In all honesty Most and Drake shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. This is ridiculous. This is like comparing the photographer that takes family photos at Walmart to Picasso🤦🏿‍♂️

I kinda feel bad for Joe having to have these hip-hop conversations with Ish and Ice, you kinda miss the old cast in times like this, Mel even has more understanding of the art form and the context

@@jeromejenkins151 Mos spoke about Drake not the other way round let’s be clear

@@sdotsimbaaa1624 he was asked a question and he answered it wasn't the other way around he didn't just randomly pull Drake's name out his azz

!!!!

“Comprehension” but yes I agree

@@t-god2439 That's what I get for texting and driving, but they was getting me heated lol

Why only hold Drake to that? What message did Jay have when he was #1 or Wayne or whoever else??? What was the messages from them??

@@csgro Mos Def was asked specifically about Drake, he is the focus of this convo. What Jay, Wayne or anyone else didn’t do is irrelevant. However, it does expand on his point about having a useful message in music. Drake and all big artists alike should strive to influence the culture/humanity in a more meaningful way.

@@teeeeee3606 are u dumb?? We had a black president and he couldn’t do shit.. the fuck u think these rappers can do? Artist are not world leaders no matter how much influence u think they have.. they dont have the power to change shit.. kendrick speaks up every album about that shit.. what has that done besides make him richer?? What has Kendrick changed or influenced for the greater of humanity????

It’s ok love mos was speaking to us who understand like Joe said they only speak hip hop aka dumb shit real new they know nothing about make you think why we support them

This comment deserves way more likes

Make it available on KZfaq dawg

Joe does a great job with handling hip hop discussions.

Put it on KZfaq so we all can enjoy it. Most of us aren't going to patreon

facts…

We still got J Cole Kendrick just to name two who stimulate our collective consciousness and when in need listen to Ra some Public Enemy public radio college stations also give a better 360 of the art form not being commercial we got options my brother

😂😂😂😂 He dissing that man and it was funny what he said but it’s not Drakes fault that his music can be played from NY to Berlin ,Kids from all different backgrounds like him plus not everyone is from the ghetto

​@@sdotsimbaaa1624Drake perfected the mainstream algorithm, and accepts, all narrative pushing subjects from the labels. Bigger discussion etc. The issue with Drake, and many other "big names " thruout history is character. For example, The groups, "Earth wind and fire" and "the gap band", members were at the L.A. riots, so was dmx. LL Cool J didn't step up, Mc hammer didn't, Not wutang.. etc... Hip-hop, is character, being genuine. That's what Mos Def wanted to point out. I don't defend pedophiles or murderers, do you. Is a greater analogy.

@sdotsimbaaa1624 You don't have to be from the ghetto to appreciate lyrical art or to enjoy storytelling. Clearly it didn't take long for hip hop up to and including rap to speed like wild fire and be embraced by suburbia America and eventually the planet. Think poetry. It is enjoyed all over the world. Now add a beat.

And he writes his own shit.

That nobody knows 🤷🏾‍♂️

mos def is trash

​@@iamdragonettatooWeirdo, like extra weird

yet here we are @@cliffordescott

A rougue employee 😂 shout out to them type of dudes

@@Ceez.TheGallantMy favorites!

Where did he said that? People are saying he called him crackhead but I cannot see anywhere he said that

@@jeanpierregabiro1424 A "bohemian bucket" is slang term for "crackhead"

Drake is just upset because the interviewer asked Mos Def a question and He paused and gave a honest answer He basically was saying Drake is not a rapper He is not really the culture Mos Def is a living legend Drake intelligence isn't in on Mos Def level Mos Def got Writing and Freestyle ability

Like!! 😭😭 It went downhill fast!

I stopped with Ish's hypothetical questions, Didn't wait for any responses. I see the direction this is going. I'm good. ✌🏾

“Quantify”

@@dougedoug2105 No, qualify. If I wanted to quantify it, I'd want to describe my disappointment numerically, which I do not.

Careful who you have expectations of

Although his feature with Wayne on his last album Exodus, you could literally hear the excitement about working with Wayne. I really love that song Who Let the Dog Out. I really love that last album and he got to work with so many great artist in even in his interviews you could tell how humble he was to realize so many artists respect him so highly. It's like he never fully appreciated how amazing he was. There will never be another x.

DMX Lives😊

Kalifornia on the biker boyz soundtrack is 🔥 too

Contet

And you knoooow. Yes you kn-ow. My name black Dante. I can not resist when you walk my way. Your name beauty in the dark. Love that song

Drake would NEVER be able to get a feature like that

At all!

Please stop lmao

@@kcxsmooth stop what?

Mos ain’t doing shit and retired stop gassing people up bunch of instigators

Here yall go…

I was thinking same smfh

Least favorite. Very temperamental and immature.

funny asl after the drake kendrick beef lmaoo

3 months later….

or salty bath water (IYKYK)...

Childish sh.. fax. He always say sh.. like he saying something profound too. Like boy stop.

Every time! 😂

Well said

Very well said

Beautifully said.

When are you guys are going to wake up and see the truth .... these guys are THEM and like them they paid to brainwash you with light-skinned black faces to be ok with them dumbing down and weaponizing our music and culture the fact that Drake is a GUEST and a industry built rapper in our culture, he is not even from this country and he could disrespect one of our icons? - Drake who hand delivered Sexy Red to your children? THIS is why we as a people get no respect ... they can give us MONEY and we will except anything from them.

Nobody wants to hear Drake speak on humanity.. yall barely wanna hear the shit he’s actually great at! What has any rapper speaking up done?? Barack Obama couldn’t even change shit around this bitch but yall want Drake to step up??? For what???? The fuck is Drake gonna do?? Kendrick give messages every album.. the fuck has that done besides make him richer???

No it didnt it made no sense

It definitely made sense...

Whats his argument?

It made perfect sense, but it wasn't that deep.

It made perfect sense, it was deep. STAND for something besides fucking dollars….

So why do other men keep talking about Drake during THEIR interviews???😭😭😭

@isontiller7423 idk but I think they asked him about Drake

@@craigwatlerj6114 “next question move along “

Kinda proves my point

@@isontiller7423great question

First album was 98 Grand champ was 03. Everything after missed the mark. Ice is 100% correct. What are we talking about?

98-03 was X run hasn’t went gold since he a legend his music will live forever but that was his run 5 years

He literally had a 5 year run. 98-03. Year of the dog came out in 06, went #2, 125k sold first week. Cool. Didn’t drop another album for 6 years and it didn’t do well. That’s a 5 year run lol

Because its facts. This is an objective convo with ppl who are fans of both and seen both and studied both in real life. Thats how.

​@@drewlavayand real talk and then there was X was like 60% garbage maybe 70% for real I was freakin hurt after those first 2 albums. 3 album was living off those and the single period.

Dmx was never conscious

@@jfraz1992 No he was when he wanted to be, actually.

And the biggest crackhead too, his art was dope but the man had some demons

significantly less of a run than drake. that's ish's point.

@@jfraz1992you don’t know the definition of conscious 🤣.

Mos is COLD…. 🥶

Bro im sitting here asking myself have any of them actually ever heard Mos Def's music?

It's a new world . Bars don't matter.

I don’t even wanna see that happen because you already know who’s gonna “win” by default, because they have a bigger army of fans

Mos Def would finish Drake

Facts

DMX, for all his fame and success, was a victim of the same system that Mos described. He spoke about it. Drake is a product pushed by that system because he stands where they tell, raps about what they approve of and shuts the hell up on cue.

To adlib.. ppl forget Drake is Jewish and music is Jewish ran. Dont forget Jewish ppl take care of they own

That has some truth to it. Not saying you wrong

The suburbs carry rap in general .

They acting like they don’t know it’s crazy

He did Kendrick

Mos def in his head. After mos def mentionned him and hated on him and it trended for a week.

Mos Def is in the internets head and everyone repeated it thousands of times. Mos Def didn't say this at a party and Drake sought it out.

Right exactly

U niggas kill me yall ask for more from rappers then people u know

and rent free

and Ecstatic is still my shit. “Quiet Dog Bite Hard” is one of my favorite songs ever

Yep but the thing is he's not black so he's not going to

@janetsmith682 His father is black. But point taken I guess. The fact is he is mixed and Canadian. Hip hop at its core is African American expressive genre and culture. Yet Eminem managed and he is fully white but American and grew up in Detroit immersed in our culture. So yeah Drake is missing the components.

drake is a white boy with a tan

Both in red d(ck ride harder for Drake than the femalez

🎯

& he wrote all his sh.. it's not even a conversation

Drake is a pop artist. It's going to sound disengenuise if he just gets in his political activist, Assata Shakur phase.

That’s not obligation nor his brand, every rapper doesn’t speak on issues, majority of rap is about the streets

@jfraz1992 Why you think all the OGs been saying it’s dead?

Drake not obligated to use his voice that way. Boys will say that shit about him, but they not holding boys like Wayne to that standard. Most popular blacks rappers don’t use their voice in that way. And even if Drake did, boys will accuse him of being fake.

Rap and hip-hop are not the same they rap on sesame Street Rakim speaks to elevation of self not glorifying drug selling being righteous holding sisters down not old school but eternal

Commercial bops devoid of lyrical content that speaks truth to power or uplifts or resonates with the marginalized in a meaningful way, in the spirit of hip-hop, is what Drake's music can be credited for. THAT is the point Yasiin Bey was making in that conversations, and I'm embarrassed that this group wouldn't identify that for the sake of the listeners.

Flip literally said it.

That’s because Mos already said it.

They discussed it on the last pod already

Mos called his ish garbage! thats it. no sugar coating it! If drake is garbage and most is no where near the level of drake on real hip hop ish or on the world stage , which means that Mos is that drug dealer who is on his block and think he is the ish, but even then, he wasnt that dude that was even the best on his block doing what he did when he did it, and drake is that cartel that runs the entire ish. Drake started where MOS started and got to be the head boss while MOS is that loser who is still stuck on the block claiming the cartel boss is soft when the cartel boss was on the same block but rose up to be the guy calling the shots instead of the loser taking orders. DMX was hating when he said so! dmx is at the top, but its like saying Jay z is at the top because he is a billionaire, but, they are levels to it. In the world of billionaires, Jay z, is the guy taking out the trash and cleaning the bathrooms so again dmx might have been world wide, but drake is way bigger than he would ever be aned the numbers prove that point

?

He definitely is

And we supposed to value his opinions on hip hop and he dont see the difference in Mos Def and Drakes career.. LMAOOOOOO

No he’s just not going with the popular narrative

@@jfraz1992 Not going with the popular narrative is one thing…altering or changing someone’s statement to make them look a way is another

No one said DMX wasn’t at the top! But he was never Drake!!! Are you being serious?

well said!

This guys are paid to trick us into being ok with they destroying and weaponize our culture ... they disrespect in your face and you THINK its a constructive conversation .... NO ONE on this panel every have a REAL supported opinion.

Exactly broo

Yea the song up in here and his work on the big screen made him global. 💯

X is second to no one foh

Lol that's a big lie. 50, Snoop, Em, Drake and Wayne are above him internationally

And shows how corny Drake haters are😂

@@EazyRocko I don’t hate drake so can’t relate 🤷🏾‍♂️

​@@EazyRocko Damn, you fell right INto the trap 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Just like Drake is, lol.

But DMX did have a 5 year run from 98 to 03. All the other ones after that missed the mark critically and commercially.

But that's all the youngest generations bring up when debating about their fav artists because that's all they can fall back on for today's well known artists. Particularly for today's rappers, the content isn't there. So they can't argue on that point.

@@pArtyiNfo4aLLBecause you can’t argue opinions but facts are irrefutable

🗣️BEEN LAME

They are as deep as puddles 😖

It’s been that way from jump

They been lames 🤷🏾‍♂️

What about you sis?

You just saying that because you're a hater and can't actually explain why he's a joke you're just talking. Anytime there's more than two laughing emojis at the end of a comment 9 times out of 10 he's a clown.

Def don’t write himself lol

@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76😂

@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76this!

100% and it’s incredibly sad to see how Mos Def’s point goes completely over their heads

Wow! This comment hits crazier after the Drake and Kendrick beef, and the fact Drake literally said Kendrick makes slave music (paraphrasing) 🫠

lol the entire internet calls drake trash repeatedly

You need to get a life

💯% Facts 🫡

The internet clown and hate drake more than any artist in hip hop lol, period

THIS ALL DAY

I mean that's the point though. She anticipated that Mos' answer would great some shock wave of some kind and get some significant attention (think Katt in Club Shay Shay).

I agree

That’s a trash take. He chose to say that about Drake. Hold him accountable and have him stand on what he said.

@@FPSLarryIII When did he back down from standing on what he said. At the end of the day, we don't understand why she would ask Mos Def about Drake. They're not in the same realm

She most likely knew that would be his response.

“I can’t believe Drake is this big “

🤦 you know I was thinking about this yesterday and I’m mad as hell I didn’t see this earlier. When this jigga tried to turn “back that ass up” into and R&B song on his second album. Smh 😭 why didn’t I see it then

It’s mind boggling to me

You definitely corny

💯💯🤣😂😭 HE ass🗑 and not hip-hop rap

Mine too, along with black thought, raekwon/ghost, Jadakiss, Andre 3000.

Agreed

Well said

Bohemian Bucket is slang for "Crackhead"

Who is the stud that’s hating on drake ? I never heard his music. I bet he is angry cos he broke.

Hip hop wasn't base on how much money you got😮

@@moxictasculinity Drake is a culture vulture planted by the industry . He’s controlled by the labels who are responsible for paying the ghost writers and who invest in all the promotion plus distribution . Image going to a Drake studio session with all them white folks in the room trying to pick the best writers for the next record . SMH . How many bad albums has Drake released so far . To many .

@moxictasculinity one of Hip hop peeroners of hip hop, yea before your time. Do some research 🤔

@@anthonyhogan1058 bro you can’t spell pioneer ?

mmmm🤔...interesting how much he had to say here considering when they first spoke about this he didn't have this same energy!!????

Ice trippin but Ish's stance is sticking beside his light skin breden.

Which is weird because Joe budden did the exact same thing to Drake as well

the last older MC he went up against, he got bodied. Idk

Highly over looked smh Joe did it to him lol @@t-god2439

But thats the difference though, Drake has not been an "MC" in a long min. Hes been pop. @@menacemakesbeatssomtimes

Drake is not an emcee, he’s a rapper/singer. He would never embarrass himself by attempting to take part in a cypher or one on one battle, that is unless reading your lyrics off of your iPhones is allowed.