All Guitar Playing in this video is supplemented by the raw DI tracks at the end of the video that I welcome anyone to inspect. Live audio from our shows recorded direct from the console is featured debunking the "miming live" argument entirely. An explanation of why there was confusion upon the popular accusations and arguments is given, along with more supporting evidence such as a fan video. Call out Culture and Jared Dines is discussed as well. I am not trying to attack anyone with this, and only want positivity for everyone involved, however I feel my side needs to be heard because it has overwhemingly been suppressed. Hopefully this video clears everything up.

Imagine being so good that people think you're faking it

This is just a 40 minute video reminding me that I need to practice

"that's my warmup" Bruh...

Paganini was accused of having a deal with the devil for playing so fast. Today they just call it fake.

Absolutely incredible playing dude. Your absolute domination of the fretboard is inspiring.

One fundamental truth spoken here "Guitar is not a sport"

2 points 1.) I was a fan of RoS before this, now im a huge fan. 2.) Lucas is a perfect example of how to handle accusations like what Jared said.

when he says "we are not in competition with each other as musicians" that shit hits hard though.

This is the IRL equivalent of being called a hacker for being too good at an online game

That’s a wig. No one’s hair is that lovely.

I'm so disappointed about the fact that a professional musician like Lucas has less credibility than a professional meme maker like Jared.

"I do not want anybody to harass anyone over this" Everyone in the comments: I'll go ahead and pretend you didn't say that

Lucas Mann: I've been accused of being a fake shredder Herman Li: First time?

I totally understand you. People don't believe my guitar playing is for real either. The only difference is it's because I play so poorly.

My wife is so good, she’s been faking it for years

This is the classiest response to someone who tried to drag your name thru the mud (zero swearing). You said solid points

This is literally the best "you're wrong, and here's why" video I've ever seen

This is the musical equivalent of getting called a hacker for being good at a game.

Jared is an absolute joke. This video proves it perfectly.

The most important phrase was that music is not a competition. Instruments are there to express yourself and share your art with others!

I'm not saying its aliens, but its Aliens.

this mans patience is almost as honed as his sweeping

I think Jared is bummed out he's balding and can't shred as well as Lucas.

“...we have a clock just for the meme...”

How can you say Lucas was miming anything he doesn’t even have the shirt or the face paint.

“People can be inhumanely good” I totally agree with this, has anyone ever seen Tosin abasi’s thumb? That is inhuman

“He’S nOt PiCkInG” I’m sorry i thought guitar hero taught about hopo’s

I don't know who this guy is, never heard of this band, don't even know how I got to this channel, but man can he play that guitar!

“I record every single set of the tour” LIVE ALBUM PLEASE

Thanks to everyone for sharing their comments and thoughts about this matter. Jared Dines has issued a video in response in which he makes a genuine apology regarding this whole debacle. I really respect and appreciate him for doing that. I’m happy that we were able to resolve this issue and move forward in a positive way. Please watch his video here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e5Zkma2cptmvpoE.html EDIT: His apology video was deleted, however a re-upload of it can be seen through this link for those curious as to what he had said kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fL16ec5kqc3Nn2g.html

What Lucas is doing here - "A simple arppegio" is the warm up of any classical musician... I don't understand why people would say playing fast arpeggios is fake but ok... Great playing Lucas! Your technique is extremelly good. Cheers!

“People can be inhumanly good” one person was... his name was Shawn Lane

10:27 "It's almost 2020" Then how does this guy have sunglasses from 3020?

I feel like Devin Townsend needs to sit down with Jared and explain how making a wall of sound works

I don’t know why I’m watching this, I don’t doubt he plays everything legitimately

A straight lesson for the 'bedroom internet guitarist' Jared dines : I can't play is not equal to he can't play

“We aren’t in competition with each other” Incredibly wholesome and respectable response to this whole thing. Well said brother. I hope the attention from this negativity ends up bringing you even more future success.

What Jared Dines did was not a Djentleman thing to do.

Welp...I just unsubscribed from Jared Dines, so glad I saw this video Apart from all the facts Lucas has presented proving he doesn't fake anything, I think the simple fact the he is so level headed and civil about this whole thing despite the fact that he is the clear victim in this situation will tell any rational human being that he is telling the truth Jared Dines' own behaviour just proves he is a literal man child, dude grow up, you said it yourself, there are always going to be better guitarists than yourself, why can't you just accept that Lucas is one of those people A quick disclaimer: I have watched Jared Dines' videos for a long time but only go back and watch his earlier stuff, don't watch any of his new stuff as it is mediocre at best Also, I do like Rings of Saturn's music, but with very little research and very little knowledge on this subject, I previously assumed that there was some level of 'fakeness' going on with both their live sound as well as their recorded sound, after watching this video my view has completely changed due to the level of transparency and facts on display Top work Lucas, people are just envious and insecure as you said, very unfortunate that you have suffered mentally and monetarily from this just because Jared wants that KZfaq money, smh...

This dude should record audio books

The art on the background is a perfectionist's hell

FAKE! Lucas Mann himself isn't real.

When my band opened for Rings these guys were warming up backstage and the licks sounded flawless. Solid talent.

Jared hasn’t heard of Michael Angelo Batio’s “clean’.

People have been complaining in and on youtube ever since ROS was created.

Just respect him for how cool he deals with idiots from the Internet

The 1.5K dislikes are likely from Jared's fanbase

Dines is a fool. It would be understandable for some Joe Blow to presume that a live performance that sounds “too perfect” to them is probably edited or faked altogether but Jared is at least somewhat plugged into the happenings in music recording and live performance. He has played and performed with several bands over the years - as have many of his friends. He should know these things - or at least grant you guys the benefit of the doubt until he had a chance to look into it further. Not only should he know better - he actually knows you personally. Before cashing in on a bullshit accusation video, he could easily have picked up the phone and asked you about this. Watching a few clips and accusing someone (someone you very easily could have asked personally) of faking something that they have practiced every single day for months or years just because to your ears, it sounds “too perfect” is just fucked. As you said, making a video is one thing. I guess it could be seen as him bringing the topic up for discussion. I definitely don’t see it that way but the argument could be made. However, insisting that you guys are outright faking your live performances in comment threads is such a fucking snake move. I love that his first statement is about as matter-of-fact as can be. “Lucas _definitely_ mimes some parts live.” And after a single response, he immediately starts backpedaling and throws out the “I could be wrong.” Way to stick to your guns, dude. What’s even better is that he suggests at the end of that thread “we can discuss this privately if you wish.” Yeah I think that train has sailed, dipshit. You want to put me on blast to hundreds of thousands of people without doing any due diligence whatsoever but you want to discuss it privately once I respond? Seriously, dude? And that follow up in the DM’s was just pathetically arrogant and assholish. “Don’t lie to ME. That hurts more than anything.”

“We have a clock just for the meme” was just so casual I laughed out loud

Clearly the most important question here is where can I get those sunglasses

I gotta be honest: I am actually not into Rings of Saturn, it's just not my kind of music. BUT: i stumbled across this video. And I gotta say: I gained such a high level of respect for Lucas Mann, its ridiculous. Jared has always been an unlikely dude for me. Lucas is an absolute killer guitarist and I highly respect this guy for his talent. Keep on the good work. As far as I can tell, you gained more fans after this very betrayal.

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“Here’s what it sounds like slow...” *proceeds to play faster than I can.

"This guy is too fast and clean, he must be faking it on stage" *Laughs in Shawn Lane*

A little fun fact : Saturn is losing its rings at a fast pace..the rings surrounding Saturn will be completely gone in 100 million years.

Sounds like Jared needs to volunteer at his local venue. If any of these KZfaq guitarists spent a little bit of time running FOH, monitors, or schlepping gear they would understand how these things work. Because they started their music careers in front of a computer instead of on a stage, they seem to lack a basic understanding of live sound and production.

Jared's so lucky he doesn't even know it. These kind of fake allegations against innocent people is how careers get ruined.

To be honest this is pretty much the best free guitar lesson you can get.

This guy sounds exactly like Cosmonaut variety hour.

My reaction every time I see a video of you playing is to grab my guitar. Instead of getting motivated by your unbelievable playing people label it fake so that they feel better about them selves. You’re one of the best players I’ve ever seen

Aliencore fans: How many lies are you going to debunk? Lucas: YES!

"guitar is not a sport" WORD and neither is ANY kind of artistic discipline.

The noob who criticized you doesnt know the difference between legato vs staccato. Great playing man!

Live sound engineer here. I do not know anything by ROS and have no stake in the band as a listener or insider. I'm only vaguely aware of Lucas Mann. What I can tell you is that everything the live sound guy was saying is 100% honest, and nothing about the way their live show is run is suspect in any way. That's actually a very simple and barebones set up if you're talking about efficiency, and I've ran bands like that countless times. It's probably about 6/10 times, at my venue size, the bands are using tracks. For the really tight and highly refined performances, it's almost 10/10 times. But I cannot stress enough the part about the monitors. You can be on stage with other monitors all around you, and barely hear their mix, or the FOH speakers. Then you take 3 steps off stage and you're standing infront of the FOH speakers and the entire band reappears. Singers on stage won't be able to hear the beat or their own voice if it's only coming through the house speakers, even though those speakers are louder than holy fuck. These speakers are extremely directional or they wouldn't work as a monitor. They'd just feed back all over the place. They weren't trying to cover their ass or make any kind of excuse. They're hiding nothing and that live set up is completely legit.

Fake! Dude is lip syncing his entire monologue.

Having never heard of this band, I'm very impressed at the discretion shown under massive pressure here. Amazing player, and a very level headed dude. A credit to guitar, KZfaq and the scene.

That part about you losing that endorsement actually hurt to hear. Most people know how good you really are and there’s always jealous assholes that need an excuse to be bad/lazy. Losing an endorsement with a company I can only assume you really like, must have been the biggest kick while you were already down. Now you’ve proven your talent and incredible skill, hopefully those jealous people can now actually strive towards playing like you/to your standard! Keep shredding king❤️

Dude the suede on your couch looks as smooth as your playing

9:15 those glasses look like the glasses you wear when driving the Cybertruck.

This guy looks like a caricature drawing of David Gilmour

Whoever accused him must be feeling pretty dumb

It's like when you lift weights and get accused of steroids

Lucas debunked every possible angle of “miming” and there are still gonna be people saying it’s fake smh

Thanks Jared for introducing me to a great band.

Wow, this is the single most mature and awesome response I have ever seen. Huge respect!

2019 - The year to discredit everyone doing better than you.

When the sound tech was talking I could not pay attention. I was looking at the glasses the whole time 😂

You were a lot more nice than I would’ve been about the situation. lol you presented yourself in a professional manner though and defended yourself. It’s a shame that talent is overshadowed by people’s speculations in today’s world, but I hope that this is just a stepping stone for you and things do genuinely get better from here on out. best of luck, man.

" guitar is not a sport. I dont care ". I love this

Irony would be if it turns out Dines' playing is fake.

"Guitar is not a sport" End of discussion. I wouldn't give a shit if you were faking everything. I listen to Rings of Saturn for fun and smart compositions, not because I think you're a guitar god. Keep on doing you, bud.

Love this video. The scandal is interesting, learning about the stage setup is interesting and all the debate surrounding technique, and what is "real music" vs "faking it". Well done Lucas, great video even if you don't follow ROS. You're very well spoken

I'm just now watching this and one thing I know from going to shows and playing them is alot of bands use a live tracks, especially bands with only one guitarist, or bands with no bassist, same concept with using synths and symphonics for songs.

This is such a mature and level headed response you just gained a fan. Respect 🙌

"Don't lie to ME" Jared Dines has some hella strong narcissism.

Imagine being SO good, you have to make a 41 minute video proving you're real.. what is this world?

I know this is all old news at this point. However, I just want to applaud you Lucas for such a measured and eloquent response. Your frustration surely was palpable, why would it not be, but you were able to keep it in check to deliver what I believe to be a tasteful response to reprehensible behavior. You set a good example for anyone aspiring to live or work in the public eye as you do with your band and personal brand. Great stuff and keep up the awesome work. Hope you are still doing well!

Take this as inspiration everyone. Be SO good that people think you’re faking. Go practice. Excellent video Lucas, you’ve gained a new fan!

It makes me sad when my guitar dads fight :(

I'm super late to this drama. LMFAO. But you know what? You just gained a fan. That was by far the most respectful response I've seen in a long ass time. You are the type of person that is the perfect example of what to be in the metal scene, or as a musician in general . Open minded and Respectful. Cheers.

There isn't even anything wrong with using recorded tracks to add flavor to a live show, as long as you aren't pretending that they are done live. Rings of Saturn has never said that any of their live tracks were not live tracks, they have never even implied it. When Periphery plays live, they use a bass track because they have no bass player. Nobody bats an eye, so why do people have a problem when Rings of Saturn does it with their third guitar track? It's not like they're pressing play on a pre-recorded track and saying "hey, this is all me live right now."

Jared: “It’s fake.” Lucas: “I’m about to flip this allegation on its head.”

In his new response video, he says "it's tacky for Lucas to show our DM chat" but it's not tacky for him to just state, as fact, without even contacting you first, that he's miming everything? That whole video is just damage control for him and backpedaling. From his DM "I'm on your side, I want to believe you." Then why the fuck wouldn't he ask you about it first and give you a moment to defend yourself, before creating a video shitting on you and making you lose endorsements? I honestly didn't even know about you until all these accusations came out so I'm unbiased here, but he just jumped on the cancel culture bandwagon and as a longtime viewer of his, I've really lost some respect for him here.

Buckethead live made me believe anything on guitar is possible

"How to try to expose a pro, but have ur envy not-pro ass exposed back" with Jared Dines ft Lucas Mann

So this is my understanding of this situation. Lucas Mann: My guitar balls are this big. Internet: No way are Lucas Mann's balls this big Lucas Mann: Hey, maybe you didn't have all the info, no problem. Let me show you how this is recorded, and how I did this short clip. (TIME PASSES) Lucas Mann: This is how big my guitar balls are. Any further questions?

I like how every deathcore band look badass but they are just nice people.

How do people not understand the concept of tracks? You guys don't have a bassist, a third guitarist, and a synthesizer on stage. How else are you going to get the sound? Personally, I want studio quality when I go to a show, and I've seen nothing but that from Rings of Saturn. You handled yourself well and I applaud you, sir.

A little late to this, but you are an absolute gentlemen and one of the best in your craft. What drew me to RoS were your insane, INSANE skills and just the sound/story you tell with your guitar. Mad respect ✊