Not really , yes is a fool talking about slim people and not how to treat those that are overweight , obese and have blood lipid issues. Low carb works by lowering LDL and raising HDL and lowering inflammation. -the cause of plaque build up and heart disease.

Daniel Miller low carb diets actually increase inflammation even if they are in a caloric deficit.

Barrak Sadeq it did not increase it for me. Actually got rid of all markers, plus my IBS, GERD, and even Plantar Fascia all became asymptomatic for the first time in 10 yrs. Coincidently, all of those are inflammatory issues.....and thanks low carb, they do not run my life anymore🤷‍♀️

@@Daniel-jo2mc umm McDougall talks about how to reverse those things all the time, so I'm not sure what you're listening to.

It was a no brainer... ironically 😂

der name des doktors mit dem schnurrbart ist Keith-Thomas Ayoob die teilnehmer von links nach rechts: Dr. John McDougall, Dr. Robert Atkins, Dr. Barry Sears, Dr. Denise E. Bruner, Dr. Dean Ornish, Dr.Morrison C. Bethea, Dr. Keith T. Ayoob. die namen hab ich aus einem anderen youtube link mit der gleichern konferenz: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gJhpmLGBlc62qZ8.html das ganze konferenz video gibts aber hier: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sLBdZbBhl7WyZXk.html was hältst du von den ernährungsempfehlungen von dr.mcdougall und dr.esselstyn? (vegan wholefood plant-based aber ohne fett - keine pflanzenöle/avocados/nüsse/samen). ich finde beide sehen inzwischen doch etwas ausgemergelt aus auch wenn man ihr hohes alter berücksichtigt - möglicherweise ein folge ihrer totalen fettvermeidung?

Dr. Mario, he and his brother later made video games.

Ornish, Ancel Keys et al should be executed for falsification of data that has led to the pandemic of metabolic issues in USA; I mean not the ppl but their ideas of low fat addiction

@@abhijitbanerjee590 and Atkin hasn't been able to produced the study he wanted yet until he died. Dr Caldwell Esselstyn can show plaques being reversed in 1 year why Atkin and other low carbers haven't done it yet? It's so simple have some patients with CTA showing 70-80% blockage. Put them on the diet one year later scan their hearts again. It's so simple. Dr Esselstyn could do it in 1 year why can't Atkin and other low carbers? If they have proved it they would have a Novel Prize already, they haven't and will never be able to do it.

Those societies are on a starve base diet, not starch based diet. It's that simple. McDougal is a con man. May the love and the peace of Jesus be with us.

4um360 blue zones 90% starch. Okinawa Greek islands. Sure a little meat.

@Dragovic Aleksa Interesting indeed. Who the fuck wants to live long and starve ? Live and enjoy life while we can. We must all die. May the love and the peace of Jesus be with us.

@@jwu1950 You sign off with love and peace and defend a diet that kills innocents and promotes disease? Can you see the paradox? LOL Crazy or stupid? Or both?

@@vidadecachorro77 What diet was that ? Don't be ridiculous !!! The diet I am on is a ketogenic diet. It cured my diabetes which I have had for over 20 years taking 4 different diabetes pills daily at maximum dosage. Now, I am diabetes drug free and diabetes free. This doctor is a quack. May the love and the peace of Jesus be with us.

Wasn't Atkins around 20 years older than the other two? Hardly a scientific conclusion (and I'm a vegan).

@@miloseveggies8064 have you seen Ornish or McDougall reach the kind of weight Atkins had, now or ever? Atkins died at 73, McDougall is already 76. Also, I never claimed this was a scientific conclusion.

Atkins slipped on ice, hit his head, and fell into a coma. Kind of unrelated to diet

@@ironfur2000 he was obese and with bad balance, kind of related to diet…

​@@ironfur2000he had heart disease.

John Mcdougal actually doesn’t know what he’s talking about, when he mentions East Asians like China Korea and so on. although anecdotal, I lived in the orient, China and other places and have dined and seen first hand the way they eat, diabetes, heart disease is the highest in the world, and the media blames western fast food like McDonald’s, kfc, Pizza Hut, but when you go to these places Chinese middle age people don’t eat this food regularly, they don’t like it, they usually bring their kids and eat before they go, and most days they’re empty, and when they are packed it’s mostly teens sharing food, or buying ice cream, and plus these western fast foods are expensive, so no it isn’t western fast food. More likely it’s the flour baos with sweet sesame paste, or mung bean, the noodle soup shops, rice all day every meal, fried long wheat breadsticks with sweet soy milk, sugar cane juice, sweet desserts soups to “cool” down body heat, whatever that means, adding sugar to all the cooking even meats, sweet black sesame paste dessert, bean drinks, boba, and did I mention they eat rice, sure you could blame too much fried food, but as a whole most Chinese eat as they always did, except now most homes are using cheap vegetable oils, almost no one uses lard anymore, or salt when cooking and they buy the leanest meat they can find, except if it’s s Buddha day then they buy fatty pork Siu yuk and crispy fat pork, but it will have added sugar for sure, even soup shops and restaurants have taken the fat away, and no longer use salt a lot, instead they use mien jien MSG. The men drink a boat load of beer daily “mostly” and beer is liquid bread it’s high in carbs, and when they eat at these beer outings sure they eat fried food, but they also eat a lot of carbs with that fried meat, and the women almost never go there outings, they eat mostly a high carb, low salt when they can, fruit based vegetable diet. You can’t fool anyone anymore, they are not as healthy people think www.dietdoctor.com/rapid-rise-cardiovascular-disease-china www.dietdoctor.com/china-diabetes-explosion www.dietdoctor.com/number-obese-people-china-surpasses-us-heres

@@numerouno3521 so you just agreed with what he said while saying he doesnt know what he's talking about

Vida de Cachorro not even close.

@@RestingBitchface7 fuck you farmer

Mcdougal is wrong about his statements at the end about China, and starch based diets for health , for example China has a diabetes, insulin resistance and heart disease rate that is the highest in the world, and they eat a alot rice and grain diet, sure there are some sub populations in Asia such as the okinawans that live long and eat less, and foods such as purple potatoes and rice but can we base their diet as an example, put it this was if 10 people smoke and one gets cancer and 9 don’t is smoking okay? Carbohydrates > Insulin > fat storage Science is evolving and Dr Atkins was right all along www.dietdoctor.com/rapid-rise-cardiovascular-disease-china www.dietdoctor.com/china-diabetes-explosion www.dietdoctor.com/number-obese-people-china-surpasses- A calorie is not a calorie kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8ldm5aisN2paHk.html Case of pre diabetes kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qqydbJegna_ZhYE.html Fruits and veggies kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g690p8R7rKilnKM.html Milk eggs and lamb chops kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mct5hLxltri-iX0.html Sugar could be the cause of insulin resistance kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nrifq9l6ltaVcpc.html

yes, except Atkins promoted higher protein; protein also induces insulin response; the folks like Noakes do not share same philosophy as Atkins; they target fat as the main energy source

@@abhijitbanerjee590 The only macro that was typically counted in Dr Atkins' Diet Revolution (1972) and New Diet Revolution (1992) was carbohydrate. If you look at example food plans in the various Atkins books, you will find some that are higher in protein and others that are higher in fat. If you dig deep into "Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution" book, in the chapter titled "Metabolic Resistance: Causes & Solutions", Dr Adkins talks about a "Fat Fast" for folks with extreme metabolic resistance. His fat fast is 1000 calories a day with 90% fat. This variant of Atkins is certainly NOT a promotion of high protein.

You lost me at anecdotal. Okinawans live longer than any ethnic group - their traditional diet is 96% vegan. c1.staticflickr.com/8/7362/13896009837_93f83daed3_b.jpg That's not anecdotal, it's a fact.

Actually, your post wasn't just about China. You referenced "East Asians like China Korea and so on". And as we both know, Okinawa is a Japanese island located in East Asia. Since you only used anecdotal evidence about China to explain your disagreement with Dr. McDougal's point about the linkage between low rates of obesity/Western disease mortality and traditional plant based diets non-Western populations in East Asia and Africa, I raised the Okinawan example to address the limitation in your point since it presents well documented confirmation of his point that a low fat vegetable and fruit heavy diet is associated with longer lifespans and lower rates of chronic disease. As for the rest of your post, there's a lot of extracurricular stuff moving from the actual point at stake here so I will redirect it. The pie chart I presented has been used by the same authors in multiple studies, before and after the one you cited, to make the same point McDougal has made with regards to the nutritional superiority of plant based diets like the Okinawan one. Why you stopped at their argument about calorie restriction is beyond me but their conclusions are definitive on the subject matter. 1. "Implications from and for food cultures for cardiovascular disease: longevity" (2001) apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/APJCN/10/2/165.pdf "...Okinawans seem to have delayed the aging process and the minimized debilitating diseases that accompany the elder years, especially coronary heart disease (CHD). The three leading killers in the west, CHD, stroke and cancer, occur in Okinawa with the lowest frequency in the world. For example, out of 100 000 inhabitants, an average of only 18 die from CHD in a typical year, compared to 20 in Japan and 100 people in the USA (Table 1). *The Okinawan lifestyle provides real, scientifically verifiable reasons why these people are so incredibly robust and healthy so far into their senior years."* 2. The Okinawan Diet: Health Implications of a Low-Calorie, Nutrient-Dense, Antioxidant-Rich Dietary Pattern Low in Glycemic Load (2009) www.okicent.org/docs/500s_willcox_okinawa_diet.pdf "...*Research suggests that diets associated with a reduced risk of chronic diseases are similar to the traditional Okinawan diet, that is, vegetable and fruit heavy (therefore phytonutrient and antioxidant rich) but reduced in meat, refined grains, saturated fat, sugar, salt, and full-fat dairy products.* Many of the characteristics of the diet in Okinawa are shared with other healthy dietary patterns, such as the traditional Mediterranean diet or the modern DASH (Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension) diet. Features such as the low levels of saturated fat, high antioxidant intake, and low glycemic load in these diets *are likely contributing to a decreased risk for cardiovascular disease, some cancers, and other chronic diseases through multiple mechanisms, including reduced oxidative stress.* A comparison of the nutrient profiles of the three dietary patterns shows that the traditional Okinawan diet is the lowest in fat intake, particularly in terms of saturated fat, and highest in carbohydrate intake, in keeping with the very high intake of antioxidant-rich yet calorie-poor orange-yellow root vegetables, such as sweet potatoes, and green leafy vegetables. *Deeper analyses of the individual components of the Okinawan diet reveal that many of the traditional foods, herbs, or spices consumed on a regular basis could be labeled ‘‘functional foods’’ and, indeed, are currently being explored for their potential health-enhancing properties."*

1. Okay, I am glad now you recognize that your point wasn't just about the Chinese as you claimed in the post before. The whole appeal of the Okinawan diet is that it's not new which makes their dietary practices the opposite of gimmicky stuff. Its a culturally ingrained lifestyle that has been practiced for centuries, which means it's sustainable among a large population of people. Same as the Kitavan diet, which is also a plant-based high carb diet of whole food root vegetables, coconut, fruit, vegetables, a little fish and no dairy or other meat products. The macronutrient composition of the Kitavan diet was estimated as *10% from protein, 69% from carbohydrates, and 21% of total calories from fat. sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-can-we-learn-from-the-kitavans/ This is very close to the Okinawan ratio of 9% protein, 85% carbohydrates, and 6% fat with the exception of more vegetable fats coming from the predominance of coconut oils in the Kitavan diet. fanaticcook.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/okinawandiet1.jpg 2. The graph I linked on the traditional Okinawan diet has the source study cited on the bottom.' But you can get the same information in different pictoral form here: www.google.com/search?q=okinawan+macronutrient+ratio&rlz=1CAACBD_enUS797US797&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwid-pO3r-XcAhVhT98KHYFRDvEQ_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=742#imgrc=niXmo-w4f03q8M: You're right to notice the difference between that diet in 1949 Okinawa is impossible to sustain according to Western dietary standards. But that's the actual point McDougall is making in this clip. Your point doesn't dispute McDougall's claim it only confirms it. Even the study you cite makes this point in reference to how Okinawan mortality rates are increasing as they becoming Westernized and eat more calories from meat like pork: " The CR phenotype appears to be disappearing in Okinawa except among older birth cohorts (aged 65-plus years). Calorie intake has been increasing and activity levels decreasing since the 1960s with concomitant population-wide increases in BMI, although this trend appears to have stabilized after reversion of Okinawa from U.S. to Japanese governance in the 1970s (FIG. 1A). Loss of the CR phenotype among younger Okinawans and increased weight gain in this cohort is also associated with higher mortality from obesity-linked diseases. This can be inferred from a mortality crossover, which has followed a BMI crossover in Okinawans versus other Japanese.22 Concomitantly, there has been a significant slowing of life expectancy gains over the last two decades. This may, as is hypothesized in Americans,65 have an unfavorable impact upon the health and longevity of subsequent generations". (p.451) www.okicent.org/docs/anyas_cr_diet_2007_1114_434s.pdf So I don't see the basis for disputing Dr. McDougall's claim in all of your citations, if anything, you're agreeing with him but disagreeing for personal/anecdotal reasons.

Um, your opening sentence was: "Aaron Mcdougal didn’t impress me much, John Mcdougal actually doesn’t know what he’s talking about, when he mentions East Asians like China Korea and so on." So how is that you pretend that you don't disagree or dispute McDougall's claims? It seems to me you're contradicting yourself here. Either that is because you're confused about the subject or are just being intellectually dishonest backtracking after I've presented facts about the Okinawan and Kitavan diet you can't dispute, but surely there's no way you can logically claim you didn't dispute or disagree with his claims when you flatly denounced them.

What? You originally said you believed he was wrong, the said you didn't disagree, and are now both saying he was wrong and it doesn't matter?

Did you watch the wrong video?

Vida de Cachorro you obviously weren’t paying attention.

@@RestingBitchface7 look at Fat Dr Atkins! Vegans are way healthier!

​​@@fabuladeum1id you?? Can you show large successful populations that for thousands of years thrived on heavy meat base or keto diet? We can show you the opposite. Logic always wins.

Wow McDougall lasted 5 years longer hahahaha

But look at Mcdougall now, he looks worse at 70 than Atkins did.

Dr Atkins was killed as a result of a fall on an icy sidewalk. He struck the back of his head and never recovered. It had zero to do with his diet.

@@unicornadrian1358 he was fat when he died; over 220 pounds!

@John Mooter he had been laying in a hospital bed for some time and retaining a ton of fluid following his fall. Please learn facts before making biased comments.

@@unicornadrian1358 actually, he weighed over 250. I am taller than him and weigh 175...lots of fluid there. LOL

Mcdougal is wrong about his statements at the end about China, and starch based diets for health , for example China has a diabetes, insulin resistance and heart disease rate that is the highest in the world, and they eat a alot rice and grain diet, sure there are some sub populations in Asia such as the okinawans that live long and eat less, and foods such as purple potatoes and rice but can we base their diet as an example, put it this was if 10 people smoke and one gets cancer and 9 don’t is smoking okay? Carbohydrates > Insulin > fat storage Science is evolving and Dr Atkins was right all along www.dietdoctor.com/rapid-rise-cardiovascular-disease-china www.dietdoctor.com/china-diabetes-explosion www.dietdoctor.com/number-obese-people-china-surpasses- A calorie is not a calorie kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8ldm5aisN2paHk.html Case of pre diabetes kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qqydbJegna_ZhYE.html Fruits and veggies kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g690p8R7rKilnKM.html Milk eggs and lamb chops kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mct5hLxltri-iX0.html Sugar could be the cause of insulin resistance kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nrifq9l6ltaVcpc.html

@@numerouno3521 true- I must say I have my doubts as to the Chinese only eating starches / rice- to be honest if something is breathing they will ask themselves how it tastes- they fuckin eat everything, dogs, snakes, tortoises, cats, bats to name but a few

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You're the idiot

Go vegan

And both died 5 years apart.

If you are starving on plant based diet... you will like like a zombie.

True, plus he HAD a heart attack! Case closed!

@@gwynedd1 ya fuck atkins

Ornish and McDougall recommend 10% fat diets.

The 30% fat diet still included all the processed grains and sugars, so it was a very poorly designed study.

A piece of greasy meat eating shit. Justice served that he died young

Lineoleac acid is actually even worse.

What lol no

he says starches, I personally will not go all in white potatoes or white rice. fiber along with starch is more important. people hardly overeat on potatoes tho, but add 2 sticks of butter and salt in it. Oh boi they eat a bowl of buttery mashed potatoes like nothing

bilbil: Atkins diet fat and overweight. Good luck with it

james melton he said 10 million books. At just $3 profit per book that's 30 million profit. Try to keep up please

Because Atkins is peddling a poison diet as healthy ?

it's coming from the argument that carbs make you fat and that meat makes you lose weight, said immigrants lowered their calorie from carb intake and drastically increased their meat consumption when they moved to America and got fat and diabetic anyway.

@@MBison-im2qy The immigrants weren't on Atkins though. The point is either a straw man or a red herring. Take your pick.

@@HealthPoliticsAndProtein it's not either because it was about going from high carb to low carb, not to atkins.

@@MBison-im2qy McDougall was responding to the moderator's question about the usefulness of studies and the problem of contradictory evidence. McDougall was trying to cut through all of that by looking at natural history. Agreed. Not a fallacious answer. At the end of the day, Atkins had no research to back up his claims. I want to see another such debate today, where the best science from keto is pitted against the plant-based diet. I'm working on getting that put together.