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Exactly. Just like anyone who agrees with that Omar chick is as bad as she is. I think she should be thrown out of Congress and shipped back to the Middle East since she obviously loves it there so much. She sounds like a terrorist sympathizer who hates America and Americans. What the hell is she still doing here?

@@babyhandgrenade4004 You clearly missed the point!

@@babyhandgrenade4004 What the hell is your problem? You are just as prejudice as Thorndyke

@@babyhandgrenade4004 Also she's originally from Somalia which is in Africa, not the Middle East. If you're going to be an ignorant and bigoted cow you can at least get your geography right.

I've always HATED people like that!

Barbara tolerated people and things she didn't like, and that didn't make any sense!

+bibina180 Was she? Even more beautiful human being then

YES

I'm convinced bea Arthur wasn't acting.

@@marklamphear7531 i know right

@kefou kefak the character is dorothy the actress is bea

taurusfroggy She was Jewish herself. This was her basically telling everyone who hated Jews what she thought.

I feel like if they could have gotten by with "fuck you" in prime time, it would have been that and not "go to hell."

No kidding on that one. Dorothy sure taught Barbara a lesson.

A variable of Katharine Hepburn's 'Get permanently lost'.

Without a doubt

@@babyhandgrenade4004 Yep you support Trump and vote for Republicans who have made their hatred of LGBT people well known. You are a Barbara!!

@@ACETYGRA Um if you had read my comment or carefully you would have seen that I said I'm against Omar. She is a terrorist sympathizer and needs to be thrown out of America. I hated my ex because he was a bigot. Why don't you try reading a little bit more carefully before making your judgment? Actually no I don't support Trump. He is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. So that's cool you're entitled to your wrong opinion.

Excellent defense, @Baby hand Grenade!! In this polarized age, people won't consider that it's possible for *anyone's* stances to consist MIXED FEELINGS... 😧They certainly don't know how to recognize mixed sentiments upon encountering them.

@ACETYGRA 😡Baby hand Grenade was only talking about ONE SPECIFIC politician, 😠you fanatically self-righteous example of polarization!

@@daniellevinson6975 you totally missed the point of this. If you tolerate a racist policy then you're just as bad as the people who created it. End of story.

I agree 100 ;)

absolutely! she keeps it 100.

Matt Allen me too

she was my favorite

Dorothy reminds me of myself at this very time during 2018. Made me realize how much my family needs me, Sophia reminds me so much from my sister: Amber. We two share a lot of things together, not common in general. She was there to comfort me because my relationship with my boyfriend ended. I'm so glad to have such an understanding, badadd sister in my life. Without her; I don't know who I be talking too...😢😢😢💓💓

+Mary Smith Yeah, the only thing is they were always crying poverty! In other episodes, they could not collectively afford to fix the leaky roof or even to buy a new big screen TV! :D

Bea reused some of her outfits, I seen her wear the same jacket in three different episodes, as flashy as their eveningwear was I always liked it when you'd sometimes see them wear the same thing more than once because it's relatable she's a substitute teacher how she have a neverending wardrobe and can fit a new outfit for every day of her life lol

Yes they did just beautiful evening wear!!!

In the last few seasons Dorothy sometimes rocked a Chanel purse and jewelry for evening. We never learn what convenience store she robbed to pay the accessories. But I’ve always explained it to myself that the larger scale of the Chanel earrings balanced her wide hips and the flatness of her chest... And then there’s Dorthy and Blanche’s negligees. Dorothy always has a different one and Blanche is usually wearing the same one. It’s incongruous when you consider who would be more likely to have sexy bedroom attire but (and I don’t remember details) it had something to do with perks in their contracts.

Rue Mcclanahan put in her contract that she would keep all Blanches clothes

Sally Streusel : Yes Yes Yes! This comment should be the most liked for this clip- so true!

I might consider it worse! A complicit person understands the harm being done... *Some* bigots, meanwhile, actually DON'T understand. (More than a few have gotten wake-up calls that forever changed their lives once they beheld the truth).

Wisest Owl this is the rule on all walks of life.

Being compliment isn't equally wrong. It's worse. For the only thing worse than doing evil, is allowing evil to happen.

Most people are complicit in some way or another. Bullies get away with being rotten because most people are complicit.

Mark Mullins Gee, yes, an old show about four senior citizen women living their retirement years in Miami managed to wield such power that it kept the poor "straight white male" down. If this poor creature is such a pussy that somehow he can be "oppressed" by an old tv show about four little old ladies living in a house together then perhaps its time to wipe the fragile creature from this earth and start over. Put your tiny violin down, grow up, man up, and stop playing the victim--it's not cute.

He's not calling himself a victim, chatterbox11😒...

@ThomasProductions2000 While those things are more likely to happen to the other demographics you've mentioned, they don't *always* happen to said demographics [Americans of Northeast-Asian descent have a social standing practically identical to that of professional-class whites, and middle- and upper-class blacks have it easier than blacks with a lower income]. Neither are heterosexual white men *guaranteed* to be spared from such bias (at least depending on socioeconic status).

(I do recognize that #5, #7 and #10 are exceptions.)

Terrific show. 30 years later and I still love reruns. I hate snobbish people. You can usually pick them up a mile away. If I met her I would have said "hello, nice to meet you" and not wasted another breath.

I had a Dorothy type as my mother and I miss her every damn day 😔 … my mom was the best.

My aunt Dixie is exactly like Sophia. My cousin,Lonnie sue is exactly like Blanche My grandpa is exactly like Dorothy And my aunt Gianna is basically Rose

I'm convinced she wasn't acting when dorothy said that

Bea Arthur herself was Jewish and probably had antisemitism thrown at her alot

Estelle Getty was also Jewish, and she probably went through the same thing.

The acting that blows me away here is Bonnie Bartlett. No doubt she couldn't be more of an opposite of her character and she's so convincing in the role.

It's NOT unusual for actors to play opposites of who they are in real life! They don't want their fans to think that they have "limited" acting capabilities, and that's good!

So was Maude!

And she said things as she saw them.

She’s my favorite out of all the golden girls.

Yep she is.

That's why I always go for inclusive, NOT exclusive!

@@LisaKoffler Yeah you are a perfect and endlessly tolerant human being, we got it. No need to repeat it over and over again...

S M, that's true, but I think it's stupid to belong to a club with free parking and great breakfasts if the people are rude! I, myself, would belong to a club that has all the things I love most, with people to match!

@@LisaKoffler Yeah, but people are different. It's part of tolerance to tolerate that too.

S M, I agree!

She was like them if she tolerated it

It's the classic defense of racists and bigots everywhere. They want to avoid taking responsibility for their beliefs. "It's not ME, it's my religion/pseudoscience/my club that I choose to subscribe to!"

Luckily no club would ever refuse to allow Jewish people in. It's just not believable. Kinda ridiculous plot if you ask me. Still love the show though!

@@GameChanger597 not so much as you might think. There has been a long history in the states of not allowing Jews membership in clubs and avenues. Granted this very much the rarity now and was also less at the time of the show then in let’s say 1950 but it was there.

@@GameChanger597 Wrong. I grew up on Long Island and we had a country club in my hometown that was restricted. No Jews or Blacks allowed.

Not just Jews though. Such clubs were often restricted for Catholics as well.

+John M Even Miami has retained some of its "Old South" ways.

+John M All the more fitting since Estelle Getty's character, Sophia, is a practicing Catholic while Getty herself was Jewish.

***** This was actually a take from an earlier Mary Tyler Moore episode in which Mary befriends a woman (portrayed by Mary Frann) who exhibits a hostility toward Rhoda, though Mary cannot figure out why. Mary finally gets the point when her friend asks her to play tennis at her club, but rejects Mary's offer that Rhoda come along because the club is restricted. Of course, Mary ends the friendship. Ironic in this sense in that none of the three actresses, including Valerie Harper (Rhoda) were Jewish.

not really John M Catholics were fine

Both were NY Jews. Fun Fact, the Three Stooges were ALL Jewish. The Howard Brothers AND Fine were Jewish.

Everyone's Jewish!

The Marx brothers . . .

Funny how they are Jewish and played as Italians on the show.

You can be Italian and Jewish at the same time.

Right in front of his wife, too. Glorious!

Her neurologist deserved it!

​@@r0bw00d and his wife told him to shut up when he tried to dismiss her again

​@@r0bw00dI loved it when the neurologist's wife told her husband, "Shut up, Lewis!!"

@@wonderwoman5732 well she's his wife he's probably been dismissive of her too look how he treated Dororthy a patient so I wouldn't be surprised if she finally had enough of him and the fact she told him to shut up so Dorothy could finish says it all

+Clement Ng In fairness, Barbara actually had no problem with Sophia.

Your Right she didn’t say anything insulting or mean about sofia but she did through rose and Blanche under the bus a few times in the series

I mean episode

Did you see the episode of "Three's Company" where Jack's fiancee, Denise didn't like his roommates? She also wanted Jack to be something he wasn't just to suit what SHE considered acceptable! Jack broke off the engagement and cancelled the wedding.

@@PintheDog Sophia woulda torn her a new one, whereas Blanche and Rose wouldn’t have said anything like Sophia did

Absolutely!

One of mine too. I think it's tied with Blanche telling her teacher to "KISS MY A!"

Personally I would never wish that on anyone.

Yes

I never thought of that now that you've mentioned it it's a yes

I remember "The Nanny" when Fran tripped Maxwell's ex-girlfriend after she insulted Maggie.

alus nova top, bottom or vers?

Exactly. If you tolerate it you're just as bad as the people who perpetuate that kind of stuff. I say the same thing about child abuse or domestic violence. If you're aware that the abuse is happening and you don't do anything to try to stop it then you're just as bad as the person who's putting their hands on them. End of story.

MOST people eventually come to their senses and realize that they've made a mistake. In the end, Dorothy told Barbara to go to Hell!

> Majority of people will turn a blind eye, even if they know it’s wrong & goes against their values. True. Many many years ago some people very close to me invited me to a "club" with saunas, whirlpools, rubdowns, massages, etc. where they were screening people to "join." I barely got in the door before I saw their screening process and realized it was to keep black customers out. "SEE YA!" To this day it breaks my heart how friends/family would turn a blind eye to that, and I try and convince myself that they are victims of a bygone era train of thought (they were mostly a bit older than I) or just plain ignorant. Still I'm very hurt about how they tolerated that.

Great point. Kudos to the writers and amazing actors.

@@dalyand5944 very innovated

Honestly, in this particular case I suspect Barbara herself does have a problem with Jewish people, but she knows it isn't politically correct, so going places like her club allows her to hide behind the club's racist policies. I could be wrong, and I fully understand she is a fictional character. There are plenty of people who personally aren't racism that just tolerate it when others do it, perhaps partly because they don't think they as an individual can make a difference and partly because they think as long as they aren't personally being the one who is racist that it's not their place to call other people out for their racism. But when those people have the racism pointed out to them they usually get uncomfortable at some level. They start to stammer and are clearly very uncomfortable. The way Barbara comfortably brushes the criticism aside really makes me think she is the other kind of closet racist that at least doesn't think racism itself is wrong or at least that it isn't a big deal. There is an entire spectrum. There are racists who own the fact that they are racist and are even proud of it. There are racists who don't realize that they are racists and would be horrified if they realized it. And there are racists that know they are racists and personally aren't worried about it, but they know they can't express those views in public, so they pretend in public that they aren't. Barabara seems like this last kind. Of course, there are people everywhere else on the spectrum, too.

If this was rated R, she would say, “Go f*** yourself.” 🤣🤣🤣

Yeah! That's a good point. If you got something to say, say it to his face, if you can't do that then STFU. If you're ashamed of your bigotry then you're probably ashamed for a good reason

I was told not to talk about people behind their backs for the same reasons!

BxGirl Blazin'

BxGirl Blazin'

A question that should be asked of a LOT of people!

That Barbara bitch likely owned a copy of Mein Kemf!

It's like claiming to support LGBT rights and eating out at Chick Fil A. Wtf is wrong with people?

She told Barbara to "Go to Hell!"

"Be inclusive" and "Don't be a racist" was not some shockingly progressive message in the 1980's. We all got along better back then compared to now. In fact, things were so much improved, our politicians needed to start brainwashing a new generation of victims to keep their power from slipping away. Forty years later, they've created more division than when this aired new.

There's nothing wrong with progressiveness.

Absolutely! I was born into and raised on diversity, and I get angry when people make "bigoted" judgments! Dorothy was perfectly right to ask Barbara WHY she belonged to a club like that, because it gave her a better understanding of her thinking!

@@LisaKoffler Bonnie Barlett was phenomenal in this episode. She was so smug, arrogant, patronizing and insincere. Not many people know how to execute those 4 behaviors in a such a way as she did. She's just a quality actress. Think about her character on "Little House On The Prairie" talk about a stark contrast.

iluvmyboba, acting is complex, so it's NOT unusual for people to confuse actors with the characters they play!

@@LisaKoffler Re-read what I wrote. That's exactly what I'm saying. Some actors do not know how to relay the nuances of certain character types. And that, Friend, is what causes acting to be complex. I referenced her character on LHOTP to showcase the diversity of her talents.

iluvmyboba, yes! I just did that!

It's hard to play a role of a person so unlike yourself. She gave a strong performance.

Bonnie is talented and beautiful. Love her as an actress

She’s married to William Daniels aka Mr Feeny

She definitely took a bit of a leap here, as she normally played sweet and wholesome women.

She shares my birthday day. She seems really nice …

There will always be Barbara Thorndykes in this world, and that's very sad.

@@LisaKofflerI know, they’re a pollution waste just like Karens.

And it is something how far many of us have come. Back when this aired people were firm about not tolerating or supporting things that were immoral. Now today people are more tolerant over immoral things just so a friendship can be maintained. This has happened because many have decided they don’t want God

Now that being said however all throughout time there have always been people that have tolerated immoral things. But the big majority of people didn’t tolerate immoral things back when God was welcome. And now that he is not it has opened the door for tolerance of things that should not be tolerated.

🤔 So tru.

Beatrice Arthur was Jewish, and I'm Jewish myself, so I also tell people off IF they truly deserve it!

I'm the same way myself!

+atlantic1119 The woman asked Mary to play tennis with her at a club that was restricted.

I remember that episode. Mary lied to Joanne by telling her she herself was Jewish, and it was to see what reaction she'd get from Joanne. It's was a brilliant ruse by Mary being Joanne had an instant reaction of dislke for Jewish people, and Mary ended the friendship because of that.

Yes,remember that episode. Excellent!

So was Estelle Getty!

Or putting it firmly in "Dorothy language"..."walk away now and no one gets hurt".

Maude was the same way!

Good for you

There’s still prejudice of some kind in the U.K. Blondes are favoured here whereas brunettes or girls with darker skin colours are somehow less popular at school and college. My daughter tells me this as she’s at college. It’s so sad. I thought we’d moved on from this crap.

People like Jessica don't deserve respect!

Yes it does, and when someone makes me angry, I put my foot down - whether they like it or not!

She apologized for her mistake.

If ALL of us were like Dorothy, the world would be a much better place!

She just did!

People have the right to free speech and thought. It is not your place to impose your beliefs on others . You can utilize your freedom of speech and expression and persuade them that their beliefs are wrong. Be careful of what you wish for.

​@@PungiFungi people free to critizise their government without fear.not free to spread hate speech

​@PungiFungi we as a society get to decide what we tolerate. Slowly but surely racism is one thing we aren't anymore. You're free to be racist, but everyone else is free to not associate with them and deny them access to services from private entities. Free speech only applies to the government. Everyone else can judge them and react accordingly. Nobody is obligated to treat anyone with civility, especially those intolerant people who express the most uncivil behavior towards people for their race. They don't get to say and do vile shit and turn around and demand the only appropriate response is to try and "persuade" them to be different.

it's not irony; it's acting.

Mine too...and that's high praise because I love all the characters.

It doesn't matter how you dress - your personality is the one thing that can't be ignored!

Can you imagine what his jacket would look like if it was turned inside out?

Zoe Vanhatten perhaps these two idiots below you didn’t watch the video. Let me spell it out for them 1:40.

Zoe Vanhatten Jesus killer

Thor Swenson are you sure you aren’t just jealous because Jews are more successful then you?

hate is real..... wow. Those of you who commented like you did, were you raised to hate other people on their race/faith/etc? I have to believe some of your families did not raise you to hate other people. what happened to looking at a person's character? how that person treats other people? Taboo?

@@Ellypoem ikr everyone is the same in my eyes where all family

We'll never know the final outcome of Barbara's thinking, but I hope you're right!

I think they were the same writers.

I remember that MTM episode. It's sad to know that, 20 years later, the relevance was still present.

@@r0bw00d Loved both MTM and the Golden Girls. They don't make shows like these anymore.

While I do love The Golden Girls, the show did copy a bit frequently from other shows. With regard to the MTM episode, that character (played by Mary Frann) was actually worse than Barbara Thorndike. Barbara was just a snooty hypocrite, but the MTM character was definitely anti-Semitic. You could tell by the way she even looked at Rhoda.

atlantic1119, Joanne Forbes told Mary she wasn't "experienced" dealing with Jewish people. Barbara Thorndyke told Dorothy it was the Mortimer Club's policy, not hers. Either way, I didn't care, because I thought BOTH Barbara and Joanne deserved each other!

Except her wedding dress at the very end. God that thing was ugly. Even Bea hated it.

Not necessarily, since Maude and Dorothy were a lot alike.

The Lifetime airings had the "Go to hell" line still intact.

Smart move! I have NO respect for people like that!

I'm the same way myself!

That's just how some clubs are. They simply won't admit anybody who doesn't suit their own "distorted" standards!

Jasmine Surreal Cat Grant from Supergirl too

It wasn't that long ago that Dorothy would be banned from joining a restricted club for being Catholic.

Who wouldn’t. She’s mean sometimes but really, she’s absolutely lovely and kind.

DesertRose122, Dorothy only "acted" mean, but she wasn't really that way.