It’s almost impressive that KK accomplished a near perfect destruction of her company all by herself than any hostile takeover could have managed. A tragic masterpiece of incompetence.

Kathleen is an example of promoting the coffee girl beyond incompetence to absurd levels.

I used to work with a woman (the bosses' daughter) who was being groomed to take over his business once he retired. I've often compared the experience to playing school house with a 6yr old. "Raise your hand if you want to talk!!" "Stay in your seat! & sit up straight!" "I'm in charge!!"...that sort of thing. She put several staff members on probation for the smallest mistakes, she revoked privileges we all took for granted, she panicked over the slightest inconveniences, I was forbidden for several months to perform a certain task after I once didn't do it well enough to her standards even though I did it thousands of times before. Eventually, her father and her husband sat her down & told her "This isn't going to work. We feel it'd be best if you just stayed at home." I can only imagine this is what working with KK is like. Thanks for destroying Star Wars & Indiana Jones, Grams. Why don't you go get us some coffee?

I’m utterly convinced KK has dirt on somebody, there’s no way someone can mess up this badly and still have a job if they didn’t have any blackmail.

Any other exec would have been fired for the $millions incurred in losses.... I wonder who she's blackmailing to keep her position

Drinker (as always) makes great point. Lucasfilm had/has the money/clout to make AN ORIGINAL FRANCHISE, and didn't, because that franchise would have to survive on its own merits and not a built-in audience. This was never about making good products, it was about using existing popular franchises as a delivery system for their political messages.

Imagine if George Lucas bought back his franchises and then totally de-canonized all the Disney stuff 😅

Here's a weird idea: What is Kathleen Kennedy is intentionally failing? There have been jokes about her being resentful of the men she worked under. What if destroying the things that Lucas and Spielberg made is her a petty act of spite to them? Is it possible?

It’s so strange that Lucasfilm has gone from a company I liked and was always excited about when they released a new product to a company I genuinely loathe and despise. It really feels like they are going out of their way to destroy any and all goodwill they have acquired over the years by taking everything we love and turning it into an unfunny parody of what it used to be.

Star Wars. Indiana Jones. LotR. The Matrix. Terminator. The list goes on. Can’t really tell people it’s not a conspiracy to supplant all the old greats anymore - it’s what they’ve done…they did it.

What I REALLY love is that Hollywood cant get their fumbling claws onto Back to the Future. Its great to see that some franchise owners still have integrity.

Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” JRR Tolkien.

Lucasfilm *did* have a new property in the works a few years ago, an adaptation of the book "Children of Blood and Bone". In only a little more than a year, Kennedy neglected the IP, alienated the author, and let the film rights lapse to be immediately scooped up by Paramount. Regardless of how the project might have turned out, KK pissed away a possible new franchise before it could even start, and likely made other creators even more wary of working with Lucasfilm.

It’s pretty impressive what KK has managed to achieve. Three IP’s, two of which were pretty much box office gold, and she’s destroyed them all within a few years 😂

If Walt Disney be spinning in his grave, it might be best to attach him to a generator and power the entire f-ing world. Geez, the brand damage that Disney has caused themselves... it is still a miracle that investors are STILL buying into this company after all these massive flops after flops!

As someone who plays the SWTOR MMO, I've never been happier in my life that Disney has said The Old Republic isn't canon. As long as they deny its existence, they can't screw it up.

At this point I have to assume they are ruining these movie franchises on purpose…to push the older audience out and manipulate the younger audience with “THE MESSAGE”

I'd say it's being pretty generous saying this was the last thing they had to go to after Crystal Skull. After that showing, Indie 5 was just beating a dead horse. It really is impressive how KK has managed to ruin every IP under her watch at this point. She didn't just make terrible product but managed to ruin them all so badly that the public wants nothing to do with them anymore. Has that ever happened before coming from one single person? I don't think it has and I'm pretty sure this is a record at this point.

There are a lot of parents like me who introduce our kids to Star Wars and other franchises through the movies we grew up with. My 12-year-old son just the other day said he wanted to rewatch all "6" SW movies starting with The Phantom Menace. He's 12 and doesn't even acknowledge the sequels. He also prefers the original Ghostbusters. I asked him about Indiana Jones, and he said he said he'd love to watch the "3" Indy movies again. Kids today are more aware of quality when it comes to entertainment than we give them credit for. It also doesn't hurt for us parents to show them and teach them about the originals. I'm currently watching Jackson's LoTR trilogy with my other son. Now he wants to read Tolkien's books.

I remember in an interview Lucas said that he sold off Lucasfilm for the benefit of his employees. The company was unsustainable if it remained independent and Disney was looking to buy, so he gave his company a future via the purchase. Joke is now that the brand value has shrunk so much he could probably buy the company back and continue to pay his staff for decades to come. I wouldn't be surprised if him buying back Lucasfilm would immediately cause the stock value to shoot up.

Imagine destroying these franchises so thoroughly that the fans just so apathetic to the whole thing anymore.

There was something more sinister and insidious about the ruination of Willow. Warrick Davis is so innocent and pure and they tainted a perfect childhood fantasy movie! They are just trogs...

KK proved to us all that she has never been a creative force but a void where stories go to die.

This isn't a disaster for KK, it's exactly what she wanted and she got paid well for it.

Star Wars, ignored by audiences. Willow, ignored by audiences. Indiana Jones, ignored by audiences. There is no longer a way for Disney to make money from Lucasfilm productions. If I were Disney I would be looking for buyers for Lucasfilm, especially since they need a bunch of money to purchase what remains of Hulu from Comcast. Marvel is now losing them money, they still need to pay off the debt they put themselves in from buying Fox Entertainment, their parks are in disrepair, they are losing executives, and Lucasfilm is a trashfire. At this point, it would probably take around half a decade for Disney to turn things around, and that is if everything goes smoothly. Shit has officially hit the fan for Disney, and they just seem determined to make things worse. Their shareholders must be furious.

Disney: *does it again* Critical Drinker and The Boys: "HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, OLD MAN?!"

You guys keep ignoring the obvious answer as to why Kennedy hasn't been fired. She is doing exactly what they told her to do.

For me, the tipping point was when they de-canonized the extended universe content. It went from an expansive universe with endless nooks and crannies to explore into a small dark stage with a spotlight on a few characters no one cares about.

Harrison Ford will always be that Indiana Jones who rode off into the sunset in The Last Crusade. To hell with Kathleen Kennedy for doing this to him in his 80s

Lethal Weapon quietly closes the door and hides in a corner.

The most impressive thing about kk's destruction of lucasfilm, is that she has spent years absolutely destroying all of their intellectual properties, without losing her job. It's actually amazing.

To add on to Drinkers comment on "How much sludge does there have to be to overshadow the good stuff?" I'm already at this point with SW. Too put things in perspective, My Older Brother and I grew up on both Original and Prequel Trilogies. We would rewatch those films over and over and over again until we memorized every single quotable line of dialogue, stay up late watching the Clone Wars tv Series every Friday or Saturday night. But now? Now thanks to Disney, they've tainted every aspect that I loved about this IP to the point where I can't even go back and watch the OT or PT because the Sequel Trilogy ruined the whole story! Anakin's Redemption was completely undone because they just had to make Creemy Sheeve's Granddaughter the real hero of the galaxy all because Rain had to go and make one of the most retarded writing decisions anyone could ever make. Luke is just an old hill billy jack ass that gave up on everyone because his nephew had some bad dreams (Another Great writing decision by Rain) and the rest is history. But you wanna know what the sad part of all this is? The most gut wrenching part that just hurts you in your soul?... I just recently played Republic Commando for the first time ever, and I had a blast. The story was fun and engaging, the gameplay was great for the time it came out, and all the members of Delta Squad were so Cool and Badass, so when the game leaves off on the cliffhanger where Rev is captured by the Separatists, I was devastated to find out this game never got a popper followup because I had real investment in the characters and wanted to see their story line continue. And that's the part I want to highlight, it *HAD* characters. Star Wars *HAD* characters that I loved. Star Wars *HAD* story's that I could spent hours of my time engaging with and never for one second get tired of. But now I can't.... Now this thing that I once loved since the earliest memories of my Childhood is dead, and in it's place is a hollow husk of what it once was only made to print money. That's just..... It's just sad for me to even have to say this

Kennedy's contract renewal moving up to August (if true) means Disney is finally closing the barn door after the horses have run away and 95% of the barn has burnt down. There is no way they moved up the renewal to reward her for this performance. But they are also not firing her, just allowing her to exit "to be with family". Poor Frank...

Kennedy should have been fired after the handling of TLJ. They tried to give her credit for TFA box office success, yet everyone knows it was going to rake it in. But a trilogy without planning it? Pushing out the second film without any review of the script? Then having Lucasfilm staff insult fans? And then *no one* is held accountable? Solo Bombing should have been a serious sign that they needed to do a shakeup at Lucasflim, yet they kept KK and her ilk running the studio.

Dear Drinker, I feel you are unfairly besmirching junkies in comparing them to KK.

I just read Kennedy’s Wikipedia page and she started off as a secretary… how tf did a secretary become president of the company🤬

She should be banned to the shadow realm for what she's done. Like how are you allowed to fail that bad, and keep your job?

Everyone to EU Legends: "Perhaps we treated you too harshly."

I think KK has some Epstein level stuff on these studio heads because this is nuts

At 5:08 “It’s down to ‘okay, what does she have on someone’?” I coughed up my lung laughing 😂

When most people I knew were happy that George sold the farm to Disney... I had reservations. To my horror, they exceeded my worst expectations in ways I could not have imagined... there is no way this was anything other than intentional destruction, and defilement.

It took KK just under 10 years to utterly destroy what took George Lucas literal decades to build up.

I really want George to buy it back for pennies on the dollar. Purge all of the Disney projects and go back to the extended universe for stories.

This was why I was against the Halloween thing for awhile. You don't need Myers to come back in new installments. The Terrifier guy is a good idea and something new. Time to put Chucky to rest like ten years ago.

KK is the physical embodiment of that Obama meme where he awards himself with a medal despite everything going to hell in a hand basket.

The other day, I was at the cinema with my gf (who does not go to the cinema that often) and in the midst of one of the trailers she said "wow, that looks interesting, I want to see that." I said "that´s the new Indiana Jones movie" She responded: "Oh. Nevermind then!" I think that says it all...

Omg, the comparison of a football player going for a goal, tripping on themselves and shitting their pants - I was laughing so hard I was crying. Same with demoting the “film” to a collection of images and sounds. Amazing and so, so accurate

Disney/Lucasfilm would like to thank all of our dedicated fans for being with us during this journey to make things worse! With the medium of film essentially gutted and spread over a thorn bush, our staff have decided to move on by making other things worse! Join us as we endeavor to: •glue high speed drone wings to various venomous wildlife •rig pigeons with wet bags of human doodoo •remove every third step from all stairs •lick every door handle on earth •buy a triple-A videogame studio •eat this thing I found in the carpet

This is a record, surely? I'm almost impressed how quickly it's happened.

For George Lucas, this must be like watching your ex wife move on to a seriously abusive relationship...

I actually think that a new buyer for Lucasfilm could turn things around if the first thing they did was just to declare everything Disney did besides Andor and maybe Rogue One was a fever dream of an unreliable narrator, and that the Star Wars galaxy is actually nothing like that. Of course, the one person who could best pull this off is George Lucas himself, but he's not the only one. Just imagine if that happened. How many people would buy a seat to see what the new thing is like? And what if they wrote an actually deep story, commissioning real writers and consulting folklorists and staying on human universals? Just the profit from the first movie might be enough to cover the purchase price of Lucasfilm.

Good review👍🏼 1st time viewer here..just given props to the delivery & editing & overall candid review that's straight to point!..(luv ut keep it up! ;)

As someone else has mentioned before, KK has managed to turn a billion dollar company into a million dollar company.

Man growing up witnessing the worst era of movie industry sucks. I really hope other franchises thrive on like Monsterverse to create some competition for other studios to grow without abandoning their loyal fans

It warms my heart that youtube decided to show me an ad for Indiana Jones and the Denial of Density after this video!

This reminds me of a story from my hometown of a man selling his house but the new owners defaulted on their loan and trashed the house in revenge then the man bought his old house back and fixed it up for a combined total of half the money he sold it for

You can’t help but wonder if it’s being done on purpose.

This is what happens when you employ a bunch of grifters

their garbage will NEVER overshadow the good stuff. they'll just go broke for making it. those of us who know the good stuff will remain true to it.

The dumbest part is half of Georges payment was in Disney stock. So he got less than 3 Billion for selling Star Wars after Kennedy tanked the brand

So glad to see my boy Mr. H hanging out with the Drinker, Mauler and crew!!! I knew lucasfilm was done the moment Disney took over and then walking out of TFA confused and angry. Then TLJ was like watching your best childhood friend being executed in front of you, only to be revived and executed again, over and over The Edge of Tomorrow style. Since then I just sit back with you guys and watch KK and Hollywood burn everything to the ground. Shields high boys from the USA

It takes effort to run Lucasfilm this badly, they had the keys to a ferrari and treated it like a skoda

Nate is a brilliant guest. Happy to see him here. GG lads. Great stream!

I'm starting to think that KK hiring Lesley Headland was a warning to the top brass, and why Bobby I made sure he was back there to protect her. Between KK and LH, they must have ALL the dirt, and an unlimited free pass to piss on all the boys toys.

Lucasfilm plays a key role in the destruction of Disney. And they are doing a great job. Keep the flops coming!

When you make me nostalgic for Jar Jar Binks you know you done fucked up.

The Aylcote will be the biggest Star Wars success that never had any numbers reported on it. It will be the purest “trust us bros”

Star Wars jumped the shark when Baby Yoda showed up.

I squarely blame the "super fans" that will gobble up and defend anything that comes with a Star Wars label on it. They go through immense lengths to justify it, it's like talking to a religious zealot, and keep giving their money away with reckless abandon.

At this point they should make a Chewbacca or R2-D2 spin off movie and see how that goes in them destroying the lead character

Lucasfilm next week: “Let’s renew Kathleen Kennedy’s contract … AGAIN!” 😃👍🏽

Di$ney - Where creativity goes to die.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The only people keeping Star Wars alive are the ones making fan films. There's more plot and character development in a 10 to 12 minute fan film than the entire Disney trilogy.

As a kid I’d watch the Indy trilogy probably once a week. Same with SW trilogy. I’d rather watch a docuseries on the making of “Two Girls, One Cup” than admit to buying a ticket to this Dial of Disney dross.

At this point, KK's next brilliant step would be to burn down the Disney headquarters for the insurance money.

I have a theory about Kathleen. my understanding is that she acted as a notetaker for years, but Spielberg gave an interview once where he said she was "terrible at taking notes". I wouldn't be surprised if she had 'relationships' with many top producers, and her consistent promotions are a result of her keeping quiet about it. many would likely consider what she dealt with back in the day to be sexual harassment/exploitation, but is actually just the sad truth of Hollywood, and she chose to participate. that is the also probably the reason that she was credited as "producer" or "executive producer" on many films when it is clear that she doesn't have the skill set to produce anything successfully. it was a means of keeping her happy and quiet. a quid pro quo. things were very different back in the 70s and 80s, especially in Hollywood. she could probably destroy the reputations of multiple respected Hollywood producers, when in reality, what she willingly did was her own choice, and was a symptom of both the time and of Hollywood in general. she was willing to do whatever it took to get close to the greats when she had no talent. that would also explain her insistence on feminist themes at Lucasfilm once she took over - she probably feels like she's sticking it to Spielberg and Lucas with her over the top feminist themes that they both would have rejected with a laugh, and that seems to be her top priority. sadly, Spielberg and Lucas were right about her all along, and her ideas have sunk both of the great franchises. Star Wars films have been grossing less and less over the last several years, with Solo losing 200 million. same for Indiana Jones, with Indy 5 set to lose 300 million, after Crystal Skull barely broke even. Spielberg and Lucas were being honest - her ideas were bad, and she had no talent. she thought she could stick it to them by implementing her own ideas, and destroying the Lucas direction of the franchises, but it backfired in a huge way, because they were right all along - her ideas are bad, and audiences hate her direction. I wonder how she feels about all of it now.

I don't care what Disney does now. Mara Jade and Kyle Katarn will always be canon in my heart.

Kathleen Kennedy admitted what her goal was by way of Kylo Ren when he said "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to." Her goal was to destroy all that George Lucas created, and she has succeeded. Now, she will be promoted, and will move on to another man's legacy to utterly destroy. I am certain that her chief motivations are hatred and envy. Prosperity for herself is at best a distant third.

Disney should now be " budweiser Lighted " 💯🙏

I think KK is a good example of The Peter Principle: Dysfunctionality ensues when a promotion is based on skills that are no longer useful for the higher job.

Drinker: They’ve for nothing left to destroy. Lucasfilm: We’re announcing a live action adaptation of Monkey Island. Heaven help us all.

Kathleen is the Hollywood equivalent of Sauron with her corrupting any franchise that was beloved with her influence, though unlike Kathleen at least Sauron could still use what he twisted for his own use while KK just has it’s soul horrifically sucked out like what Shang Tsung does to his victims.

Given how video game movies might be on the verge of making it big in Hollywood, I'm curious to see if Disney tries pumping out movies based off of Lucasarts games. Keep your eyes peeled for something like Grim Fandango, Full Throttle, Manic Mansion, or (and this would be the funny one to me) Secret of Monkey Island. My understanding is that Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl started out as a Monkey Island script.

Whatever made the producers of this movie think that people would enjoy watching Indy being torn down like this? It's depressing.

There's still Maniac Mansion, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and Defenders of Dyna-Tron City for them to ruin in ways we didn't think possible. Remember, Willow was offensive to people who weren't even big fans of the original. They will find new lows. They always do.

The folly is attempting to continue milking franchises that ran their course decades ago, starring actors who are now quite old and frail. Imagine 50 years from now some studio attempting to make another Barbie movie starring an 80 year old Margot Robbie.

Don't ask "why". You can never know what goes through a madman's mind. Just focus on the "how".

Kathleen Kennedy's only takeaway form working with the geniuses George Lucas an Steven Spielberg for decades: "F*** it, how hard can it be." That is literally the truth.

My theory is that Kathleen Kennedy being at the helm of Lucasfilm at a certain period of time was part of the sales agreement Disney made with Lucas when they bought Lucasfilm from him.

Kathleen Kennedy is just amazingly incompetent. I’m not even talking about the movies being bad or the hamfisted ideology, films can be like that and still retain good numbers. At this point how many directors has she gone through for SW and cancelled projects for? 5? 7? How bad is your decision making that you keep bringing them on at all if you aren’t getting what you want. Why on earth is the Indiana Jones film so expensive? It could end up with a actually pretty good box office return (unlikely) and still barely break even when you factor in marketing costs.

Maybe they can dig up Radioland Murders for a reboot. Just start digging through the vault and find what else they can ruin. They made short work of Willow.

GREAT PANEL tonight! Fringy Disparu and Nate are awesome!!!

rest well Kathy you managed to destroy all modern Western cinema mythologies.

For the new arrivals, a movie must earn 2.5x its budget just to break even, so Indy 5 needs to make $875M worldwide. That will never happen.

Narrator: "Little did they know at the time..."

1) Parasitically assume power 2) Destroy the old IP 3) Create vaccuum 4) Fill with "The Message" 5) Hope the youth buy it 6) Goosestomp around

KZfaq content creators shitting on Hollywood are now my primary source of entertainment and well.... I don't mind one bit, it's been glorious 👌

Well, there’s Maniac Mansion left to destroy.

Her failure is complete, but she still won't get fired 🤷 At this point this is just executive incompetence to continue to let this women in charge.

After all these years, we need to except one simple fact: George Lucas is Star Wars and Star Wars is George Lucas. Without Lucas, there wouldn't be any Star Wars to begin with. It's the same way how Lord of the Rings is J.R.R Tolkien's. Neither franchise can survive without the creator's input. The simple fact of the matter is that Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Willow all died back in 2012 when Lucas sold the company and IPs with. He sold them the husks of the franchises and they disregarded the very soul of what made them come alive in the first place. That soul being Lucas himself. I've said this before and I'll keep saying this until the day I die: Disney ONLY inherited Star Wars as a brand while leaving intellectual part of the intellectual property (or IP) of George Lucas to him. These were absolutely not made with George Lucas in mind, given how it's come out that Bob Igar and Kathleen Kennedy lied to him about respecting the characters and disregarding his story template in favor of unoriginal stories that heavily plagiarized the original trilogy. I'm sorry, Disney can keep lying all they want by saying that these new films are part of the Skywalker saga. But the Skywalker saga ended with episode 6. And yeah, George Lucas wanted to make a sequel trilogy. But just like Tolkien abandoning his idea of doing a Lord of the Rings sequel, so too did Lucas also abandoned his idea for the sequel trilogy as he felt that his saga was complete as it was the story of the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Ergo, THAT'S the Skywalker saga in a nut shell. It's not perfect. But it told a completed story from episodes 1 to 6.