Thank you to everyone who tuned in. We apologize for the sound issues & will fix them moving forward. We couldn't drop this via The Penuel Show as the production team there was busy & this needed to come out asap. Thank you for all the comments and if someone can get me Hopewell Chin'ono, I'll be happy to sit with him & dissect some of the issues in Zimbabwe. The goal must be to fix the country, so that the citizens can go back home & rebuild their nation, and help SADC to thrive. Thank you🙏🏽

I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your consistently objective and rational content. It's refreshing to see someone on KZfaq who isn't afraid to dive into complex issues and offer thoughtful analysis. Your ability to present multiple perspectives and consider all sides of an argument is truly impressive. Keep up the great work, and know that you have a dedicated viewer in me.

I love Rutendo but after watching the 1st episode of the documentary I can say that he is defending the people exposed in the documentary.

I'm still trying to pin point, how a fellow Zimbabwean benefits from all this constructive corruption.... Great studio set up Pen.

Zimbabwe government really need to communicate with people openly. A silent good guy is never win from a evil guy.

This video is very informative on the back of watching the first episode of that documentary. This video reminded me to always get all perspectives on a matter. Thank you Penuel for setting up this interview. Rutendo is a very insightful person to listen to.

Since Pen stopped swearing, I'm now able to listen to him and get to learn from him. Great interview I must say

Pen I never took you seriously as a god but damn bro you are omnipresent. Putting in more work than entire media groups with unlimited budgets.

The last part deserves its own episode because we don't talk enough about the sexual assault of boys and men in their formative years and the effect it has on how they express their sexuality and their later years, some even go to the dark side so thank you to Rutendo for being so frank about his own experiences.

Thanks to Pen for this segment, I wish these conversations were longer and covered more ground. Congratulations on your new studio setup!!

Once again thank you so much for thought provoking episode 👊🏽. By the way, can invite Rutendo just to talk about business. Step by step guide on how an ordinary citizen (from South Africa and other countries) can invest and conduct business in Zimbabwe 🇿🇼. It look to me that Zimbabwe is open for business, black owned business 👊🏽👊🏽💯.

As long as these types of people are influencing public opinions in Africa, the continent will remain poor. Uebert said he could smuggle a total of 1.2 billion dollars and that he will be doing 5 million dollars every week. We are not fools.

Rutendo Matinyarare. What you are missing out is accountability. Yes what you are saying may make sense in your head Rutendo and I hate the fact that it seems you are just in defence mode when it comes to issues regarding the current government of Zimbabwe. 80% of the things you say are right, however I feel that you are not objective enough when it comes to negative things about Zimbabwe. Its my country as well and I wish it well, the same way you do, however when wrongs are done they need to be acknowledged and corrected not defend or justify them. We should be thanking Al jazeera for exposing this for us so we can work on it as a country. Hope you will be objective enough when you read this comment and not see it as an attack.

Love "The Black Pen" icon on the top right corner of the screen. What a lovely episode. Great seeing The Black Pen diversifying his filming environment. Also, really appreciate the black background and the close proximity between Pen and Rutend: it made for an intimate and intense episode.

This Rutendo guy is benefiting from the looting of Zims resources. What a transition brother, from Edgar's Male model in tur 90s to ZanuPF corruption partner

I will travel to Zimbabwe and apply for a gold license to verify if the process is as straightforward as he & Maponga claim.

I wish you invite Rutendo at least with another scholar or political analyst then we can have balanced views

Dope interview, south Africa,Zim and drc need to make a cartal for gold to determine the price of our gold... Thanks to God pen and rutendo always make me to research after watching they conversation

Aaaah Rutendo amanga, to get that license you must pay someone, my brother applied and he has been waiting for years now

Here are my take aways from the session : 1) Rutendo is complicit in this. The fact that some people approach a marketer in SA for Gold and he admits to "know" Henrietta says a lot. A client who wants 100kgs of gold monthly , let that sink in. 2) Rutendo also has got a motive to water down this documentary for his connection with Uebert Angel. Show me a Zimbabwean who doesnt know that Angel is ambassador at large appointed by the president himself....yet here he is referring to that appointment as grapevine. 3) He acknowledges that Rudland is involved. 4) Also acknowledges the white gold dealers. The question is now, if there is no crime why do they find the need to misrepresent their figures when they get back into the country, its their money as you said. Why is he not saying anything about that guy who exposed the planes used by these dealers etc, he admits to facilitate the gold smuggling for over 2 decades. He has done some good researches simply to discredit the documentary not for the truth. Episode 1's goal was simply to establish the fact that the criminals were willing to wash dirty money , period, lets wait for the next one.

Rutendo singing for his supper

Much love from Zimbabwe. Keep up the good work. We need more Africans like you and Rutendo.

This is for me the most insightful, educational, life changing podcast 👌💯 Thanx Pen, pound to pound the Penuel show is the best

This is one of your best podcasts with just FACTS - if South Africans can stop being complacent and thinking they are "better than" attitude to the Zimbabwean issues - maybe just "maybe" we would make a progress in fighting the common enemy for the better good of both countries. ANC = ZANU at the end of the day.

I get that they need to bring cash into Zimbabwe but only a select few benefit! That part about the Zama zamas being rich is false cause why would so many Zimbabweans leave their country when they could be digging for gold and getting rich in Zimbabwe? He clearly trying to spin this but that part is laughable! 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

The Zimbabwean government must do everything to protect the land, in South Africa we think everything is good but we don't own our land , in the long run Zimbabwe will be left with Children who are wealthy because their parents didn't sell out , and our children here in SA will complain that we left them nothing

I LOVE THE WAY RUTENDO CAN DISSECT A TOPIC AND CLARIFY A SITUATION.

Rutendo is involved in all of this Gold Mafia.

This was Stella Pen. Much appreciated!!! Very insightful conversation

I can’t believe what I’m seeing… so there isn’t corruption? Rutendo has an axe to grind he’s intellectually dishonest.

I hope Zimbabwean youth empower themselves by learning the process of playing a part in this wonderful opportunity presented to them by their country instead of going to the streets to protest for criminalization while losing out on getting some piece of wealth of Zimbabwe for Zimbabweans

Thank you brother Rutendo for enlightening us from our perpetual ignorance, hence so much complaining critising, grumbling instead of providing solutions or getting involved in building our beautiful NATION.

Shouldn't we wait for all the episodes to drop, before we decide or dismiss the validity of the documentary? Its rather fascinating how people became so defensive after just the first episode...

@The Black Pen, thank you very much for what you’re doing!! Great stuff, with all your videos!

He also lies about not being Zanu PF but turns a blind eye on the abuse of citizens why does he not raise those concerns.

This episode taught me immensely about the importance of artisanal mining. Sad at the same time that the ANC government through its neoliberal policies, artisanal mining is criminalised. Zimbabweans are free and liberated for they enjoy what many Africans are being denied to access. Access to mineral resources of your birthland is the highest level of independence

Getting a license in Zimbabwe is not an easy task, I have been waiting for 2 years for a license, i have also seen companies that have applied for licence 5 years ago that have not yet got license and been moving from office to office. The company with airwaves also had a struggle with getting a licence for the airwaves for years.

Its either my concentration and comprehension was bad when I watched the Al Jazeera doccie OR we are being gaslit by Rutendo (I hope the latter is not the case).

I was waiting for this episode... Thanks for making it happen......

I feel They(IMF)are trying to kill Zimbabwe’s gold trade cause its black and successful(inspite the sections)and they don’t have a cut in that trade!!

Absolutely loved this video. Thank you for presenting your more in depth analysis of this situation. However, there is only 1 point a disagreed with, the President does talk about training and employing Prophet Angel as the 1st Ambassador at large on the 1st episode of this series. I look forward to watching you response on all 4 parts of the series

S/O Pen for the work you're doing man, I've learnt a lot since interacting with your content, I'm not a penuelist but I'd like to think I've become more resolute in my own convictions and also nimble in terms of assimilating new information.

Very difficult conversation indeed given the compelling nature of the al jazeera docci, but I think having listened to Rutendo it gives a perspective that one won’t have unless you have context from the ground, it’s made me pause and not take that doccie “hook line and sinker” which I think is dangerous and sometimes creates conditions which lead situations like the one in Libya because we all support the narrative that has been built. We really need to wake up and begin to question everything because the nature of the internet is worse than television society easily gets radicalised online and you can get crucified by people who are not rational, this brings a perspective that restores my faith and hope that we must keep pushing as Africans towards bettering this continent against all odds

What a powerful outro Penuel and an amazing conversation with our brother Rutendo

Gosh i never realised that Rutendo can be this compromised, especially the guy being so knowledgeable and an intellect .

rutendo must be benefiting from zanu pf and illegal gold mining.. how can he justify individuals benefiting from the country resources instead of government for poor's to benefit also

I love this man, may God bless you a million-fold Rutendo.

Ive asked this before! No one else finds it odd that the Vice President of the opposition party is a commentator on this? I'm hoping this isn't another attempt of political unrest in Zimbabwe as the timing in itself is questionable, so close to elections. Furthermore, we need Rutendo on this show, again, again, again and again. Teaches us a lot and provides different perspectives supported by facts!

Mnangagwa's spin doctor👏👏👏👏

Rutendo first says Agents are buying g gold in Zimbabwe and selling it in Dubai then says again that there is only one company that can export but the Agents are not part of that mmca government company. What we see here is that miners are not allowed to export the gold but foreign agents of all different colors are allowed to do this and make billions while Zimbabweans are getting pennies. Also, Where is the proof that tax is being paid by these agents? How much tax? And where is it going? In such an impoverished country, where is the tax on the 125 billion dollar gold market going?

Good information as usual, this man is an African pride lets keep fighting go iAfrika mayi buye!!!

Pen I enjoy your show love your work. It's interesting how Rutendo is on this campaign for the removal of sanctions I would love for them to go the sad part about Zimbabwe is in the 40+ years of independence Which hv been lead by the Zanu pf government they hv numerous corruption scandals Willowvale, Grain marketing board etc which all before the so called sanctions. We can hide behind the sanctions however the Zimbabwe government has not made an effort to meet the requirements for these sanctions to go as a pple we the moment you raise your voice to demand accountability it met with imprisonment Hopewell raise the issue on covid funds n Gold smuggling being n got arrested. Rutendo with same energy hold the leader ship accountability because once the sanctions are gone this corruption we are seeing is going to be amplified. Revolutionary Parties will be Africas undoing ANC n Zanu pf hv the same mindset when it comes corruption no real accountability the crimes start small before you know it state capture = load shading no medication in hospitals no development.

Shout out to God Pen for speaking in a language and explaining things that even for amajita ekasi would understand ❤

I am enjoying how the guys are easily unpacking this issue. Big to you Pen for the platform

Peace, blessings and abundaces brother Pen. I would definitely love to hear more on what brother Rutendo might know or suspect about other uses of gold. I know that it is a much better conductor of electricity than the copper we currently use and, as he mentioned, was placed on the highest tips of some of these tall, ancient megastructures like the obelisks and pyramids. Please dwell more on that if there is chance next time. Thank you.

Siyabonga we Penual ngokuletha umkhaya wami azosivula amehlo kube kuyangami besizoyeka ukuvumela ukusetshenziswa ilaba abangafuni ukusibona sithuthuka kunaloko sibize bona bazosisiza ekuvuseni imindeni yethu ukuze kuzoba noshintsho esizukulwaneni sethu.

Pen, I'm glad you did this interview before I watch the documentary. Bigups.

This has changed from being corruption story to a beautiful story of our brothers and sisters finally benefiting from their countrie's wealth.

One thing the ordinary Zimbabwean will tell you is whats on paper and how things are actually going are totally two different scenarios. Which is were i feel I can’t relate to what Rutendo is saying . Rutendo is saying what is on paper and not what is happening on the ground. Hence why there is backlash. For example, in Zimbabwe we have whom we call Makorokoza, these small scale miners who are not registered and are a large part of the small scale miners Rutendo is talking about. What Rutendo is saying is logical and on paper, but on the ground this is not what is happening.

Thank you so much for this episode Penuel and Rutendo.

Thank you God Pen. Don't give up on us..... I'd like to get Hopewell Chin'ono's opinion or perspective on the documentary as well as Rutendo can sound biased at times

It now makes total sense and its a insightful segment of knowledge ...... These are crucial times and being knowledgeable because there is a lot of propaganda and mental disturbance with looking for one sided story

Thank you Pen for such an amazing platform, very insightful conversations. As a Zimbabwean citizen staying in Zim l strongly disagree with Rutendo. 1) How can he say he doesn't know the appointment of Uebert Angel is an Ambassador at Large by Pres Mnangagwa saying its just grapevine.🤔 2) Which average house of 400 000 is he saying a lot of you Zimbabweans afford? these are lies, a lot of young Zimbabweans are in poverty. We have lots a lot of health care workers the last 2 years seeking greener pastures. 3) l strongly believe a lot of young Zimbabweans do not even know how to use an ATM. whats he talking about us able to withdraw cash. Which cash by the way? 4) Its 200 000 USD to get these Gold Licenses, how many Zimbabweans afford that amount? 5) Hopewell secured 50 dialysis machines for Zimbabwe something our gvt is not doing. @Penuel for better understanding lets also have Hopewell on the platform, someone not biased who will tell the majority/average Zimbabwean person's story.

Thanks Kings as always refreshing 💫

Just because Uebert Angel said I can carry 1.2billion through the airport and not be searched doesn't mean that's what he meant literally its just a metaphor to saying I can transport anything i want through the airport because I am that powerful ,he even goes further to saying I can put someone in a suitcase and not be searched nhai Rutendo zvaunoita sewakadzidza wani

I honestly can’t believe Rutendo. Disappointing! Zimbabwe is under sanctions with the US Government. Zimbabwe is not under sanction with other power nations Russia , China etc so this can’t be an excuse really. We have grown to accept the corrupt behaviours of the ZANU PF, how about we create an open market in Zimbabwe to trade with both the legal and illegal miners. Dubai does it , to improve cashflow and tax efficiency within Zimbabwe. Stringent policy can be more relaxed. In illegal miners. My biggest concern is the this nonsensical behaviour only seeks to improve the UAE economy. From a capitalism perspective ZANU PF must be able to comprehend the stupidity in all of this.

After watching episode 1 of the documentary couple of days later I came across this podcast on my channel and I did not want to watch it because I was furious thinking how dare Zimbabweans are judging us South Africans yet there are in our country while such nonsense is happening in their country. But I must admit I was blind sided I don't know perhaps my trust had grew on trusting Al Jazeera. I mean if it wasn't for my friend who we share common knowledge, views, etc. with I was never gonna watch this. Thank so much @GodPenuel for such an informative podcast and God bless this man Rutendo Matinyarare, I wish he could be my mentor . . . There is a lot we need to learn as African people! Thank you once again for this!!!

Penuel my bro - Your work is highly appreciated my bro. Thank you 👍🏽🌍

As to Penuel. Thank you my brother for being yourself. So far I think you are the most objective person I know. I have never seen a person who address issues so objective as you do and please keep it up. I follow you my brother and watch almost every video you post because its all knowledge on your channel. I watched you getting rebuked by a lot of your guest but you don't show emotion on your face , you apologies if you have to and carry on with the interview in as good spirit as ever. Please keep it up my brother!!

As a person, Once you start having meetings with high profile criminals, high chances are that you may also start doing the criminal activities. Im just saying...

I think I need to first watch the documentary before I come back and watch this important conversation 🔥🔥🔥

Nice convo guys.. @ Rutendo well done for the last 3mins of this...its a convo that needs to be had.looking forward to it... Pen thanks for taking the time to dig deeper in a place where people have already drawn conclusions..

This guy's credibility is out of the water! 😢 Lost respect. No nuance, Nothing! You can raise concerns but not such one sided argument

Rutendo says White Agents buy gold from Zama Zamas/Small scale miners, pay a government company to refine it, then sell the gold in Dubai. The problem is minerals belong to the people of Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans are supposed to benefit from the minerals in their country, not only the miners are supposed to benefit But all citizens.

Penuel, it’s a pleasure to come across your channel. I’m a Sierra Leonean who lives in the USA. I like your takes on black-African personal responsibility in the areas of education, politics, business, and wealth creation for the development of Africa. Could not agree more. I disagree with you dismantling the ANC. The ANC frustratingly archaic, however, I believe pressure from young SA for change “might” be better than the alternative. Secondly, I disagree with your decision to join the Afriforum. I believe for someone like you who’s young, with such a ferocious intellect and a platform to engage your people, you should form an organization to galvanize your people to make the change you want to see. You will NEVER change the agenda of Afriforum; when you join them you lose your power and your ability to influence the agenda.

Thank you so much Penuel for this interview

This kind of Podcast is Out performing mainstream media by leaps and bounds...perfect knowledgeable content 🙌

I salute both african brothers, the assertive questioning from Penwell and the educational type answering from Rutendo.when such engagements occur I see the resurrection of the great Mwenomotapa kingdom,which is suppose to be SADEC, in today's term. Stay stronger brothers

I was waiting for this, the way Rutendo was defending Zimbabwe on your last episode with him.

Powerful discourse. Quite a rarity to receive reported news and dissect with my indigenous society. A blessing it is the platforms available to us to understand our world through. Quality perspectives

Rutendo will do anything to defend Zanu PF because he is benefiting from the looting

The night idea is GOLD 🔥🔥🔥

Rutendo is a young man with an old soul, his very good and articulate when addressing the injustices of the past but opposite when he has to call out the injustices that are currently happening in Zim currently..we can't always blame everything on white people let's take responsibility for once and be progressive in the way we think and do things...

Was waiting for Ur Take in U Mchanaka b4 the episode 2 drop,bcos it's going to have an impact on South Africa

Did you expect the guy to speak against his own interest ? 😂 He is here to spin

This guy is a huge asset for SADC I would like work with him. Rutendo 👊🏾

At last a refreshing view. After watching the Al Jazeera documentary twice I have come to very similar conclusions.

Big up Black Pen my brother, i like the way you direct the interview from the beginning to the end.Africa is rising!!

I think it should be everyone's responsibility to read more about issues concerning their country. To educate ourselves on history so that we do not repeat mistakes of the past. Politicians are selfish in nature and most often make decisions based on selfish ambition. If we don't start to read and do our own research, we will continue to be led astray. With that being said, some of the information in this interview is misleading.

Great & relevant interview Pen! But learn to acknowledge the points of your guest rather than simply moving along or changing the subject when he makes a good point. It makes you seem as though you don’t want to acknowledge not being aware of certain information…

Rutendo is greatest gift to black people and they don't see that. It hurts alot that they don't recognise that

Always watching all of your videos! That’s Zimbabwean gold!!

Mr Rutendo is really good in breaking down and analyzing . 👏👏👏

What I took from this is that Rutendo is good at explaining how things should work but is not talking about what transpired in the documentary. Penuel was distracted from asking the important questions and when he did ask important questions the Rutendo went back to his story telling. Rutendo explain what happened not what should happen. It’s very difficult to get truth when the person conducting the interview isn’t negatively impacted by the scandal. eg, an interview conducted by the owner of the business is tougher than an interview conducted by some HR personnel who has no emotional connection to the entity.

Well done, great insights and eye opening conversation. In addition, there are lots of measures that have been put in place within the international arena to keep the masters superior and the former colonies operessed. Either play by the rules or taken out of the system. A fact that Rutendo is talking about this stuff and that your channel allow such conversations it is towards a right step. However, we also need to keep ourselves on check to unlearn the indoctrination we received. Well done once again.👍🏿👍🏿

The real issue is only a few individuals benefit from the profits of exporting this gold. This is what Rutendo fails comprehend. Its no secret that Zimbabwe have sanctions imposed to but at least the money should contribute to the development of infrastructure and combat social ills.

Thank you so much Rutendo for giving us a broader perspective. You always discuss issues in great depth

This must speak to South Africans on the importance of Land Expropriation without Compensation and Nationalisation of ALL mines.

The government of Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 & the reserve bank of Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 is NOT sanctioned… Magudya confirmed that. However the companies that Rutendo is referring to are owned by people that are on the sanctions list … the sanctions are targeted to specific individuals

Rutendo always humbles me Very informative discussion!!!! I like Penuel too because he's never judgemental