Thank you for your efforts for defending the use of “reef grade LC”
@RogueAquariums5 жыл бұрын
Good info Marc on different ways to tackle higher phosphates & nitrates
@ymgimg5 жыл бұрын
I use seaklear in my reef for the last few years, dosed directly to my overflow, never diluted, no filter socks, just the regular filter fleece and over-sized skimmer.
@braveheartreefer5255 жыл бұрын
Great information Marc thanks for sharing
@Ellery-USA5 жыл бұрын
I agree with your experience. Personally I've used Sea Klear Commercial Grade LaCl (undiluted) occasionally for the last 13 years directly in my overflow so it will mix in my plumbing and then filter through my Rollermat but that is only 100 microns and skim fairly wet. In my system 20 drops from my BRS 1.1ml doser reduces PO4 0.02 ppm for my 450g allon system. It does work, per the forums the 10 micron socks supposed keep the precipitates from getting back into your tank since it make cause breathing issues in tangs.
@andrew57623 жыл бұрын
I’m with you , been using it for last year 0.02 - 0.07 so easy to use L/C in a dosser 😉👍🏴
@kenpacheco44265 жыл бұрын
WOW....this could be a game changer for me. I struggle with high phosphates (greater than 1.7 ppm). I've used GFO and it gets it down some but never lower than 0.8 or so. This might be the ticket to help the GFO get it down below 0.3 or so! Great information!!!
@kenpacheco44265 жыл бұрын
@@cuprajake1 20-30 ppm
@kenpacheco44265 жыл бұрын
Walsh hmmmmmm. Ive always ran around 20 ppm no issues. But as my fish got bigger and food requirements increased my phosphates have been increasing. I've cut back on feeding and been dosing NOPOX and phosphates have stabilized at 1.8 or so but still high.
@bigfatnewo5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ken, i switched from using GFO to Lanthanum and have been happy with the change. Only thing is the chemist from our brand here in Australia (Brand is Quantum which i believe will be available in the US soon) strictly says to never use Lanthanum and GFO at the same time as the Lanthanum can strip phosphates out of your GFO so apparently you should always remove any GFO or phosphate removers before starting dosing Lanthanum. I went from cleaning my GFO reactor every 2-3 weeks and replacing GFO to now dosing a diluted Lanthanum solution using a dosing pump spread out 8 times a day which maintains my phosphates between 0.03 to 0.06 depending on my feeding. It is super easy to control the level this way. Just test regularly and if rising increase the daily dose until it stops rising then add some extra manual doses to drop to your desired level. From there just test regularly to make sure its staying were you want it. I have a roller filter which may also be helping. Over all i am happy because i just want to reduce the amount of jobs needing to be done. Just keep my dosing bottle full and that is it. Cheers!
@kenpacheco44265 жыл бұрын
@@bigfatnewo thank you. Sounds like you took it slow and double checked by testing. I'm gonna give it a shot!!
@bigfatnewo5 жыл бұрын
@@kenpacheco4426 Oh and one more thing is it did make a bit of a swing in my calcium levels as i think it breaks the bond of Calcium tri phosphate in your aquarium (i am in no way chemist so if this isnt 100% right please excuse me) but i just monitored my calcium levels closely and dosed accordingly.
@JCSReefing4 жыл бұрын
Been using GFO and am trying to get more simple without using a reactor. been thinking of lanthanum for a while now. thanks for this one!
@BahamaLlamaCoral5 жыл бұрын
Always educational! Thank you!!
@S2minute2 жыл бұрын
You can use a phosphate remover for pools as long as you dose correctly. The Lanthanum binds with the phosphate and makes it a larger molecule. Then a 10 micron sock will remove. The residual lanthanum will be removed by the protein skimmer.
@melevsreef2 жыл бұрын
Correct. I simply use something that's easier. Either Phosphate Rx or Phosban-L.
@bigfatnewo5 жыл бұрын
Hi Marc, thought id post my reply to one of the comment below so you can see how i now use Lanthanum. Thanks for all the helpful vids by the way! i switched from using GFO to Lanthanum and have been happy with the change. Only thing is the chemist from our brand here in Australia (Brand is Quantum which i believe will be available in the US soon) strictly says to never use Lanthanum and GFO at the same time as the Lanthanum can strip phosphates out of your GFO so apparently you should always remove any GFO or phosphate removers before starting dosing Lanthanum. I went from cleaning my GFO reactor every 2-3 weeks and replacing GFO to now dosing a diluted Lanthanum solution using a dosing pump spread out 8 times a day which maintains my phosphates between 0.03 to 0.06 depending on my feeding. It is super easy to control the level this way. Just test regularly and if rising increase the daily dose until it stops rising then add some extra manual doses to drop to your desired level. From there just test regularly to make sure its staying were you want it. I have a roller filter which may also be helping. Over all i am happy because i just want to reduce the amount of jobs needing to be done. Just keep my dosing bottle full and that is it. Cheers! Oh and one more thing is it did make a bit of a swing in my calcium levels as i think it breaks the bond of Calcium tri phosphate in your aquarium (i am in no way chemist so if this isnt 100% right please excuse me) but i just monitored my calcium levels closely and dosed accordingly. Have you seen any swings in your calcium when doing larger single doses Marc?
@CescaTheDarkHorse5 жыл бұрын
Nice video Marc and some good advice on Phosphate control :)
@Reefloco5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Marc! I use Brightwell phospate-E and have been told the same. I have used it several times now with no problems at all. Thank you for the information 🤙🌊🌊
@RomeosReefAquarium5 жыл бұрын
Phosphate Rx dosed into my skimmer at night works great for me. Tank is nice and clear in the morning with no ill effects. Gfo and Phosguard did nothing for me. Thanks for the vid!
@stephenfloyd99005 жыл бұрын
Romeo's Reef Aquarium how are you dosing into the skimmer. Like taking the cap off and dosing in the cone.
@RomeosReefAquarium5 жыл бұрын
@@stephenfloyd9900 Yep. With the eshopps skimmer I just remove the cap and drip it right into the skimmer.
@LJsReef5 жыл бұрын
I just use the old fasion refugium with macro algae, and my Po4 and No3 are both non detectable. I really think it has a lot to do with the kind of Macro Algae im using. Its not grape culerpa and its not Cheato. Not really sure what kind it is but it works amazing.
@travisgraham83785 жыл бұрын
L.J.s Reef ya but how big of a tank and how many fish? Some people like myself have heavily stocked tanks and have to feed a LOT of food
@LJsReef5 жыл бұрын
@@travisgraham8378 good point. Yeah I only have 9 fish in a 75 gallon with a 40gallon fuge.
@KlemmetsmoReefing5 жыл бұрын
Agree. It does work but it also will crash your alkalinity if done too fast. I actually gasped when I saw you dosing it from a syringe that fast. I dose 5 mills, mixed with rodi, over a period of 24 hours using a joey bag (iv bag).
@RipVanWinkle_Nature_Discovery5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. and the info.
@ballyvora5 жыл бұрын
Only used it once but after watching this i think im going to buy some more to have on hand if needed. Run NOPOX but sometimes this can lag behind in phosphates over time.
@tasanastasi77995 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! thanks to you i believe my aquarium is thriving ... On another note Marc , Im really having issues feeding my corals ..fish give me and the corals such a HARD TIME ..do you have any videos on coral feeding and helpful hints please .
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
I have a few good videos. There is a playlist on my channel. But we can always do a new one for your specific topic.
@tasanastasi77995 жыл бұрын
@@melevsreef Yes please Marc .., trying to feed corals with fish around is really hard and annoying , I’m having to push them away with the turkey baster or funnel sometimes i just bash them on the head to go away but they still come back , this is after i have fed them . The other problem is that my aquarium is 90cm deep and I cannot find a lot of instruments that can be easily purchased to go such depths to feed corals ...HELP ! I have seen your feeding video and basically you dont appear to spot feed your corals ...You are amazing , im just a bit stressed on this , my corals and fish are doing really well , but there is room for improvement and to really enjoy feeding the corals ;)
@Trending_topics_worldwide Жыл бұрын
What's the concentration of the Lanthanum Chloride in Phosban-L?
@melevsreef Жыл бұрын
That’s something the brand would have to answer.
@andrew5762 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mel have you now changed from phosphate Rx to Lanthanum 🤷🏻♂️, Can’t wait for you to start Kalcwasser 😄👍🏴Andrew
@melevsreef Жыл бұрын
I'm still using Phosphate Rx as it's easier to dose than this method, but if I ran out, this would be my next option. I did buy some kalkwasser powder from ACI Aquaculture, but the box is in the corner. ;)
@Saltydog547 Жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that Lanthanum chloride is only effective to drop PO4 if your initial value is very high like 0.9 or above. Once it get to 0.1, it has difficulty going lower to like say 0.03. Is this correct?
@melevsreef Жыл бұрын
Yes, that’s true.
@kenpacheco44265 жыл бұрын
Sounds great! One quick question: Have you ever seen any adverse affects from dropping the phosphates this quickly? Just curious. Thank you!
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
No, I haven't. Perhaps because my tanks have been 280g or larger. Then again, I've used it in my 60g system plenty of times and that tank didn't skip a beat.
@kenpacheco44265 жыл бұрын
@@melevsreef thank you. I'm going to try it tonight on my 200 gallon system. I'm only going to do half dose tonight and test. If everything looks good I'll dose the second half tomorrow. My phosphates are at 2.25 (Yikes)
@c4snipar4 жыл бұрын
I want to do a water change after dosing phosphate rx. How long should I wait after treatment?
@melevsreef4 жыл бұрын
None is necessary.
@craigschoonmaker43175 жыл бұрын
I just purchased a bottle of Phosban-L. I have a 120 mixed reef with no SPS and can not get my PO below 0.5. I use Salifert test kits. I have a lot of rock and much of it is 20 plus years old. Also, the LFS I really trust, adds it directly to his tank without dilution; any follow this method? Any advice or thoughts?
@patterdalezipsuzilil2 жыл бұрын
Iam only dealing with po4 0.25 ppm to 0.4 ppm should I stick with gfo only have 3 fish that eat pod that breed in tank
@melevsreef2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the GFO isn't pulling it down like it should.
@timfitzpatrick37244 жыл бұрын
HI Marc are you using the Hanna UL Phosphourous checker to measure your phosphates may I ask? Thanks.
@melevsreef4 жыл бұрын
No, because my Po4 is never ultra low. I use Elos, a titration test kit that is very easy to read.
@timfitzpatrick37244 жыл бұрын
Oh I had the impression that once it got high you brought it down low and I just assumed that meant about .030 or so..lolol sorry..my wrong assumption.
@PillerChildDev Жыл бұрын
Where do you buy this... is Lanthanum Chloride the same as lanthanum chloride heptahydrate?
@melevsreef Жыл бұрын
This was Phosban-L from TwoLittleFishies
@jestronixhanderson98985 жыл бұрын
Mmm that reef2 thread was an interesting read, Rx offered to replace his tang and they have seen cases. I've seen my tang unhappy with too much activated carbon. They just be super sensitive?
@thekillermef2 жыл бұрын
It Is harmful for some habitants?
@melevsreef2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t had any issues but some report yellow tangs are at risk. If you buffer up the alkalinity 20 minutes before using lanthanum-based products, that seems to alleviate that risk.
@problemprone2 жыл бұрын
Phosphate rx killed my blue hippo tang following these instructions
@melevsreef2 жыл бұрын
These instructions don’t pertain to Phosphate Rx. This was for Phosban-L specifically. I’ve never lost any fish to Phosphate Rx, which I have been using about 5x a year for the past 10 years or more.
@tonyblack70465 жыл бұрын
Hello, i have a question for you if you dont mind. I have a bottle that is LANTHANUM CHLORIDE AND LANTHANUM SULFATE. is that a risk? Is it something i can use or no?
@si87805 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video. I have read an article online of yours regarding vodka dosing and you were very impressed with it, do you still carbon dose if not may I ask why not? Thank you.
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
I did it in the past, and it worked well. I stopped because I wanted to try some other methods like biopellets, ceramic bricks, and soon No3Po4x.
@tasanastasi77995 жыл бұрын
My aquarium in quite deep 90 cm ...
@jaysreef57215 жыл бұрын
So would you say you treat both products the same? Well, at least after phos L is mixed up n ready to use anyway? I use phos rx from time to time and without a sock as well lol. Socks always seem to clog before the cloudiness has faded anyway lol. Could u guess'tamate the price n quantity of product between the 2? Thanks Marc always enjoy your vids!!
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
Phosphate Rx is the simpler of the two, and for most people that will be the best choice. For people with huge aquariums, Phosban-L is more cost effective but there's more effort involved.
@Mrestebanito3 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you. Which product would you recommend, phosban L or Phosphate rx? I have read that phosphate rx can stress some fishes . Many Thanks
@melevsreef3 жыл бұрын
Either will work. Phosban-L requires more effort.
@careyedwards56625 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to see the skimmer removing the byproduct from the lanthanum chloride dosing. You showed the dosing but didn't show us the skimmate.
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
www.reeftrace.com/what-does-phosphate-look
@c4snipar4 жыл бұрын
Let say if you only use half of the dose, but it did not lower to the desire level. When can you dose it again?
@melevsreef4 жыл бұрын
Two days later
@alexehrhardt2674 жыл бұрын
You should have mentioned how amazing this stuff is when cooking new rock. Put it into the brute trashcan full of rock... get out all the phosphate leaching out of the rock. Rinse and repeat for a month.
@TylerMorita4 жыл бұрын
Can you point me to more info about this? I'm cycling in a brute can now, display tank wont arrive till Feb. It'd be great to set myself up for success while I'm waiting...
@alexehrhardt2674 жыл бұрын
Tyler Morita www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2099658 Here’s a good one but sum it up 5ml for every 20gallons Water gets cloudy which is why the video suggests using a filter sock, but we don’t care at all since were cooking rock. The lanthium draws out the Ph04 which precipitates out (gets cloudy). When water settles dose again Repeat until you get zero phosphate. You don’t really have to change the water out. BUT at the end your rocks will be covered in dust so the last step is to thoroughly rise it off. It’s harmless trapped phosphate.
@mmpressey5 жыл бұрын
Awesome, informative video! Can I ask what test you use for you phosphates and nitrates? Thanks!
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
I use Elos for both of those.
@mmpressey5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the response! Also, would you recommend this for a nano (16 or 40), or water changes?
@garydsouza23353 жыл бұрын
hi can you buy any liquid form of phosphate remover that can be dosed using a doser....
@melevsreef3 жыл бұрын
I prefer to use products sold like what I mentioned.
@Niterunner775 жыл бұрын
Maybe not a good comparison but would this product be in any way similar to Red Sea’s NoPox? Maybe with a few other things added to it?
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
No, it’s nothing like nopox.
@CrustaceonsReef5 жыл бұрын
NoPox is essentially carbon dosing to grow bacteria, which then consumes nitrates and phosphates in a ratio. A protein skimmer then exports the excess bacteria. What’s shown in the video chemically binds phosphates into a state that interacts with and as a result can be exported by a protein skimmer.
@jeffery66495 жыл бұрын
Curious what your other parameters are in this system? I ask because your sand, glass and rock looks immaculate. I use this product also and I works wonders for lowering phosphate. I am sitting right around .01 and 12ppm nitrate. But I get pretty decent algae build up in the corners of my tank and have to clean the glass almost daily. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm spa heavy in a 250g system!
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
Jeff Birch here you go: 1.024sg 8.33 pH 78.8F 8.5dKH .03 PO4 (after dosing this time) 1250 Mg 400 Ca
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
Jeff Birch and my nitrate is over 50ppm
@jeffery66495 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks for the quick reply!
@BradSyphus5 жыл бұрын
Seems like more work then Phosban RX by Blue life. Which do you recommend?
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
Phosphate Rx is the easier option.
@battyjoe5 жыл бұрын
Have you every done an ICP test prior to and post dosage? If so I would be interested in seeing the results. ....Joe
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
I’m about to send off an ICP test tomorrow. I’ve not done a water change in 18 months so it should be interesting to see what the numbers end up being. I’ve used Phosphate Rx and Phosban-L a bunch of times in those 18 months.
@battyjoe5 жыл бұрын
melevsreef Yes will be interesting to see, especially with all the lanthanum horror stories. Please let us know ... Joe
@hotashesreef4725 жыл бұрын
@melevsreef does the mixed solution have a shelf life, for smaller sized tanks it’s good to know if the stock solution stays good when mixed? Regards,
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
I mixed up a batch that lasted several months. I kept it stored in a plastic sealed container to avoid contamination. Since I only need 60ml, I can use a urine specimen cup (some vendors sell frags this way) to measure & mix single batches easily.
@hotashesreef4725 жыл бұрын
melevsreef thank you, yes I’ve got specimen cups, what numbers are you using to calculate? Save me attending a math lesson ;) Appreciated,
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
@@hotashesreef472 It's 1:2 ratio. If you needed 75ml of solution, you'd mix 25 ml Phosban-L with 50ml RODI water. Here's my blog entry with my own math. You will need to determine what your aquarium needs. And keep in mind, I used it at 50% strength, rather than using the full amount my math suggested I'd need *mainly* because my PO4 isn't 1ppm or higher. www.melevsreef.com/blog/phosban-l-a-new-lanthanum-chloride-product
@Phangmaster5 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how long it takes for the LC to work? Minutes? Hours?
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
I'd say hours.
@c4snipar4 жыл бұрын
Phosphate RX might kill yellow tang?
@melevsreef4 жыл бұрын
Some people have seen that happen, but I have never had it happen with my two Yellow tangs.
@gregdemos92403 жыл бұрын
Melev- how about lanthanum for flatworms?
@melevsreef3 жыл бұрын
Never tried that one
@anthonymurphy31015 жыл бұрын
Why is it so many products can remove phosphate so easy but there isn't anything like.that for nitrates??
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
Vodka. Heavy drinking is the solution. ;)
@anthonymurphy31015 жыл бұрын
@@melevsreef does that leave slime like nopox if over dosed?
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonymurphy3101 Anything that is overdosed tends to create slime. Try to avoid overdosing.
@kasonf21765 жыл бұрын
I’m the opposite
@cameron68245 жыл бұрын
😎👍
@tilexcan5 жыл бұрын
Where did you find the ten micron filter sock?
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
I sell two sizes on my website. Link is in the description.
@antoniomendozafernandes3375 жыл бұрын
Good video, thank you ... for my 100-gallon aquarium I should use 60 drops to carry my acceptable phosphate values. Now, instead of having that effect go up and down every 20 or 25 days, for example, could I have a weekly maintenance dose? for example 6 drops weekly? How could I calculate it?
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
If you dose 60 drops once a month, why not try 15 drops a week? I’m considering that method myself today.
@timfitzpatrick37244 жыл бұрын
HI Marc, do you know of any place in Canada that carries the Phosphate RX??? Thanks kindly, Tim
@melevsreef4 жыл бұрын
I don't know, but I can mail it to you. I'll need your postal code to get a quote, but assuming you want one bottle, shipping is likely $11.
@timfitzpatrick37244 жыл бұрын
I would want 2 bottles please and my postal code is L9Y 0E6, Collingwood, ONtario, Canada
@timfitzpatrick37244 жыл бұрын
That would be so kind of you..Dang I wish you lived closer! Could I hang with you man!!! lololol We could talk reef and have beers! hahahahaah MY HOUSE! HAHAHAHAHA
@timfitzpatrick37244 жыл бұрын
if you could get me a quote on airfreight for it that would be great too..I am thinking might be worth it to get it sooner because I lose more corals I am going to wish I had paid for air freight...Thanks Marc...quote ground and air if you would be so kind much appreciated....This is so great...I looked all day for a supplier..where abouts are you..close to Canada? lololol
@melevsreef4 жыл бұрын
@@timfitzpatrick3724 Sounds fun! Okay, send me a message via melevsreef.com using Contact Us. I need your full name, shipping address, phone number and email address.
@altahoe74 жыл бұрын
I lost 3 yellow tangs today using Rx. 15 other fish are fine. A mystery, but I like the results of Rx. I'll just go super slow & smaller doses in the future.
@melevsreef4 жыл бұрын
That is so unfortunate! I have two yellow tangs in my reef, and I just dosed a lesser amount every day for the past 4 days to bring my Po4 from 1.0 down to .05ppm. My system is 450g of liquid volume, and I used 100 drops per dose. The Yellow tangs have been in my tank for about 5 years or so, and have never had a problem. Wish we could identify what was in your system that could be a catalyst, so everyone could know to avoid it.
@altahoe74 жыл бұрын
@@melevsreef I blame myself. I'm running a 205 g fowlr system & I ignored the directions, thinking it was a piece of cake after watching your video. I didn't administer the dosage slowly and I didn't drip into the #10 socks. My bad. Please note that my Desjardini tang also suffered (same genus) but recovered later that day. Other fish included (showed no ill signs) dwarf angels, multiple species of tangs, rabbitfish, lawnmower blenny, damsels, pajama cardinals, percula clowns, hermits and a Henioculus butterfly My alk is running 10-11 and ph 8.17. I just received my order (apex feeder chimney, MJ vacum adapter) this afternoon. Thanks for quick shipping and the shipping refund for undersized items. Very cool. Love you videos. Cheers!
@smiles1969able2 жыл бұрын
Do you turn uv off ?
@melevsreef2 жыл бұрын
No, there's no reason to.
@smiles1969able2 жыл бұрын
@@melevsreef I found a real problem using this product yes it got rid of po4 but it mimics calcium and it gets absorbed by coral skeleton aswell🤔 the apex doesn’t know any difference to the calcium and it stopped dosing kalk through my reactor 😳 I had to setup a seperate dose to dose alk till it finally dropped calcium essentially not dosing calcium at all it messed with the apex programs I do not recommend using this long term a Refugium is the key to lower phosphate and nitrates imo
@melevsreef2 жыл бұрын
@@smiles1969able Any time you add a chemical of any kind, it will affect water parameters. This is a flocculant. It may affect alkalinity but it won't affect calcium at all. When you dose a product, it's important to check water parameters a day or two later to see. I've been using variations of this ingredient for more than decade (that's longterm, right?), and maintain water quality. I don't use kalkwasser; I do run a calcium reactor to replace alkalinity and calcium 24 hours a day. I also use the Apex controller which controls the calcium reactor to some degree, but not the way you do it. If you continue to use it, you'll figure out that sweet spot and be able to dose without problems.
@smiles1969able2 жыл бұрын
@@melevsreef this absolutely increased my calcium so much so that my kalk reactor stopped as it was controlled by my apex trident 🔱 it continued to stop running for over a week lol
@melevsreef2 жыл бұрын
@@smiles1969able phosphate turned solid doesn’t convert to calcium. I can’t explain why your automation decided not to add kalkwasser for a week. How many drops or ml did you add to your tank, and what size is the system?
@seanjackson40673 жыл бұрын
L
@possiblyadickhead66535 жыл бұрын
Sounds more like a advertisement rather than a discussion
@melevsreef5 жыл бұрын
I do review products, but this was not a product review. It was me sharing my experience with it, while discussing previous products that worked as well. Phosbuster Pro, Phosphate Rx, and now Phosban-L. People want to see how things react in their tank, and my tank is a good way to showcase what happens.
@possiblyadickhead66535 жыл бұрын
@@melevsreef well I guess at least at the beginning of the video towards the end not at all