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Dragon Ball GT: What The Hell Happened?

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Super Eyepatch Wolf

Super Eyepatch Wolf

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@WakeUpUniverse66
@WakeUpUniverse66 5 жыл бұрын
Its Vegeta's mustache wasn't it?
@davidhong1934
@davidhong1934 5 жыл бұрын
*_~Moustache_*
@Bowiiihowdy
@Bowiiihowdy 5 жыл бұрын
MOUSATCHE MOUSATCHE
@stevemajors3152
@stevemajors3152 5 жыл бұрын
Moustache, Mou-mou-mou-mou-moustache, Moustache, Moustache
@awesome19ssbb
@awesome19ssbb 5 жыл бұрын
i fucking love have this thread quote TFS
@sammydray5919
@sammydray5919 5 жыл бұрын
Dunno why the moustache is hated so much 🙄🙄🙄
@peliparado94
@peliparado94 4 жыл бұрын
Joke's on you, I experienced the whole dragon ball saga through the story mode of Budokai Tenkaichi 3
@jeanettacoyne6390
@jeanettacoyne6390 4 жыл бұрын
@daddy indeed
@cheesefellow3851
@cheesefellow3851 4 жыл бұрын
Carlos Espinosa I experienced it through the second games story mode
@gurpreetsingh-rv6uy
@gurpreetsingh-rv6uy 4 жыл бұрын
Best dragon ball game, finished it many times.
@bingpot3141
@bingpot3141 4 жыл бұрын
Jokes on you DB started with Dragon Ball and not Z so you didn't experience all of Dragon Ball lol(no hate intended)
@cheesefellow3851
@cheesefellow3851 4 жыл бұрын
Man Dude jokes on you, it took me years to learn the og dragon ball’s story through the internet and lore tidbits from the 2nd bt game 😎
@CaptainJacksIsland
@CaptainJacksIsland 2 жыл бұрын
Power levels are cool, but I always preferred the adventure aspect. The original Dragon Ball can't be beat imo. The original Tenkaich Budokai saga with just Goku and Kuririn delivering milk on mountains as part of their training still takes me to a new world. No one had to destroy a planet either. Just watching them move a boulder was awesome.
@tomdrawsstuffs6092
@tomdrawsstuffs6092 2 жыл бұрын
i think the smaller growth like the boulders creates a more intimate feel
@Metalton95
@Metalton95 Жыл бұрын
Which is why I love the Namek saga above all other Dragon Ball - it had the perfect mix of adventure, fighting and involvement of multiple characters. Plus, before we finally saw Nail vs Freeza, Freeza was scary as shit - some untouchable final boss beyond all the other strongs fighters our heroes had to flee and hide from before.
@zermanman9891
@zermanman9891 Жыл бұрын
Yes og db will never be beat
@papps2937
@papps2937 Жыл бұрын
Bros criticizing gt for it being more like db then z💀
@Subpar1O1
@Subpar1O1 Жыл бұрын
I've started liking the casual stuff in Dragon Ball more than the fights honestly. Some fights like Vegito vs Buu, Goku vs Hit and Gohan vs Cell are really good, but I've always enjoyed the stuff like Vegeta and Goku growing to be genuinely good friends, Goku and Piccolo driving cars together, and Vegeta being a good father and husband a LOT more than the whole "universal, multiveral and omniversal level feats" bullshit that modern Dragon Ball does. Don't get me wrong, Super: Broly is my favourite Dragonball related show, but I still really liked the scenes with Beerus and Bra
@omariwalker1006
@omariwalker1006 3 жыл бұрын
The Concepts of GT were actually amazing, if you think about it. The execution however... well, at least the ending was on point.
@AnzuBrief
@AnzuBrief 3 жыл бұрын
are you talking about DBGT or about the SW sequels? Sorry, I couldnt help it. I love your comment. I agree 100%
@VaporeonEnjoyer1
@VaporeonEnjoyer1 2 жыл бұрын
Dan Dan Kokoro and the ending are the only things I like about GT.
@jantheking7028
@jantheking7028 Жыл бұрын
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 You know a show is bad when the only thing likable about it is the ending lol
@AnzuBrief
@AnzuBrief Жыл бұрын
@@KoolKeithProductions eh? why 2005? the Disney sequels came up in the 2010s
@KoolKeithProductions
@KoolKeithProductions Жыл бұрын
@@AnzuBrief Whoops. I thought u said SW "prequels" 👀 I had a long day yesterday and was dead tired when I posted that. My bad, Becca 😅
@OizenX
@OizenX 5 жыл бұрын
While SS4 doesn't have any buildup to it, I do enjoy the fact its related to Sayain lore and the entire giant ape aspect of the race. Something that basically seems forgotten in Super.
@jonnylyden
@jonnylyden 5 жыл бұрын
The Man who sold Za Warudo super completely forgot about it coz Toyotaro sucks at his execution and Toriyama has Alzheimer’s. I’d rather watch a GT episode over a dbs arc any day
@vukasa
@vukasa 5 жыл бұрын
@@jonnylyden Agreed
@hexkwondo
@hexkwondo 5 жыл бұрын
@@jonnylyden me too
@valordelink
@valordelink 5 жыл бұрын
Until broly movie where Spoilers Broly powers come from him using the power of ozaru in human form
@esertpunk3460
@esertpunk3460 5 жыл бұрын
Dope user name
@kaifraz
@kaifraz 5 жыл бұрын
to be fair, we didn't really get any "emotional build up" for ss3 either. it was kinda just dropped out of nowhere from Goku against Fat Buu
@matcomicnerd7631
@matcomicnerd7631 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah you right... because most of the things people don't like about dbgt is it wasn't the same thing as dbz.
@chrisossu2070
@chrisossu2070 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair, that was more of a distraction than a major character evolution. Also, the Buu arc was pretty polarizing in general.
@notproductiveproductions3504
@notproductiveproductions3504 5 жыл бұрын
kaifraz4048 to be fair, it was being hinted at a couple times during the Majin Vegeta situation
@WeskAlber
@WeskAlber 5 жыл бұрын
I dropped off after Z so I can't speak for GT, but the whole arc with Vegeta I feel was the emotional arc bringing us to 3. He was working on developing 3 but then Vegeta did a Vegeta
@valiantparagonvideos2383
@valiantparagonvideos2383 5 жыл бұрын
I think you can argue that Wolf overstates his case in that situation, because of course like 3 both Goku and Vegeta's level 2 (and Gohan, Goten, and Trunks level 1s) don't have any build up either, nor does Gohan's power released form during Buu. While you can chalk these up as one of the reasons why the Buu arc is the weakest in the series, I think it's fairer to say that the initial Super Saiyan reveal, Vegeta's Super Saiyan attaiment, and Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 were just these culminating moments for those characters, not that transformations are universally this situation. Also to be fair the 3 transformation, it did serve a narrative purpose, just a different one. It's not a build up, it's a reveal of what Goku could have done and chose not to and reveals certain things about his character growth and his relationship with Vegeta.
@GaspardGourgaud
@GaspardGourgaud 2 жыл бұрын
As a Mexican guy I experienced Dragon Ball from the first episodes all the way to GT and the dub is just Beautiful, absolutely incredible, one of the good things to come out of Televisa was broadcasting this series for so long, when Goku defeated vegeta for the first time, when he turned super sayian, when perfect cell was defeated by SSJ2 Gohan, it was all you'd hear about at school, even just going for some Tacos if it was dragon ball time, and they had a TV set, you were going to watch it there for sure, such a massive hit around here, still beloved to this day and probably forever.
@daveeol1987
@daveeol1987 10 ай бұрын
Same in ireland. I think its like that all over the world
@AnzuBrief
@AnzuBrief 3 жыл бұрын
There were two emotional moments in the fight against Baby. First, Gokuh didnt become SS4 after having his tail pull out. He became a SS Ozaru out of control. He lost his mind. It was Pan's tears and Pan's picture of their family and friends that returned Goku's consciousness and give him the push he needed to turn SS4. That was an emotional moment. Second, after Goku defeated Baby and Trunks and Goten turned back to normal, they believed that Goku needed to kill Vegeta to get rid of Baby for good. Trunks accepted but you could see his pain, Goten hugged him, and Goku considered his course of actions silently for a few seconds. Then he shot Baby/Vegeta, but it was only to destroy his tail after which Vegeta's body returned to his original and Baby had to leave it. This moment was brief but it was also quite emotional. It's been more than 10 years since I watched GT, but those two moments stand up in my memory.
@elmechanico185
@elmechanico185 2 жыл бұрын
indeed!
@gork4035
@gork4035 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the baby arc, probably one of the best arcs in that show.
@poptart2323
@poptart2323 8 ай бұрын
Yes, after an ass pull. “It wasn’t from his tail being pulled out” he wouldn’t have transformed had he not had a tail? So quite literally yes he had to get his tail pulled out for it to be possible
@AnzuBrief
@AnzuBrief 8 ай бұрын
@@poptart2323 it had to happen, yet, but that turn him into a ozaru, not a super saiyan 4
@poptart2323
@poptart2323 8 ай бұрын
@@AnzuBrief but it literally makes no sense. As the blutz waves turn vegeta’s body who has no tail into one as well. Also why is that baby who had control didn’t become super Saiyan 4? It makes no sense. They were both golden ozaru’s and yet goku is the only one that’s super Saiyan 4? Also why is that cutting baby’s tail makes him turn back into super baby 2? He didn’t even need a tail to transform… the continuity is just thrown out the window
@BD-mt4th
@BD-mt4th 5 жыл бұрын
“The villains of Dragon Ball would just feel like walking power levels” Perfect description of Jiren
@tngaming50
@tngaming50 5 жыл бұрын
Bruh that's "sayin" alot since what made Jiren a walking power level was... Trust issues but that just parallel to GT & Super
@karrot4339
@karrot4339 5 жыл бұрын
Bravo & Delta Jiren isn’t even a villain. Also, they’re going to use him again when Super comes back, and they already planted his seeds for one of the most deep and heart-wrenching backstories in Dragon Ball history. But he’s still just a walking power level. For now...
@BD-mt4th
@BD-mt4th 5 жыл бұрын
CYAN “deep and heart wrenching stories” you mean him losing stuff so he wants to be strong? That’s not really deep that’s just a basic story for characters who have an uprising.
@joxyver
@joxyver 5 жыл бұрын
Bravo & Delta If there is something that I hated (and still hate to this day) more than my hate for GT, it’s Jiren. That walking disgrace of a character in any form of media or animation made me absolutely sick to my stomach and I hope I never see him again. He was an utter joke to everything that is and forever will be Dragonball and he will never claim the title of character, he will only be a walking sack of useless shit that will only be known as “The blank slate”. He doesn’t even deserve the name Jiren, it’s funny but even Kid buu has more character than Jiren. The background characters had more character than Jiren. Hell, think of the worst character in anime or the most hated character in any other anime, they have more character than this narrative mistake that is Jiren!
@InstiGator805
@InstiGator805 5 жыл бұрын
@@joxyver oh shit.
@DragonballBlack
@DragonballBlack 5 жыл бұрын
At least GT showed blood and battle damage. Unlike Super. Just Saiyan.
@superexclusive452
@superexclusive452 5 жыл бұрын
BlackScape because that actually matters
@g3neralcross911
@g3neralcross911 5 жыл бұрын
BlackScape because of how a show is determined to be a kids show nowadays
@blackrose8418
@blackrose8418 5 жыл бұрын
Blood isn't necessary to make a good show
@HyenaBlak
@HyenaBlak 5 жыл бұрын
Lil TAY #YungestFlexaUfDaCentery in dragon ball it does same with people getting killed as well
@knightstudio9985
@knightstudio9985 5 жыл бұрын
true that dragon ball gt had balls show blood unlike super
@saiken811
@saiken811 Жыл бұрын
GT might not be loved by everyone. But to me, I love it and that ending will always be THE ending of DB for me. That ending legit made me tear up.
@poptart2323
@poptart2323 8 ай бұрын
Nothing made me tear up more than seeing vegeta both artistically and writing wise get ruined. Or how they just disregarded basic world concepts to sell toys
@marcoparada6652
@marcoparada6652 8 ай бұрын
Gaayyy
@mentealternativa4026
@mentealternativa4026 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to say something about Baby. I mean, ok, i am hella biased towards Baby, he is my favorite DB villain. I just hope you read this, Wolf. Baby might not have the best battle in the series, i agree with that, but i don't think his battle holds no emotional narrative towards both characters like you said. Goku is the last pure Saiyan in the universe besides Vegeta, and for Baby that means that he is the last remnant of the race that obliterated his home planet. Goku is the last target of Baby's unrivaled hatred, a target that wasn't probably even alive when his planet was attacked. But the thing is that to Baby, as smart as he is, as much "justice" driven as he is, he is still blinded by his hatred. It doesn't matter if Goku was never there, he shares the blood of those who were, and to him, that's all that really matters. No wonder he kinda has a Spirit Bomb, but instead, made of his hatred. The Spirit Bomb in Japan is called the GenkiDama, which can kinda be translated into something like "Positive Sphere" or something like that. Baby's ultimate move is a reflection of what he is, he is a hypocrite that conquered galaxies just like the saiyans did, justifying it as settling a score, and instead of solving problems with dialogue, he instead chose to kill and obliterate oposition, once again, just like saiyans did. His hatred is so powerful he does not need any help to make a Spirit Bomb so to speak, he can do it on his own. About Goku now. Ok, the tail thing? Yes, it is dumb. BUT: what happens later isn't. Goku faces Baby, this time believing he has got it. He has got the tail, he can beat Baby, no problem. After all he was told this would make him stronger, however that does not happen. Baby does not feel any higher power in Goku. So Goku this time is faced not with rage and despair like with Freeza, but with legitmate crippling fear and dissapointment. So many of his loved ones depend on him and he for the first time in his life, simply can't compete, he is out of tricks, out of techniques, out of strength... However, he looks at the moon and he feels something he hadn't felt in a long time. An unstoppable hunger for battle, for killing and the surging of enormous beastly power that slowly takes him over. The power of an Oozaru. Goku in this form is actually finally fighting Baby on an equal level, but is it worth it? Goku is slowly losing his humanity, he hurts not only Baby but also Pan, his dear grand-daughter. During this moment Goku is not unlike Baby, he is a monster, without anything that pushes him foward besides rage. It's only after Pan finally reaches to Goku's heart that he finally remembers. He is fighting for something more. In that moment Goku remember what actually hangs in the balance, it's the fate of everyone in the universe, his family, his friends and their freedom. That is when he finally reaches the form of something beyond a normal Super Saiyan. The Super Saiyan 4 is not like the other forms, it's the appearance and power of a monstruous beast but with the heart and motivations of a human being. Which is ironic, since Baby in this fight later turns into a Oozaru to try and compete, once again going for that simbolism. Baby might use whatever speech he want, he can talk about justice, about his people, about retribution but the truth always reveals itself. Baby is nothing but a beast, consumed by rage, alone with nothing to fight for but his own desires of a petty and non sensical revenge. Goku is driven by something more than that, because underneath the dumb, battle driven beast that Goku can be, he is more human than Baby EVER will be. Goku earned the trust and friendship of those around him with love, his naive way of being and a bit of his sense of humor. Baby forced people to stay by his side because he thought he was entitled and deserving of it, because he was too busy drunk on his wicked sense of justice. That is why in the end, Goku had everyone at his side, and Baby died alone, without a name to call and with no one to miss him. So yeah, maybe it's all the power of friendship, but i still like it a lot. If you actually read this, thanks for the attention Wolf. :)
@irlshrek
@irlshrek 2 жыл бұрын
damn. that was an awesome comment
@j.playart
@j.playart 2 жыл бұрын
This comment is Underrated.
@plushytv5295
@plushytv5295 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have put it better.
@Astartes00
@Astartes00 2 жыл бұрын
👏
@JesusLopez-cg2gq
@JesusLopez-cg2gq 2 жыл бұрын
Wolf did not read this lmao
@mikevilla1694
@mikevilla1694 4 жыл бұрын
"Space Racist", I never heard such an accurate description of Freiza
@yvanlacoste6648
@yvanlacoste6648 4 жыл бұрын
"Well, maybe so... but I can't quite be a racist against a race that doesn't exist."
@penmastery5243
@penmastery5243 4 жыл бұрын
He spacist
@MtGamin
@MtGamin 4 жыл бұрын
@@yvanlacoste6648 dbz abridged?
@yvanlacoste6648
@yvanlacoste6648 4 жыл бұрын
@@MtGamin yep
@nanjobissness4360
@nanjobissness4360 4 жыл бұрын
Best one is "Space Napolian Hittler"
@oxivixo
@oxivixo 5 жыл бұрын
He called Freeza a "space racist" 😂😂 accurate
@copeseethemald8510
@copeseethemald8510 5 жыл бұрын
spaicist.
@bulletpoint728
@bulletpoint728 5 жыл бұрын
Tyrannist
@VixXstazosJOB
@VixXstazosJOB 5 жыл бұрын
He was XD
@VixXstazosJOB
@VixXstazosJOB 5 жыл бұрын
@@copeseethemald8510 no, literal Racist but in a galaxy scale though
@galaxydragon8755
@galaxydragon8755 5 жыл бұрын
Theottis Levon Beelzabuster Guss-Smith "you can't be racist to a race that doesn't exist" -Tfs Freeza
@mlisso979
@mlisso979 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved it. From the Dan-Dan opening to seeing my favourite character, Gogeta. I was young and the internet wasn't there to slap me in the face and point out all the flaws. Doesn't matter though, this show is forever etched in my kokoro.
@BonesNeverLie
@BonesNeverLie 3 жыл бұрын
I completely forgot about all the kid stuff. I just remember the baby arc and I loved it
@giantrujillo2049
@giantrujillo2049 4 жыл бұрын
"I have never hated an anime more than I hated Dragon Ball GT." You clearly haven't watched boruto.
@justinkroboth360
@justinkroboth360 4 жыл бұрын
He has seen Berserk 2016, though, so it really is saying something.
@thechugg4372
@thechugg4372 4 жыл бұрын
Boruto as a concept that exists is the most infuriating thing ever.
@matthewhall1467
@matthewhall1467 4 жыл бұрын
Hey ya know that character we’ve followed through 15 years of hardship where we see him achieve his ultimate goals? Yeah we got a show about his shit kid.
@devyvalentinoify
@devyvalentinoify 4 жыл бұрын
He clearly didn't watch Super! Goku Black Saga was like WTF
@marmato9332
@marmato9332 4 жыл бұрын
Ok I haven't seen neither Naruto nor Boruto, but I didn't know people didn't like that one
@MrDrProfessor4
@MrDrProfessor4 5 жыл бұрын
I'd take GT over Evolution any day.
@brandonsmith2172
@brandonsmith2172 5 жыл бұрын
MrDrProfessor4 *Anything* is better than evolution...
@Whitehawk-
@Whitehawk- 5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Smith even Boku no Pico?
@brandonsmith2172
@brandonsmith2172 5 жыл бұрын
Alemm You have a point there lol.
@jayceallen6530
@jayceallen6530 5 жыл бұрын
No one likes evolution I only know it exists because of cosmonaut variety hour
@mr.m2659
@mr.m2659 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, even boku no pico. No homo
@dhruvhari7189
@dhruvhari7189 3 жыл бұрын
From what I can see, from this video and from my own experience watching it, is that it makes a explanation for the unreleased ending. Cause while super has more escalation, how much escalation can you get? You reach the top of the pyramid, rivals lose meaning. His ending was amazing. The way we see Pan as an old woman accidentally seeing goku, leaving it to us as to whether it was him? Hell, vegeta had a beautiful scene accepting his place as the better father and accepting goku for being the best. The ending that was unreleased had a heartbreaking bit and some deep stuff, which the video explains wouldn't have worked for its child friendly audience. Goku being immortal was ... surprising though. Vegeta having a mustache... eh.
@AkuTenshiiZero
@AkuTenshiiZero 3 жыл бұрын
The thing that bothers me about SSJ4 is that it is ostensibly "taming the beast within," and yet we never actually see Goku go through any kind of story arc to lead up to this. We see him briefly lose control and then contain that animalistic strength into a human form, but it's the payoff to a character arc that doesn't exist. We should have seen Goku struggle with the fear of becoming a monster, scared that he might kill someone again like he did his grandfather. We should have seen him have to come to terms with the beast within and learn how to master it. It's unfortunate that Vegeta was possessed at the time, because as someone who knew how to control the Oozaru form he could have taught Goku more about it, have Goku learn more about his heritage.
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 3 жыл бұрын
SSJ4 is the most overrated form in the franchise
@zurielsss
@zurielsss 4 ай бұрын
SS3 has no buildup either, it’s just appear against fat Buu
@tonyvongola10
@tonyvongola10 5 жыл бұрын
Goku GT: an adult in the body of a kid Goku super: a kid in the body of an adult
@VicMeep
@VicMeep 5 жыл бұрын
Holy shit
@LoganWileyZmonsterH77
@LoganWileyZmonsterH77 5 жыл бұрын
Goku( super) : A kid in the body of an adult. Yep definitely sounds like goku to me
@davidhong1934
@davidhong1934 5 жыл бұрын
How much did Goku mature anyways?
@LoganWileyZmonsterH77
@LoganWileyZmonsterH77 5 жыл бұрын
@@davidhong1934 I don't think he matured much. There are times when he serious like in frieza saga. But he still acts like the same kid in good old dragon ball tho.
@oszeek
@oszeek 5 жыл бұрын
Goku in DB: a kid in a kids body Goku in DBZ: a kid in a mans body Goku in DBGT: a kid in a kids body Goku in Super: a kid in a mans body he was always meant to be a kid at heart, Super didn’t change that
@Tlenodawca
@Tlenodawca 4 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, I didn't give a single f*ck about GT being bad. I freaking enjoyed and loved it as EVERY Dragon Ball episode.
@matheu5mato517
@matheu5mato517 4 жыл бұрын
Same.
@MrPimpJuiice
@MrPimpJuiice 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, me to
@PDXDario
@PDXDario 4 жыл бұрын
The first arch made me want to tear out my eyeballs and throw them at the tv to turn it off quickly and painfully it was the most boring and uninspired thing created to date in the context of anime
@ShadowOfMassDestruction
@ShadowOfMassDestruction 4 жыл бұрын
Same as me man
@nullworks5329
@nullworks5329 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@mafiousbj
@mafiousbj 3 жыл бұрын
It's the same problem I had with the Pokémon anime, no progression and weird restarts. First few seasons were interconnected and felt like a journey of growth. But when Ash started ditching his team every new region, they might as well changed the protagonist to match those of the games, so at least we get a believable arc. I know that anime exists just to sell merchadise but they could still make so much more with it
@Kingnorm04
@Kingnorm04 3 жыл бұрын
The Pokémon Adventures manga does exactly this. It has a new protagonist every arc based on the player character from that game and even old protagonists returns as recurring or side characters in other arcs. They also have arcs based on the remakes that bring old protags back into the spotlight which I thought was really cool.
@plushytv5295
@plushytv5295 2 жыл бұрын
Then the Pokémon anime just became *CRINGE*
@genesisera8364
@genesisera8364 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny you mentioned the Pokémon anime, actually. XY was the closest thing to what you might have been looking for - giving Ash character development, making him both a mentor and a character that just *felt* exactly like you grew up with him and he grew accordingly. Annnd then Sun & Moon happened and everything SEW described in GT happened almost note for note in SM - a character redesign for Ash that made him look younger, the unescapable writing on the wall that the show was now aimed at younger people than you, increased episodic pacing set around a school instead of the older serialised adventuring, and wouldn’t you know it, Aya Matsui of GT fame/infamy was one of the showrunners for SM 👀 Coincidence? Perhaps. But probably not.
@mafiousbj
@mafiousbj Жыл бұрын
@@genesisera8364 I know he finally kisses his travelling partner in XY but honestly didn't watch it (and that they had a childhood connection so it's a believable romance). Was it the series where he gets cheated in the Pokemon League by a guy with a Latios and Darkrai?
@genesisera8364
@genesisera8364 Жыл бұрын
@@mafiousbj No, that was two regions earlier in DP.
@trentnguyen394
@trentnguyen394 4 жыл бұрын
“Struggle all their life to achieve [ssj]...” Goten and Trunk: what?
@homestuck_official
@homestuck_official 4 жыл бұрын
I mean everyone agrees Buu saga kinda sucked lmao
@ech0222
@ech0222 4 жыл бұрын
Trunks*
@CarlJohnson-iv7sn
@CarlJohnson-iv7sn 4 жыл бұрын
@@homestuck_official ya it sucked but some of the moments in buu saga were just great like when those two shooters killed an old couple and buu's dog it felt kinda sad to see that how people really want to do bad things and all they want is just an opportunity to do so. Also I read somewhere dbz was supposed to end after cell saga as Gohan was supposed to be the protagonist of dbz but toriyama was forced to do more as dbz was doing great.
@K-Stac
@K-Stac 4 жыл бұрын
@@CarlJohnson-iv7sn no part of Buu saga sucked
@DaDonroy101
@DaDonroy101 4 жыл бұрын
@Ish no the biggest lie ever told was told by my dad and the lie was that I would turn into a fish if I Stayed in the bath for too long
@FantasticMario
@FantasticMario 5 жыл бұрын
I think the ending of GT where adult Goku flies up in the sky with nimbus and saying "till we meet again guys" ohhhh that was so good. That was an awesome send off.
@michaelsolorio1751
@michaelsolorio1751 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was so depressing, I cried lol for like 2 days
@srt8up4shot
@srt8up4shot 4 жыл бұрын
The ending song is amazing such an amazing ending and series
@graydanger
@graydanger 3 жыл бұрын
As a kid the OP put me in such a mood that It sincerely made me incapable of hating anything that came afterwards.
@thewitness257
@thewitness257 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the ending made me feel genuinely depressed, that's not what dragonball is supposed to be like
@whiskerswow1529
@whiskerswow1529 3 жыл бұрын
I remember being sad asf. When I learned it wasn’t canon a few years later was the best feeling ever.
@PunkExMachina
@PunkExMachina 5 жыл бұрын
I remember one thing I hated as a kid was that GT turned Goten into...Yamcha 2.
@Senumunu
@Senumunu 5 жыл бұрын
ow boy. you are going to LOVE dragon ball super.
@ThexDynastxQueen
@ThexDynastxQueen 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing Spiderman Fan 2002: You do know he couldn't look like Goku forever and by the end of Z he had a shorter version of Yamcha's long hair which continues the weird tradition as Gohan also had Yamcha's hairstyles. Eh I like GT Goten, the boy is focused on getting digits as what is he supposed to do? Matter? He's a minor! /reference
@BaconNCereal
@BaconNCereal 5 жыл бұрын
The Dynast Queen the fans didn’t want anyone replacing goku they were planning on making gohan surpass goku and take over in his death but people didn’t like that idea so they just made his sons pussys
@patricksikhrangkur8814
@patricksikhrangkur8814 5 жыл бұрын
@@Senumunu Does Goten even exist in Super? I really don't remember.
@ThexDynastxQueen
@ThexDynastxQueen 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing: Eh he doesn't to me, he looks distinct which was a missing trait. I get why his design is this way as Goku being dead there need to be no ambiguity he was Goku's kid but too many think he's just like him due to it when he isn't. Taylor: No, check Kanzenshuu's Intended Endings Guide for the Buu arc. The real answer is much simpler. /neeeerd
@ethanahearn9642
@ethanahearn9642 4 жыл бұрын
3 best parts of GT, 1, the ending 2, Vegeta claiming that he was the earths protector 3, SSJ4
@gabrielherman3004
@gabrielherman3004 4 жыл бұрын
How?
@miguelpadilla4101
@miguelpadilla4101 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with all 3 plus the shadow dragons cause i liked the fact that the dragon balls had a consequence of being used.
@sanguine7616
@sanguine7616 4 жыл бұрын
This is strictly my opinion, but I fucking hate how SSJ4 looks. I don’t care about anything else about it, it might even be a great concept, but to my personal sense of aesthetics, it just looks so unbelievable stupid that I just totally fail to understand why people like how it looks. I get that it’s a matter of preference, it’s subjective, but goddamn do I hate that shit.
@youhaveayds8975
@youhaveayds8975 4 жыл бұрын
@@sanguine7616 its supposed to be the compressed/controlled energy of the golden great ape so it would definitely be better idk golden??
@mazoku6793
@mazoku6793 4 жыл бұрын
Also, Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku
@Tanglw
@Tanglw 3 жыл бұрын
I love the maturity presented at the end of this video. I had the exact opposite experience with Dragon Ball growing up as a child. GT was on television when I had the same age Goku was turned back into. DBZ was on television too, but that was a "boring grown up show" I couldn't get into. GT was for me, it was beautiful, it was fun, it was amazing. The ending of GT was very possibly the first really deep emotional experience I had with television. That last episode made me go to school sobbing for Goku. I thought I could like the original DB after that, so I went after it in manga and, yup, loved it. The origin of it all, more of Kid Goku... I didn't ever rewatch DBZ after that but... maybe it's time for that now? Anyway, in short: It's not about the series itself. It's about us, our journey, and how well it fits in there. Amazing video Super Eyepatch Wolf. Thank you.
@1mol831
@1mol831 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t enjoy these shows because they’re a bit too looong
@imotogoon9168
@imotogoon9168 3 жыл бұрын
Man I guess I’m alone on this but I liked GT 😂
@JangoUnchained98
@JangoUnchained98 3 жыл бұрын
Not on your own, I like GT too.
@anthonybanz9132
@anthonybanz9132 3 жыл бұрын
Yall the only 2
@1ktharris
@1ktharris 3 жыл бұрын
Nahh you not I like it too
@blue_wolfproductions12
@blue_wolfproductions12 2 жыл бұрын
Better than Super. That's for damn sure.
@josephjoestar5444
@josephjoestar5444 2 жыл бұрын
I fuck with GT 👌🏾
@johnedelmann6711
@johnedelmann6711 4 жыл бұрын
The first 17 minutes: bash GT constantly The last 2 minutes: "You might like it."
@subwaysurfer5378
@subwaysurfer5378 4 жыл бұрын
Those are possibilities. Gt only has minor good things of it
@Aeonitsu
@Aeonitsu 3 жыл бұрын
thanks man you just saved me 15 minutes of my life
@Natoursofcourse
@Natoursofcourse 3 жыл бұрын
@@Aeonitsu watch the whole video dude. Theres a lot of important stuff he says and its kinda rudebto brush off something so personal.
@OMEGAg935
@OMEGAg935 3 жыл бұрын
LMAOOOOOOOOO
@Triskelion345
@Triskelion345 3 жыл бұрын
@@Natoursofcourse the whole video is just rant 😅🤣🤣😂😂
@user-zx4vb3hh4q
@user-zx4vb3hh4q 3 жыл бұрын
GT got sooooo many backlashes in Japan to the point that there was a rumor that GT stood for" Gomennasai Toriyama-san" meaning "I'm sorry Mr.Toriyama"
@etam8099
@etam8099 3 жыл бұрын
what?!
@burnttoast.2017
@burnttoast.2017 3 жыл бұрын
Weird that ssj4 seems to be more popular than blue there then
@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440
@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 3 жыл бұрын
@@burnttoast.2017 because ssj4 isn't just resigned super sayain and actual effort was put in character design.
@burnttoast.2017
@burnttoast.2017 3 жыл бұрын
@@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 at least the aura is unique, though.
@jantheking7028
@jantheking7028 3 жыл бұрын
@@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 SSJ4 popularity has nothing to do with design. UI and MUI are more popular than SSJ4 in Japan (and I think in the US as well) yet UI design is simple. There is more to form than just a design, and SSJ2 and UI shows that. Trash forms like those fanmade SSj5 forms can have a unique cool looking design, but that alone doesn't make them good forms.
@OtakuUnitedStudio
@OtakuUnitedStudio 3 жыл бұрын
Two things to keep in mind, everyone: Taste is subjective, and what one person hates another may love. This doesn't make either of you wrong, or delusional, or imply that one of you is fair while the other isn't. It's a difference of opinion, and nothing else. Don't let someone else's dislike of something you enjoy make you feel like you are being invalidated, and don't try to invalidate others for disagreeing with you. In short: don't take it personally. No one is "right" or "wrong." Just because you love something doesn't mean you can't look at it through a critical lens and identify its flaws, and just because you are critical of something doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed. In fact, being able to identify what is good and bad about something can actually make it MORE enjoyable, and fine tuning it to be even better is way easier when you know what should change and what should stay the same.
@blackestmamba
@blackestmamba 2 жыл бұрын
As a kid, GT was what got me into dragonball so it was, in hindsight, a clever idea for them to make it more kid friendly because it captivated a new audience. Also, the opening music in my country was catchy as all hell, everyone from my generation knows the song from beginning to end
@lifeloverNorris
@lifeloverNorris 5 жыл бұрын
Goku didn't turn SSJ4 because his tail got pulled out. That was only the catalyst. He turned after he sees Pan crying in his hand. I think SSJ4 transformation is brilliant, as it pay massive homage to ape as the purest form of a Super Saiyan, and I also think Baby as a villain is underrated. He has actual legit motivation of what he's doing, not just evil or want to conquer the planet, but revenge against what Saiyans actually did, and he effectively took control of Earth and essentially achieved his goal in reviving his planet and its inhabitants. GT has many issues, but I still like it.
@Igyzone
@Igyzone 5 жыл бұрын
I wish the transformation part was true, but we all saw how Vegeta got his SS4 form. It's like when someone struggles af to gain some worth and then another person literaly using cheat codes.
@evanrussell9946
@evanrussell9946 5 жыл бұрын
The SS4 transformation should've been the God form.
@mariohurtado4275
@mariohurtado4275 5 жыл бұрын
@@evanrussell9946 totally, do you remember when the movie was a couple months away and a gold ssj 4 was leaked as the god form??? Man, i was so excited and then we got... ehm...yeah.
@RichHomieGon
@RichHomieGon 5 жыл бұрын
Igyzone ok but that's how Dragonball is in general. Goten and trunks didn't go through hell to transform but they still got it. Hell they even got ssj 3 just by doing a dance. And as for Vegeta, though he did go through hell to unlock ssj. Originally it was stated you needed to be pure of heart meaning nimbus cloud-level good saiyan which made sense that Goku was the only one bc saiyans are assholes. But since Vegeta obviously has to become a ssj one way or another, they pulled some pure-evil bullshit which defeats the purpose of being a pure saiyan. This is how dragonball is in general and nostalgia is the only reason we praise dbz for it while hating on gt. Fans wanna see as many super saiyan transformations as possible even fan-arting weaklings like Nappa and Raditz. The writers are just giving us what we want which means they gotta break their own rules sometimes
@RichHomieGon
@RichHomieGon 5 жыл бұрын
lifeloverNorris thank you for this comment cause I was bout to say the same thing. This is a good video but the bias is clear. He reached deep to find significant meaning in dbz while intentionally highlighting the shallowest parts of gt. How could you not see beauty in Goku struggling against literally everyone he loves who have turned on him while he has to fight his rival then transforming into the ape that kilt his grandfather while holding his granddaughter who shows him a pic of his family all together and helps him gain control of the form to compress the power into a unique ssj4 form. If he tried he could've even found meaning in 17 and omega shenron. No mention of how 18 and 17 battled it out and the weight 17 turning evil held. And you don't even have to try to dive deep for omega. Literally the entire series consists of people using the balls for their own selfish reasons starting with Bulma wanting a damn bf. Now they're having to face consequences in the form of an all-powerful being. And they learn to be more responsible with the balls. Gt has its obvious flaws and could've been handled MUCH better but this was not an objective analysis in anyway. I haven't watched the show in 5-6years and I easily just found significance off the top of my head and could make even stronger points if I actually went back through it. No excuse for him to not put more effort into showing both sides
@Iamwolf134
@Iamwolf134 4 жыл бұрын
It honestly feels more like GT is deserving of a retelling, if you will.
@idioticeskimoe5149
@idioticeskimoe5149 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It could make the Baby arc more streamlined, Improve the Super 17 arc, and perfect the Omega Shenron arc so that it could actually be less divisive.
@jueezzzz
@jueezzzz 3 жыл бұрын
@@idioticeskimoe5149 and make a better design for that trash heap Super 17
@jantheking7028
@jantheking7028 3 жыл бұрын
@@idioticeskimoe5149 Nope, destroy the Super 17 arc and the Omega Shenron, those were inherently trash and cannot be fixed, but they DEFINITELY need to adapt the Baby arc into DBS or into a movie or something. So much potential in that arc.
@iamhungey12345
@iamhungey12345 3 жыл бұрын
The shadow dragons arc is a good idea since there has to be a consequence for having to overuse the dragon balls because some people couldn't stay alive for more than 5 minutes.
@Iamwolf134
@Iamwolf134 3 жыл бұрын
I myself am thinking of having 17 go up against super 17, or some other scenario.
@theguy4319
@theguy4319 3 жыл бұрын
I feel the same, Dragon Ball was over when Cell/Buu saga ended, now even if there was great well-written sequel to this series, it just would not be Dragon Ball anymore.
@andrewgibson8905
@andrewgibson8905 3 жыл бұрын
Boruto makes GT look like a masterpiece.
@flakimboo
@flakimboo 2 жыл бұрын
not anymore luckily
@DarkHeroCC
@DarkHeroCC 5 жыл бұрын
Regardless of what GT was, the ending of the series always felt perfect to me and I can’t for te life of me not cry watching it.
@hyperrunner8531
@hyperrunner8531 5 жыл бұрын
Despite most of the last arc being only half decent, the last 3 episodes of GT were actually the strongest 3 episodes I've ever watched in the franchise, it will always be THE perfect ending to the entire dragonball franchise.
@SheltonPiresPires165
@SheltonPiresPires165 5 жыл бұрын
Gt's ending is the best hands down
@yashchamria
@yashchamria 5 жыл бұрын
that ending always gets me
@seanblack1320
@seanblack1320 5 жыл бұрын
Im upset that with super officially making gt noncanon, that it means that ending also is noncanon.
@SheltonPiresPires165
@SheltonPiresPires165 5 жыл бұрын
@@seanblack1320 not necessarily you know that different timelines exist in the db lore so GT can still be canon but a different continuity
@vagrxncy499
@vagrxncy499 4 жыл бұрын
"The long awaited sequel to dragon ball z...." Dbz ended in January, GT started in February...that's not THAT long
@isaahmed5644
@isaahmed5644 4 жыл бұрын
He was in the hyberbolic time chamber
@Jose-se9pu
@Jose-se9pu 3 жыл бұрын
Literally a week after
@sunxnes
@sunxnes 3 жыл бұрын
That's because this guy was born in 96. He was a fetus when this show came out.
@Bellyofthebeast6
@Bellyofthebeast6 3 жыл бұрын
Originally, yes, but for the English dub there were two years between Z and GT. In the early 2000's most kids were watching their anime on TV, not subbed online. If he watched it as a kid he'd remember that two year gap.
@noodlz.mp4819
@noodlz.mp4819 3 жыл бұрын
manga wise it was a decently long wait
@ibitejawbreakers61
@ibitejawbreakers61 2 жыл бұрын
Weirdly enough the first arc of GT is what I come back to more than anything else Dragon Ball. It's just a good vibe.
@matthewbreytenbach4483
@matthewbreytenbach4483 2 жыл бұрын
It was good stuff.
@rosePetrichor
@rosePetrichor 3 жыл бұрын
What's weird is that despite all this, GT seems to have more respect for the lore and history of Toriyama's world than, well, Toriyama himself, who freely admits he writes in the moment. A lot of GT's concepts have ties to earlier parts of Z or DB in quite nice ways. The Shadow Dragons being borne of old wishes, Baby being a member of the Tuffles who were mentioned by King Kai way back in the Saiyan arc, Super 17, and then the ending sequence where Goku visits all his friends one last time, which is remarkably touching and does feel like there was some real heart behind it.
@ItsNerfOrNathan
@ItsNerfOrNathan 5 жыл бұрын
GT, while being respectfully awful, has some of the best concepts and designs in Dragon Ball history.
@dudecool7915
@dudecool7915 4 жыл бұрын
Like SS4, and.........
@ALocalClown
@ALocalClown 4 жыл бұрын
@@dudecool7915 Space hunt for the Dragon Balls, mind controlling villain which turns the heroes into villains (a nice way to get around the 'heroes are too strong' problem), shadow dragons (consequences for using the d-balls too much), the ending of the series (goku going with shenlong), as well as tons of fun slice of life and one-off villains in between. GT's execution was hot trash, but the actual concepts in the show were brimming with potential.
@TheTitansFather
@TheTitansFather 4 жыл бұрын
Mullets, lots of mullets
@DistortedV12
@DistortedV12 4 жыл бұрын
Better designs than super imho
@AZCaveMan480
@AZCaveMan480 4 жыл бұрын
You can polish a turd, but it's still a piece of shit.
@leafyfeathers
@leafyfeathers 4 жыл бұрын
I’m going to be real with you. I actually cried when Piccolo died.
@zanthonyhill8818
@zanthonyhill8818 4 жыл бұрын
Again?
@Disbelief_
@Disbelief_ 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@fedupN
@fedupN 4 жыл бұрын
Piccolo is best Dad.
@mariobadia4553
@mariobadia4553 4 жыл бұрын
I hated the fact that Piccolo wanted to stay in hell for some goddamn reason.......
@samuraipunk2639
@samuraipunk2639 4 жыл бұрын
same here
@maazamin7884
@maazamin7884 3 жыл бұрын
Jokes on you Toriyama designed Vegeta with a new haircut and mustache
@jeremiahmay6936
@jeremiahmay6936 3 жыл бұрын
I remember before GT got an english dub, it was like a myth. Almost mystic. Seeing screenshots of SSJ4 Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta. I remember being really excited for it to get dubbed for the states. Then the disappointment of the first half of the series when it started dropping on VHS. I've always felt its well worth watching from the Baby arch on.
@DBZMacky
@DBZMacky 5 жыл бұрын
Dragon Ball GT really wasn't that bad. It's just a meme. Dragon Ball Evolution on the other hand...
@El_Andru
@El_Andru 5 жыл бұрын
I think Dragon Ball GT is worse than Evolution, because it's dissapointing. Evolutions is bad/awful yeah fuck it. Most of us dont even take into consideration, just as like the CDI Zelda games. But GT looks good, it was following DBZ, but was the first major dissapointment after a great series. Its just bland, but it doesnt look like (the style/design is amazing). This man said it himself "I wanted this to be good" Its dissapointing.
@thebatman6423
@thebatman6423 5 жыл бұрын
@@El_Andru i think super is more worse than gt
@MrConredsX
@MrConredsX 5 жыл бұрын
Super is much worse than GT
@johnhurley8918
@johnhurley8918 5 жыл бұрын
*Super
@majinbuddha5392
@majinbuddha5392 5 жыл бұрын
@@thebatman6423 you must be some dumb kid
@schmedia2537
@schmedia2537 4 жыл бұрын
Well it's pretty obvious GT was trying to be more like Dragonball, not Dragonball Z
@godhimself5260
@godhimself5260 4 жыл бұрын
You clearly didn’t watch Dragonball or GT if you think GT is trying to be like Dragonball
@AzureKite
@AzureKite 4 жыл бұрын
@@godhimself5260 they literally de-aged Goku so they could have him be a kid just like in DB lol
4 жыл бұрын
strvtos facts!
@williamcronshaw5262
@williamcronshaw5262 4 жыл бұрын
@@godhimself5260 The first arc was clearly trying to be more like Dragon Ball than Dragon Ball Z, but fan backlash was extreme so they then went back to a more Z style show once Baby showed up.
@ADHadh
@ADHadh 4 жыл бұрын
I loved original Dragon Ball and I saw the similarities immediately. And I liked GT. After Buu saga the DBZ fatigue was real. The cast going into a space adventure and actually looking for the Dragon Balls was refreshing after yet another "evil thing with multiple forms and Goku goes through another SSJ transformation".
@Annmjpg
@Annmjpg 2 жыл бұрын
I hope I’m not the only one who rewatches eyepatch wolf video’s because they are great background noise while I draw these characters.
@vittoriobaky
@vittoriobaky 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual, but I think more needed to be said about the first part of GT closely mimicking the original DB series because that is basically a story of the whole of GT - and, to an extent, Super too now. As popular as Z was, especially in the USA, the original DB was vastly successful in Japan already, and it was doing waves in Europe long before Z debuted there. Toei's plan was to capture both the original fans, the Z fans, and indeed a fresh new audience as well with a soft reboot. They brought back an old villain who used some cursed dragon balls. They recreated the Goku - Yamcha - Bulma dynamic (but without the sexual innuendos, obviously) with child Goku, Pan and Trunks. Instead of visiting small towns to find a dragon ball, they now visited foreign planets. Instead of having these small stories on Earth with minor villains and "puzzles" to solve, they did this in space. It's a giant Dragon Ball homage, which then eventually turns into a Z one. And ultimately, this is GT's biggest weakness for me. All they did is reuse ideas for a quick buck. Even Baby, as fun as it was as an arc, is just a mixture of ideas from Cell and Buu especially. A new Super Saiyan level, again. Goku goes back to ape, again. C17 is back for some reason, again. Oh, and see is Cell and Frieza in that arc, because of course. The Baby saga even rehashed the evil Vegeta plotline from the Buu saga, for good measure. GT was a purely commercial attempt with as many risks attached as possible. I think there's a lot of things to save about it, and in a vacuum it's enjoyable. But it's also true that a lot of its inconsequential plotlines, dubious development and such can be witnessed in Z as well, where from che Cell saga onwards (and the Buu one especially) it becomes clear how Toriyama and most likely the execs were chasing popularity contests and merch rather than a good story. Which explains why Cell had to be made and quickly transformed as opposed to the android saga continuing, why Gohan was built up as the new lead in the Cell saga only to be cast aside by Buu, and so on. As enjoyable and nostalgic all series of Dragon Ball are, it's very evident how over half of Z already was Toriyama dragging his foot along, trying to please fans without really having any proper idea as to where to go, instead inventing new SSJ levels (completely obliterating the point of the original concept), new transformations for villains, and relegating all side characters as time wasters before Goku comes in to save the day. GT is a continuation of this, just without even Toriyama. The results are evident, but I'd lie if I said that parts of GT aren't fun. In fact, I say most of it is solid. Except Super C17, that arc had nothing to say and was just a quick way to pull a "remember C17?" on us, with a meme level cameo by Cell and Frieza for good measure. Which, by the way, was already being done by OAVs, where these former formidable villains became slapstick comedy characters to push aside when needed, so no surprise GT followed those footsteps too.
@tabulldog2743
@tabulldog2743 4 жыл бұрын
Dragon Ball GT is the living definition of "Great concepts, poor execution." I'm not gonna say that all of it was terrible, because there were a lot of awesome things about it (Super Saiyan 4 is bad-ass) but there were a lot of bad things that kept it from being great, like Goku getting turned into a kid, the rest of the Z-Fighters becoming even more irrelevant, and the next generation kids getting completely ignored.
@martyshrekster
@martyshrekster 4 жыл бұрын
The kids thing continues to be a letdown in Super. Not to mention they actually make Goten and Trunks WANT to fight, but they end up getting sidelined in every single arc. Also Trunks is the same age that Future Trunks was when he first went Super Saiyan now, but still looks 8.
@Chimpbot
@Chimpbot 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, most of these complaints can be said about Super, as well. The series doubled down on focusing everything on Goku and Vegeta for most of it's run (something the Super manga is still continuing to do), and most of the series is spent focusing on the rather dull Super Saiyan Blue/SSGSS. GT had plenty of great ideas, but the execution wasn't always the best. You could say the same about Super, too.
@Icanonlycountto4
@Icanonlycountto4 4 жыл бұрын
The dragonballs becoming bad guys with power levels based on the number of stars was genius imo
@williamcronshaw5262
@williamcronshaw5262 4 жыл бұрын
@@Chimpbot If it weren't for the Goku Black saga, I would actually call Super worse than GT. And even that is almost totally ruined by the ending.
@j.r09160
@j.r09160 4 жыл бұрын
Your opening sentence hits hard bruh. GT had so much damn potential its frustrating
@TheAwesomeDarkNinja
@TheAwesomeDarkNinja 5 жыл бұрын
I think Super Saiyan 4 is one of the best designed Dragon Ball transformations.
@rolan5948
@rolan5948 5 жыл бұрын
It’s a perfect transformation imo. FAAAAR better than any of the garbage Toriyama shitted out of his ass in super
@RyogaEchizen
@RyogaEchizen 5 жыл бұрын
@@rolan5948colored morons....like power rangers lol
@hiramsiqueiros9018
@hiramsiqueiros9018 5 жыл бұрын
i think ssj4 is the pinnacle of sayan transformations, it irradiates brute strenght and the imposing power the sayans are so proud of.
@Odinsday
@Odinsday 5 жыл бұрын
It's one of the greatest Dragon Ball designs period. It combined the dramatic power of the Saiyan race with a calm and peaceful mind. The design is striking, yet kind of beautiful. Better than SSJB.
@lingo8190
@lingo8190 5 жыл бұрын
I wish the design for super saiyan blue was super saiyan 4's tbh
@SSmotzer
@SSmotzer 2 жыл бұрын
This really does put into perspective of where Super is going. Goku coming to terms that he has plateaued in power, and the only way to get stronger is to either give up his body to an angelic force that puppets his body around, taking away all enjoyment he got from fighting, or sign up for an eternal job as the God of Destruction, limiting the fights he could have to the timetable of the gods. With Goku showing a newfound apathy when it comes to the fighting in the latest manga chapters. Where Vegeta, realizing that there are forces that are beyond his strength that could effortlessly destroy him, his home, his planet, his timeline, his entire plane of existence, and, most importantly, his family, with him taking up a quest to become strong enough to defy the will of the gods in order to protect his family at all costs.
@nextgennolan
@nextgennolan 2 жыл бұрын
2022 comment here, I think it’s strange going back to this video because a lot of the problems he brings up in regards to the fights can be applied to the recent fights in the dbs manga. In the granolah arc there’s really no story or message that’s being told in the fights, at least not with gas. It just, “here’s a new enemy, Goku and vegeta have to beat him up”, and there’s really nothing getting us invested in what the fight means.
@InvntdXNEWROMAN
@InvntdXNEWROMAN 5 жыл бұрын
Was GT bad? Of course. Did it have some pretty cool moments? Hell yeah.
@MajinErick
@MajinErick 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was bad. I think there was a lot of forward thinking going on; SSJ4, The Black Star Dragon Balls that no one ever knew but Pilaf, etc. The Nameless Namekian (Fused Kame and Picollo) made those balls...and what's interesting...in the current timeline, he mentions nothing about them for a good reason. The fact that Uub exists confirms GT.
@adolfdrippler243
@adolfdrippler243 4 жыл бұрын
Kyle Gruber yeah it wasn’t bad. People just hate it because it wasn’t “canon”
@tabulldog2743
@tabulldog2743 4 жыл бұрын
completely agree
@itsyaboixeno1h605
@itsyaboixeno1h605 4 жыл бұрын
I liked gt alot
@jonathansandoval9885
@jonathansandoval9885 4 жыл бұрын
Kyle Gruber no. Not at all.
@PrinceMallow
@PrinceMallow 5 жыл бұрын
I will say this much about GT, "Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku" is probably my favorite opening in the DB series.
@ty90xx
@ty90xx 5 жыл бұрын
Tomokocchi Hold my haaaaaaaaaaaaannnddd!
@hypercumstone44
@hypercumstone44 5 жыл бұрын
Tomokocchi a good Soundtrack won‘t make the show good either
@shecklesmack9563
@shecklesmack9563 5 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget “Don’t You See”, one of the ending themes. I can’t hear it with being hit directly in the feels.
@joxyver
@joxyver 5 жыл бұрын
Tomokocchi You mean that one song that someone used to make a Dragonball tribute AMV that featured a lot of scenes from Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Dragonball super, and Dragonball GT and made it look like that Dragonball was forever over and made me cry like a bitch and appreciate how much of a great series it is despite GT? Yeah that song is great.
@TheRealGlooper
@TheRealGlooper 3 жыл бұрын
You gotta be honest, "I don't wanna be reminded of that face" was funny as hell.
@seelcudoom1
@seelcudoom1 3 жыл бұрын
imagine if Babys story had some personal stakes, imagine if it was a story of hatred and revenge, baby is quite literally a child born to fulfill his fathers grudge, you could give Vegeta personal stakes by revealing one of his earliest missions was to take part in the genocide, or at least the clean up of the stragglers, his past come back to haunt him, and also have baby posses Goku instead of Vegeta was the one to fight him, and when he beats him down instead of finishing him he tells him to get back up, baby just gets angrier taking this as Vegeta toying with him and it repeats, Vegeta keeps beating him down but refusing to finish him, over and over till Baby can no longer muster any more rage and just gives up, laying there sobbing for a planet and people he lost, apologizing for his failure to avenge them, Vegeta of course knows that feeling all to well, he offers him a hand to help sit him up, the same mercy and second chance Goku offered Vegeta so long ago, the same mercy offered to so many villains to prideful to take it, and he talks to him explains how alike they truly are, the loss of planet Vegeta, the shattering of his pride, and rebuilding his life better and happier then he ever had perceiving revenge and carnage and suggests Baby gives it a try, before kneeling to him and saying that though he can not let Baby harm earth , he would happily give his own life, for both the crimes he committed and as its prince accepting responsibility for the crimes of the entire Saiyan race, and Baby of course takes Vegetas words to heart and refuses, it dident feel right anymore, this was not the vile egotistical prince he sought revenge on, he exits his possessed body and chooses to live on earth, to see what so great about this little ball of dirt that made the cruel prideful prince he remembered become so humble and kind plus it would allow "baby" to become a power up as he can attach himself to the heroes when needed, one earned threw emotional growth rather then physical
@dinogt8477
@dinogt8477 3 жыл бұрын
the writers didnt plan well unfortunately gt could have been the best out of dragon, z and super
@orlandofurioso7329
@orlandofurioso7329 11 ай бұрын
Babu hated King Vegeta and wanted to end his legacy, i don't know how much more personal you can make that
@SherMoLang
@SherMoLang 3 жыл бұрын
I really love GT for what it was a "Dragon Ball" tribute. The ending where krilin and goku fight on the beach is one of the most "comes full circle" ending I've ever watch. To these days I still considers GT as one of the most satisfying ending ever.
@dinogt8477
@dinogt8477 3 жыл бұрын
Ye it rlly was a great ending
@kairosian4241
@kairosian4241 3 жыл бұрын
Bad ending, Vegeta is an old man and everyone is super weak. Didn't feel like there was even a legacy. 'goku/vegeta jr' thing is so laughably a fanfic ass concept. Uub was slept on the whole time. It was definitely narrative bound to its time, holds weaker than Boruto.
@SherMoLang
@SherMoLang 3 жыл бұрын
@@kairosian4241 well all of us will eventually gets old so I don't see a problem with that lol. That Goku/Vegeta jr is where I agree with you but seeing Goku merging with Shenron is fine because at the end of the day the main story of Dragon Ball is about a young boy finding the seven dragon balls.
@jantheking7028
@jantheking7028 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who vastly prefers DBS to DBGT, even I can admit that it will be almost IMPOSSIBLE for DBS to have a better ending than DBGT unless they just completely copy and paste the DBGT ending.
@ProGamer-hg3mb
@ProGamer-hg3mb 3 жыл бұрын
@@jantheking7028 Technically the DBS ending is the peaceful world saga of DBZ
@AkuTenshiiZero
@AkuTenshiiZero 5 жыл бұрын
"...Walking power levels." Man, it's a good thing they never made THAT mistake again! _[Laughs to hide the pain]_
@sammylong3704
@sammylong3704 3 жыл бұрын
I'll be honest, I loved DBZ but I feel that after the Namek/Frieza saga, each new saga got progressively weaker than the last. So for me GT fit the trajectory the show was going, even if the nose dive was more drastic than it had ever been in DBZ.
@zurielsss
@zurielsss 4 ай бұрын
It’s because Toriyama wanted to end after Frieza, but DBZ got so big that the editors, anime studios and merchandise all pressured him to keep going on. He also wanted it to end after cell, handing things down to Gohan and staying in the other world. But same pressure and he finally ended it after Buu
@lazyeight4090
@lazyeight4090 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the first part of GT, It really made me happy because i started watching DB while DBZ Kai was airing, like right before trunks comes in. I loved seeing the old goku because i had basically just seen DB and cried about Eighter, It was like a continuation of the DB with elements of Z.
@smoshcool12
@smoshcool12 5 жыл бұрын
Lets be real though SSJ4 is way cooler than Super Saiyan Blue
@sammay6893
@sammay6893 5 жыл бұрын
No
@David-jw7ib
@David-jw7ib 5 жыл бұрын
Ok fine SSJ4 is better BUT GT is still trash.
@kellz1703
@kellz1703 5 жыл бұрын
David Marriott it’s bad but super is just as bad
@VixXstazosJOB
@VixXstazosJOB 5 жыл бұрын
@@li-limandragon9287 SSB makes sense when irl the color Blue is related to divinty though
@thotslayergoku9914
@thotslayergoku9914 5 жыл бұрын
I Prefer SSJ Fornite Streamer to SSJ Furry
@airdren4592
@airdren4592 5 жыл бұрын
Gt’s ending though 11/10
@taskforcekillah9722
@taskforcekillah9722 5 жыл бұрын
TechnoGamer better than super's for sure
@sumthintuf3648
@sumthintuf3648 5 жыл бұрын
TechnoGamer hell yea
@bangers4039
@bangers4039 5 жыл бұрын
TaskForceKillah no no no no no
@lessthanpinochet
@lessthanpinochet 5 жыл бұрын
@@taskforcekillah9722 Absolutely.
@gangstagummybear3432
@gangstagummybear3432 5 жыл бұрын
It's not because it ended the ability for anyone to add to the story any further, look at the ages of the characters at the end of gt; the time skip killed very young characters and partial aliens, that's stupid; they could have redeemed gohan, goten, and trunks with a new expansion portion of dragon ball led by them. Terrible ending
@s_anandsurya
@s_anandsurya 4 ай бұрын
As someone who’s never seen Dragon ball. And only completed Z through low quality real media player files. I loved GT.
@marjoken246
@marjoken246 3 жыл бұрын
“If you loved Dragonball you likely wanted to like GT” That’s exactly what happened 👏🏾👏🏾
@ZERARCHIVE2023
@ZERARCHIVE2023 4 жыл бұрын
GT just try to remind us that Dragon Ball is an ADVENTURE.
@santinafryer5779
@santinafryer5779 4 жыл бұрын
Your right
@raidenthekat2444
@raidenthekat2444 4 жыл бұрын
I also felt that vibe from it. You can see they wanted to take Goku back to his child form, probably to make it easier for quirky adventures.
@NeutralGuyDoubleZero
@NeutralGuyDoubleZero 4 жыл бұрын
They tried but didnt deliver on that. Most of the charm just wasnt there and it wouldve needed a lead instead of goku for it to work as a fresh take.
@calebb7012
@calebb7012 4 жыл бұрын
This video was terrible. His bias really shows and that he has 0 familiarity with the original Dragon Ball.
@thepants1450
@thepants1450 4 жыл бұрын
@@calebb7012 i like how he also skipped over the buu arc to justify his point lmao
@Ormagoden39
@Ormagoden39 5 жыл бұрын
I've said it before, I've said a million times, and I'll say it again. Dragon Ball GT. Great concepts. Terrible execution.
@josephkuforiji9407
@josephkuforiji9407 5 жыл бұрын
Yup
@aredjayc2858
@aredjayc2858 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@briangarcia1975
@briangarcia1975 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@oszeek
@oszeek 5 жыл бұрын
I’d say GT had good concepts with mediocre execution. It wasn’t fantastic, but it was enjoyable.
@saiyan_og9678
@saiyan_og9678 5 жыл бұрын
Ormagoden39 Agree 100%
@Reed5016
@Reed5016 Жыл бұрын
I had a lot of hope for Pan going into GT. A ridiculous amount of hope, to be honest. I thought she would be a cool character, with a badass character arc, perhaps like a fusion between Videl, and Gohan. Being spunky like Videl initially was, and a smart and strong fighter like Gohan was. Perhaps mixed in with a bit of Goku’s goofiness. I honestly have no idea why I hoped for that, as 18 was pretty much the only decent female DBZ fighter, and even she got sidelined. Trunks also sucked as a character in GT. I think for him, they should’ve made him similar to Future Trunks, but with a slightly more bratty attitude, as that would be realistic as he grew up with two very stubborn and selfish parents, who’d probably rub off on him, at least a little. While I don’t mind Bulla and Maron being side characters who don’t fight, Pan and Trunks were major let-downs. Hopefully, dragon ball super redeems them, but there’s no promises.
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 3 жыл бұрын
GT fans now a days hate on DBS because Z fans did not like GT but the problem with their biased hate towards Super is that the DBS manga at least has a solid arc in comparison to any GT arc. Better build ups, more exploration and better use of established lore within the franchise
@andresbahamonde1518
@andresbahamonde1518 5 жыл бұрын
Dragon Ball GT: Great Ideas, Bad execution.
@manidavis4126
@manidavis4126 5 жыл бұрын
And amazing opening.
@themilkman5004
@themilkman5004 5 жыл бұрын
Super Saiyan 4 great idea Shadow Dragons great idea
@ThatAnimeSnob
@ThatAnimeSnob 5 жыл бұрын
so... same as Super?
@andresbahamonde1518
@andresbahamonde1518 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAnimeSnob Super: Same ideas, Bad execution
@charlestonho6733
@charlestonho6733 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThatAnimeSnob Super are WAy better than GT you bad taste GTwanker. Even Super movie are 10000% better!
@dandyman5284
@dandyman5284 5 жыл бұрын
The video: GT was bad and here are my thoughts on why it was The comments: but super tho
@ThomasReesbeck
@ThomasReesbeck 5 жыл бұрын
What about Dragon Ball Absalon (Fan made) that takes the GT story line to an even better place? kzfaq.info
@ItsSomeDeadGuy
@ItsSomeDeadGuy 5 жыл бұрын
Except he literally says that he likes it now at the end of the video... so...?
@dandyman5284
@dandyman5284 5 жыл бұрын
Thomas Reesbeck i mean i’ll check it out, dont really have an opinion on it (yet)
@dandyman5284
@dandyman5284 5 жыл бұрын
ItsSomeDeadGuy so? My comment still stands. Look at the comments its a bunch of guys going “but super is worse” like that somehow makes GT better. Just because the video ends with his opinion changed doesn’t change the comments. Super is not what is being discussed yet it is brought up like it somehow changes everything. The discussion should be on GT and its achievements and faults.
@pizzahighfive2612
@pizzahighfive2612 5 жыл бұрын
Because GT was the worst, until Super showed up... now DbSuper is what we shit on. GT you not that bad now..
@Divine_Finger_er
@Divine_Finger_er 3 жыл бұрын
I still remember watching the very last episode of GT ( didn't know it would actually be the last) I saw "The End" pop up after the episode ended, and my heart sunk and I sat there for like 10 minutes thinking," is this really the end? This is a joke right?" I felt crushed that my favorite show finally ended. As years went by i realized it really was over At the end of the day though GT wasn'tnt THAT bad, for instance it really made saiyans feel like saiyans again by bringing back his tail, thats just one of many there's a lot of elements people missed but GT really stuck to the Lore of the series, way more then what Dragon ball super does And the final boss being all the dragons was genius if you really think about it The one thing that always got them out of trouble for years and years was now the thing that could destroy them all
@jungtao2948
@jungtao2948 3 жыл бұрын
Man i had the exact same thing, I got all teared up!
@thomasfeehan826
@thomasfeehan826 3 жыл бұрын
bro your videos about dbz and growing up are so true to me that while watching and listening i was trying not to tear up. this show was so much to me growing up i want to go back to it but just feel im past the point of returning, while it is no longer what i need, dbz made me who i am today.
@avadoksorem2854
@avadoksorem2854 4 жыл бұрын
You seem to be forgetting that the regrowth of Goku’s tail was not for him to reach SS4. It was so his ki levels could stay stable in Super Saiyan 3. The unexpected ascension in Super Saiyan 4 was something no one saw coming.
@mohamedhussam1199
@mohamedhussam1199 3 жыл бұрын
In DBZ Gohan increased his strength by literally staring go an old alien while he keep reading pervy manga lol
@ekki1993
@ekki1993 3 жыл бұрын
@@mohamedhussam1199 Most of the problems pointed out in GT can be seen in the Buu arc (subpar villain motivation, no buildup powerups for mystic gohan and ssj3 goku, etc.), but that's also the reason most people think it's the worst arc in DBZ. GT amplified those problems so it's only natural DBZ fans liked it even less.
@SapphireMan08
@SapphireMan08 3 жыл бұрын
Doesnt make it any less dumb?
@etam8099
@etam8099 3 жыл бұрын
@@ekki1993 what was Cell's motivation tho? And Frieza with the generic "i wanna conquer the universe" bullcrap?
@ekki1993
@ekki1993 3 жыл бұрын
@@etam8099 All of the villain's motivations are very badly developed from DBZ onwards (hence I said subpar, not just "bad"). It's not a high bar but some of GT's villains (and Buu) manage to be subpar even with the low bar.
@nicholaswhorley8343
@nicholaswhorley8343 3 жыл бұрын
I think the thing about GT that stung the most was the complete and final nullification of Gohan as a central character. Basically, Goku was more popular so let's just change him back to a younger form and do it all over again. It sucks even though I don't like Gohan's basic character traits Gohan could have been something more than a whining powerhouse of a brat if they would have continued on with him beyond Cell and Buu. But, Goku stayed in the limelight and Gohan was basically brushed aside to remain as useless as the other Z fighters.
@etam8099
@etam8099 3 жыл бұрын
Lol Gohan stopped being usefull since the Buu saga so...
@hummenic13
@hummenic13 3 жыл бұрын
Just wait till you discover super
@rezarfar
@rezarfar 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, that had happened by Buu Saga anyway. By the end of Buu, it was quite clear that only Goku and Vegeta mattered and everyone else was just fodder until one of those two shows up.
@nicholaswhorley8343
@nicholaswhorley8343 3 жыл бұрын
@@rezarfar Kind of. Gohan initially was defeating Buu, without even a hint of trouble, until he got cocky and was absorbed. So until that moment his new mystic form was actually a front runner and more powerful than SSJ3 for any other fighters. His power still increased later and was able to contend not only with SSJ Blue Goku *until Kaioken multupliter was used* but also was one of the only warriors able to even touch beerus initially. So, I honestly think that the complete dismissal was in GT rather than Z but it's up for debate it seems. I would have liked to have seen Gohan's attitude progress to something more like that of a mix between Goku and Vegetas. Rage and power of vegeta behind a calm and happy exterior of Goku. But instead they gimped him with self-doubt and lack of confidence even after he grew older and stronger. Sucks.
@rezarfar
@rezarfar 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholaswhorley8343 yeah but after "Super Saiyanman" any progress he go was always going to be superficial and not amount to anything in the end. Which happened to his Mystic Gohan form. At the time i thought that too but you have to realise that Toriyama would have decided what the ending would look like by the time Mystic Gohan showed up, which would mean he really never had any intention of making Gohan amount to anything other that fodder. Mystic Gohan was one of the reasons why the overall story stalled and was ultimately a reason why Buu was the least liked saga in all of DBZ.
@mruchiha0209
@mruchiha0209 3 жыл бұрын
as many times as i’ve seen this video suggested, the misspelling of “happend” never allowed me to click on it. Glad to finally be here 😂
@mastro211
@mastro211 Жыл бұрын
Just want to say - I recognized your voice from fake martial arts clip from years ago and the story telling is amazing. Subscribed and will have to watch more now!
@Nestle245
@Nestle245 5 жыл бұрын
The last episode of GT made viewers love, admire, and respect the Dragon Ball franchise as a whole from day 1. It was perfect how Goku last visited all his friends then became one with the Dragon before he left Earth. His job was finally done, and I loved how they tied events from Dragon Ball and Z in the credits then showing him reappear in the stands of the tournament to watch his descendant and Vegeta's fight one another repeating Goku and Vegeta's rivalry. It was a great ending to our favorite franchise.
@Stuwie-uu3oe
@Stuwie-uu3oe 5 жыл бұрын
Mohammad Sharifi Much like super...
@bennybyers1409
@bennybyers1409 5 жыл бұрын
singular on1 while I appreciated and chuckled at your joke, i have to disagree and say that Super is a lot more in depth than that. God forms really don’t end up being as over centralizing as you might think. Also even by the end of Super, Goku isn’t anywhere near the strongest character in the show
@Stuwie-uu3oe
@Stuwie-uu3oe 5 жыл бұрын
Ben Byers Arguably goku isn’t in gt either as it took the spirit bomb to beat omega which realistically isn’t goku beating him on his own
@rikosp5664
@rikosp5664 5 жыл бұрын
His friends didn't do jack shit in super too? did you watch the tournament of power and the goku black arc?
@kos4793
@kos4793 5 жыл бұрын
@singular on1 goku in super a God! Wtf? AHAHAHAHA Zeus, Odin, Thor, etc.. Etc.. They are god, Goku in super is just a joke who get ass kicked by everyone, and no, there's no gods in dbs, it's just a title.
@CydoniaOS
@CydoniaOS 5 жыл бұрын
Back when I used to watch a lot of classic anime with my brothers, I never realized when watching DB and DBZ that it was a progression of struggle (maybe it was because I saw Z first, then DB six years later) but realizing that epiphany makes me appreciate battle stories a lot more, which is also why I enjoy series like HxH and Ippo so much. They resonate deeply with me, especially when I realize there's things you can struggle towards and you won't end up winning every battle.
@toon_joe5048
@toon_joe5048 5 жыл бұрын
CydoniaOS I was gonna comment something but honestly you just said everything I was gonna say😂
@j.2512
@j.2512 5 жыл бұрын
The original DB was never about progression in strenght. Until maybe the later arc against piccolo. Otherwise it was about traveling to places and meeting funny quirky characters. It was about adventure and humour, fighting was the least of it. GT tried to go back to exactly that.
@juliusjohnson8046
@juliusjohnson8046 5 жыл бұрын
@@j.2512 That's not really true. Goku is always looking to get stronger. Look at the first World Tournament arc. Look at how he goes from a simply disciplined martial artist to learning the Kamehameha within the first 10 episodes. While adventure was a part of the show, Goku's always grown through the series, learning how to cover his weaknesses in battle and find new ways to fight, then getting trained by Roshi and gaining the desire to grow stronger.
@PomadaGaming
@PomadaGaming 3 жыл бұрын
I recently watched the whole 64 and hey,it was a good time. I always heard people talk about GT and i fell to young,so i (probably ilegally) went into a website and in a 1 month span finished it,also writing the story by hand with detail so that i don’t get lost/want to look at it in the future. Overall,i agree with you,the first quarter of GT is pretty much specifically for children,with a few battles here and there,and then the big fights didn’t carry as much as they did in dbz,but it was still dragonball,and the culmination was not a letdown for me.Anyways,awesome video👍.
@zer03d14
@zer03d14 Жыл бұрын
I feel another issue that compounded GT was something that had already set in by the end of Z, we had hit a peek of the stakes, the struggles and what to expect from the formula/progression of the story and characters. Even within the Buu saga the cracks were showing and even as a kid it just felt like we were going from one event to the other with little overall thought (which we know was somewhat true with how villains were getting introduced like the androids back in the Android/Cell sagas). By the end of Z, at least for me, I felt like we had saw the end of Goku's journey but here we were back again with him as protag and I never really felt like we saw any new insights, growth or retrospective on his character going forward so it just becomes a chore to watch. I believe, much like Ash Ketchum, it was a case that Goku was still super popular and in demand so plans changed to keep Goku in the spotlight (or if someone could confirm this is an apocryphal story I'd appreciate that) so I get why but maaaan GT just feels like so much filler after the story was well and truly done with so many potentially interesting characters that could've taken the mantle never given a shot.
@szymps
@szymps 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree with one thing. Baby turned all Goku's friends against him, Goku is part of a race that destroyed Baby's creators. There is a personal conflict betwean those characters
@sammykent5752
@sammykent5752 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!! I don't get how he can literally explain all of Baby's motivations and his actions and in the EXACT SAME BREATH still say his fight with Goku had no emotional or narrative weight behind it. Am I missing something?
@archieelebo2204
@archieelebo2204 4 жыл бұрын
Im guessing you two are kids who have never been in a fight that had meaning. Whether is to overcome a bully or beat that person who you lost to before. When this happened, he had a motive but not a personal thing, his feeling were not his but programmed into him. Thats what personal conflict means, not just two reasons to fight but 2 reasons worth fighting for, reasons you can get behind on either side or hope with your hearth that he can pull through.
@archieelebo2204
@archieelebo2204 4 жыл бұрын
Let me show you with an example too, at the begining of dragon ball, the epic fight between goku. And vegeta lost, his pride was destroyed he spend the next season training becoming more and more stronger and when babidi came he has a chance to beat him and took it no matter the risk, and in this he beats goku and relises at what cost, and relises its not worth it all to turn evil, and gives his life to save the man he just beat, to save him self, and save his pride. What im trying to say is that is must develop the character in some way what development id you see in that fight, none no heart no soul, just a fight.
@archieelebo2204
@archieelebo2204 4 жыл бұрын
😭😭Aww now you got me emotional😭😭 I blame you..for this😭😭
@samoidxx
@samoidxx 4 жыл бұрын
@@archieelebo2204 🤨🤨🤨 What a load of rubbish. So I guess his family and friends who are all under Baby's control aren't worth fighting for? Don't give me that nonsense.
@angelsfoodcake9631
@angelsfoodcake9631 5 жыл бұрын
I like that Frieza and Cell got mentioned and Buu got passed over during the "not just a walking powerlevel" part
@shayner17
@shayner17 5 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, Buu only turned into that after the split between Good and Bad Buu. Before then, Buu actually had a lot of interesting character moments between him and Mr. Satan
@angelsfoodcake9631
@angelsfoodcake9631 5 жыл бұрын
Arguable I think. The real "Buu" was Kid Buu, and he was a walking, screaming, gorilla posing power level. What you're describing is the most diluted version of Buu, where we're seeing that fat Kai's traits come through
@paracetamolgirl7820
@paracetamolgirl7820 5 жыл бұрын
It's probably time to admit that DBZ just wasn't ever that great, honestly. It had its decent and even exceptional moments, but let's be frank: every criticism here can be equally applied to Z. the Dragon Ball series was at its best narratively when it was an offbeat Journey to the West martial arts redux. The increasingly bizarre and frankly stupid curveballs starting with and following the appearance of Raditz have only gotten worse since then.
@Mariobroszx
@Mariobroszx 5 жыл бұрын
Paracetamol Girl naw DBZ has issues, but if we put it into context of its release it’s easy to forgive it (we forget the series is from the 80s). It set a lot of the foundations thematically and still is a solid fun watch.
@paracetamolgirl7820
@paracetamolgirl7820 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mariobroszx I agree -- but it still wasn't that great. First episode was 89 or something, and the last was 96. GT rolled around basically immediately after that, and I can't say that GT was significantly worse than its predecessor. If we give allowances for Z being a product of its time (though -- let's be honest, it's not like there were no well-written series from the 80's and 90's), then GT by extension deserves the same clemency. I still think that GT was bad, but the love of Z and hatred of GT is/was just a mixture of nostalgia and childhood edginess. Dude even admits "it wasn't that bad, actually" after re-watching it. Super, on the other hand.......has no excuse and deserves every bit of flak it gets.
@splatterbrained
@splatterbrained 2 жыл бұрын
Awe man. I loved this series. I always looked forward to new episodes and I have the entire series box set
@BirthquakeRecords
@BirthquakeRecords 2 жыл бұрын
I could only ever get my hands on a few VHS fansub bootlegs of random episodes of GT back in the day, and haven’t seen any episodes since, but I remember thinking it was AWESOME. But then again, I was a kid and it was like 1999 or something, what did I know
@SoulsOfWisdom
@SoulsOfWisdom 4 жыл бұрын
Super Eyepatch Wolf: "In Dragon Ball Z, a transformation marked a big significant moment in the lives of these characters!" Goku: "You can call this a Super Saiyan 2, and this... is to go even further beyond!!! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH"
@gamefreak4529
@gamefreak4529 4 жыл бұрын
true
@frrascon
@frrascon 4 жыл бұрын
LOL. True. Also, Toriyama made a lot of decisions on the fly. Like Cell was not supposed to be the main villain of the Android saga. Also, the Buu saga was a drag by the end.
@TopBurger239
@TopBurger239 4 жыл бұрын
yeah talk about rose tinted glasses.
@photonalchemist6574
@photonalchemist6574 4 жыл бұрын
Ssj3 is the only one that's not the case.
@wellingtonribeiro847
@wellingtonribeiro847 4 жыл бұрын
The video looks like he intetionaly forgot about Buu saga. SSJ3 had no buildup just like he criticise SSJ4, but at least SSJ4 had an amazing first transformation scene. And Buu suffers from no motivation just like Super 17 and Omega Shenrong. For me Buu saga would be totally trash without Majin Vegeta .
@pious83
@pious83 5 жыл бұрын
How Dragonball should have played out: Goku dies in Cell Saga. After an entire series of build up, Gohan defeats Cell and becomes the central protagonist. Goku gets a final epilogue in the Otherworld Tournament Arc. Goku does not return and the series builds on the rest of the cast instead. Continuing the central themes of growth and development through struggle. *The Buu Saga* - Mystic Gohan, after heavily editing the arc, defeats Kid Buu. Dragonball Z ends with Gohan as an adult living upto the legacy of Goku. *Dragonball GT: **_Goten's_** Tale.* With the passing of time, the series revolves around significant character development for Goten & Trunks, alongside a young Pan. *Dragonball: Super* Gohan now being the one humbled by encountering Beerus. Vegeta, the returning hero to defeat the revived Frieza and Goku returns via Otherworld being entered into the Tournament of Power.
@davidhong1934
@davidhong1934 5 жыл бұрын
Also, other characters get an opportunity to do things and not stand in the sidelines commentating or acting as distractions.
@jamainegardner4193
@jamainegardner4193 5 жыл бұрын
neatidea.
@slifer875
@slifer875 5 жыл бұрын
1 i preffer that goku dies against frezzer instead, have trunks take goku's place in the android/cell arc and train gohan (his own teacher in the future) for the three years, give that cell saga sacrifise to trunks instead, saying something to gohan like: "the future is never set on stone, its up to you now" 2 i actually really like goku coming back for 1 day in the buu saga since its a tribute to what grandpa gohan did for him, however he should JUST be a cameo that says hello to gohan and leave... 3 the human character shoud NOT be ignore, if you want have the original plan for the buu arc, have picoloo go majin instead to have a student vs teacher. 4 im not sure gohan even deserves to be the protagonist since he only trained 5 years in his entire life, so have him train the whole 7 years time skip to be more of a martial artist guy... 5 i don't think we need GT and the whole mystic thing was a major aspull, perhaps the biggest asspull in the franchise, so instead of that i would preffer if he learned ultra instinc (NOT the white haired version) 6 if your gonna give gohan a rival make it hit, i don't have good reason other than he was the best part of super....
@AdequateProximityPH
@AdequateProximityPH 5 жыл бұрын
I actually really like that, Gohan Blanco baby
@W01fTamer
@W01fTamer 5 жыл бұрын
"FUCK SUPER SAIYANS, FUCK POWER LEVELS, AND FUCK YOU! KIKOHO!" - Tien to Cell, TFS Dragonball Z Abridged. Lowkey one of my favorite moments. This guy who's been irrelevant to the series' fights for over 150 episodes just says that he's done with this shit and brings Cell, who is significantly stronger than any current Super Saiyan, down to his knees and dozens of feet into the ground, simply because he was beyond pissed at being just a bystander.
@deathbyraspberry804
@deathbyraspberry804 3 жыл бұрын
I literally could barely get through the first episode and never watched past it
@doraeguyakaneddie6586
@doraeguyakaneddie6586 3 жыл бұрын
Super Eyepatch wolf: GT was the long awaited sequel to Z Me: Must have been a long week
@oreganodog
@oreganodog 5 жыл бұрын
Damn. I must be the 1% of people that actually loved and still love GT.
@tribblethesamurai4961
@tribblethesamurai4961 5 жыл бұрын
I love gt
@Blackmanyt04
@Blackmanyt04 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of people still do(including me)
@unholy7324
@unholy7324 5 жыл бұрын
I liked it. I still rewatch it
@spoodsk2
@spoodsk2 4 жыл бұрын
Joining your minority my OriSatan
@rikkiscott9405
@rikkiscott9405 4 жыл бұрын
I love that show and idk why people hate this show and if he hates this he shouldn't bother with super
@sebbysebbseb
@sebbysebbseb 5 жыл бұрын
I liked dragon ball GT :( (second half more so) I thought the ss4 transformations were awesome The Saiyans got their tails back! I like the idea of Sayians getting stronger because of their tails. Its in their blood, its what they ARE. The tail makes them transform. It was a call back to the original Dragon ball and early DBZ about the giant apes. I prefer SS4 and their tails compared to Super Saiyan God and Blue. I actually think God and Blue is silly. They just change their hair colour and their eyes. Its not impressive. SS3 made Goku more ape like, more primal. SS4 makes them even further into a primal beast. IT MAKE SENSE.
@lamborghini320
@lamborghini320 5 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. The only thing that I didnt like in GT, they made Gogeta behave like Vegito. Plays around with a opponent who can wipe the Earth in an instant. And defuse.. but transformations? SS4? Real Power right there.
@PrinceVegeta.6
@PrinceVegeta.6 5 жыл бұрын
💯💯💯
@enei4608
@enei4608 5 жыл бұрын
The thing i hate about ssj4 is that its just a black haired and different costume and human oozaru or just different costume and hair of ssj3 i really hated it it didnt give me the feelingbof watching db
@enei4608
@enei4608 5 жыл бұрын
@@PrinceVegeta.6 I dislike it because its just like 100 powerup or 10k powerup to Goku its almost useless if your fighting someone with 20k power than you but you just get half and you still lose and then ppl will think your form is useless
@PrinceVegeta.6
@PrinceVegeta.6 5 жыл бұрын
Kaito Playz reasonable
@kerry53421
@kerry53421 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and very detailed as to why people hated on it so much. Alot of other videos just bash it for the sake of bashing but you see the good in it. I personally didnt mind watching GT when I was younger. It definately felt different but there was literally no other dragonball z media out there at the time. Dbgt filled that void even if it lacked a lot of the longevity things that made Z so legendary
@MultiChickenFingerz
@MultiChickenFingerz 2 жыл бұрын
I don't get how the lack of buildup for super saiyan 4 is surprising when they brought SSGSS literally out of thin air with nothing in between 💀
@SAGE0FTHEEAST
@SAGE0FTHEEAST 4 жыл бұрын
When it takes you ten years to realize that gt isn't cannon and isn't the creation of toriyama but was crated by toei lol
@gigipetaq
@gigipetaq 4 жыл бұрын
But much better than akira creation they call super
@Octurnal
@Octurnal 4 жыл бұрын
hamzah 27 super is way better than gt 😂😂
@danielmedjedovic7068
@danielmedjedovic7068 4 жыл бұрын
@@Octurnal Super isnt better than GT. Super does make great movies but as series its very bad.
@Octurnal
@Octurnal 4 жыл бұрын
Daniel Medjedovic gt is worse 😂 like 90% of gt was trash, only thing people like about GT are, ss4 and omega, the shadow dragon arc was so fucking bad 😂, the black star arc was a joke, super 17 was ok
@danielmedjedovic7068
@danielmedjedovic7068 4 жыл бұрын
@@Octurnal black star arc was meh, it was a silly adventure. Baby saga was amazing, shadow dragons arc was amazing by concept but was okay at most. Super has no good arc. Goku black arc was okay but it was a mess, they had no idea how it would end. Super only better with fighting but story wise GT is better.
@denn2ya
@denn2ya 5 жыл бұрын
I loved the Brazilian op song. It's seriously heartwarming and marked part of my infancy, I know all the words till today.
@nobyra
@nobyra 5 жыл бұрын
Me de a mãoo pra fugir desta terrível escuridãaaaao Da até calafrios
@jesuscristo6854
@jesuscristo6854 5 жыл бұрын
Seu sorriso é tão resplandecente!
@thisisnoplaceforahorse872
@thisisnoplaceforahorse872 5 жыл бұрын
Taco
@GustavoHenrique-fz1yd
@GustavoHenrique-fz1yd 5 жыл бұрын
A opening era ótima mesmo.
@vivamexico254
@vivamexico254 5 жыл бұрын
Same thing happenef to us in mexico the song is great
@nazojin7557
@nazojin7557 3 жыл бұрын
I really expected a sequel for dragon Ball gt where they show Goku junior, only to find out it's not cannon
@vandogg14
@vandogg14 3 жыл бұрын
Damn i had honestly forgotten about GT for the longest time ever but now that I've seen some scenes again my child hood came rushing back again. I do remember it being a bit childish but then gain so was the original Dragon Ball. What hits me now is the feeling of emptiness I got when the final scenes of GT were playing out knowing that it was "over". I think that's subconsciously I decided that dragon ball super wasn't for me.
@jmantime
@jmantime 5 жыл бұрын
actually GT is over 20 years old
@davidhong1934
@davidhong1934 5 жыл бұрын
Oh my God I'm old!
@mjangelvortex
@mjangelvortex 5 жыл бұрын
@Steve Vento You're correct. Dragon Ball came out in the 80s and Z and GT came out in the 90s but lots of countries didn't get dubs of either until the early 2000s I think.
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