Her teachings are a perfect example to me of “the philosophies of men mingled with scripture.” She tells half truths which is deceiving for those who follow her.

God's only God if you choose Him to be? Uh no. He's the judge whether you like it or not. Your agency doesn't alter His position as God and judge of the universe. Why is she so obsessed with "my choice" "my way" "my life", as if her philosophy is that you are your own god.

Like Neal Maxwell said, the only thing we really can give God is our will.

Hanks is deliberate with her undisciplined redefinition of terms. It allows her the leeway to directly contradict prophetic teachings with catchy soundbites, and then retreat to vague platitudes when criticized. “Personal authority” as a motte is “your choices are valid by means of your choosing them. God blesses your decisions because they are meaningful to you. You can avoid the consequences by rejecting the general authority that warned you of them.” And the Bailey is “we all have agency to choose. [avoid any attempt to understand the fallout of negative choices]” This pattern is easy to see once you can pick up on an individual who will always wiggle away from a solid position. Even as you steelman them, they will say “no, that’s not it [you aren’t allowed to understand my position because I do not recognize your ability to criticize it as an equal]” Priestcraft is priestcraft.

Love this, there are too many being led astray by charlatans. How she plays the victim for being called out on her teachings that are causing so much harm is ridiculous. I've heard this too many times, the most critical voices pull the whole charity card (which they use incorrectly) if you push back on any of their false claims.

Your guys are the best!!! Thank you for shining a light in her misguidance for so many!! She is WRONG!! SO WRONG!!

Being a "good person" is a Terrestrial gospel, as opposed to the Celestial/exalting gospel offered by Christ's church. It doesn't require organized religion (i.e. the kingdom of God), but then it doesn't offer the eternal blessing that come through Christ and his gospel. It isn't that much different of a gospel than that offered by other Christian churches. If that is all people want, then Julie's way is the way for them. However, it isn't what God wants for them.

Thank you for exposing Julie Hanks and her false philosophies of men. I choose to follow Christ and His true leaders.

Keep it up! You two are great! More people need to hear the danger of her philosophies. And as a bonus I'm learning how to respond when others have adopted her philosophies as well.

I go back to a talk given by Elder Bednar in the October 2012 GC, Converted unto the Lord. It’s the road map to keeping yourself from falling into these traps.

I think there is a good word for the work Julie is doing: priestcraft.

If Julie was not promoting her self as an LDS therapist and expert in LDS stuff she is like any other crystal lover, born again etc…. But she claims to be an authority on LDS topics

To those who fall back on the "it will sort itself out in the millenium" excuse, Alma warned that we not procrastinate the day of our repentance, that the same spirit which possesses our bodies when we depart this life, thatsame spirit will have power to possess our bodies in the world to come.

You are doing a great work calling these false teachers out.

To answer Bridger's question here [27:58] : what was the first thing that Christ taught the Nephites? Repent and be baptized! (3 Nephi 11:41) It is EXTREMELY important to this life. We can't just hope everyone will do that in the millennium.

She asked a poll… 80 % of her responders had left the church or are in a faith crisis … I screen shot it. She is preaching to her choir not the Lords

Is Julies philosophy based in scripture? I haven’t heard her reference any.

My first issue I'm having with Julie Hanks' words is the fact that she is seeking for Heavenly Mother and pushing off Heavenly Father. Even more authority than God since her personal authority differs from the prophet. We make covenants to follow him. It sounds like she is giving God the privilege of being a part of her life. In my view she loves the attention she receives by being lukewarm.

There is a fear to be ferm and strong in believing and defending doctrines and the tendency to move into neutrality is aluring to some members because members want to be kind to all people, but kindness should never be an excuse to corrupt our beliefs. It is necessary to defend ones beliefs when the world changes.

Amen Elder Holland!!!! We never check our religion at the door! [45:18] Amen Jacob at [47:35] When we are a covenant member of the church, you can't be truly neutral.

I had never heard of Julie until a few days ago but did some research and read a lot of comments, and learned she cheers on gays living their "lifestyle" and even accepts pornography. And the video showing the brethren speaking and then her saying just the opposite was an eye-opener.

The perils of Mug-Wumpery. Thinking you can safely play in the middle of the road is a sure way to get run over from at least one direction. The false compassion of the middle ground is a mine field.

Thanks, guys, for both the ideas and your model of how to disagree.

29:30 here “kindness” is neutral and that’s how these bad ideas launder into our vocabularies univocally. When Bridger says, “Kindness” he means the neutrality of not hurting people’s feelings When Joseph Smith says, “Kindness” he means actively working to make life better “Being good humans” doesn’t just mean “not hurting others” (which you can easily do just by sleeping) but it also means “actively working to improve life” That’s why fruits are so important-not only are they results, but they’re also the start needed to build something new Once people understand the difference between the neutral and active versions common words we use, we can stop getting Trojan Horsed by people who say pleasant things

I love President Hinckley and Elder Holland! Thank you so much for sharing their words which are truly inspirations from God. Thank you for all you are doing to build the Kingdom of God!

Dude, what you believe (and the covenants you make and keep) shape what you do and who you are.

14:00 - I think you guys missed an important point to what Julie was saying - when she says she chooses for God to be the authority in her life, and it's okay if other people choose not to - she's basically making the case that there's no real need for a Prophet. She believes, to an extent, that the leaders of the church are given authority by God, and their direction *can* bring us joy - However, she also thinks that the Prophet is good for people who just want to be comfortable and let someone else tell them what to do - but going straight to God is just another way to receive authority that's just as legitimate as if it came from the Prophet. She believes that God's instruction to us personally supercedes the instruction from the Prophet that's meant for all members, especially if that personal authority is different than what the church leaders have said. Either way, you can choose whatever method of God's authority in your life, and you won't be judged any differently. AND - she's also mistaking the fact that God hasn't stepped in and stopped her from acting on her "personal authority" as approval from him.

"...having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof."

I have zero time for Julie Hanks. I am glad that you call these things out. I really feel sad that people can be mislead by this stuff.

God isn't the ultimate authority in our lives because we've chosen Him to be. Regardless of whether we choose Him or not, He is absolutely the ultimate authority in our lives. Moses had been raised in the courts of Pharaoh. He was in line to rule Egypt. Yet even Moses discovered that man is nothing, even though he had never supposed that before. Those who discount God as the ultimate authority in their lives will one day understand that without His grace, we could neither breathe, nor move, nor think, nor act. We can do those things because of Him and by His power. He grants us agency but even that is by His grace.

I love how she didn't want to mention "who" and "what" Videos and responses she's responding to because she KNOWS very well they clearly shows she's in Apostacy and leading MANY other members into Apostacy. If she had actual integrity, and she KNEW she was doing "good", she wouldn't be at all "afraid" of showing the full facts and truth, aka WHO and what she's actually responding to. She's counting on the ignorance of her followers to just believe what she's saying, without allowing them to see for themselves if what she's saying is actually good and true. She's a classic CON ARTIST....

The life of the Israelites was to enter into Covenants looking forward the Christ's ministry and atonement. The life of the Nephites was to look forward to Christ's visitation. Everything Joseph Smith did was to re-establish the Kingdom of God and help us to prepare for the 2nd coming.....Kindness is a FRUIT of preparing for the 2nd Coming.

"i am therapist first and also a member." and yet her commentary is aimed at the church

Great episode. I agree with 90% of your take on this situation. The one place I think you are missing the mark is that licensed professional therapists are required to not impose their religion on clients per the professional ethics code. Not that someone has to compromise their values but they have to consider the clients values as they help them find a path forward. But I think there is plenty of secular data on the negative effects of pornography and addiction to deal with that without a religious bias. In everything else I think you are spot on.

“A finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. The finger is needed to know where to look for the moon, but if you mistake the finger for the moon itself, you will never know the real moon.” It's NOT about the ordinance, it's about what the ordinance reveals, where it points. Ordinances are essential as a matter of completion, they are essential in their symbolism of walking in Godliness. God doesn't care per se that we are physically dunked under water, as if the physical act serves as a ticket to heaven. We utilize ritual as a formal indication that I am committing myself to the process of death and resurrection, of constantly moving through the mode of sacrificing myself and being reborn. Jesus showed us how to be redeemed, and he said, come follow me, all the way to the empty tomb on Sunday. We have a tendency to suggest that ordinances are the moon, when they are only the finger pointing at the moon. This is how subtle idolatry can be and unfortunately, we are not immune to it.

I’m concerned that there isn’t enough time spent among saints learning the gospel. We used to meet for 3 hours on Sunday, meet for Relief Society weekly and Young Men/ women’s weekly also. Many members need more support and learning, especially in this world of anarchy. I agree it’s our own responsibility to learn about the gospel but we need to help strengthen saints with gospel principles and understanding of those who would lead us astray. So how do we do this? How do we bring our brothers and sisters into an growing understanding of the gospel? Now, I’m not questioning the church authorities. Ultimately, this responsibility belongs to stakes and wards, families and individuals.

Oh can’t wait for this … false doctrine, moral relativism and rationalism. Great combo Julie.

The idea that we really do choose for ourselves I think is not a bad one. Sometimes we need a reality check that we are, in fact, exercising our agency and “opting in” of our free will, especially on any doctrine or teaching that we struggle with. With that, though, needs to come the reminder that we have made covenants, and the question to ourselves “Is this keeping or breaking my covenants?” For those who have already made promises and want to be faithful, this should result in a firmer desire to do the Lord’s will and a better understanding of the gospel. But to pretend that any answer to that question is consequence-free is unethical. It’s asking people to act against their own deeply held beliefs, which does not seem helpful even from a non-religious point of view.

Its an extremely unsettling thought that crosses my mind when a well educated person who’s very education is extensively in the study of the human mind says that “I’m not that powerful” alluding to that fact that no one is going to leave the church because of her “powerless” influence or ideology. It’s even more unsettling when you consider that assumingely she has an understanding that most of her audience are people coming from a vulnerable place and are extremely impressionable. this is a testament to me that there is a reason why the prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, President Russel M. Nelson has repeatedly said “How we treat each other really matters! How we speak to and about others at home, at church, at work, and online really matters.” Why does it matter? because even me being someone who’s education doesn’t even come close to Dr. Julies’ formal education, holds a certain amount of power to influence those around me. That being said I don’t think that Dr. Julie is some evil person trying to lead people astray but I do think she falls under the dialogue that Dan Ellsworth and Jeff Bennion have come up with in their article titled “Empathy or Echo Chambers” published in public square magazine. Which physiologically gives insight as to why a person might believe in certain contrasting ideas.

Helaman 13: 24 Yea, wo unto this people, because of this time which has arrived, that ye do cast out the prophets, and do mock them, and cast stones at them, and do slay them, and do all manner of iniquity unto them, even as they did of old time. 25 And now when ye talk, ye say: If our days had been in the days of our fathers of old, we would not have slain the prophets; we would not have stoned them, and cast them out. 26 Behold ye are worse than they; for as the Lord liveth, if a prophet come among you and declareth unto you the word of the Lord, which testifieth of your sins and iniquities, ye are angry with him, and cast him out and seek all manner of ways to destroy him; yea, you will say that he is a false prophet, and that he is a sinner, and of the devil, because he testifieth that your deeds are evil. 27 But behold, if a man shall come among you and shall say: Do this, and there is no iniquity; do that and ye shall not suffer; yea, he will say: Walk after the pride of your own hearts; yea, walk after the pride of your eyes, and do whatsoever your heart desireth-and if a man shall come among you and say this, ye will receive him, and say that he is a prophet. 28 Yea, ye will lift him up, and ye will give unto him of your substance; ye will give unto him of your gold, and of your silver, and ye will clothe him with costly apparel; and because he speaketh flattering words unto you, and he saith that all is well, then ye will not find fault with him. 29 O ye wicked and ye perverse generation; ye hardened and ye stiffnecked people, how long will ye suppose that the Lord will suffer you? Yea, how long will ye suffer yourselves to be led by foolish and blind guides? Yea, how long will ye choose darkness rather than light?

And of course, if she leaves the church on her own choice she doesn't get to play "the victim card." Harsh? Based on experience!

There is double speak and more lawyer language. She is dancing around the issue.

She knows that her followers are leaving the church, that she has led a lot of people that way, and she is continuing in the mission that facilitates that. I think that is really the "tell."

She’s mixing up “authority” which is granted to individuals to teach, lead, preach… with agency… which we were given at birth as it’s the critical part of the plan of salvation. We do all have agency… we are granted authority when we prove ourselves worthy

The answer to your question about therapist first or member first...it IS a bit tricky. I'm a men's marriage coach. Some of my clients are LDS and some are not. It wouldn't be ethical of me to advise or even heavily suggest that a non-LDS client pray to God for his marriage. That is imposing my religious beliefs on him. In my profession, that's unethical. It's not like having a job in the business world. So she is in kind of a pickle. At the same time, she shouldn't be imposing secular views on LDS folks if she is saying publicly that she is LDS. That's a bit disingenuous too. In my opinion, if she is counseling LDS people in public, which she does on her podcast, and she is LDS, she should be true to her faith.

Exciting high drama! Good job guys

I think Julie wants a different church. You don't accept the divine appointment of the brethren and support them in this role? You don't like the patriarchal hierarchy that God has always established and which He Himself follows. You don't like the fundamental teachings of the Church (and scripture) on family, marriage, and sexual relationships.

I did follow that way once and left the church. After some time I started to feel lost. I am now coming back to the church. I choose to listen to Christ through listening to the prophet.

I have a good friend who fell away because of Dr Hanks’ mindset. She was told that no one’s hands should be on her life’s steering wheel but her own. No “Jesus take the wheel” mentality could allow her to realize her happiness. So she dumped her husband and lives with her boyfriend and has never looked back. She has left deep pain in her wake and couldn’t care less. Her disillusioned husband has also not been back to church.

Bridger told me about your channel and highly recommend your channel to me as one of the channels that helped him.

Well, be a good person is good enough for the Terrestrial Kingdom…. I guess they made their choice. I don’t think it’s sad that they gave up the Celestial Kingdom. It’s sad that she is deceiving people and luring them to the shortcut that will take them to the Terrestrial one…. Sad. Thanks for this piece, I really liked it!

This is a great video and was really educational on How to refute the subtle tiny lies of the adversary that are recking havoc today within the church and outside. I thought key points were 1. Understanding agency and, most importantly, the purpose of it. ( to choose everlasting joy or destruction) 2. The purpose of this life. Which shocked me when these 2 lds members think that the ordinances and covenants God established in his church have to importance to anyone in this life. Why did he bother to establish this path if it had no critical importance?

What I'd say in response to Bridger here 25:42 The 99.9% if people isn't something to get hung up about. All 100% if God's children are accountable in relation to His law that has hold upon them. All mankind will be judged for their works and eventually must accept Jesus Christ through ordinances obtained in this mortal sphere, or not. The sermon on the mount was not Jesus Christ's be-all-end-all sermon on what's necessary for salvation. He didn't dump every single covenant step on their heads because that wouldn't have been appropriate for them. There is much secrecy in the gospel, especially relating to temples, which, if Bridger wants to know where Jesus does talk about those things he just has to learn about the 40 day interval of teaching that Jesus had with the apostles after his resurrection. That's the place to look for those things, not the sermon on the mount. As for whether the purpose of life is about "becoming a good person" or taking part in ordinances: Should we really be seperating the two like that? We understand that the first fruits of repentance (becoming a better person or turning to Christ [who is the source of all good]) IS BAPTISM. Saying that this life's purpose isn't to receive ordinances of salvation is like saying that the purpose of an apple tree ISN'T to produce apples. The two go together, and for that 99.9% that don't get a chance to do so here will have provision made for them by those living so that they can be saved as well. All according to God's just accounting for how they lived their lives. Then comes in Jacob's point: If you're a member of the church who should understand what I've just described, then why on earth would you go about saying that being part of the church wasn't as important as something else? The only reason you'd be doing that is if you didn't understand why those things are important or how God's justice really works. It is necessary to "hearken to the voice of the Lord" to whatever degree you hear it. Eventually, all must do so. For those who have heard it on earth (like us) we should follow it. And for those who perhaps have not, we should share.

The war in heaven rages on! If I could guess, these are the same arguments

Christ appears to the eleven disciples on a mountain in Galilee some doubted his reply in Mathew 28:18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth... I think that clears up that confusion...

Therapists are not value neutral, secular or LDS, so we shouldn’t act like they should be (see Slife, Myth of Neutrality). Be up front with your worldview as a therapist - I believe you’re a meat machine who needs to change your chemistry and environment to regulate your experience, or I believe you’re a child of God with divine potential and access to the power of God that can help you in your suffering and bless you in deriving meaning in your experience.

"Thy prophets (speaking of false prophets) have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment." lamentations 2:14

The stick of joseph podcast spoke about the sermon on the mount and looked and it through the lense that it is a covenant/ordinace. Pretty awesome and eye opening

18:01 One of the greatest deceptions today is the erroneous assumption that we, as people, are "good". Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Even Christ didn't categorize Himself as "good" at this moment because He hadn't completed all of His Father's work. He wouldn't even refer to Himself as "perfect" until after His atonement and resurrection when He ministered to the Nephites on the American continent. If Christ didn't even call Himself "good" in this life, how can we be justified in calling ourselves or anyone else "good"? "There is none good but one, that is, God."

Why is Bridger talking about communication to 99.9% of the world population? Julie Hanks messaging is primarily to members who have already made covenants. Which makes her messaging even worse.

People are leaving religion in droves, Julie has been a huge help to me in in my family better, I can handle her independent thought process, there is room for her at the table

Julie Hanks has a doctorate, and highly educated and a woman in a high demand patriarchal religion. Please provide your educational background, I’m curious to know both of your areas of expertise.

The number one issue I see here is the idea and concept of absolute truth. If we hold that everyone here chose the plan of salvation as presented by Christ in the pre-mortal existence, then how can we say the truth of Christ's church not be for everyone? Being a part of the church at that point would be not more meaningful than any other religion, or even non religion.

Julie said if people follow her, and leave the Church. Julie, are you saying you’re not in the church? That must be a burden off your shoulders. Thanks for your honesty.

Makes me wonder if she truly believes in the concepts of sin and eternal, universal truth. 🤔

I think you were talking past Julie on the going too far section about personal authority. I believe you both are correct. God is the ultimate truth of our life however he will not force his authority upon us. That is why the concept of Outer Darkness exists. God will not make us choose to accept the Atonement. Having a choice is there even if it means we make a bad choice. "What should be" is still subjective. There is what God wants to happen and there is what we want as well. We can make a choice for good or bad. On the idea of how do you know if it is the spirit or not we always need to remember that God is Univocal in his work with us. If we all truly follow the truth we will end up in the same place. That being said, though, the path we take to God does not have to be the exact same as everyone else. The plan of salvation is not a specific road map but a series of mile markers that guide us on our path to God. The ordinances are the mile markers. If we follow them we will end up in the same place. I would not say that leaving the church is a good idea on your path to Christ. While it is true you can have a connection with God without the church, your connection is very limited due to not having the ordinances done.

This reminds me of Orson F. Whitney's response to the poem "Invictus" by Ernest Henley. You are not the captain of your soul. Christ is.

I think you guys are focusing on the CONSEQUENCES part of it, in which case God IS the ultimate authority - you're 100% correct. We can (unwisely) make a choice contrary to His will, but we absolutely CANNOT bring about a consequence contrary to His will. I think she's focusing on the CHOICE part of it, in which case God DID preserve our agency so we can choose whether to follow Him - so she's correct on that. I think both parties are simply focusing on different aspects. HOWEVER, I agree that your concern surrounding this point is warranted. I think she's confusing "possible" with "permissible" and substituting "permissible" with "okay". Unfortunately, people often associate "okay" with "favorable". So if she means what I'm steelmanning her argument as, her language should be more specific, lest it mislead people. I'd use something like, "It is POSSIBLE to choose to not follow God since He did preserve our agency, but it will definitely NOT BE FAVORABLE for us if the Celestial Kingdom is our goal, since God's laws are clear and His is the ultimate authority." See 2 Nephi 2 : 27-30. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/2?lang=eng&id=p27-p30#p27

To an unbaptised person who actually still is a free-agent, I would agree with her that they are the authority over their own life, however, we have made covenants and signed onto a team and are no longer free-agents, making us subordinate to the owner of our team, AKA God

oh dear! We need these ideas to be exposed and shed light on

Bridger is teaching a terrestrial kingdom gospel.

Wow, I was very surprised by Bridger’s comments! I’ve liked his content in the past. 🤔 Suuper alarming to hear her comments about pornography. Among others!

Me rn: 👀🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

Covenants can’t be used as a binding instrument against an 8 year old OR without consent and information on said covenants BEFORE being in a situation where one is “making the covenant “ without any prior knowledge or what you’re agreeing to. That’s not Christlike

The fact that members are told to pray about something taught implies a segue

No needs Julie's permission or anyones permission to leave!

Such a terrestrial point of view

She is often praised because their are more women in the church and she has a woman's perspective of relationship with God.

Yes, the church of brotherly love.

She sounds like Korihor.

The most charitable judgement of her "cafeteria mormon" comment is that she used a terrible analogy. It took me all of 30 seconds to come up with a better one. When we build a house, we may focus on building small parts of it at a time, but the ultimate goal is wholeness or completeness. Likewise, as we strive to develop our Christlike character, we may focus on single aspects at a time, but the ultimate goal is "perfection in Christ." The cafeteria analogy implies so much that isn't true, and her use of the term is contrary to common understanding and usage. I don't think Julie deserve this charitable judgement, however. I think she intentionally deceives with her language and then tries to slip away when you pin her to it.

Who am I to judge another

Was hoping this would be an uplifting informative discussion, not almost an hour of tearing someone else down. It has reminded me to remove the beam from my eye and focus on what I need to work on within myself rather than what other people are doing, for that I am grateful.

I don't have anything against Jacob or Julie, obviously they both have different opinions regarding what agency is. Yes, of course God wants us to choose the right always, but we all know that even after becoming members of the church and receiving covenants in the temple, that doesn't make us perfect, and congratulations for those few members who have a full understanding of the doctrine and the covenants we receive in the church and live strictly tight to them. Unfortunately, most of us simply manage to obey God's commandments the best way we can in spite of our personal imperfections. We love the gospel of Jesus Christ, we know that it is a wonderful blessing to have it restored in these latter-days to bring salvation for our souls. I see Jacob criticizing Julie in a way that shows his arrogance for the knowledge he has about the doctrine, but he forgets the commandment of loving one another. I notice more love in Julie's words although not so doctrinal nor religious. At least, that is my perception with these videos. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Matthew 23:23

29:00 The church is also here to ready the world and give christ basically a stage to stand on when he comes again. If there's no proper organisation when god comes that would be incredibly confusing and require a lot of extra work

"34 And after he was slain I saw the multitudes of the earth, that they were gathered together to fight against the apostles of the Lamb; for thus were the twelve called by the angel of the Lord. 35 And the multitude of the earth was gathered together; and I beheld that they were in a large and spacious building, like unto the building which my father saw. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying: Behold the world and the wisdom thereof; yea, behold the house of Israel hath gathered together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 36 And it came to pass that I saw and bear record, that the great and spacious building was the pride of the world; and it fell, and the fall thereof was exceedingly great. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying: Thus shall be the destruction of all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, that shall fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb." (1 Nephi 11)

Bridger, are you keeping the sacramental covenant. Do you think the sacramental covenant is important? God will not be mocked. Do you agree with that?

This lady uses a little truth to confirm her ideology. Those who follow her, are clearly looking for any excuse to live and be OF the world. You will always find what you are looking for.

Hayden is missing the covenant path completely. Being nice is good but not the ultimate goals to reach eternal life.

It's absolutely true you don't need middleman to have a relationship with God. Not primarily purpose of life it connection and relationship.

Julie is there one covenant, or answer to a temple recommend questions, that you are not breaking?

They are scapegoating her for people's freewill!

Thoughtful Faith seems to be saying the prophets will not lead you astray (which is not doctrine), where Hanks is saying get your own testimony of what the brethren are saying. Indeed, the brethren have always told us to pray about what they say and get your own testimony in that regard. The Lord expects that. Does she take the idea of personal revelation too far? That's always a danger.

A person, with their name on the records of the Church, makes them more accountable, for sin. Right?

Yes, you DO get to decide. God will never, ever take away our agency, BUT....oh the consequences! Broken families, loss of testimony, loss of eternal exaltation & on & on & on!

Great missionary to basically promote a world where outside of Mormonism you can do as thou wilt. If your a member than you are stuck with commandments. But, in the world outside it is yours to determine without any moral obligation. Can’t imagine how this is helpful to the object of Zion and understanding a God who has to allow justice to our agency. No repentance in Babylon?? It is unimaginable that Julie isn’t very aware of what she is saying and doing. Wow!!!!

Oh wow! Bridger threw you guys under the bus right at the start.

There may be rare circumstances when God will grant exceptions that go against general revelations to the leaders of His Church. But 99.999% of the time it is wise to check our personal revelations against the general revelations given to the servants the Prophets, ancient and modern.

I used to listen to Bridger but then I realized. How wishy washy and woke he actually was so I stopped

I was 8 when I was baptized, I didn't fully comprehend what I was promising.