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Somehow almost started crying reading this. Great description.

That's one of the greatest references here

Thats... not how that happened...

@@TechNMusic Pyra's traits are basically a response to the various insults made towards Mythra. For example: Mythra sucks at cooking => Pyra's an amazing chef.

@@seant1326 Mythra created Pyra as a response to the trauma she brought down on Torna. In the heat of the battle, victory was all that mattered, but as soon as the battle finished and she was able to witness the aftermath and how she played a major role in it, Mythra had a mental breakdown that caused her to hate herself so much that she hid her entire being behind a false identity (Pyra). The teasing about her cooking and Addam's trying to get her rough edge's smoothed out laid the framework for Pyra. But, the destruction of Torna was the catalyst.

@@TechNMusic this sounds an awful lot like the white phosphorus scene from spec ops the line

its like: first playthrough pyra is best girl after torna and replay mythra is best girl and even beyond

Thank you, man! I think Xenoblade is one of the best series at making the battles feel involved both gameplay and character-wise. I can't express enough how much I love the switch animations from Torna for looking cool and showcasing character personalities. Duly noted, I'll make sure to watch out for that in the future episodes. Thanks for the feedback!

Mythra: haha titan go boom

More like- Addam: You can't destroy Torna! It's my homeland, thousands will die! Mythra: haha titan go boom

We need this!

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed!

For things like cooking, as the Aegis, she could have probably downloaded the skills directly from Jin. For things like personality quirks, well... there are actually people who do just that.

simple: pulled data from the collective pool of data that is the core crystals. The Trinity Processor (Pneuma, Logos, Ontos) is the location where all the data goes, so she could've easily pulled related data for the personality skills from that pool of data.

The video has a Gordon Ramsey background at that point, but I think you can think of it as Mythra being one of those arrogant chefs on one of his shows. She's reckless, uncaring and arrogant - qualities that make a terrible chef. She's a learned chef (having all the information about living creatures, after all), not a good one. She would serve raw, unseasoned fish and think it is amazing, then blame the customer's taste buds when they complain.

People who have disassocitive identity disorder are like this. The other personality have their own well...personalty, interests, talents, range of facial expressions, and even react differently to medicines and have allegies - or lack - the original does not. Pyra is everything mythra is not and wishes she was more like. She knows she's not easy to put up with. Imagine if changing forms wasn't a thing and "pyra" went off on rex, sword changes, and she suddenly starts commanding the light element. I'd be unnerved as hell at the sudden shift. The form change just makes it easier for the player to understand when the other personality is in control.

It's similar to how Doppio and Diavolo is in JoJo's Bizzare Adventure spoilers from Persona 5 Royal. The other self is born from a traumatic experience and may have a different body type, tastes or even "age" of the original. Spoilers: Sumire and Kasumi in Persona 5 Royal.

I think this is a very valid point! To me, Mikhail was a character that was the best of the XC2 Torna side characters, but I feel that he never had much time to shine. TTGC definitely boosted him, and since his response to Mythra at the end is a catalyst to the creation of Pyra it would've led to an interesting dynamic in the base game.

@@KayJulers Could you explain to me why you would consider mikhail the best in torna? To me he was this shallow womanizer, it felt like he liked patroka only because she was the girl in the group, there wasn't any chemistry between them Yes, there was something in his past that happened with amalthus and he is definitely in torna because of jin, it was somewhat clear that he didn't like malos But they never did something with it, or thats how i feel about it Having a line in his death, where he is ?nostalgic? ?melancholic? About the past, isn't doing something with it, imo In ttgc he was the kid with trust issues and just when milton was about to make him open up more, he died So when he sees mythra, he should have had a strong response I think there is something missing Not trying to hate or anything, but i'm just kinda disappointed Xenoblade 2 is my favorite game and mikhail is the only character i don't like So i would love to hear something that changes my mind about him But great video anyway, i loved the nia burn :p I didn't want to turn this into my mikhail rant, but i want to hear different perspectives, so maybe that's the place And if any language usage on my part was wrong entschuldigung, me not english native speaker

@@tugaygunes4816 Sure! Disregarding Jin and Malos because I adore them, I personally didn't really connect with Ahkos and Patroka. As for Mik, I found him a bit better in the base game design wise and having a history connected back to the Aegis War, yet still nothing spectacular. However, I think Torna is a great addition for showcasing how Mik has evolved from a quiet, timid child into someone that is much more self-confident and sure of their place in the world. Even if being a womanizer isn't the best way to showcase it in exchange for thorough, deep dialogue, I think it does give him some form of development. As for his reaction to Mythra at the end of TTGC, it might serve more to progress Mythra's character, but I think it really cements that Mik is damaged. He lost the one person he could relate to in age and world experience, so who can he relate to? I think it's the catalyst leading to his hatred of humanity in conjunction with the assault on Spessia. I think Jin's allegiance to Malos likely influenced his decision to join New Torna heavily. Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree with the sentiment that Mik could've gotten more development and I'm not in love with his character, but I think Torna does add to him. No worries about the rant and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

@@KayJulers thx for the response :)

Thank you! I currently have episodes on one Xenoblade and two non-Xenoblade characters in the pipeline, so I'm looking forward to those.

Being connected to an entity that can literally make imagination real makes it something a bit different from DID, especially since Mythra and Pyra end up being separate entities with their own bodies.

(Alluded to Reddit comment) I personally like Pyra more than Mythra, but it is interesting to analyze Mythra’s character and compare it to Pyra’s. Mythra is indeed rude and standoffish, especially when compared to the sweet and gentle Pyra, but both of them struggle with emotional intimacy and trust. Remember that their original end goal was to ask the Architect to let them die, and Rex remarks to Pyra after Vandham’s death that he’s glad that she finally has opened up a little, so the characters notice Pyra’s unwillingness to be open as well. Mythra showcases this in a different way in order to achieve the same result. Mythra’s general attitude is certainly somewhat rude, and she would oftentimes brush off the other members of the party. However, such actions actually make sense in the context of her situation. She’s stuck in the present with memories of the past, specifically her times with Addam and the crew, and she, like Pyra, feels intense pain from those memories. For her, bonding with other people will only result in suffering, as she has seen the only people she had cared about (before Rex and crew) die without her even present. Even then, her fondest relationship, Addam, wasn’t perfect either; he remarks to Rex that he was never able to unlock the true power of the Aegis because he feared it. How do you think it would feel for Mythra (and Pyra) to know that even her driver, the hero of legend, was afraid of her? Mythra remarks multiple times throughout the story how insecure she is about her power and how wishes she never had to use it again. Mythra also showcases disbelief that Rex would even be interested in getting to know her better, as shown during that scene while the gang was chasing Lila. It’s possible, or even likely, that Addam and the old gang never actually did that, i.e. wanting to get to know her better. Even if they did, those memories would likely be painful to her, and she might not believe that such happiness is worth the pain that would ensue when she inevitably chooses to kill herself. These memories and experiences all play into why, as she states, “I didn’t want to come back!” Thus, Mythra’s actions as someone that intentionally avoids emotional intimacy and honesty make sense. She is deeply compassionate, as shown by her crying at Tora and Soosoo’s reunion and her brief conversation with Poppi in Morythra. She also cares deeply for Rex, as shown by her awakening her power to save him despite how desperately she wanted to avoid living again. More likely than not, Mythra wants to be emotionally intimate, but she is probably either unused to the concept (see Addam) or too scared to invest in a relationship that she thinks will only end in tragedy. After all, it’s easier to say goodbye to someone you never cared for. It’s even easier to do so if you believe that they never cared about you, either. All of this plays into why Rex’s “JOIN MEEEEEEEE” speech was so meaningful to her. She (and Pyra) never expected Rex to care for her as much as he does, and it was only then that she able to let go of the “fear she carries,” both of her power and of her relationship with Rex. This is why it was quite touching to me when she exclaimed “I’m Rex’s Blade!” In response to Amalthus’s trying to control her. In that moment she not only fully embraced her power as an Aegis but also her bond with Rex. I’m not saying that Mythra isn’t rude or unrepentant, and you are certainly within your rights to dislike her for those qualities. This whole thing is not in anyway a justification for her behavior, but merely a means to understanding it. I think that it’s important to consider Mythra’s backstory before judging her character, for there’s honestly quite a lot there that the game leaves unspoken. Edit: I broke this up into more paragraphs so that it’s easier on the eyes, and I’m also realizing that I like Mythra a lot more than I thought I did. I guess it took someone disliking her for me to realize that.

Also 0:55 As always there will be ophion size spoilers. New players, what's an ophion?

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I cannot fully speak for Rudra on his thoughts, but here's take: I think to consider them as separate characters inhabiting the same person (as unusual as that might sound) isn't inaccurate. The language used in discourse between them I believe is indicative of that as well as the physical representations that are seen at the Cliffs of Morthya and in the final cutscene. For example, Mythra says, "For the sake of the world abandon us," and I think the use of "us" over something like "me" would lead to the conclusion of them being different entities/personalities. I by no means believe that they are completely independent as I mention they are the two parts that comprise the Aegis. I also think that both Mythra and Pyra appearing as separate selves instead of as the whole Pneuma in the final cutscene speaks to their nature. There's an interview with Takahashi where he mentions, "...one of these female characters," which to me leads me to consider them as separate entities in the narrative that compose the one person we know as the Aegis. Resources like the Xenoblade Wiki also label the two characters as one of the two deuteragonists to the story and I associate that with the term, character. That's typically how I viewed their dynamic. Regardless of the situation, thank you for your comment as this is the kind of discussion that I think character analysis encourages and the Pyra/Mythra situation isn't your run-of-the-mill scenario.

Thanks for the feedback! Was the quality dip you noticed in the transitions between us? Just curious so I can look to improve my content.

@@KayJulers I just felt like it happened kind of at random, most of the time if not always to Rudra. It wasn't a deal breaker or anything, but since you asked for criticism I thought I'd might as well nitpick a bit. In any case, keep up the great work.

KaiSaeren Jin was scaring Rex into giving up.

Thanks for the comment. When I discuss Pyra as a creation of Mythra, I don't mean that the two are completely separate and unable to display emotions/characteristics of the other side. As you said, Mythra is certainly a troubled individual that hides her emotions deep down. However, I think that the two characters outwardly show dominant personality traits, and Mythra's outwardly hot-headed and confident. Mythra even says in Chapter 3 regarding Pyra's existence that, "she's a separate self that I constructed," and it would make sense that this self was made to not only contain or limit her Aegis powers, but hide away unwanted qualities. I do think that discussing both Pyra and Mythra in large offers a much clearer picture, but I think that there is merit to discussing the individuals since there's some much material to work with and Mythra is in the spotlight for the almost the entirety of Torna since it's a pre-Pyra world.

@@KayJulers I can respect this view point, and you explained it very well in your video, but to me they truly are one and the same. Mythra's hot-headedness can also be seen as a hidden feeling of Pyra, Rex even comments that she can be pretty stubborn as well. And through Pyra, I think we can see that Mythra's confidence is just a facade. If Pyra is indeed a personification of her "other hidden self", her concealed emotions, then Mythra really isn't confident deep down, and I think that's the case. Regarding Mythra's line in chapter 3 about how she constructed her, I doubt she really consciously made her so she could be an ideal version of herself, she'd have to be aware, but at that point she's completely breaking down. I think it has to be her subconscious creating Pyra, and just as Mythra lets all of her emotions burst out through her scream, she's "bursting out" Pyra out of herself and she takes over. I think the confrontation with Malos further hints at this, Malos tells her how « You’re just like me » and « I will bring it out of you » because he is convinced that an Aegis’ role is to destroy mankind, so he expects her to let it all out, reveal her true self and join him in his game. Instead, what comes out of her in the aftermath is Pyra. She indeed is nothing like Malos, deep down she’s very caring, she’s Pyra (just as she is Mythra). And when Mythra tries to use her true power, only the third sword appears, she doesn’t turn into her true form, instead she enters a stoic state, devoid of emotions, which is what she couldn’t express, what is missing.

Yep, have to agree with you. I agree with a lot of points in the video, but "Pyra being everything Mythra is not" just isn't accurate. You can't have one without the other.

He's not saying they are separate people, they are the same person, but they are different sides of the same person. The events of Torna basically created a sort of conscious DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) within Mythra, thus creating Pyra.

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Pyra's my personal favorite of the Xenogirls (but you didn't hear that from me)

@@KayJulers I like Pneuma the most myself.

@Minicle Best of both worlds, am I right?

PYRA GANG!

It's Canon now

Yes, aggression and rudeness

@@skylandersfan6954 Hehehe

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I swear, it's always the people with Banjo profile pictures that have the bad opinions.

Are you sure you watched the video?

She is more complex than you think.