You are in your own level when it comes to the type of content you're pushing out there. Please carry to teaching the masses to better understand the politics of South Africa especially since we're approaching 2024 so that when we vote, a good number of our citizens take well informed decisions.

Open and honest conversations like this is where change will come from. Great podcast 🔥

Chillers mark the register... let's subscribe and grow this channel, mostly let's come and learn from this power mind.

Now this is the content I signed up for..👏👏….this is exactly how and where Change will come from ….brave conversations…well done Pen !..keep this up !..

Yabona Kodwa Mac G is putting us on. I wouldn't have know this Gem. Great conversation brother!

Pen.... may your voice become louder and reach further because you will influence change in a country we all love. Through my journey, i've learnt that skin colour doesn't differentiate people, it's culture and the more we integrate, the more we understand, the more we accept each other. No one gets to choose who or where we are born into. So we can only go forward and focus on changing what's in front of us. Knowledge is power and education is the key as we unite to transform our amazing Rainbow nation!

Pen please continue doing these types of podcasts to enlighten South Africans. These conversations are extremely vital believe it or not.

I love your conversations with Rob. It gives a sense of hope for SA in the future. I have been watching Gayton very closely and I'm loving what he's doing and stand for. I'm definitely vote for him in 2024. DA is not a bad idea, I know how us black people are scared to vote for them. I've witnessed DA in PE. They were moving in the right direction.

Any vote against the ANC is a win for me. EFF, DA or who ever. it's a win for SA!

Well done on securing this interview with Mr Hersov. I appreciate your efforts of continuously enlightening and educating us. Penuel, thank you so much for this interview. Keep up the good work.

I have no idea who this guy is but based on your dialogue he is one of those who matter n he sounds very optimistic about SA. I would love to draw more from his well of knowledge n experience to make a difference for generations to come in my family

After seeing this, I'm now decided on who I want to vote for in 2024, thanks to Rob for that. Last time I voted ANC was 2004 in the time of Mbeki when the economy was growing at around 5% a year. Its been downhill ever since & here we are now with new political parties that give true hope. God forbid if ANC wins 2024 & 2029, we'd see a huge revolt from everywhere & thats all been my thinking lately, that we're headed for a civil war. But I see your's & Rob's views are valid & appreciated so there's HOPE after all. Thank you, great conversation, keep them coming!! P.s. get Vusi Thembekwayo for conversation as well. I find him also extremely interesting.

If Peneul doesn't establish his own political party by 2024. I am voting for VF or DA.

Voting with emotion is a thing of the past...now we do for the future of our children, since ANC fucked up ours already.

That was a great and informative dialogue. It's good to know that our people of all races love their homeland and would do anything to make it great given the chance.

All of us in the comments also need to please contribute and do as much groundwork as we can in the form of educating and bringing awareness to people on a daily basis. I'm nervous for the next election, Let's be passionate about it. We have just over a year LET'S GO 💪🏽 Great work Penuel 🙏🏽

Penuel you definitely have done an amazing job again, on this one. So much necessary knowledge on this. I feel obligated to just send out my appreciation for seeking this knowledge, sharing this knowledge. People with good intentions and acting out those intentions for the greater good are a necessity for any society. May you not relent....we are evolving

What a man, thank you Penuel for the interview! How do you get hold of Rob Hersov, this man is so passionate about our country I would love the opportunity to work with him on any of his projects.

Awesome interview, please do bring Mr Rob for more. He's open views are very much needs by the masses

We need more. This is very impressive. 👏🏿

I love Rob Hersov how I agree with the guy is beyond

Thanks Pen and ROb for striving to help people to understand what could happen if we can get political change!

Well done on this episode BlackPen. Thank you for the opportunity to open up our minds and think. Politics is more often than not a topic I stray from. I think this was such an easy going conversation to get people like myself to engage in politics and our countries current standings. Looking forward to more interviews like these. Thank you.

I have heard you talking about Rob before Pen,amazing person right there,very mature.. Loved the conversation 👌 Bring him back and cook him with business related questions...

Hopefully this interview will bring hope,change and solutions!!! #educational!!! as always🤘🤘🤘

JEEZ BROTHER I LOVE THIS... REALLLY MIND OPENING A SIGN OF THE HOPE OF HUMAN COLLABORATION FOR A BETTER SOUTH AFRICA!🔥🔥❤❤✊🏾✊🏾

Thank you Penual for your efforts to educate the youth and the rest of South Africa on how business, politics of this country are run. We appreciate your efforts and keep at it

Such a great interview and I appreciate people like you because you give us access to information that most of us never knew about and we really need to have such conversations as a country,so we can change our mindsets and come up with solutions to move this country forward. I love business people like Rob Hersov,they are often accused of stuff that a lot of people don't know about but they often do more for people than the ANC government. We really need to partner with such people and we desperately need to change our government so that it could be easier to work with such great business people so that we can rebuild this country moving forward. Peneul The Black Pen,we appreciate you and I love your mindset.

👏🏾 beautiful and informative conversation. Short but impactful.

Great conversation. What South Africa needs is to bring back political TV debates so the masses can see just how stupid and incompetent ANC leaders are

Penuel your content is always powerful. I want the Penual show to grow.

Pen good work my man. A huge student of life. Keep this content coming. Thank you for exposing us to good people with so much insightful and helpful information. We love bra

I am so appreciative of this informative conversation that alot of people are afraid to have, I hope that this content reaches as many South Africans as possible for us to make the right decision in 2024. I think this whole thing of the race card no longer works because today's generation see's beyond the race. What ever happened before 1994 tought us lessons and surly we will never forget that, but I think our country is at a point where we can move past that and build our country together. ANC will always want to use apartheid as a scapegoat for their short comings and holding us rensome to not vote for other political parties and guess what I don't think that card works with today's generation. IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE AND THE TIME IS IN 2024.

Very interesting and informative 👍

dope one Penuel 💯 cant wait for part 2,3,4 5 6 keep them coming we need conversations like this

For me personally my life won’t change whether the ANC, DA or the EFF is in power. It’s the poor that I’m worried about. I don’t see how the DA serves them in any positive way whatsoever. There’s no evidence that the DA is willing to serve the greater majority of the country and seeing the inequality in the Western Cape is evidence.

Power, insight. Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.

please bring him to virtual mkhukhu also

Big up Black pen, we need such debates and we take them to the groud in the form of community meetings/forums so that those who can't access internet can benefit and take informed decisions about their votes...

Wow this was amazing. Good questions asked robs awesome can't wait for the next one. South afrocans are slowly waking up now 🙏🏽🇿🇦

Thanks!

Well informed conversation....We need more big corporate business people to speak out so that we can hear their alternative thoughts and suggestions....We definitely need more voices like these....People who stand for something whether we agree or not at least we can share some knowledge and solutions with each other....Danko Pen!!! 🙏🏿👌🏿🇿🇦🔥🔥🔥

I like what ur doing penuel, and i hope SAns can c the importance of working with pple who have already made it in business, these pple possess so much knowledge that can change your life in a short space of time, as for Governance its always gonna b a challenge in Africa as we vote with emotions instead of logic!

Thanks for this beautiful conversation I'm so inspired

Good conversation, looking forward to the next one

This was an amazing and necessary video. Hopefully that part 2 gets done too!

What an insightful conversation 🙏

Wow Pen.. thanks for this. You're phenomenal!! Can't wait to meet you one day.

This is exactly the ideas 💡 that builds a great economy finding good people and working with them, black white Indian or legal foreign nationals. Making things great 😊

This was so educational Pen we need more of such content man

Thanks for these conversations Penuel. We need more of these

Great conversation, keeping them coming

Great show pen ..keeping speaking true don't let any one stop u your podcast will go though the roof thanks

Great discussion. Thank you

Great interview, thanks Penuel for not swearing as you were with MacG, I couldn't even finish that interview. This one for me was great and great questions too.

As ridiculous as this sounds, can we please just hide our parents and grandparents ID's come May 2024. It's been said as a joke before but surely we need to do this.

Thankyou for an interesting and inciteful conversation by two brilliant individuals. 🌈😍

This needed to be an hour, really good video

Great conversation with Rob King i've learned something new today

To many political parties not enough fun. Apartheid gov and the ANC need to be held accountable for their actions.

He is not sure how to win the masses and get them to switch but great conversation.

Rob is a straight shooter, doesn't mince his words 😂. Dope conversation...wish it was longer

Loved this discussion! Thank you guys.

I love this Rob dude Finally a man with balls big balls

Good reflections, honest conversation.

Great content, we need more of these productive and informative conversations.

Man Black I'm watching from a distance, Im learning everytime. The conversation's and the people you're having them with💯. keep at it my brother, this is your prime. keep educating the black men and women out here

PENUEL your ideology and approach is so truthful and transparent you are unlocking the reality please expand your conversations to more platforms ..

I enjoyed this conversation

Penuel brul this is very informative. I respect your work fellow Rhodent alumni 👌🏽. Spread more fruits hopefully most can be educated so that siyephambili as a country .

Funny how Rob mentioned all other parties as an alternative and omitted EFF.

This guy is highly ambitious , he really thinks people will just stop voting ANC and EFF .

'... change come through the ballot box, not through the violence, disruptions and civil unrest, we must vote for change' 💯🧠✍️

Thanks for this Pen…it gave me some hope for our future ✌🏼

Again, yes please and soon I hope. While this is still fresh in our mind. Thanks Pen, great interview.

lets fight for this country

The problem is much deeper, these guys have to show that they have changed in the private sector. (That's tough as capitalism ensures dog eat dog). A few token appointments is not good enough. Fair play about the useless government but what about improved minimum wages and bursaries for brilliant kids of their employees. They have to create a climate like in Europe of dignified wages, affordable quality living spaces etc. I worked in corporate South Africa and saw same game played by the ANC there. Not all of us are silly enough believe are a few wise words. Integrity above all else is what South African leadership lacks. Those Apartheid leaders might have been as Fascist as hell but they had integrity and delivered to their base. That's why the Nats never lost since 1948. Anyway great interview and good to see positivity from one of SA's top brass.

Well done Pen - keep it up bro, don't afraid to ask them deep questions.

This is so refreshing.

The Black Pen 🖤 at it again, love it. I like you have transcended race and ethnicity. In South Africa we have a culture of "vote and spectate". The talk of who will be our president is very childish, because a president is just a figurehead. We're obsessed with it because we're looking for a saviour, someone to take us to the promised land and the sooner we abandon that dependency mentality, the better. The real people that do the work are in the departments reporting to mangers and DGs, and those that are in private and civil rights organizations. I still cannot fathom that the DA's track record went over people's heads. Their municipalities have been getting clean audits for more that a decade. Clearly people vote with their emotions and not their heads. Hence we have the CapeExit/ Cape Independence Movement.

What a powerful conversation.....South Africans let's remove ANC come 2024, for better life for all

Great conversation

Great conversation, I agree that we should focus on the good people as a starting point, and these good people should be drawn from various political parties, to ensure that they yield the synthesis. So, keep the door open for all good people (and not just for good people from the DA), they should come from the EFF, ATM, BLF, PAC as much as from the DA, PA, ActionSA, VF Plus then at least, we can hold one another accountable...because we will bring forth narratives of opposing constituencies. The sum of those little (and opposing) constituencies is actually the closest reflection to the beast called South Africa, so in a Nutshell, no one (or very few) will then be left out.

This felt like the Given Mkhari x Johan Rupert Chairman's Conversation where many opportunities for probing were missed, it can't be about sweeping statements that make good soundbite and teasers...

Great interview, if you keep them at 30 minutes max, you'll have me captured 👌

Content is King. And out of the content Kings get wiser. Well done on this Initiative and look forward for more content. All the Best… 🔊

Everyday I am falling in love with your work black pen, you are doing an amazing job brother. Keep up.

I think most people agree that cANCer must go away and this is definitely necessary and urgent. My concern is that as voters and non-voters we have not yet really taken the time to stop and think of how exactly we have participated in the mess that we are in. 1 those who do not vote are contributing significantly in the problems that SA has . 2 Those who continued to vote for the cANCer even though the signs were more and more becoming clear that this party is failing the nation are also very much responsible for this disaster. 3 The way it is so easy to manipulate the masses is another major contributing factor that for some reason we are scared to talk about. The conversation was great however, I think its important that we should also understand that the four things that Rob Hersov mentioned (Governance, Education, Security (Crime) & Employment) are important however, the land issue is just as important to unlock the full potential of this country.

Conversation like these give me hope. I'm 26 and I want to vomit the moment anyone wants to talk politics, ANC (and EFF) politics SPECIFICALLY but this... This was a healthy CONVERSATION, THANK YOU. We need more of such conversations, and more from Rob and other business leaders. I and a lot of people I know are sick of the ANC.

My brother we need another one!!❤️

Voting must be digital now, and real time 😊

Please find more of these types of discussions

Hhhayi, you are on a level of your own Penuel! This is what we need! Very well done!

first time watching after I saw you on MacG

whether we like it or not Rob is telling the truth the thuggery mentality in ANC must come to an end.

Great interview Pen!

Great interview Penuel

I will VOTE for you any day!! Get started, people like you can educate our POOR masses!!! Tell me where I can assist and I will be PROUD to work for you!!!

Loved the conversation but I think why DA works is because it represents privilege people who understands Governance and aware of their rights and constitution. It is easy to manage suburbs than to manage townships. DA's work is to maintain affluent neighborhoods hence they are struggling in townships. Rob is a good man who still needs to work on his bias because EFF (Black) is as the result of DA(white) so this parties are the same they serve the interest of race.

Loved the interview