So true

Fire analogy.

👌

hahaha its still good when you're drunk or something haha

This is actually the most accurate way I’ve seen him described

He wear dresses with school shooter boots if you listen to anything this dude say you dumb this is like calling the kettle black. 😂😂😂 I mean.. if I could post the Pic on here I would. Yall wild

lol he called drake lil boom

And tbh in a few years, you will lol just like we hear our old folks popular music there now

@@jamesmiller6294that’s an insane entendre

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Just a bitter bozo olehead failed career.

And it made all the sense in the world too which makes it diabolical 🤣🤣

It's not sophisticated

Ironically most def has shopping music

It’s called Hate

That doesnt make any sense because when you get to shopping music, that means you have made it. The one thing haters do but isnt smart enough to realize is, they claim that when you are adored by the masses , you for some reason have sold out because they couldnt do that. Mos Def is only known in a small, let me rephrase that, an extremely small, segment of the game because he wasnt talented enough to go beyond the small block he was on. THATS IT! Its like the drug dealer criticizing the mob boss saying he no longer stand out on the block, hustle on the streets and get shot at and be in the game because now, he sits in his mansion and control the entire cartel and call hits from his private plane .. MOS def is the drug dealer on his block, that couldnt expand beyond his block and drake is that drug dealer who started on a block and now runs the entire cartel in the country. The goal in business is to make money and most def didnt go to school so he had no clue about BUSINESS IN MUSIC BUSINESS!

Hate 😂

LFMAOOOOOOOOO

😂😂😂🤣💀

Right lmaoooo

Sharptowns mall was lit when I live out there

That’s the only Drake album I listen. Total classic and I hate Drake.

AND YET, SOMEHOW DRAKE HAD A REAL CHICAGO STREET NIGGA IN THAT VIDEO WITH HIM. LONG LIVE FREDO SANTANA. BUT I GET WHAT YOU SAYING.

​@@oophorror2251Nothing Was The Same was definitely his best work in my book and I hate Drake lol. I completely gave up on him after Scorpion. He lost his touch a looooong time ago

I be hearing drake at the clubs, bars, festivals, cookouts, boat parties etc. when you're a diverse artist you get played everywhere

​@@WHYOSHOyes, that's what makes him a pop artist

Why was I reading this comment wrong when they actually said it! 😂😂😂

They have a Cinnabon AND Starbies 😱

*Beep!!*

Only hip hop heads understand.

bingo!

P

@@This_Is_SkoobaI think the lames would understand if they stepped out of there feelings

@@thenowwhatshow4142 💯

Full on temper tantra. But it's to be expected... Aubrey audience is a bunch of minors & SKU shoppers 😂

it became the pandering pod now 100%

it's an opinion. and haters seeking validation from famous haters to justify their hate 🤣 you the salty one

No it’s not sis

It’s an opinion that I don’t agree with. Bro got hits outside of that commercial stuff. To generalize him as an artist that way is crazy.

What you’re saying really doesn’t matter it’s still just an opinion

😂😂😂

😂😂😂

Lmao

Joe Budden was an MC

@@swizzy215 a top 3 most underrated ever

if that's the case then it's a stupid/pointless conversation tbh

Mr OVO got more platinum plaques than what Joe got mics. Talking about hip hop. Whens the last time any of these people in this podcast dropped any relevant music tell me ill wait 😂

@@MOBSquadGamingyou didn’t contribute to the conversation you just regurgitated what everyone else says. Is he or is he not?

It turned into a jab as it went on clearly.

We know exactly what he means though 🤣

Shopping at Zara or H&M. Lol

They have everything lol

Shout out to Drew Walls 😂

EXACTLY

💯

Thank Pluto in Aquarius

So in year 2021, 22 23 you weren't truthful and now 2024 you are because KATT says so? 😂

Classic 😑

Rap has become the most popular music genre

It’s popular now, but still a huge difference between commercialized rap, versus hip hop made for the artform.

This was true when Tip said it, not so much now.

That’s his “white” side thats doesn’t want accountability

I think it was more of hos fans.

Ngl if for years niggas I looked up to been hating I’m saying something.

"know yourself"😏😏😏

@@MegaEmperorkingdrake responded by calling him umi says

So after he answered than went deeper into it with the jokes thats not shade and some hate?

THISSSSS!!! My momma taught me criticism is NOT hate and as a result I'm not some insecure sad sack of shit that needs a circle jerk full of yes men to feel validated. This "that's hating" stuff is pathetic. Weak. Beta. Are you a man or nah?

​@ihateflatbunz hate is jealousy. Folks can not be a fan and not be hating. Semantics matter. It's not for him. AND THAT'S OK. Hop out the circle jerk.

Facts

@@ihateflatbunzexactly lol. You can critique without making fun of someone

EXACTLY RIGHT ON POINT MY FRIEND!!

lol nah Drake is a hybrid people need to stop stifling artists in one genre its antiquated thinking

Where’s the evidence for this claim brotha?

Never was a fan-or will be-but this comment ive heard from every drake fan. 😐 i simply say he stunted his own growth. He never evolved but remains relevant off singles that chart. Hes a one hit wonder but with singles. I never saw him as hip hop or a rapper. I saw more R&B appeal than street rapper, hard core lyricist, battle rapper, even trap rapper. Bleep out his curses, hes a kids bop winner... 🤣🤣💀 (sorry not sorry) meaning hes too dam radio friendly.

Crab in a barrel ass.

Problem is we don't know which parts drake did or did not write

Facts!

​@@michaeltadlock1987That part

Drake writes? Sorry wrong meeting.

All the drill music and street music has NO message...drake put bars on relationships very early in his career

What was the message of run dmc- my adidas? Is that not. Classic hip hop track quite literally made to sell products.

Thats hilarious Mos Def wasnt even it when they were out. Tupac was bullying them bums. You NY people think hip hop is just spoken words on hip hop beats. Keep that old washed up trash over there. Drake is hip hop and every other category too. That guys been owning the main stream for decades now

Because Adidas was hot at the time?? What's your point?

You too young to comment on this topic. Go back school and get a job.

Most def is about the culture. Drake is about moving units. To be fair to Drake though I don't have a problem with it. You can't deny the talent. And it's okay to go that route. But when going that route you can never be considered a top 5 or 10 emcee. That's what makes Lil Wayne, Jay z, Eminem so impressive. Cus they have the numbers and they are emcees at its core.

Sounds a little pretentious. Art always gets annoying with the whole purists vs. pop niggas just having fun thing. I think Freddy Mercury said it best, you get tired of making serious songs all the time. Art is about having fun too. Plus, people tend to put Drake in a box when he can do both. He can make fun pop music, but he also has bars and clearly respects and spends time on his craft. I don't get how you can listen to songs like the Middle of the Ocean or If the Shoe Fits and marginalize him as a pop rapper just because the nigga can make a Nice for What as well. It's like mfs pick and choose what side of Drake they want to acknowledge when he's clearly multi-faceted. Respect to Mos Def, but it sounds exhausting trying to take yourself so seriously all the time.

Y’all awfully quiet bout Mos Def posting himself in dresses😂

@SP2Crazy Wasn't there a picture out there of Drake in blackface? 😆

@@This_Is_Skooba but mos def is real rap!! 😭😂

Not at all

Yes he is

drake been trying to be everything he aint. just look at his singing and dance hall beats and tiktok dance music ????wth is that???? i know it aint hihop@@dqbunch

He's yapping

He said you hear Drake music playin in target😂that’s hate

Yes and no...he gave his opinion but went extra with the shopping music comparison.

Giving an honest answer isnt hate, but how you answer the question is where the hate comes in

Preach that! Make a line of clothing and sell it! If you don't agree you have a problem?? That's ignorant to me.

You're absolutely right. Either operate as sheep or you're the problem.

When he started making it into a joke and being funny thats when it became hate.

Bullcrap...we all listened to mos def...

EXACTLY

Deported him ? He’s American wtf u talking about him

@@largegod77been livin in africa the last decade n he changed his name fy been at ?

I'm about to do the same thing 💯

1% for someone who did 1B streams already is just hating.

@@shaunmahlangu1673 guess what if you live in a first world country and listen to music on a streaming platform you pay for on your smart device you are part of the 1%. Music that is made for clubs and music that just speaks about making money is music for the 1% Bob Marley for instance did not make music for the 1% it was about revolution

So does beyonce

He stopped doing that Because everyone was calling him soft now everyone is calling him fake

I don't understand the elegance of the shade, please explain...

Joe is honest about hate 😂 and transparent when it comes to hate

But mos def has never been anyone's favorite rapper 😅

Well joe used to be a hard hater...its the boy who cried wolf. You cant hate for years on end and not expect people to think your opinions are toxic. He shits on every white rapper...but he's dressed like a 16 year old white suburban kid who just started smoking weed for the first time and listening to alternative music

When it comes to Drake.. Joe makes it personal sometimes and thats where the issues stem

It was hate, he compared his music to shopping music

Was he wrong for describing it as is? The depiction was on point...@@jfraz1992

@@jfraz1992he wasn’t wrong

Joe is mid

@@MACUhVelli he called him pop and said he makes Target shopping music. That's shade in the black community.. no matter if you thinnk he was wasnt or was wrong lol

I disagree

And u a hater lol😂

Thank me Later album , views ande scorpion and notwts and so far gone was pure hip hop

but he can't rap

do you disagree that Drake isn't hip hop or that Drake can rap?@@DEEG2535_

It's like that with the NBA too.

@@sxt4447 You're ignorant if you say Taylor Swift can't sing. You may not like her music, but if ur objective then u know she can sing. That is 100% hate if u say that.

@@sxt4447 a debate is not and has never been classified as hate though so...

It's hate when you have to go and tell people how much you dont like it, and try and tear someone down. Mos could have said...."I dont listen to Drake's music...it's not really my style"and moved on. You can at least acknowledege the dudes grind...instead of just shitting on him. Thats just pure jealousy. Trying to clown his music is being a hater. I don't like lil nas x or his music...but i dont spend time talking about him. I try to just avoid him as much as possible. I wasn't aware that Mos made the rules for what is hip hop and what isnt.....last i checked Mos did Plenty of singing on songs....rapped about women as well. Whats the difference?

@@KC-lg8qfcus most def is a true emcee. And Drake is just a rapper. He's just making a point. He was clowning a lil bit. Not gonna lie. And it does sound like hate. But I don't think he's jealous. I jus think he wishes he'd care more about the culture instead of moving units. Cus he knows how important he is so he wishes he can use it more for the culture. Most def coulda went the pop route. He didn't care about that tho. And that's his point. But not everyone is like him and that's what mos def don't understand. Or at least that's how it looks to me from the outside looking in. Look at Lil Wayne, or Eminem, or Jay z, Kendrick Lamar. Those guys stay true to the culture and still have the pop-success. And Drake pretty much goes all the way pop. And I think he doesn't like that. That's all he's saying in my humble opinion.

Facts 💯

I agree with your point! Joe provides his reply giving a broader perspective of what may happen down the road with Drake.

Well he is smart.. look at what happened with Rory and Mal

i would be salty too. Especially if i made better music. Imagine actually believing Mos, method or Joe were better than Drake because they are "purists". Problem is when Drake decides to spit he spits better than all those you mentioned and that's fact. Drake isnt just a better artist than those people, but he RAPS better than all those artists too.

​@@PrinceCortezJones😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 hell no. Drake does not make better nor spit better than any of them. Stop.

Y’all like to conveniently forget about his classic verses and diss records 😅

​@MrEOM41 who drake? His diss tracks lightweight.

​@@PrinceCortezJones As rappers there are Drake lyrically not on dat level but Drake nice

Yeah forgotten but still breaking streaming records 😂

Nothing was The same is a classic .timeless work

@@brunojosuequifanda3733 I mentioned the last few projects. I said that specifically. Honestly Nevermind, CLB, FATD and that one with 21 Savage. Wasn't there a Dark Lane Demo in there as well? All of these were released within the last 2-3 years. And don't get me wrong, I grew up listening to Drake heavy. So Far Gone was played heavily when I was in my early 20s. I loved IYRTITL. But even Drake fans gotta admit although he makes catchy music, the quality of the music has dropped drastically.

Bruh I think you're probably projecting on what YOU would do if you were in the room😅

@@user-rv9hp6bo3y i did smell the seat in her Honda Accord.

@@MassAveStriker Good for you champ

Taylor writes her own music though.

Drake has a shit ton of bar heavy songs just like that bro, check then out, I'm sure you'll fuck with them

Thank you. Drake when he came in could've been R&B and/or hip hop but the more hip hop he tried to be the more pop he got.

I don't think he's ever had a classic due to his rapping ability. Any of his perceived classics and strictly due to the popularity of the music. Personally, I do consider drake to be hip hop. Here's my biggest critique of how he's perceived tho. I'm almost 30. So as a kid, the break consensus greats in no particular order were usually said to be.. Tupac. Biggie. Nas. Jay-Z. Eminem. Lil Wayne. As I got older, let's say the last 15 years or so. Ppl added to that list were drake. Kendrick. Cole. I feel like when you put that whole list of rappers together.. you see some sort of unifying qualities with them EXCEPT for Drake. He gets to be talked about with them on pure popularity. His lyrics aren't highly regarded. His flow isn't highly regarded. His content matter isn't highly regarded. He as a person and who he is and how he influences other young black men to be isn't highly regarded. He's in conversations with those ppl purely off popularity. He's held to a bar that's not the same for the other guys. With that said, again, I do think drake is hip hop. And everyone once in a while drake shows me that he is a dope ass rapper. But even with his BEST rap songs I think he should be ranked right under those guys with other GREAT rappers but not quite the goats. If I could put together a 12 song album of Drake's best raps and no one had heard em yet it would definitely be a classic rap album. But he's not consistent with it bc his main focus is making popular music and not truly impactful music for hip hop core fans.

When the last time anyone dropped one like that outside the ONE Killer Mike dropped

Scary Hour 3 EP because EPs with five or more tracks in The US are considered albums now

Hip hop is the only genre that we declassify you in he was but hes not anymore how does that work.Mos comments comes off as he never was hip hop to begin with and thats the shade.

Well Joe is their superior and also Mel is a female employee working in a male dominated, male curated, majority male-safe space. She understands that there may not necessarily be a hierarchy that exists between she and her colleagues, it’s better to behave in ladylike fashion because as the only female in the room, she represents the minority.

Mels input is the least needed on most subjects so..... Dont cut me off when im about cook!!

Well Joe is the boss so...

@@user-xw4vg1vy5e yeah he's the boss but it shouldn't be so obvious on camera. It just shows he has a massive ego which he needs to manage. They should all be free to express their opinions.

This is the JOE BUDDEN Podcast... not the buddies podcast. She a employee for some things. @@illgoat

fans will swear its not true,but its the most popular genre of music today.

@@ihateflatbunz Not even fans. Just mfs looking to discredit Drake. They would never say this about LL or Busta.

Nah... Maybe the garbage you listen to is 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@westlymiller It's true though rap is the most popular genre of music in the USA by Billboard. And the 2nd part you said can be true.

Yes

🤣🤣🤣

Drake and Doja cat are no where near the same, Drake is a rapper that can do pop records

💯💯

@@jfraz1992that’s exactly who doja is

No they're not one WRITES all of their songs and raps in different styles the other is an entertainer

Neither write all of their songs lol 😂you can’t be this fanned out lol 😂

Yup

Who's most def

yah mama@@certifiedmusiic

Aw she wants attention 😂

He is the culture.

Right

Because Drake realizes it's the black community that give him the cool factor in order to sell the mainstream audience. If he looses the stamp from the black audience, the mainstream will slowly loose interest in him as well

@@jesussinaloa9300lol black people give him the most ish and nobody gives af what the black community thinks about their personal music taste. You’re obsessed with this corny ish.

@@oophorror2251you must be lost. Black people are the most inspirational so yes people watch & copy.

@@Deedeejj you’re a racist.

This is FUCKINGGGGGGGGGGGGG ABSOLUTELY PROSPEROUS IN THE BEST WAYYYYYYYYY😂😂😂

Damn that's bars!!

If he does Hip Hop how is he not Hip Hpp?

@@jasonau427 remember when Mylie Cyrus did hip-hop with Juicy J? She can do hip-hop, but she’s not hip-hop.

Bro Drake has classic rap collaborations and singles he literally has the abc AM... In a specific location, the scary hour drops you guys love to hate because his diverse with it

@@beeceezm9837 more than 50% of his material has him singing in it. He’s pop.

Then what was his first 2 mixtapes wit 9th wonder. That wasn’t real hip-hop?? lol

It's not allowed. Drake is Jewish. 😅

It's seen as hate when people say ridiculous things and throw shade for no purpose. You can say you dont like his music without saying some dumb shit like it's meant for shooping. Knowing that every rapper in history had to make some songs more commercially viable. So i guess Jay-z is pop then.....when you are actively trying to be disrespectful it's because you are jealous and a hater. If you dont like something...just say " it's not for me...or say nothing. When you have to make posts online....trying to tear him down...throw shade in interviews.......thats hate. and it's ok to be hater.......just dont pretend that you are not a hater.

@@KC-lg8qf why does it have to be hate, why cannot not be his opinion??? Some of drakes music IS so insignificant,it IS akin to background music u hear in shopping centres, it’s not hate to say so , it’s an opinion , which I share but like I said earlier it’s like we are not allowed to dislike his music without being labelled a hater & YOU’VE just proved the point 🤷🏾‍♂️

@pipes7120 I never said you cannot dislike his muisc. My message was quite clear. f you dont like something, then pay it no mind. What Mos did is the very definition of being a hater. Talking down on someone else's accomplishments because you dont like what they do is being a hater. AGAIN its ok to be a hater....just aknowlede that you are a hater. Don't throw rocks and hide your hand. Bro couldn't wait to start running his mouth like a female. So happy to be talking about Drake....almost as if he begged he to ask him that question. He had a whole routine lined up.... Imagine spending time in an interview talking about something you claim is not worthy of being talked about? There's nothing wrong with not liking something, but when you start to campaign against it, you are a hater. If you are a hater, just be a Hater. Everyone is so scared to be called a hater....

@@KC-lg8qfYou are spot on💯. What irritates me is how people disregard his tone and facial expressions while he’s describing Drake. Imagine the hate drake would get if he spoke on a NY rapper like this. Most of these people are literally praying on Drakes downfall.

Those dudes give me some hope real hip hop will live on

Facts😂🤦🏾‍♂️

He don’t wanna get blackballed again lol

It was funny 😂 hear how they caving when Jay z was brought up for doing the same thing 😂

@@UnrulyRebel-hd2pl they started bringing up philanthropy work lol like nigga he didn’t say that he said rap not charity work lol they shook up there to talk about anyone powerful