You have already aired this episode on this KZfaq channel you cheeky bugger this is not new

@Dragons' Den Isn't this a re-upload?? I've watched this on KZfaq well before now. Thumbs 👎 for this

Where can i buy 1 of these? Im an electrician and this would make jobs so much quicker

So which came first, dragons' den or shark tank either way they are identical shows with an identical premise. Unique show concepts are clearly a thing of the past.

@@kriss1987davies09 If you look further down in this thread of comments you will see that DeWalt do a 12V version . . .

Lol

If I were a cynic I would say he loves it because it leaves them in a vulnerable position where he can dictate all the terms and if they try to argue he could say "without me ya got nothing, you'll be out on the street" but I don't believe Peter is like that, I'm just saying it could be true in some cases 😀

because he was homeless sleeping under the bridges and empty wearhouses before he struck gold somehow. so he can very well relate to homeless ppl

Just share the gamble with the bank why tf would you do it yourself

Loves it when peasants suffer. He’ll probably but the house and rent it 10x

Yep... really strange decision I thought

And extra 20k

I suppose having 3 different investors could be a pain but they did seem to have much more expertise.

It's the help with the patents that would have swung me. They can be hell on wheels if you don't get *all* the details right so that someone else can come along with a slight variation not covered by the original patent!

3 type A personalities at each others neck trying to one-up each other all the way trough a stressful and difficult transition? Yeah, sounds like the perfect formula for success...

Thanks

thank youu

Thanks Ryan from Northern Ireland

Thank you rayn from Northern Ireland for the update

Here in the U.S. I am anxious to see this become available here. Amazon and Home Depot would be good venders for this product.

Totally. My wife litterly is an accountant and I'm a tradesman. It's how it is for me. Lol

I swear I've seen this product about

It’s a good mix 👍🏻

Put glasses and a blazer on a homeless person and they look like an accountant. Take them off again and they look like a tradesman.

@@RaviPatel-ex8er work together

😀💯

He got office space in London he bought it just for this show so he can offer it for new businesses also he using some space . It was mistake before it was must to have office in London now days it's no reason .

Yawn!

@@MindSetReset lol

He comes across as the dragon I’d least like to take investment from.

"Wow you're really good at DIY stuff how did you..." CABLE TIES

Sooo true! 🤣🤣 just when you think your done ,, oooh i could hide these cables ones here!

Especially good cable ties like the ones Hellerman-Tyton makes!

Yes I agree many times I needed to hold some cables and I didn’t have any ties

Yeah, it's like saying "Wow, more ways to improve the look and safety of things we use every day, what a bore"

If he bites his pen your laughing, means he mega wants in

He was out soon he herd about that patten I could see it before he even said he was out

That's the issue, come on a show and reveal it and 2 weeks later a Chinese company has knocked up a clone In their factory.

@@VenturiLife Ain't that the truth.

unreal. They screwed that up royally

yoo wtf are they doing i hope theyve done more research into the dragons than i have caus i think 5% is gonna be a drop in the bucket of their tears

If theres one dragon they have a higher incentive to make it work.

Tbh though the license deal wasn't guarenteed, and without a patent it was a worthless proposition, they should of asked him to guarentee it, else it's false words since he doesn't own that company.

@Damien Lavizzo But it could have been worth more... Who knows?

I don't get this? Was peter saying he didn't have what it takes to bring this product to market and therefore he wont offer funding?

@@chrisliddiard725 that's how i understood it

@@chrisliddiard725 yeah other dragons would be better suited to their product and situation.

@@chrisliddiard725 I think he was saying he could invest and make loads of money, but if he backed out the couple would make even more money because the other dragons were better placed to bring this to market and provide the necessary expertise.

@@chrisliddiard725 yeah, cause isn't he tied into tech, like cameras and IT type things, less construction ties I'm guessing.

Yeah, without of any physical contact, just go for the money

Yeah she says jump he says how hi

This is untrue... They provide an investment. They have close connections with the top companies in the UK allowing the product to get to shelves faster over a short period of time.

20.000 pound is nothing compared to help with patents, chinese market, and entry to a large manufacturer

@@roland9367 but its also 5% more which if you are confidant in getting your product out there without the help can equate to a lot of money. Of course patent help is nice and if you cant get it can make or break you and 5% isnt to bad of a loss in exchange for a head start in manufacturing and an in with the buyers. its not as simple a decision more knowledge and startup money in exchange for 5% long term profits. lets not forget any 1 dragon is going to have help its not like they lost all knowledge and ins.

@@roland9367 China is a dead market. They'll buy 1, copy it & sell/have their own. They copy 100% of everything. Thinking they won't copy your plastic nails is a joke. I'd go so far as to try and avoid having China get their hands on it as long as possible. The second they do you have a competitor who can out manufacture you, and cares not for patents

The product already exists albeit without the plastic nails. Only Europe is strict on fixing cables, most markets wouldn't fix their cables to begin with making the customer base much smaller then they think.

Ah interesting. Thanks for pointing this out!

Doesn't really make sense to grant a patent and then complain about the contents now would it? Not sure how the logic worked there in his mind....

Yeah I was really co fused by his reaction there and I kinda wish that they'd showed Julie's face at that comment

Yeah, but what he meant is that they can object at any point until they get the patent, it isn't a sure thing yet they won't object cause they don't have the patent

I think he meant that the patent won´t protect actual tool, since it refers to the non-conductive material in the clip.

Did you know he is medically blind!

@@originalunoriginal4055 I think he sees that.

😂😂 But wire you questioning his cable-abilities? It is shocking that you are plugging your own current services, a dark turn which leaves me de-lighted!

He is a genius, he knows what the Dragons are going to say before they do ;)

@@rgarlinyc Good one :))

@gmellias Welp, someone missed the joke ... :(

@gmellias who hurt u mister

@gmellias alright Touker, stop watching Dragon's Den on KZfaq lol

@@anuvette ​ Unoriginality probably did pal, but that problem seems to whizz past most peoples heads these days

Touker: And that means I need a bigger equity stake

they already exist and they support but dont grip so they're crap but they're only good for wood.

Its either that product is a time machine or a hover board. Either ways the dragons would have bite it for sure

Theres the opposite of this for one guy asking for £1

There’s a video of a guy offering 1%

Most millionaires probably don't just have 27 million in a bank account, you'd need to have the cure for cancer for them to invest that much

There was someone who asked for £1m for 5%. They didn't get any dragons 😂

Listed on Alibaba as: 'Chinese dragon stapler plastic nails wire dragon plastic staper 220V 110V cable regulatory staples plastic dragon stapler easy staple plastic electricity two colours staple dragon'

@@thomass.jagger2429 Exactly..hahaha

All well and good, but knock-offs don't always nail the right material, which is important in this case. Also, everyone's looking at this as if the only customers are one-man electrician companies and not huge construction corporations who buy in bulk from known and reputable sources. Especially if there's a way to get the VAT back. The Greys are gonna be ok.

@@thomass.jagger2429 Yup lmfao

Lol 😂

Because they know it will make money, so they want as much return as possible for their investment

@@Archive385 of course. I was making fun of their methods not their intentions

Seriously. Have a game plan. Bottom line. Stick to it.

Debra is right she can do all what they promised, each dragon has exp of idea to manufacturing to selling, and seeing those three dragons talking over one another.... Yeah too many cooks in the kitchen so to speak. Plus its debras trade she knows it the best and then 25%

@@rungeon83 @AlexTasarov Thank you both for an explanation. Makes perfect sense to me and was a good call

i dissagree, ultimately the 3 dragons will help the buisness the most and they have better rates for cash/percentage

@@xxxepicgamerxxx52 I don’t think you can compare cash/percentage because ultimately the percentage is worth more over time. Even if they gave them a combined 200k upfront, the extra 5% of the company could be worth 10 million in 10 years if they are successful. In my opinion they seemed to have everything figured out. Not to say the dragons couldn’t help, but they may not need as much help.

Nope, they could of bartered 3 dragons back 20k less for 5% they went with Deborah for other reasons

They haven’t taken it to market

@@danohare8819 ahh I understand thanks bro

@@danohare8819 that doesn't stop many from presenting their own made up numbers of profit estimates and sales etc, then they question it.

Exactly wat I was thinking lol

You can offer half and still not get someone else

@@reviewassistant6891 Actually you can't. The rules of the Den dictate that a deal requires you to get the amount you asked for, or you get nothing.

But wouldn't their product line be just one thing to start? Much easier to get a licensing deal with established companies and make more out of bigger pies with smaller slices rather than a big slice of a small pie. At some point down the line they could sell their patent anyways

*cough Milwaukee *cough already have an electric stapler just need to adapt to the staple type

But theres already staples for these cables in the US.

@@squalltheonly 240v?

It's a Milwaukee 12v battery

Would be good to see the full take rather than a 10-15min edit!!

@@tesh_sleep000 watch the actual show instead of a clip from youtube that will probably help

@@genxr1141 how or where can we watch it

If it's like the US show, they must get 100% of the money, but the percent doesn't matter.

she was just trying to be funny. it's her sense of humour. chill guys it was a joke.

I thought the same mkw ! Faux generosity when there's no other choice!! Lol

Peter especially can be nasty sometimes but usually when they just don’t like the product or the people. The dragons respect these two because they thought everything through and have a great product

I disagree. These dragons are so enveyos, they cant stand someone feeling satisfaction

I strongly disagree. The US Sharks are often kind and sentimental at times when the UK Dragons are blunt and abrasive. Furthermore, the US Sharks (barring a few exceptions) are more likely to come up with creative deals, offer more $, support not-quite-ready businesses, and so on. I've seen Daymond, for example, basically commit acts of charity.

@@macnolds4145 ^

No apostrophe

Sadly, I'm not seeing where they're going to get a patent granted. This exact product has been around for around 5 or 6yrs already, with many variations already made by many big brand tool companies. Here is Makita's version from around 5yrs ago that can be done with both battery powered AND mechanical staple guns... 😞 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pa6am5B4q6jZZqs.html

@@strikeforcek9149 did you just link us to their own video showcasing their product? Bruh, that's Julie Gray's channel

@@skullcrusade3436 I think Peter really dodged a bullet there, 4 years ago they were saying it was just about to be ready that year... 9 month ago they said " the product should be ready to launch middle of next year." Sounds more like a failed kick-starter

😂😂😂😂😂😂 genius

She can mathematics.

😀😁😂😀😁😂

giving extra 15%*

@K B Yep. China is shameless with their theft.

lol think about it bud.🤣

Get out

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@@darklordojeda Google search #4. Darklordjeda

Go away.

Google search 5, how to spell a lot

I'm sorry to hear that

Sell drugs..good return..

You didn't lose it to covid, covid had literally absolutely nothing to do with it. You lost it to criminals who knowingly created the fake crisis. One of the main points of it was destroying small businesses.

I think the point here is that they were not trying to patent THE material but rather ALL non-conductive materials, which PJ felt was unrealistic.

@@KaryoSentiko Exactly. And plastics aren't just one material either. Plastics come in many thousands of different versions, each with their own properties. There are even some that are conductive. There are probably more versions of plastics than there are steel.

@@KaryoSentiko That is at the core of the patent though, specifically that no part of the staple is conductive. They are specifically targeting non-conductive plastics strong and cost effective in replicating a penetrating fixing as _that_ is what differentiates _their_ product from others on the market, and _that_ specifically is what allows it to rate for required design standards to be used on 240v installations. PJ was viewing it as if the wording is somewhat arbitrary, and it could have just been how they presented it, not how it's written. They key is _non-conductive plastics and polymers,_ which is no different from say the wording used in the patent for many tool assemblies. It's not specified _which metals or plastics precisely_ they're constructed from _unless_ that medium is the only one which can be used, or someone will just sidestep the patent by using a different medium with very similar properties.

@Food Watcher The design concept clearly relies on the material being non-conductive. It's a staple, not a clip, designed for a specific purpose. To be clear here, I don't think it's a _great_ product, it has some obvious shortcomings but the patent isn't one of them. For the record, _they got their patent._

@Food Watcher It's like you didn't even watch the video. Cable-clip guns have existed for years. The DeWalt system, like all the others, is only for low voltage applications as it uses insulated metal staples, _not_ non-conductive staples. Can't be used on 240v. And as I said, _they have their patent._ Product looks to be going to market very shortly.

Absolutely. Manufaring this as a stand alone brand is idiotic, and a complete waste of time, energy, and capital. License it to the big names. Let them do all the leg work, and just cash the checks. The big brands already have the manufacturing capabilities. They already have the guns, so they would just have to make slight tweaks to already existing tech to use these staples. Really, the ONLY way to make any money off something like this, is licensing. Without that patent though, they have literally nothing. Investment in this is a HUGE risk. Huge returns IF the patent is granted. If it's not, then its money down the drain. Them selling their house to get to this point would have been an enormous red flag for me. Thats boneheaded nonsense to put your house up, when there's no protection what so ever. I hope they pull it off, but there are huge hurdles to clear for them.

@@carllennen3520 maybe that lazy arse attitude is the reason you’re leaving comments on KZfaq and they’re on dragons den.

@@Sam-qh1sh that is to harsh tough...why to offend people when we can share ideas improve each other in positive way..

@@Sam-qh1sh you’re right!

Let’s not forget the normal cable clamps that are metal have to be hammered on and sometimes no matter how good you are sometime you miss and hit the cable or hit them little too hard and pinch the cable. This invention with the plastic clips is amazing

I have the dewalt one and it is not bulky or heavy and clips 10mm absolutely fine,

im electrician in finland and i hardly ever use tc-clips and dont see any market for these, maybe other countries still do wireing on surface but at least we put everything inside walls

@@djpolly1 - we do it inside the walls mate, but in UK we support the cables along the joists with clips if let’s say not many. If I need to run multiple cables I use cradles with cable ties. Inside the walls I use clips, clipped in the middle of the stud as this is worry free that someone is going to screw anything though my cables and is considered “good practice”.

premature collapse is not applicable in a domestic scenario unless its surface wiring in an escape route

@@persona250 - Yeah, I agree with you, mate!

Pavlov's Dragon

What do you mean? The wires are insulated in plastic, and the current (pun intended) clips are also already plastic...

@@fartingfury yes the nails are made of plastic, plastic isn't a very dense or hard material. this is why when you look at them after that have stapled them in they are wonky and lose. there is a reason we don't make nails out of plastic.

@@johng.1703 Oh, right, I missed that detail, sorry (I remember her saying it's completely plastic, but the idea that she meant the nails too didn't occur to me). What an odd decision, given that metal nails are already extremely cheap, very good and already in use with the existing clips.

@@johng.1703 this isnt always true you can create products out of plastic that mechanically compete with metal components nails are often made of plastic to withstand the hammer force the plastic could hold the cable, also would be quite fun to see how its manufactured - do they use additive manufacturing to create internal honeycombing. Sorry ive rambled over this but i cannae be bothered to delete stuff

They did, years and years ago. This peeps are just trying to rip it off.

It’s a staple gun mate.

@@thestarshavefallen But it makes no sense. Even if Deborah is far better and more useful than anyone else (which I do not think its true, probably all 5 are on average equal to everyone else), 3 dragons FOR SURE outshine her when they wanted to work on their strongest fields and give additional money which are for sure needed every time.

@@m8ndayj766 I understand but the idea is so simple. One dragon has x amoung of power, knowledge, connections and planning BUT THREE with different sets of skills, knowledge etc etc can provide multiple times more help to the business, as well as the extra 20k which who cares only the fact that he could have all three of the dragons was more than enough. Even if we use random numbers, if Deborah makes your business make 1 million pounds with 25% going to her, FOR SURE three dragons will make your business make A LOT MORE than the extra 5% they will take from you.

Yes, I was surprised by their decision there too. I would have expected the three dragon deal would have been what they went for. Better to give up a LITTLE more equity and gain three-times the expertise I would have thought, and we're only talking a 5% difference. I am an electrican myself, and I can certainly see the benefits of their product. Nail-in cable-clips are a pain in the arse, and take so much longer to nail in then their gun method would. Time is money, so that would save cost on jobs. Brilliant product. Does anyone know if the investment went through or not?

I think there is something to be said for giving one dragon a larger percentage; Thus they have a larger invested interest in seeing the product succeed.

My reply to someone with a similar comment: "Not really, Tej wanted 10% for just introducing the product to a personal friend (who'd get involved anyway if the product is good); Sara wanted 10% for knowing about patents (easily accessed knowledge); Touker wanted 10% for sourcing, which is the best skill but, again, easily replicated - Not to mention the "too many cooks" dynamic going on. Deborah is an expert with experience and connections in this exact market, unlike all the other dragons. You could buy patent attourneys and decent sourcing without giving away equity that goes down the drain once the dragons have fulfilled their short-term purpose."

Deb's a good dragon

Plus the Chinese don't give a stuff about them.

If it already exists, how are they inventing it and pitching it? Surely they'd all know this

@@MonsterJuiced they're not🤦‍♂️ its called reality TV

@@MonsterJuiced brah, have you not seen the gucci hat asian man doing tile. He has this but like way better

@@warbaby8897 I haven't. So he's got a better version of this plastic nail staple?

That isn't the same as their product.

They really didn’t think

I think so although they will all have contacts elsewhere

All those contacts and an additional 20k for 5%.... I hope it went well for them but damn. Bad decision IMO.

Yes, higher potential for a bigger product, exposure, outreach with 3 dragons and all of their contacts/expertise. The couple got hung up about ownership %. One of those spurned dragons is going to get a cheaper version licensed and brought to market first

But none of them are called Deborah or Peter! I agree with you 100%.

What 'value' does the "dragons" bring to the business? You do realise that they will always take more than they give you. Sleigh the dragons for they are really parasites.

Yeah Deborah was surprised too because a business savvy person should have picked the larger cash stack, contacts, and expertise.

5% makes the difference.

Yeah there was more money and expertise across the board however. When there are too many people involved it gets complicated with conflict of interest and money...I think he made the right choice.

Conflict of interest + after they fulfill their offer they would of been dead weight meaning thats an extra 5%' lost

@@abdxllah9983 pretty sure that's what I just said 😆

They were fighting there already, thats not what you want as shareholders. I would have done the same as they did...

How is this business doing now?

Cringe

cringe

hamsandwich "I have nothing" and "I've got nothing to give" pateel :)

@@HIOP0 😂

@@HIOP0 Cringefest

@@SimulatorWhiz Seems you have yet to begin your ESOL course. When you've received your certificate of attendance, do call here again. One random word, is less worthy than no contribution whatsoever. Hope that helps. 🙂

@@HIOP0 I repeat, cringefest

So glad to hear this. Good for them

Locally known as the IRA, You take our money, and we won't blow Your knee caps off. Sweet.

@@timballam3675 jeez man almost 250!!!!

They seemed really nice. Glad things worked out for them. Dragons Den can be good exposure.

I would’ve agreed with you but personally I feel like they have so many other businesses that their time on this product wouldn’t be their main priority hence why I would’ve taken the other offer