Lucky to have that cheap of a bike shop service. Good on you though, I knew a double amputee that was LDS Mormon missionary and had a recumbent rowing trike he rode around. Was really cool.

STORM TROOPER yeah, some of the bike lanes make it better... some don't. Sometimes I would rather there isn't a badly made bike lane on some streets. (there is a mandatory use law here ... so if there is a bike lane you are supposed to use it unless there is some safety issue... debris in the lane or cars blocking it... or whatever). I don't know if a too narrow bike lane or one that is right next to parked cars (in the door zone) legally applies to being able to not ride in it... but sometimes safety is most important!

it is still nice when cyclist gets their own lanes. its much safer that way.

dregerclock "some don't" is sure correct ... bike lanes give a false sense of safety

mason lane that's true. I never assume that just because I have a line of paint that I am are there. I always keep an eye on things with my mirrors when I am legally required to be in the bike lane and when there is not a safety reason to get out of that requirement. Honestly... most streets that cities have added bike lanes to would be safer or as safe without the line painted. at least then the cyclist would have the right to choose a safer position.

@@zuvarian true it also gives a false sense of being safe to pass. You get a lot more close and dangerous passes that way especially with a lot of the terrible “painted gutter” type lanes shown in this video.

Yep... Although the trike is probably only slightly wider than my shoulders and arms... and thus only slightly wider than the width a road bike rider would have, motorists seem to think I am 8 feet wide and generally I get more room from them. Taking the lane gives them great incentive to change lanes to pass me.

I think this video is about 7 years old and I don't know that I even had the tech to put live speedometer data on the video back then. But I also kinda feel (personally) like the on screen speedo is distracting from the video itself.. just me maybe. Thanks for watching!

Yeah, I think trikes were made for hills... they are not fast climbers but they can climb with their low gears and no need for balance... and ability to stop and start on a hill without unclipping. Plus... they are in their natural element on downhills!

Thanks... always fun to take my viewers along on a ride!

how much to buy

if you mean 'stand up' by 'power up hills' then thats cheating lol. ive not yet seen a comparison of a road bike v fast trike (ie catrike 700) climbing where both remain sitting. i suspect there would be little difference (lower weight vs better power transfer)

Yes. Bikes go up hills more easily. I will be test riding a TRIOT recumbent trike in March and want to see how easily it will pedal up hills with their more upright seating position.

Suspension booooo

@@kishascape yeah I am glad mine is without suspension, so I don't have any power loss climbing hills... and most of hte roads and trails I ride are generally smooth. If I was riding gravel or bumpier roads I can see having a suspension that you can also lock when you want it for climbing.

Yep. Thankfully there are some good wide lanes and shoulder space here, but we do have to be on alert for drivers that is for sure. It must be beautiful out there near Cap Cod! I would love to see what it is like out there. I think I visited there once when I was a kid on family vacation but I don't remember a lot about it.

dregerclock i will post a video while riding Old Silver Beach path from Falmouth to Woods Hole along the beach looking out at Marthas Vineyard ...it is quite the view. Fortunately we have miles and miles of dedicated ,,isolated no traffic paths here on the Cape. 100% safe!.

@@markfeldman6509 cool... i subscribed and set the alert on your channel so I can see it when you put it up! Sounds wonderful

@dregerclock What is the lowest gear ratio that you have used for very steep hills? I am building a trike and wonder what is a comfortable range. And what is a dregerclock?

Yeah, on a two wheeler you do want to mostly apply rear brakes (or more than fronts) so you dont flip over the handlebars. On a trike you still want to moderate the two front brakes because you can tip forward on the fronts and hit hte boom or in severe cases flip you forward out of the seat. On bikes if you apply rear brakes too hard (lock up the wheel) you will skid sideways in the rear which most two wheel riders can handle, on a trike... a rear brake lockup would also slide the rear right or left like that, but it would be harder to control because the trike would tend to roll over when it got sideways and could be very dangerous. that is why trikes use the front brakes and if it has a rear brake it is just for "parking" brakes primarily. (can be used gently as a drag brake) ... so yes, takes a little getting used to using both front brakes on a trike, but when you learn the feel of them it can be very useful in turns to slow the inside of a turn wheel more than outside to maintain all three wheels on the ground! Ride safe and enjoy!

Anaheim Hills... I think they have a law making potholes illegal. :-P too rich there to leave potholes laying about. LOL.

:-)

Zahari Stoyanov yeah here we are supposed to stay as "far to the right as is practicable" ... which kinda leaves what is safe to the rider. if there is not room for a car to pass in the same lane with 3 feet of clearance or more... cyclists can use the full lane to discourage close passes. Unfortunately, although it is a law, many drivers don't know it. but most drivers will also just naturally make a full lane change to pass if they see you in the lane like this. ;-)

+dregerclock That's been my experience. Most drivers will wait until it's very clear to pass on roads with no lane and only a small shoulder, though admittedly, I avoid such roads whenever I can, happy to take a detour to avoid them.

+Art Scott Yep... it is always preferable to choose roads where you will have less conflict and traffic. But sometimes you just gotta go on a road with more traffic. At first it seems very weird and scary but I have found that most roads (other than high speed streets) I am more than comfortable riding.

+dregerclock I used to be forced to choose roads... then I got an ICE Full Fat. It reminds me of the old Back to the Future line: "Roads? Where we're going we don't need... roads." :) Of course, because of the gearing I don't have the top speed you would, or I would have on a Sprint X or Vortex, but then the Sprint X, Vortex, et. al. won't go where the Full Fat does.

best thing I can compare riding a trike to: a Go Cart, especially downhill! They are great for distance because your sitting in a comfortable seat, no strain on arms, back, or neck (your head it up and looking forward not straining to hold your head up like on a road bike). Your leg muscles are doing the muscle work while your core is doing the breathing and blood pumping, so I find it great for endurance riding. Also, hill climbing, while slower than other bikes does allow you to climb at your own pace without worrying about balance, and it is geared to climb like a mountain goat... and even stop without un-clipping from the pedals, and get going again. ;-)

Thanks man. Appreciate the insight. Can't wait til I test ride one of these. I hear ICE trikes are the best.

V Fly well I think "best" is in the eye of the beholder. There are a lot of good brands and models depending on what you want in a trike. ICE has some trikes with suspension systems of various types and most can fold up too. I think most ICE trikes us a linkage steering system . Catrike has some great trikes, some with suspension and some with folding some solid hard tail frame. Catrikes are all DIRECT steering. Then there are others like HP Veloteknic and Azub whith even fancier all around shock absorption systems. Some brands and models focus on speed, some on comfort, some are built more for touring riding... so you kinda need to think about how you will want to ride and what features you would want in a trike. www.utahtrikes.com has a great catalog of different brands and models and that could help you see what there is out there. but best is to test ride more than few and figure out what you like most. also www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/index.php is a great forum of recumbent riders of all types and very helpful for asking questions and getting answers.

+dregerclock Good call with Bentrideronline. I AM partial to ICE and HP Velotechnik, myself, but that's more because of resale than anything else. They seem to fly on the resale market whereas I haven't seen that with Cattrike or Terra Trikes. ICE is also VERY hands on when you're ordering your trike. Patrick there has talked me through two very custom builds (100% disabled vet here).

hmmm well... I would be concerned about the higher center of mass and delta wheel configuration... for tip over concerns. but... I guess different riding styles. the "see if on youtube" makes me think this is just an advertisement posting!

Hmm.......Lets agree to disagree. Bicycles have an even higher CG than the Trivek and yet are quite safe at speed through bends . Why is that ? Because the Trivek frame and lean geometry has the same functionality as a bicycle it operates in the same way at speed through bends and when manoeuvering. Furthermore , my engineering friend has ridden several low CG tadpoles and has managed to flip them. As for advertising it was a simple comment.

check out craigslist in your area, that way you can try them out before you buy them

+ray02946 good idea, thank you Ray!

+Thomas cleary hope you got my response from six months ago Thomas. any luck finding trikes to test ride yet?

+dregerclock yes thank you. I finally found a store that had all the variations of the trikes and I rode them all. they are just so darn expensive I can't justify spending the money to get one unfortunately.

Thomas cleary I saw a review for an electric assist trike that way under $ 3000. If you can get back into shape and have electric for those long or tough days perhaps it could reduce wear and tear on your car and help justify the cost? just a thought.

Yeah well... I blame gravity. :-)

uh ok whatever

WHooo HOO!

Depending on your budget... I would say if you can afford one of their upper level models, an ICE trike is nice. Their lower end models are more upright and high sitting which is not as good for speed but better for visibility. I ride a catrike and love it. all their models are great and fast. I recomend the Expedition or Road... 700 is great too... more on a level with the high end ICE VTX. I have no experience with Greenspeed. Terratrike is good, lower costs and great starter trikes... personally I prefer my Catrike over my old Terratrike.

normand gallant - ^^ agree. you do want to make sure you use on of the methods of attaching your feet to the pedals. SPD cleats and pedals... or something. Last thing you want to do is have your foot pop off the pedals while you are moving, hit the ground and get sucked under the cross arm of the trike! SNAP! I use SPD shoes/cleats and pedals.

+dregerclock That answers that question. I don't understand how or why people insist on riding a trike without clips. I certainly use my leg muscles as much pulling back on the pedals as I do driving my leg forward on them. To me, it makes up for a lot of what we lose by not being able to just use our weight to pedal.

yep. I have had to pedal my trike before with just pedals when i forgot to get my spd cycling shoes... and man you get so used to pulling hte pedals that it is hard to just push them without being attached. you start to do it automatically and don't realize how much that adds to your power.

dregerclock Right? My BFF just got a trike (after fighting me about it for a long time) and she's yet to get bike shoes, yet to cleat in, or clip in (or whatever you want to call it). She doesn't quite understand the importance of it yet. Much like you, the couple times I tried to ride without clips, at least after riding with them for so long, seemed as though I was laboring intensely, and that needn't be the case. I can't really understand why someone would fight it so much, especially on a trike. On a bike, which can tip over, I can get the fear of falling over, not being able to unclip fast enough, but on a trike, this isn't even a 2nd thought.

hills are great... build your endurance faster than miles... and there is a downhill at the top! ;-)

Got my new Terra Trike Sportster GT SL and the worse hill was 2 mph with my broken hip. On flats I hold about 16-18 mph for several miles and about 19-20 on flat sprints for about 1 or 2 miles. I am most comfortable at about 15 mph. Going down a curvy hill I was doing 19 mph breaking because of a slow bicycle in front of me but I could have easily passed him. This same hill I would take at 24 to 27 mph on my cycle cross bike.

Worse on 2 wheels. I've his 47 MPH and hit a hard and big bump when I went over a bridge. That is worse.

fubar yeah.. I ran over a manhole cover that was not exactly flush to the road once... coming down a hill at 35 or 40... it popped me in the air on the trike... but I made a 3 point landing on the other side and laughed all the way down the hill about it!

Well.. mostly depends on your conditioning more than the trike. In general they are probably a little slower than upright bikes, although there are some lighter weight, built for speed trikes that with the well conditioned riders can compete. If I am just cruisin' and doing distance I am probably averaging only 11-12.. if I am riding hard maybe in the 16mph range... sprinting ... 18 - 22 for short bursts or with some flat or downhill. Steep downhills... have had it to 52 mph!

well, whatever gear makes it possible... but if you go to the lowest gearing you need to maintain a good peddling pace [don't worry about your actual moving speed... just as long as you can maintain a peddling pace that is comfortable.] I don't know what gearing is on a Catrike trail, but basically smallest ring in he front and largest cog in the back is your lowest gearing.

Thanks for your help, fan in Canada will continue to watch

+MARTIN HUTCHINSON Check out the I.C.E. trikes... (ICE - Inspired Cycling Engineering) which are made in GB. The trikes we have here in this video are Catrikes made in US... both are great brands but since you are over there ICE might be a good choice for purchasing prices.

Yes thank you i am looking at ice bikes What i am trying to find out is people likes and not like about these bikes 1 going up hills is a problem so possible elec motor , low gears , or the best one get of and push 2 People can not see you as you are so low one big flag should do that Is there anything else you can add

+MARTIN HUTCHINSON well... 1) trikes are geared like mountain bikes so you have a very low gear for climbing steep hills. Not super fast but I have never had to walk it up a hill. Plus, climbing hills on a trike (as apposed to a two wheeler) you can actually stop, rest and go again... no tipping over, no need to try to clip into the pedals again to go. 2) the Too low no one will see you thing is a myth. if you drive your trike where you are visible (in my case in the traffic lane of a street -- check with your local traffic laws -- iti s legal here) you will be seen and honestly I get more room and respect from drivers of cars on my trike than my bike. They change lanes to pass rather than buzz me! 3) Suggestions for safety equipment... for sure some way to secure your feet to the pedals (SPD clipless or straps or something), HIGH INTENSISTY lights... daylight bright like 400 Lumins or better (I suggest Dinnotte Lighting brand), A flag can be useful for some places like parking lots have bad sight lines and visiblity but generally I think lights that are bright enough are better than flags on the road..

Hi thank you for all that info i have been contacted by ice bike so i hope i will be on the road soon i have a youtube canal martin hutchinson and my email is martinhutchinson99@yahoo.co.uk skype is martinhutchinson11 and twiter is @MARTIN11CITY if you like to share anything more about the bike i would alway be happy to hear from you or anybody

umm... not really sure if it gives me anything better / worse / or different ... but I find the recumbent position more comfortable, and more fun.

Your legs look amazing

stephanie layne well i supposed the recumbents do require more leg muscle since your waste, upper body and are not doing as much. and it does take a bit to get used to a slightly different muscle group action on the trike vs a conventional bike. you of course can't stand on the pedals to get up a hill either. ;-)

+dregerclock You don't think arms too? I've certainly been white knuckling it when going over 40MPH, really careful about the handling.

+Art Scott ahhahaha! Yeah.. that and pumping up flats are the only exercise my arms get!

+Robert Krause I have tried a number of different tires on my trike... Durano, Continental (dont recall the model), Kenda Kwest, and several of the Marathons.. I think these seen in the video are Marathon Racers if I am not mistaken.

+dregerclock I'm really liking the Schwalbe Big Apple Plus. At 35lb pressure, they do not give any drag. I also get a bigger diameter 2.13 which does two things. More stable at even faster speeds, and they have built in shock absorbers. Plus (they have green puncture protection) Love them. I'm jealous of your rides. I don't have many riders to go on long rides with. Are you coming to Portland, OR? We have some great paved trails to ride. :)

+Robert Krause dont see me getting up to Oregon any time in the future. but happy riding up there to you.

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dregerclock Thanks! nicely done

Whatever. There were hills and it was a route. I did not say mountains.

Depends on the distance. Really a workout is a workout. Health and having fun are more important.

fubar Agreed. I don't really ride for the exercise... I ride because it is fun. Exercise is just a happy side effect!

+fubar Absolutely! After getting a trike, I found myself putting more miles on it, and riding it more often than I drove my car. Of course, FL is great for 365 days a year riding and not all states are.

+Art Scott yep. California ... same thing... riding season is pretty much year round. Although we are due to get a LOT of rain if what the weathermen say is true.

Rubbish! kvaDrug looks like a wheelchair

well some of those downhills we probably got up to 45 mph ... fastest I have EVER done was about 51 or 52 mph... nornal riding speed on flat land is about 15-16-17 ish... over distance more like 10 or 13 uphills more like 2.5 to 8 mph depending on the steepness

+Susie Q not awful... can be tiring yes. But trikes are nice for climbing since you can stop... rest... and go again without dealing with balancing. These were some pretty good hills of 10% and greater so... yeah they tire you out a bit.

dregerclock True, never thought abut being able to stop. I live on the Niagara Escarpment. You want to see hills come here!

My trike is an older (2010) model Catrike Road. If you find a used trike for sale you can get one for a cheaper price. But for $500... the cheapest NEW ones I know of are the low end Terratrike Rover ... but it depends on the kind of riding you want to do.... flat trails they would be ok i guess... but not for doing the hills you see in this video. what kind of riding (purpose, distance, hills, trails, streets, how high or stright up and down you would want the seat... )

dregerclock i got a tornado t8 thanks!

+Diane Pedrick Are you enjoying it?

mason lane yep. Unfortunatly too many bike lanes are substandard in size, or more dangerous than other options. but that is why most states allow exceptions to the use of them if it is not safe (things blocking or hazardous in the lane, if there is not room for a car to pass without coming within 3 feet... etc. I agree Mason. Sometimes the bike lane is more dangerous than the lane. sorry to hear about your two friends.

dregerclock Thanks...Naples Fl is a very dangerous place to cycle. There were 726 cycle deaths from vehicles in 2012...cycling makes surfing with sharks look super safe. My point, like yours, is that many many bike lanes are a cruel invitation to death and horrible injury. www.naplesnews.com/news/local-news/ride-urges-cyclists-motorists-to-share-the-road_37079668

mason lane until i looked at the article I thought you meant 726 cycle deaths in Naples Florida, but it says nationwide. Not that that is not tragic and wrong... The other thing, I wish the press and cyclists and others would stop calling them "accidents"... they are collisions, crashes, Negligence, and ASSAULTS in many cases! most are not "accidents"... they are totally preventable if people would realize cyclists are human beings who are vulnerable, and yet legal users of the road. calling most of these "accidents" just makes it seem like "oh well, too bad, so sorry it was not really the motorists fault or the cyclists fault"

dregerclock Ditto on the "accident" BS .... the press makes it sound like, ooops just another "accident" and dead or maimed cyclist. Most people/cyclists don't realize cycling is the most dangerous and by far deadly sport activity. I think the attitude that a cyclist has that says, "I have the right of way" is a sure prescription to be killed or maimed by some mindless cretin, drunk, french fry muncher, or texter driving a multi-ton vehicle. Very few cities are making the effort to provide cycling safety like Portland OR. They actually have "bicycling lanes" here in Naples we call death trails...these are a couple feet wide in the middle of very busy and treacherous traffic. www.travelportland.com/article/bike-safety-tips/

mason lane not sure I am in 100% agreement on the comment about "cyclist has that says, 'I have the right of way' is a sure prescription to be killed " ... True, a cyclist has to be ready to give up right of way to avoid problems, but riding visible and obeying right of way laws makes cyclists more predictable and safer in my view. Infrastructure planning alone can't keep cyclists safe. The cyclist needs to be educated about what is safe and what "seems safe" but really is not. This is one of the best programs I know of and they are in Florida too. cyclingsavvy.org

OK.... Whatever.

Your argument is that 1) they are geared low 2) you can stop and rest and 3) you don't need to unclip when you stop and rest. My diamond frame touring bike is geared lower than my tadpole. On it I can shift riding position, using different muscles and and stand on the pedals, throwing my bodyweight into it, all advantageous Stopping to rest halfway up a hill robs you of all momentum and should be avoided if at all possible. It would be one thing if you were taking the position that it is POSSIBLE to climb hills on a trike, but you are claiming that recumbent trikes are GOOD for climbing. Don't get annoyed when someone demonstrates this is incorrect using reasonable arguments.

I am not saying they are BETTER than anything for climbing. Just that they have abilities that they are able to do so. And their element is the downhill... which means you have to get up to the top first. and you dont have to walk it up. That is all. Your definition of "GOOD" must be different from mine. Some people dont want to power up a hill they want to know they can climb it at a pace they an do.

I will climb a mountain on anything including this trike, providing it has the proper gearing to do so! And I keep my engine in good shape.

Trikes are good up hills: you never weave from going too slow, can't lose balance if caught in too high a gear, in general I've never been as puffed out on the same stretch as on my upright because of the wind factor and uprights use more muscles to ride. Going uphill on any bike or trike is dependent on the legs and stamina of the rider. Most trike riders are older than most upright bike riders, yet some still pass uprights uphill.

Hmm ok. that's why you have control of the volume and mute. To each his own. "So many others"?

+Bonnie Pio ummm just because I dont film a lot of the uphill we do (because it is not as interesting on video) does not mean we took the cars to the top! we RODE UP the hills. Trust me it is a workout. it does not strain your back it is actually good for people with back problems. I know a number of people who have bad backs who can't ride anything but a trike! check 1:31 for the climbing I show in the video. Trikes can climb because they are geared like mountain bikes. As to speed... because of aerodynamincs we have an advantage, but countered by weight of course. so we average out a little slower than most road bikes.... but there are also high speed trikes that are light weight and made for speed which can compete with the roadies. the Catrike 700 and the ICE VTX are some of the fastest models. You can carry as little or as much weight as you want.

+Bonnie Pio here are a few other videos I have that show more hill climbing... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jZ9-gsJ-383Miqs.html and kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qJ2fobumz6_NoXU.html

Where is "here"? It is not illegal to ride in the street. And no i have never been questioned or hassled about it.

I've never been questioned by police either. Here in Idaho USA, before I took my first trip on the highway, I ask the Highway Patrol, and they said it was OK to ride my recumbent trike on the highway.

The first few miles on the highway I was very nervous and constantly checking my rear-view mirrors. I finally decided that If any car was going to run into me, it was probably going to be so fast, I could do nothing about it anyway, so I might as well enjoy myself. I stopped looking into the mirrors, and enjoyed the rest of the ride.

@@freespuddy mirrors are not there to "stop looking into" you seem to be confusing not being paranoid with not caring if you get pasted.

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