Wendy represents normal, nurturing motherhood. Corrupting her into a sterile girlboss removes the emotional heart of the story.

Lemme guess, Wendy's only flaw is occasionally doubting how absolutely perfect she is.

The biggest problem with girls being in the Lost Boys is that the whole point was that Peter bringing Wendy to Neverland introduced a feminine and motherly element which had previously been absent in the boys' lives. Wendy's presence amongst them matured the boys and made them decide they wanted to grow up after all and return to their own mothers. In their attempt to be "inclusive" and show that "girls are no different from boys", they've undermined the importance and uniqueness of Wendy as a character; even more so since they also appear to be reducing her feminine and motherly characteristics in order to change Wendy to be more of an adventurous swashbuckling girlboss character.

A modern retelling of PeterPan should be done with modern 20 something year olds who refuse to grow up and live in a fantasy world. Basically a college/university movie.

Disney took away the unique thing about Wendy which is adding girls among The Lost Boys and in the original, they never had a loving caring mother figure until she showed up.

The most ironic thing is that the original Wendy, on a theoretical level, is a very feminist character. She is very positive, loving, caring and mature, and shows how basically a woman's figure is necessary for men to grow up. Woke fools and modern feminism are too stupid to see this.

The trailer doesn't include it, but the whole plot the pirates employ is to kidnap Wendy, so she can be THEIR mother, and tell them stories as well. The first writers meeting must be the Disney staff passing around a vintage copy of the book, ripping out the pages, and finding creative ways to destroy them. Harlan Ellison famously ripped on Disney for never giving credit to the authors. It's not Walt Disney's Peter Pan, it's J.M.M Barrie's. Not Disney's Jungle Book, but Kipling's. Not Disney's Mary Poppins, but Travers, and on, and on. Disney is currently preemptively suing all the Marvel creators to keep them from taking advantage of the copyright window that will open soon and allow them to regain their lost ownership of the characters they created that made Disney billions, this includes Stan Lee's brother, Larry Lieber. I will never understand why so many people worship a company so hell bent on destroying the creators that made them what they are. Also insert the irony of cashing in so hard on stories about heroes and sacrificing for others when your business plan reads like a villains manifesto.

Me, as an 8yo Congolese boy: "Peter Pan is my favourite Disney movie." Me, reads the book in my early 20s: "I enjoyed James Matthew Barry's writing. I need to rewatch the animated version." Disney in 2023: "You don't understamd - you only like it because you've internalised racism . But don't worry. Here's one with a diverse cast."

Calling it now: Wendy is the key to everything and saves Peter Pan.

"Why are we re-writing history?" In order to take someone's identity, you take away their history.

Even as a kid I grasped that Wendy was the motherly nurturing figure, not the hero; a cornerstone. She gave you somthing to think about with out saying it. We all have to grow up. That's what made the story so enduring, growing up while trying to hold on to youth while reading and watching the story. Now I don't even know what to expect other than Wendy realized the has the power within her the whole time and saves Peter Pan by kicking Captain Hook into the crocodiles mouth, and looks back with a satisfying smirk 😏

You know after having children of my own the whole “little boys falling out of their prams and becoming lost boys and girls are too sensible to do that”….. yeah, that totally makes sense.

We are all watching you guys slowly turn from movie fans into critics into literary researchers.

Disney recently turned off all of the comments that roasted them so hard. How stunning and brave.

Even in the 2003 live action Peter Pan - which is great btw, I recommend it for a cool different take and great humor, visuals, and music - where they do fall a little into the "Wendy can fight too" idea, they still give her main focus to her desire for love and family which Peter is unable to meet apart from playing pretend father. It creates an interesting dynamic with the pirates and especially Hook who actually discusses this with her in the film, because the adults recognize her emotions where the Lost Boys and Peter don't. Wendy is openly compared to her mother with implications of her own future romance and family and that scares her initially along with the fear of leaving the nursery for her own room, but she slowly recognizes that she does want those deeper connections which inspires her to leave Neverland. It's modernized in a good way of just having Wendy be a little more tomboyish and wild alongside her brothers, even as she plays mother to the Lost Boys. But as she grows up, she becomes more feminine, dignified, and even commands some respect from the pirates in the last confrontation with Hook because they know to respect a lady and that's what she is now. It's not a perfect film, but I love it anyway for how much depth and beauty it has compared to the cartoon. @TheCriticalDrinker if you haven't seen it, it could be a good one to compare to this new version upon release.

The fact that creators at Disney aren’t utterly embarrassed by the crap they pull shows just how very far apart they are ideologically from the general public.

It's just a betrayal of the themes of the original story anyways. The entire deeper moral of the story is how boys without a proper role model struggle to "grow up", and how the effect of a motherly influence on these "lost boys" helps them learn to mature. It's also a recognition that young girls are forced to mature by the biological reality of puberty, while young boys need to be molded to become mature men, and if they aren't, they stay man-children forever. It's a very relevant theme to the modern world, in western society we have a crisis of men staying childlike well into adulthood. If you make the lost boys include girls, and you make Wendy into the action hero, it just kills the theme entirely.

Also “hook” had a pretty diverse cast as well for being a 90s movie. They didnt focus on anyones skin color/gender/sexuality instead it focus on what connected them together through common ideology. It also sets the theme where its okay to be mature and still be connected to your inner child.

We can cross our fingers for a Guillermo Del Toro version. His was the best “Pinocchio” reimagining of last year. 🤞🏻

I love the part when Wendy is blasted to space and she uses the force to return to Neverland.

I loved the part where Hook asked Tinkerbell to bite the curb

The point of Wendy's character is that the lost boys NEEDED her because she's different from them. Including girls just removes any point of her being necessary.

PS: I think Hook is an underrated gem. It's beautiful and THAT is the modern retelling we need. The message of it also playing into finding a balance with not forgetting the preciousness of being a child while also realizing that growing up and letting go can be freedom.

Tiger Lily and Tinkerbell were two examples of female characters living their best lives in adventure. I don't think there was any need to throw girls into the lost boys.

All you can do is laugh at the irony. The drive to be "inclusive" does nothing but destroy the stories, themes and values that were classics precisely because of their universalism. The themes Peter Pan explores are not ideological or political, they're simply human. The "you're not boys," "So?!" line in the trailer decimates some of these universal themes in less than a second, quite impressive in a way.

When Hook said “This is the day you will always remember as the day you almost genderbend Captain Hook”, I got literal chills. Certainly one of the quotes of this movie.

At this point, I really believe that is an IA generating Disney's movies scripts.

Disney is just re-releasing all their old films but in "black-face"

I’m an American in Japan. Every Japanese drama is about a weird, quirky girl who is socially awkward and doesn’t fit in, in her surroundings or her job. The series will be about her learning to fit in, learning to socialize and fall in love. Getting married here is a major milestone for a woman. I can’t see Hollywood pushing a woman wanting to get married and try to chase a man.

I think the creators of the movie also didn't think it through (or consult the source material) because Wendy is a very mothering nurturing even "civilizing" presence as well, so by making the Lost Boys multiethnic boys and girls... you're unintentionally sending a bad message. In the animated movie Wendy didn't have to pick up a sword to show her courage, she proved it by being the first and potentially only one to choose to walk the plank rather than join Hook's crew, reminding the Lost Boys of their loyalty to Peter and refusing to relinquish her faith in Peter or what was right, even when she walked the plank.

I read the book. Barrie wrote that girls were too clever to fall out of their bassinets and strollers like the boys did. That’s why Wendy going to Neverland was so special.

"And what about Hook?" "No you can leave him white"

They literally just race swapped everything except Captain Hook and that's only because he's the bad guy lol

In this clip, you boys have perfectly articulated the fundamental issue with this modern spin of Peter Pan and thus the broader issue with Disney

Ironically the 2003 peter pan had Wendy being a sword weilding adventuring loving girl who was very feminine. She struggled to fight the pirates but still held her own out smarting them. And it was her femininity that helped the boys maturing and she loved being a mother deciding to grow up from her role as a care taker. And ut was her love and kiss that saved peter.

They are not telling a story they are just pushing THE MESSAGE.

"And Wendy" should be a meme tagged on to everything lmao!!

Why is no one talking about the Hollywood removing Red Heads from everything? Little Orphan Annie remake - black kid, Little Mermaid remake - Black girl, Peter Pan - Indian kid!?!?!? Merida next?!??? Wth!!

As a woman myself, thank you for doing this discussion 😊!

Did Wendy just assume their genders?!?

Wendy being the only “older” woman on the island really showed how the lost boys gravitated toward her and almost started to see her as a mother figure. Women in the story are important because the represent peace are well as maturity. I hate how modern “artists” completely miss the points of the stories they try to adapt

Hook was a modern interpretation that did things right.

Critical Drinker being a grown man and showing off his “toy” collection is simply the best 🤣👌🏻

Tinkerbell became a "mascot character" for Disney, almost as much as Mickey. I'm sure some bright bulb thought they were earning extra bonus points for the race-swap. What's aggravating is that I'm pretty sure no discussions as earnest and thoughtful as this went into "Peter Pan and Wendy". Most likely, they went down a flowchart or checklist, and anyone who put up the mildest of questions or objections was given a cold stare and/or invited to leave.

When Wendy unleashes *"SKY DRAGON'S ROAR!!!"* against Captain Hook and his pirate crew who use Armament Haki in battle, I smiled with pure happiness and glee.

A female lead version of a traditionally male lead IP? Brilliant idea! Worked great for Star Wars Worked great for Star Trek Worked great for Dr Who Worked great for Ghostbusters Worked great for Birds of Prey Worked great for Velma Worked great for Terminator: Dark Fate Worked great for Ocean's 8 Worked great for She Hulk Worked great for Willow Worked great for Bat Woman Worked great for Witcher: Blood Origins Worked great for Rings Of Power Worked great for National Treasure: Edge of History

When the dyslexic casting director at Disney is told Tinkerbell should be a "ginger."

The 1953 Disney cartoon movie is the one I grew up on. And that's the one I watch.

This is just another example that Hollywood is creatively bankrupt.

I love the awful dialogue in the trailer when she sees there’s girls in the lost boys & it results in a “no, you” moment.

To quote Sherlock Holmes (2009); “Inevitably one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.”

Just watched the trailer, and... yeah, the fact that Wendy's clearly the center of focus and Peter's barely in it tells you a lot. Also, are we going to talk about the bit where it looks like Wendy literally takes a cannonball to the face? it's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but the cannonball *definitely* deflects in its path when it passes close to Wendy. I can't be the only one who saw that...

I was expecting that we'd get Peter Pansexual. But hey, there's still time. 🙃

A "modern" take on the story of Peter Pan and Wendy, would swap the roles. It would be Peter that is swept up and taken to Neverland by Wendy, where he meets the "Lost Girls" who are just a bunch of thots ... and Captain Hook is a 50something years old "strong independent female" that is crazy about the fact that poor Peter has no interest in dating her!

They should use a random number generator to decide the races of the secondary characters.

To be fair, the cartoon already undermined the themes of the original story. Wendy does grow and is prepared to enter adulthood... But then the movie ends with the Lost Boys staying with Peter and Mr. Darling saying that Wendy doesn't have to move out of the nursery yet, even though she's ready to. It even drops the lines in the book suggesting that Hook is what Peter would turn into if he kept getting older without growing up. Walt had a theme park to advertise with his paeans to childhood!

Peter Pan was a coming off age story. There being only lost boys that didn't have a mother figure was essential to the storyline. Even young girls have baby dolls, tea parties, pretend marriage to their father and such things. The feminine aspect is always there. So having Lost Girls now takes away from the story. Wendy being the first and only female the boys knew, and them having to adapt to that, not treating her as a girl in the beginning (being too rough and rude). And later the material aspect of her taking care of the boys. That girls aren't boys and woman aren't men is the driving idea behind the plot. Wendy as a prepubescent girl falling for Peter also takes her into her new fase and want to grow up. Because she's becoming a woman. As much as that Peter has to take responsibility for her takes him into becoming a man. Disney just ducked up the entirety of the story basically. The taking of known characters and race and gender swapping them is just the flag upon the turd. Totally raping the story and taking the plot and just demolishing it, that's the steaming pile of 💩. Congratulations Disney. You've done it again. Only hope they go out of business fast.

I'm surprised they cast a male lead for Peter tbf 🤣👊

At this point I am surprised they didn’t just call it “Wendy”

Disney really watched Dreamworks singlehandly break their throne with Puss in Boots 2, and said “You know what this inspires us to do? … The same shit we’ve been doing, but worse.”

How many more classic's are left to be bastardized at this point

That's it ! I've had enough. I'm doing a reboot of 1980s sitcom 'Different Strokes' where a well to do black businessman in Manhattan adopts two white UK kids from Liverpool. The catchphrase will be 'Watcha talkin' 'bout William ?'

This is the problem with treating people EQUALLY instead of FAIRLY. We lose the awesome things make each group uniquely suited to tackle challenges other groups can't tackle. If I was a woman, I'd want people to show my natural traits being badass rather than forcing another group's traits on me.

I think I will just be doing a marathon of watching the original Peter Pan cartoon, Hook with Robin Williams and the 2003 Peter Pan film instead of watching Peter Pan and Wendy is released

I wish we could leave comments on it, but Disney is filled with cowards who can't fathom the idea that someone might not like what they're doing.

My favorite part of the trailer was when all the Lost Boys shouted, “I am woman. Hear me roar!” And Wendy said, “I’m your huckleberry.” As she slow walked away from Skynet exploding and did her hero pose while Peter hugged her leg looking up at her as his goddess and savior of Neverland.

"I guess that didn't exactly... PAN OUT!" - Jeremy Jahns, Pan 2015 review

I LOVED the part when Wendy said "Ahhh yes, girls CAN BE boys!", SUCH AN EYE OPENER showing Neverlands' billions of years of genetics, biology and evolution, my heart skipped a beat at that BREATHTAKING moment! 😒😒😒 😎🇬🇧

How does Wendy develop as a character? Disney: character development?

I haven’t seen a movie get that smashed since Highlander the source.

I loved the moment when Wendy found the Hollywood sign on the volcano and realized the Lost Boys were actually movie executives not able to deal with the real world.

Dont really have an issue with a black tinkerbell because it's a fairy...its a fantasy so she could be purple for all I care and it fits the magical nature. But wendy was the girl and basically the stand out brains of the lost boys, to no longer make her unique totally changeable the whole nature of the lost boys as the group that ignore consequences of their actions

The comments on the Peter Pan & Wendy trailer were ALL mocking (and often very funny), but they've since been turned off by Disney. As a company, they are determined to continue with this theme in all their content, so I wonder if they're playing the long game (with many other companies) in the hope of conditioning the next generation of consumers from childhood, and if sufficiently exposed over the course of a decade or so, they will appreciate and pay for such content when they reach adulthood. Just a thought... 🤔

This is my favorite Disney movie from my childhood. I’m 35 this year… I’m so unhappy to hear that they’re going after this quintessential part of Disney cinematic history, and for what?!?!? Keep doing what y’all are doing because it’s necessary. It doesn’t make any sense why they would go this far, but hey…..

Disney used to understand the importance of stories and this kind of deeper psychological meaning. Between this and Pinocchio, it’s clear that those kinds of writers are LONG gone.

Peter Pan was about growing up and being better together, so it was only a matter of time before they came to destroy it.

Peter Pan is a beloved classic by a Dumfriesian legend. Hollywood will not be content until they have bent or broken every literary cornerstone to their will. Shakespeare himself isn't safe.

Don't watch it! Don't give Disney your money!

The “writers” probably never read the original novel to realize what maturing influence Wendy was. Is anyone going to ask where Wendy a 1900’s proper British girl learned to use a sword?

I can’t wait for The Lion King live action remake where Simba becomes a black panther and discusses his oppression and feelings with Timon and Pumba. It will be a hit with modern audiences.

Let's face it gents: the tick, tock, tick, tock, is no longer the crocodile, it's the lost girls biological clock.

I read Pan years ago and what I remember is that it was darker than I thought a children’s story should be, as an adult I loved it. So many wonderful themes, and Disney just dragged it through the mud.

9:12 is the best bit. The acknowledgment of what we're up against

I bet the writers didn't read the book

Love all that you do. Remember Darkman? Now that's a comic book made to movie before all others!

It seems to become a running theme that they are undermining their own "message" by missing story elements everyone is well familiar with. This indicates that they have no clue what they're working on.

Wendy becomes the new Peter Pan at the end

Disney fairies: *Exist* Modern Disney: Hey let's race swap them

It could've been such an easy victory for Diznazi but nope, they couldn't leave well enough alone. All they had to do was recreate Peter Pan one to one from 1953 and all would've been good.

For what it’s worth, I decided to read Dark Harvest to see if the Drinker could put his money where his mouth was on story telling. I really enjoyed the book. Read it in less than 2 days. Really high paced and entertaining. I have more respect for the reviews knowing he can tell a story.

Damn! I had no idea The Drinker was a novelist. Gonna check this out!

If anyone want to watch a Peter Pan live action then try to watch the Peter Pan 2003 movie. It was dope.

I love Disney, I haven't spent a dime on them in over 25 years! Thanks for helping me save money

I still get tingles in my spine thinking about the magic of Peter Pan when I first saw the original movie as a kid. It's such a deep story and truly magical. Disney are just evil.

Drinker would you bet that scene where Wendy is fighting 2 pirates is the scene she saves Peter ?

Drinker getting deep at 3:40 then cuts to a joke in what could only described as PERFECTION lol

Disney repeatedly shows they have no understanding of the source material for anything they do and don't really care.

I like how Platoon’s mouth moves

The problem is that many big studios are using writers who don't know what a good story *is.* They don't understand what character development is, or what a story arc is. So when audiences complain about "the message", we're missing what the real problem is. The current writers cannot see the *story,* the only things they saw in the original stories were the race and gender of all the characters. Talking about the point of a *story* to them is like talking about colors to a color-blind person. (and here I mean someone whose eyes do not perceive colors. I'm not talking about race). They literally _(ha!)_ don't understand what we're talking about. They think that race and gender are the only things that there are to see, so they expect those are the only details that *anyone* can complain about.

Wendy: You've gotta do better, Peter. Peter Pan: **