Metal, Shred and Haters with Herman Li (DragonForce) & Lucas Mann (Rings of Saturn)

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@RingsofSaturnBand 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for inviting me to Shred Talk Herman! I had a great time talking with you and jamming together 🙏🎸👽

@learcenciel4821 3 жыл бұрын

Alien recommendations. 🤘🤘🤘

@Oceanofreak666 3 жыл бұрын

Love you Lucas man. Been a long time fan.

@xenophagia 3 жыл бұрын

This was awesome, I've always had your back man. People can just be really shitty. Gonna have to go on Twitch and watch the full stream. Btw: I can't understand why so many people didn't know how a backing track works🤣. Glad you're back bro🤘.

@plandc5 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to see you on tour agin your show at gas monkey in Dallas was literally the best show Iv ever been too!

@dregnar85 3 жыл бұрын

You're a bloody legend mate, fuck the haters. Jared Dines is a jealous idiot, and mega cringe.

@DavidNwokoye 3 жыл бұрын

Lucas Mann: *Gets accused of being fake* Herman: "First time?"

@DRDynamyte_ 3 жыл бұрын

Lmao true But for real, Jared was an absolute dickhead to Lucas. They were (not sure if they still are) good friends, so I really don't know why he'd throw the poor guy under the bus. There was no reason whatsoever for him to make a full-blown callout video - they could've at LEAST talked it out first, but nope, Lucas lost an endorsement and even got death threats - but Lucas handled the accusations perfectly. Jared's now-private apology was so half-assed, and the follow-up DMs shown in Lucas's debunk video reeked of narcissism. "Don’t lie to ME. That hurts more than anything.” Gross. The only fake thing here is Jared's personality. What a loser.

@DavidNwokoye 3 жыл бұрын

@@DRDynamyte_ They're all good now

@DRDynamyte_ 3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidNwokoye They are? That’s nice to hear I guess, but it doesn’t undo what Jared did. If I were Lucas, I’d never forgive that asshat

@njl4515 3 жыл бұрын

@@DRDynamyte_ Way more people than Jared were calling it out. Lucas put up a video of him playing a guitar, except he clearly wasn't playing it, it was all background tracks (you hear the picking but Lucas is tapping in it). For whatever reason, you can't her Lucas Mann's guitar at all in that video. The whole thing was really weird, Lucas admitted it was weird but he just uploaded the video and didn't look too much into it and people kinda moved on...

@DRDynamyte_ 3 жыл бұрын

@@njl4515 Right, but Jared was the one who escalated the situation to a whole new level. To send your audience as an angry mob towards someone else without proof that they’re actually faking is the lowest you can go. It got Jared nowhere, it really damaged Lucas’s reputation, and it made them both bad, especially Jared, since he’d stoop so low to bother pointing it out

@kfury1527 3 жыл бұрын

I may not listen to a lot of Rings of Saturn. But I gotta admit. Lucas is a brilliant guitar player and a really nice guy that isn't afraid to show those haters/elitists how wrong they are about his play style. Herman and Sam are both brilliant as well. Always have been one of my favourite duo's in metal.

@andrewconnolly8677 3 жыл бұрын

This stream was recorded in half time

@Chainbrain 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Hearing you both open up about your negative experiences and how it has made you both stronger! Inspiring!

@Auriflamme 3 жыл бұрын

This really hit home with me. There's always going to be nasty petty people in the world who need to tear other people down in order to feel better about themselves. Keep shredding, keep kicking ass because both of you guys are what the world needs right now even if we don't always deserve you.

@altoverde1845 3 жыл бұрын

Herman li: goes into a bar Random person: oh I'm a better guitar player than you Herman li: well let's do a shred battle IN THE NAME OF SHRED

@gripphillips9181 3 жыл бұрын

I have literally backed up Lucas when he took a break even messaging him and letting him know I'm a fan and he is a legend in my eye's. I love Lucas he is legit as a person and should be treated with respect just like anyone else should be

@xenophagia 3 жыл бұрын

Good on you🤘 Before all this shit happened, we were chillin with him before a show and he was showing my guitarist how he plays some of his most gnarly riffs. No amp or anything. So I always knew it was BS. Also it trips me out that people (especially those involved with music and playing live gigs) don't know how backing tracks and a silent stage work in a smaller club setting. Depending on where you stand, all you may hear is a backing track. As soon as I saw that video I just laughed. It's just really shitty how people treated the guy, especially supposed friends whom are also musicians(wont say any names). They of all people should have understood what was going on in that video, but I think most of them were just being disingenuous and trying to get those precious drama clicks. Anyway, Im just glad the guy is back and doing what he loves.

@BobRocksGuitar 3 жыл бұрын

@@xenophagia 🤘🤘

@BobRocksGuitar 3 жыл бұрын

🤘🤘Nice job man!

@GHmasterlord342 3 жыл бұрын

4:30 Lucas did exactly that to me. His playing has encouraged me to practice more complicated techniques with efficiency, like sweeping, tapping, etc. I legit would not be the player I am today without Lucas so thank you Lucas for passing on the inspiration to me and many others 🙏🏻

@larrypachuau2879 3 жыл бұрын

These haters dont even know anything what their hating is about...

@ooferrell 3 жыл бұрын

Their fave youtuberz are were they get their opinions from. Not there own.

@xalanx07 3 жыл бұрын

It's funny that some people can go to that length to hate the musician. Why not just, okay you didn't like that kind of music, just GTFO and listen to others FFS. 🤣

@TerminusCOBHC 3 жыл бұрын

This video is a pretty good commentary on the fact that metalheads and metal musicians are *nothing* like each other.

@nakmg1650 3 жыл бұрын

Is in the middle of deep conversation: SUDDEN SHRED

@AbhayNayak 3 жыл бұрын

For every 1 asshole you deal with, there’s 1000s of fans who love you. The bad stuff might make you step back but always remember millions of us respect your god level skills and music which has motivated so many people to pick up their guitar ❤️

@Pain0nRye 3 жыл бұрын

Herman Li joins Twitch/KZfaq to shred the trolls to pieces and then ends up helping bring together the entire guitar community ❤️❤️

@learcenciel4821 3 жыл бұрын

Agree

@Don-jh4fp 3 жыл бұрын

Idk, Lucas barely played. More like exposing "over reliant on tech" shredders.

@BigDatsquatch 3 жыл бұрын

@@Don-jh4fp Might want to watch the actual stream. KZfaq videos are trimmed and edited for time.

@Don-jh4fp 3 жыл бұрын

@@BigDatsquatch still won't matter. I also shredd and I shredd really well especially with my obsolete equipment. Take their gear away and let's find out who can really shredd is all I mean.

@TheLemonKiller 3 жыл бұрын

@@Don-jh4fp If gear has nothing to do with it. It seems you're trying to prove or overreach on something here which is a bit sad.

@DeJotaGamer 3 жыл бұрын

Bring Dean from Archspire, Chris Broderick or M. Romeo :)

@bananablood2031 3 жыл бұрын

Michael Romeo!!!!

@kraterkop 3 жыл бұрын

Dean is such a cool dude

@DeJotaGamer 3 жыл бұрын

@@kraterkop totally and a monster on guitar!

@Bleachdemon88 3 жыл бұрын

Seconded for Dean Lamb

@dregnar85 3 жыл бұрын

Please bring Romeo on, that would be fucking epic.

@TheLotusEater725 2 жыл бұрын

I love how you can see the genuine joy on Herman's face when Lucas mentions that Herman and Dragonforce was his first concert plus a huge influence.

@robertjohndelarosa7358 3 жыл бұрын

I learned about Lucas Mann (and Rings of Saturn) thru Jared Dines' videos. One of those, of course is the infamous calling out of Jared on Mann's "fake" playing. After watching all related videos to that debacle and the Among Us videos, I think I can say that Lucas is one talented, cool and humble dude. The usual feelings of amazement from these videos have suddenly turned into disgust as both of them discussed their share of haters. I mean, what type of confident bastard can come up to Herman and say that he's better than him? I am profoundly glad that you both persevered and didn't really waste your time on those vermins. More power to DragonForce and Rings of Saturn..

@hazepheno925 3 жыл бұрын

By Haters do you mean Jared Dines.

@ooferrell 3 жыл бұрын

Lol right.......... U mean hater. ;)

@fareza1988 3 жыл бұрын

Because he can't play like Lucas, jared sucks

@xenophagia 3 жыл бұрын

There was more than just him, but he's the one who took it to another level for clicks. Out of everyone, you would think he would be the one to understand what was going on in that video and had his "friends" back. You would assume he would know what playing with backing tracks, on a silent stage, in a smaller club venue can do to the sound depending on where you're standing. I think Jared was just being disingenuous though. Those DM's he was sending was some disgusting and manipulative shit. I'm glad the issue is dead now and people have a better understanding. The best part is that Lucas is out there having fun again.

@KylePBass 3 жыл бұрын

Nah Jared doesn’t suck. He’s better than most at several instruments. He’s just not a virtuoso like a lot of these guys

@the_vinson 3 жыл бұрын

@@KylePBass Jared reaaaallyy improved over the last 5 years. Pretty impressive actually!

@AnkerPeet 3 жыл бұрын

I remember I posted a video on KZfaq of me and my friends playing a song. Everyone was commenting on how fat I was. It sucked. I was only 14 years old. That kind of stuff sticks with you for a long time. People online are real people! Be kind!

@xenophagia 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, people can be shitty. Just understand that they are trying to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings. For every asshole like that, there are tons of others who see your talent and appreciate you for you. So just keep shredding and doing your thing. Don't let other's pull you down, no matter how hard it can be🤘

@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God 3 жыл бұрын

Get over it and be better

@thanesmashmontages412 3 жыл бұрын

Have loved DForce and RoS since the beginning. Props to both of you.

@hotchains7570 3 жыл бұрын

The best guitar player’s is someone who can play and who can create a hook that pulls people into your beautiful art and work and songs

@aidanely 2 жыл бұрын

Lucas Mann is such a talented guitarist. It is amazing to see two incredible guitarists just chatting when there’s so much talent

@IbanezDanny 3 жыл бұрын

I've mainly only ever seen Lucas in videos shredding as well as a few other mini talking segments, I've always thought he seemed like a really nice guy but this interview showed me a whole other side. What a nice guy, crazy what he went through it just goes to show never judge someone and always be nice, because you never know what someone is dealing with.

@dokidokideathproof 3 жыл бұрын

I went to that same tour Lucas is talking about, I believe HORSE the band opened for them both.

@thanebear 3 жыл бұрын

Haha I loved Horse the band. Cut. Cut. Cut cut!

@tealeaf3210 3 жыл бұрын

@@thanebear Horse the Band are finally releasing some new stuff! They are pretty active on instagram.

@rstysound 3 жыл бұрын

50 seconds in and giving this a huge thumbs up! Nice to hear a pro even notices how volatile the guitar world can be. Herman is a breath of fresh air with this channel, nothing but good vibes and fun!

@AlienorchestraNetoslo 3 жыл бұрын

It would be super easy for us all without haters we’re facing them each and every day.. let’s just ignore them!! cool video Herman!!!

@albrandon 3 жыл бұрын

Really important stories here, thanks so much for sharing!

@BreadWinsLife 3 жыл бұрын

If Herman Li dosent get invited dis year to Jared's yearly shred Collab....I'm quitting KZfaq

@Knocker420 2 жыл бұрын

Rings Of Saturn is so sick live!! I saw them at a really small gig in Philly when they just released their second album, ‘Dingir’, and they were opening for Jungle Rot, Exhumed, and Suffocation. They friggin’ rocked the house AND they had a bassist playing with them at the time! I met Sean (the bassist), he was a really cool guy to talk to. Awesome stream, Herman!!

@GeoffreyGodshall 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Dali isn't better than Picasso. Entirely different styles. Is Maiden better than Bach? To simply ask the question misses the point by a long shot. It directly translates to music as far as comparing art forms. I suck at bass like a toddler sucks at water colors. It's open to interpretation, but only to an extent. Pro photographer vs. someone with an iPhone. You can tell the difference, especially when people pay good money for one and not the other. Fascinating.

@explorerrocker09 3 жыл бұрын

Lucas' facial expression 9:48 onwards I can't cope ahahahahaha

@Ferishan6 3 жыл бұрын

You two are great musician, and also has good personality, respect for you two man

@terdcutter3193 3 жыл бұрын

i took acid at a rings of saturn show at the trocadero in philly holy shit dude lucas gave me a shout out for being maniac

@ultimatedodger4247 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your stories, Herman and Lucas.

@TMac-Attack 3 жыл бұрын

Herman , you are awesome, always love your videos!! Thanks!!

@ronnieriveros4206 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video I love dragonforce music deeply and I love listening to Rings of Saturn too, you 2 are amazing guitarists and just like you are inspired by video game music I almost cried when Lucas Mann said that Herman Li was his inspiration for real I would love to be able to see you live one day greetings from Chile 🤘🏻🤘🏻🔥🔥🔥👽👽

@awetisimgaming7473 2 жыл бұрын

I really could hear the dragonforce type of sound with the new gidim instrumental song, where it's almost sounds like a stream of sound rather than individual notes. It brings a whole new meaning to crazy sounding guitar once you reach those levels, and I really appreciate that we could get back to that level with more than just dragonforce

@dbassir87 3 жыл бұрын

Love this attitude Positivity is everything

@SynoJi 3 жыл бұрын

i love you and i really appreciate the positivity that you spread we really need it in this community

@blacksaona 3 жыл бұрын

More videos like this please. its very inspirational

@allsic 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome Herman and Lucas you guys rock!

@chrisnikas1998 3 жыл бұрын

we need videos like this one !!!!!!!!!!!!!

@hanginman2715 3 жыл бұрын

I love lucas mann, I got to talk to him for a hot minute after a show in my place, and he has inspired me more then anyone else, I hope lucas sees this I love you man

@oriononerom7985 3 жыл бұрын

EXCITEDLY!

@EshaanMusic 3 жыл бұрын

AMAZING PERFORMANCE GUYS

@BelphegorDemon 3 жыл бұрын

Oooo Herman Li You are great!!

@joshuamcvicker7440 3 жыл бұрын

Dude lucas your music is amazing I've been listening and playing your music since the beginning and I'll always love what you do and think you're the absolute embodiment of perfection thank you for everything you do

@matthashobbies 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen herman shred a PRS before! Sounds great on it!

@metalflower9543 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! 🔥😁

@GiorgioDOPPIAG 3 жыл бұрын

Love both the bands! Hope to see them live again in the future, unfortunately I've seen Rings Of Saturn last year without Lucas. FU*KING LEGENDS! (independently if you like them or not)

@viking_of_sweden4166 3 жыл бұрын

You are both great players. Just keep rocking and ignore all the negative shit.

@aryinc 3 жыл бұрын

awesome video. walk over them they say, don't let them drag you down. Your own live is enough for yourself, people can't deal with allot of negative stuff. Motivate eachother to do stuff instead of break eachother off at the legs.

@BoY860 3 жыл бұрын

you seem like the nice guitarist ever, great work love what you do. subscribed

@arkadeepbasu8818 3 жыл бұрын

Lucas is a good dude. Just keep doing what you do . You are an inspiration to a lot of players including me. Mad respect man

@Salz1usTox1cus 3 жыл бұрын

Two great Musicians and Two Great Humans!!!

@bread_girl_jane 3 жыл бұрын

MY TWO FAVORITE GUITARISTS IN ONE STREAM

@xyzain_1827 3 жыл бұрын

So wholesome!

@aurorhaterror953 3 жыл бұрын

Lucas man y hernan ki great guitars. Excellent video

@Rose-From-the-Dead 3 жыл бұрын

The music for the final fight with K Rool in DK Country was straight up power metal. i remember just pausing the game and listening to that song over and over when I was like 10 years old

@menaceP875 Жыл бұрын

Crab mentality my dude. See alot of it everywhere every single day

@James-ik7zv 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing musicians

@errbeom 3 жыл бұрын

The Metal music cant stop evolving...

@shwootywoot7962 3 жыл бұрын

Lucas you're awesome, man. Herman, great show!

@vecseyadam1992 3 жыл бұрын

This was awesome. Both guitar players should be admired for their skills and all the people accusing them faking their music... they're just so damn ridiculous. I don't know what the accusers were smoking :D But you know the words... haters gonna hate. Jealousy is and will always be a powerful feeling and also a powerful "asset" to let out their negative energies and unleash those on others. Btw I love both bands, I've listened to lots of DF several years ago, but a few years ago the melodies (of DF, RoF, and mostly, Helloween melodies and riffs) just started repeating in my mind... which actually hindered me in my work :D I'm a translator and for some reason, the guitar and vocal melodies were always going on in my mind and I could barely work. So I had to give up on melodic music and that's when I found Infant Annhilator and then Rings of Saturn. RoS is what saved my job :D The riffs and the faster melodies are very catchy for my ears, but not so much that I can't work, so I'm really grateful. Not to mention their lyrics, I totally feel what the songs are about - and I'm not talking about the "primer" lyrics about aliens but about the deeper layers about the devastation the humankind created in a blink of the eye and being a pain in the ass for the planet and the environment due to our destructive nature. These stuff kick ass and bringing in the aliens to solve the humankind-issue, it's epic. So, thanks Herman and Lucas and all the other guys in the DF and RoS!

@KalenTomlinson 3 жыл бұрын

Most ambitious crossover in history

@bradleyhart8487 3 жыл бұрын

shoutout megaman x

@jacobwieczorek2261 3 жыл бұрын

Both cool ass dudes! Take their advice!

@paulwhite6396 3 жыл бұрын

I could imagine Dragonforce and Rings of Saturn collaborate on an Album. It would be LEGENDARY.

@MikaTarkela 8 ай бұрын

Lucas is amazing!

@tessaiga1728 3 жыл бұрын

awesome 😊

@bubonikkronik6561 3 жыл бұрын

Wonder if Lucas' first concert with Dragonforce might have been at the Wiltern. Was also my first and All That Remains was on the tour as well.

@elfianmetal 3 жыл бұрын

you are fantastic! but how do you both play synchronized to the base? there are no latency problems?

@deadpoop7656 3 жыл бұрын

They're too good to suffer that kind of issues

@JokingbombYT 3 жыл бұрын

THIS SHINING CITY BUILT OF GOLD

@HectorRasquinho 3 жыл бұрын

A far cry from innocence

@thanesmashmontages412 3 жыл бұрын

There's more than meets the eye around here

@doomslayerplushie6662 3 жыл бұрын

Look to the waters of the deep

@headbone666 3 жыл бұрын

destroy in an hour

@JokingbombYT 3 жыл бұрын

THE BEAST AND THE HARLOT

@rjdillinger1015 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you guys for the positivity! Its really horrible how people can be.

@giuliom4886 3 жыл бұрын

"This is what I wanna do: I want to make crazy crazy music, that would inspire other people to be better" Dude, I am happy to say, that I started to push forward on my technique (and also music theory) because of you man!

@everett880 3 жыл бұрын

Shred em' haters 🤘🏻

@Denim3002 3 жыл бұрын

Could you make a video with Thomas mcrocklin?

@njl4515 3 жыл бұрын

Hasn't he lready has McRocklin on his program?

@ExtremeLiveCams 3 жыл бұрын

I would die for a ttfaf cover by rings

@cahhhdoto 3 жыл бұрын

lol the thumbnail got me, i thought it was sarah longfield

@-chrislopezskate-5175 3 жыл бұрын

Do a guitar solo video of “Inside The Winter Storm”

@arjunad8766 3 жыл бұрын

"You are always no1 for you" this is excatly what i follow in my life..

@BobRocksGuitar 3 жыл бұрын

I guess untalented jealous people just can't appreciate great guitarists... sad. These guys are huge inspirations, respect! \m/

@danieldavila1181 3 жыл бұрын

Now with Charles Casswell from Berried Alive :D

@gaelsortino6033 3 жыл бұрын

Big love for Lucas Mann

@AiBrOn 3 жыл бұрын

this guy is on another level... Lucas one of the best guitar players ever. 2 legends here.

@dmeemd7787 3 жыл бұрын

I've been play guitar for 20 years, I know what you guys are playing is being played, also people don't understand I technology it is used, including lag and which guitar their hearing and so on. I have seen you guys at venues where stage is one foot or two foot high so you're right up there in the front and any video I've recorded of your shows is obviously you and the band playing. If you look at Tosin Abasi, everybody was saying that he couldn't play that clean which obviously isn't the case either. The shit needs to stop with this. I seen other bands and I won't name them where it's obviously sampled over. I think you should repost this video again because the sort of stuff doesn't get better so I appreciate you putting something out like this. 🤘

@zionkey8834 3 жыл бұрын

❤

@Koospa 3 жыл бұрын

How do they manage to play together? I imagine the internet delay would mess things up.

@MetaTaro 3 жыл бұрын

I have this question also

@StuPV 3 жыл бұрын

His twitch bot says they have some proprietary software, my theorycrafting has that as a piece of software that synchronises the backing track on both of their machines by referencing an atomic clock somewhere (or some other constant). If the backing track is in sync, it wouldnt be hard for the players to play together

@GurthRacing 2 жыл бұрын

it must be a full time job to keep al of herman's guitars set up

@user-cj6te2oj4m 3 жыл бұрын

The stream was streamed at half speed

@Bleachdemon88 3 жыл бұрын

So messed up how some people can be, it is lonely at the top since everyone else is trying to bring you down but props to you both for rising above the 🐂 💩

@craggerrs 3 жыл бұрын

this podcast is gnarly af

@theepicslayer7sss101 3 жыл бұрын

that story made me go "WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F" but i read some comment about a controversy and he responded that he can't publicly comment on it yet; i must admit i am glad that this is it. (i mean it is not like one of them being accused of raping or doing drugs or stealing songs... for the word controversy could have meant something to dislike the band for but in this case it is not!) PS watching this makes me realize i have not played guitar in 3 years since i live at home and my brother works at night and sleep in the day so there is never a good time to play... i have no finger muscle left, nor any hard skin at the tip... i literally got spaghetti or noodles for fingers now!

@broncoxy 3 жыл бұрын

When you got your fair share of haters, thats when you know you're good lmao Amazing players both of you, wish you all the best and I'm happy to see that you are well able to prove every shittalker wrong; love ya!