I was so hyped when I saw that had been added. I must admit I've been really impressed with id's commitment to add more replayability and to continually support and improve the game post launch, as I see so many big games that just don't get that. I suppose I'm seeing the passion,dedication and love for their game as you iterated in the video. So thank you 😊 I'm glad I took the time to watch the whole video.