Double Your Voltage or Runtime From 12 Volt Batteries

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7 күн бұрын

Today let's take a look at how to wire up your batteries in series or parallel to get the most out of them!
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@Frank_K4FMH
@Frank_K4FMH 5 күн бұрын
Another good one, TO! One thing to remember for parallel recharging…each battery box has its own BMS, programmed to optimize the relative charge current to each individual cell. The two battery boxes in parallel can charge simultaneously as long as none of the separate sets of individual cells do not get too different from the others. This will indeed happen over time! Then, the vampire cell will get more charge current at the expense of the others, eroding the SOC for the other battery box. Long term: not so good for the batteries. My attempt to deal with this was to unhitch the parallel cables and optimally charge each battery individually. PITA! When the price/ah came down in the lifepo4 world, I just bought larger cap batteries and repurposed the smaller units. Interestingly, I stuck on a power monitor meter and a Powerpole cluster on each of smaller batteries … making very useful shorter-term power sources for a lot of situations…very lightweight!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
every so often unhitching is a great idea!
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz 5 күн бұрын
About 20yrs ago, I installed an SLA battery for a military site. It was 12v 200Ah and weighed 63kg. A literal back breaker! I'll take new LiFePo4 any day!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
I can imagine!
@WHNorthcote
@WHNorthcote 5 күн бұрын
I did one some weeks back with 2 small 12V 7.4Ah slab batteries. These are the ones from security lights or those exit signs. I now have 12V 14.8Ah to take out. Maybe double the weight but they are quite good for the price as LiPo4 battery is a bit expensive at the moment in the UK.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
Smart!
@KeepEvery1Guessing
@KeepEvery1Guessing 5 күн бұрын
If you have to charge at below freezing temperatures, lead acid isn't dead. But yeah. And note, for series connection, the batteries need not have the same AH rating (or even the same chemistry). You will only get the AH of the lesser battery, but it is safe. I wouldn't charge them that way, as a rule. (Good for things like a 24V CPAP machine when camping.) For parallel connection, it had best be the same chemistry.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
Makes sense to me, thanks
@haxwithaxe
@haxwithaxe 5 күн бұрын
Hand warmers are a thing. I assume battery warmers are too. You can gently warm the batteries if you need to charge in the cold.
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB 5 күн бұрын
@@haxwithaxe Yes, battery warmers are a thing. Some LiFePO4 have them built in so that if charge current is received when the battery is too cold, the charger powers the heat until the battery warms above freezing. Lead acid doesn't discharge or charge well below freezing. The difference is cold charging a lead acid doesn't harm the battery (for reasonable charge voltage and current). Instead the lead acid battery becomes its own heater and as it warms up, more current is consumed by charging and less by self-heating.
@GerForever
@GerForever 5 күн бұрын
An alternative to tape is colored shrink tube to keep things neat
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
#ProTip
@robertmeyer4744
@robertmeyer4744 5 күн бұрын
love them Mini Batteries ! Great for RV get more AH in small space. I charge them one at a time before connecting them. I set up a 24V Power queen battery for a RM italy 24V amp for a friend. they have great manuals ! so does REDODO . 73's
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@hazer72
@hazer72 5 күн бұрын
I have a yellow Radio Shack VOM that I love because it's that compact/self contained.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
The Allosun replaced my radio shack model when I couldn't source a replacement. I love the compactness, makes it super easy to carry. Doesn't do everything, but works well for what it does offer.
@dave6501
@dave6501 5 күн бұрын
Thank-you for the video.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
You bet!
@GerForever
@GerForever 5 күн бұрын
Depending on brand. Not all LiFePO4 batteries are recommended to used in series or parallel. Some have great balencing, charging and protection circutry that may not work so well when connecting to other batteries.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
Good Call!
@carlleon1604
@carlleon1604 5 күн бұрын
Whether in series or parallel, you get the same total POWER (watts). In parallel 12V x 200Amps = 2400 watts. In series, 24V x 100 amps = 2400 watts. If you then step the 24V down to 12V (for amateur gear for example), you'll still get 2400 watts total (less any loss in the buck converter). As a ham, whose first interest is powering radio equipment, I stay at 12 volts. But if my primary concern was powering an inverter to get AC, I'd go with 24 (or 48) volts, as then my cabling needs would be less (lower amperage). Yet you still get the same life/longevity out of x number of watt hours.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
Exactly!
@pilotguyo540
@pilotguyo540 4 күн бұрын
Thank you! I was coming to say this and was having a hard time thinking of a way to say it and not be some mean jerk face.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
@@pilotguyo540 I always try to agree first and then expand. What Carl said only expanded upon the brief info I gave in the video. I have more battery/solar videos to share, but you can't say every single bit of information in a video or people tune out - or worse, miss that part and then ask you a question you answered in the video. KZfaq-Psychology :-D
@carlleon1604
@carlleon1604 4 күн бұрын
@@temporarilyoffline You did a great video with a lot of good info. Just wanted to make sure the novice looking for info was at least aware of the power (watts versus volts and amps) aspect. Thanks for your video.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
@@carlleon1604 thanks Carl!
@Sylvan_dB
@Sylvan_dB 5 күн бұрын
In addition to planning your wire gauge to safely supply the current you need to draw, be sure to include a fuse small enough to protect the wire.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
Good Call!
@victorcharlie7491
@victorcharlie7491 5 күн бұрын
Double the Power, triple the Fun! Looks like You're having a great day there in the Sun, tnx Man!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
That rhymed!
@cornbread-KO5RN
@cornbread-KO5RN 5 күн бұрын
Safety First Boys , when connecting batteries always use your eye protection 😎👋wright
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
Exactly!
@nitekry
@nitekry 5 күн бұрын
Thanks, I just hooked up 3 240AH eco-worthy in parallel to the home power. I used 0/2 , maybe I should use 0/4 but the batteries and leads are not even getting warm, so it may be okay. I may end up moving to 48v when I add solar, just not ready for that yet.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
Sounds like fun!
@dreupen
@dreupen 4 күн бұрын
Wire size depends on the wire length. If you want to double the length you should double the size to equal out.
@2E0VPF
@2E0VPF 5 күн бұрын
you have a dually... you win ham radio youtube.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
I think I might have the biggest truck in ham radio KZfaq. KE0VIM is close.
@ShooterReadyStandBy
@ShooterReadyStandBy 5 күн бұрын
I run 2 15aH Miadys in parallel. Runs my 891 ssb all day.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
I bet it does! Nice setup!
@dougdaniels
@dougdaniels 5 күн бұрын
Great tutorial, you're correct, most manuals are lacking in this area. Regarding cable gauge, if I'm only running a 25A radio, I see that 12ga is recommended. It that for just the cables going to the radio, or can the cables between the two batteries also be 12 ga, or should those be more stout?
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
More stout = less resistance = longer life
@dreupen
@dreupen 4 күн бұрын
It depends on the wire lengths. A wire half the size and half the length is equivalent to a full size full length wire.
@RayDabkowski
@RayDabkowski 5 күн бұрын
TO, How does connecting dual batteries affect the BMS in each battery?
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
The BMS will work individually inside of each battery, but they won't know about the other battery. I would endeavor to charge them both fully for the first time before the hookup and then not discharge them separately again. Once a pair always a pair.
@zer0cool63
@zer0cool63 4 күн бұрын
love the video's .. I have 4 12.8v 20ah lifepo4 battery's wired in parallel so i have 80ah?? or 160ah? ECO-WORTHY 12V 20Ah Lithium Battery, 3000+ Deep Cycle Rechargeable LiFePO4 Lithium Ion Phosphate Battery with BMS for Trolling Motor, Fish finder, Kids Scooters, Power Wheels, Outdoor Camping
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
20*4=80, you got it right the first time!
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX 5 күн бұрын
MORE POWER!!! ARGGHH ARRGHH ARGGHH
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
More is always better! - Almost always anyway.
@jamesalles139
@jamesalles139 5 күн бұрын
moar runs
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 5 күн бұрын
Many powers
@ThumpMaster6
@ThumpMaster6 5 күн бұрын
Much wigglies.
@dreupen
@dreupen 4 күн бұрын
Respectfully, what you state suggests that you do not have a clear grasp of electricity. Your first statements, "double your voltage or runtime" and "more power or longer running" are poor meaningless statements. For example, both the parallel and series configurations have the same power. Not more, not less! Power which is energy/time (units of Watts) is equal to Voltage*Current. The 2 batteries connected together have the same Energy (power*time) independent of a 2S series (26.4V*100AH=2640WattH) or a 2P parallel (13.2V*200AH=2640WH) connection. Your radio likely is not designed to operate on with a large spread of voltages and would likely blow a fuse at best if connected to 26.4V, but it could be fine if designed too(but would need more components and be more expensive). If it were designed so, then the load Current for the 2S (26.4V) would be half that of the 2P (13.2V). This is basic conservation of energy. Don't violate it. Let's say a radio that transmits 100W RF consumes 150W of total DC power when transmitting. Then the 2P combination would draw (150W/13.2V=11.4A) whereas the 2S combination would draw (150W/26.4V=5.7A) so that in both cases the power consumed (i.e. Energy) would be equivalent. Also, the manual is hokey too with regards to wire sizing. One would use a large wire gauge to minimize the voltage drop due to the resistance of the wire itself. Total wire resistance is directly proportional to the wire length. Resistance R= rho * L/A where rho is the resistivity of the material(copper, iron, etc), L is the length and A is the cross sectional area of the wire. This states that if you double the wire length L, then you would need to double the wire area A to maintain the same resistance. I good rule of thumb is to keep the voltage drop along the wire length to less than 10%(i.e. Vdrop
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, you missed the beginner nature of the vid. I said double voltage or runtime, not double power. You're right that power doesn't change. One or the other change. But not both simultaneously. You know that though.
@dreupen
@dreupen 4 күн бұрын
@@temporarilyoffline You did start of the video by saying " Sometime you just need more power and sometimes you need a longer runtime" No not double just more power which is still incorrect. More importantly, runtime should not change unless you can violate energy conservation. Enough of my bashing. You are still the man! Especially on the computing/linux stuff.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 4 күн бұрын
@@dreupen thanks!
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