I put this under... well doh yeah :-)

Imma show this to my psychologist 😂

Maybe I'm over playing it but when I hear a V10 I get straight up Horney and my GF loves it for hours... sometimes she she randomly turns on F1 sounds and I know what she wants...

Can confirm as well, every now and then i put on Bozzy´s channel and listen to the Ferrari F1 V10 racing around Imola on my surround system on full blast and just let them go around my head. Legit makes me feel good! 👍

i literally said yes they do

If I may add to “in race” refueling again.

Bla bla no petition started

Using Seb's synthetic fuel

With a sustainable fuel and safe refuelling would make F1 perfect

@@brian-te4xs😮🎉😮😂😮😂🎉😂😢😊

Except for the H, ya.

If you compare engines OF THE SAME YEAR, the V12s were the best sounding, especially the Ferrari (the McLaren Honda V12 sounds totally different than the Ferrari and amazing too but in a different way). Personally, I think even the V8s OF THE SAME YEAR sounded better than the V10s. The V8s had a "thicker" roar, like a dragon or lion or something.

​@@minirock0007:01

V12 was a far superior sound.

@@Gamer-sq8vc Yeah, I still recall when I travelled to Adelaide for the Grand Prix (I'm from Melbourne, so 'next-door' to the state of South Australia, of which Adelaide is the capital city) in '95 & it was the final F1 race for the Ferrari V12 engine, before all teams were limited to V10 engines thereafter...& it was absolutely incredible to hear ALL of those AMAZING internal combustion engines back then but you REALLY could hear the MASSIVE difference between the Ferrari V12 engine & all of the others from more than a kilometre away, especially during the practice & qualifying sessions, when the cars were more sparsely placed along the circuit & with larger gaps between each of them, you just knew when one of the scarlet red beauties was coming our way next...the incredible SCREAM of the Ferrari V12 is virtually impossible to explain to anyone who never got to experience & enjoy the ABSOLUTE GREATEST F1 ENGINES from their most amazing era, when they were revving up to 17,000 RPM & developing about 760 HP in qualifying trim, although they were obviously very thirsty on fuel...I am SO incredibly thankful that I was there to experience that very last outing for that Ferrari V12 engine at an F1 race, that's for sure!! And just look at the way that all of the mechanics for the current F1 teams flock from their pits to the circuits whenever there is a brief display of a (albeit detuned & never running flat-out, as they were back in 1995) V10 or V12-powered F1 car from the '90s for a few laps...I still remember the first time that I attended an F1 race in Adelaide in the late '80s (as my father was an official at all of the Adelaide F1 races but only the first two held in our hometown of Melbourne, because the Adelaide street circuit was so much more exciting & loud than was the Albert Park circuit, although the latter looked far more impressive on TV, for the fans watching it from all around the world) & while walking along Rundle Mall (which led you directly to the circuit & ended at the barriers for the setup there) with my mother, one of the F1 cars came out for a practice lap & MY MIND WAS BLOWN as soon as I heard it, & the hairs upon my arms & neck were suddenly standing to attention as my endorphins immediately went completely NUTS!! I had previously attended the 500cc & World Superbike races at Phillip Island & God only knows how many national touring car championship races at the Sandown circuit for many, many years by this stage but this first F1 experience was other-worldly...OK, I've already been MORE THAN verbose enough & no amount of additional rambling about the F1 engines from the '80s & '90s will do any more to explain to the unfortunate souls who missed out on them just how UTTERLY AMAZING they really were, sadly (for them, at least)!!

Dude have you heard the top gear song when they played it on a renult F1!?!?!?

Dude… I came to comment nearly the same thing as you. Lifetime musician and audio engineer / system designer here… this video was unexpectedly AMAZING

@@MorganBrady a rare pleasure when 10 min KZfaq videos are well researched, go deep into a topic, yet explained in a digestible concise manner. Uncommon Tuesday morning W 🤣

I'm sure I remember seeing a while ago that Ferrari has its road cars exhaust notes set to a specific musical interval on purpose but I don't remember what it was off the top of my head.

I would have liked even more acoustic nerd stuff. not sure if the third is that important. I understand the crank rotates at a certain frequency and the piston fire at a other frequency but the sound you hear at a distance is 99% exhaust? I don't think you hear the crank shaft rotation. I guess even if the harmonic is very less loud than the exhaust it can make a small difference in the texture of the sound. it would have been interesting to give the intervals for 8 or 12 cylinders instead of just saying they don't have the right number of cylinders. asides from this harmonic detail most of what are said about V10 would apply to V12 (high rpm, high number of firing for each revolution, high pitch etc)

Yeah, and as fast as their revs grew... They resonated with almost everything. (And was a very clean, monochromatic sound - just hearing them made one sure that they weren't wasting energy...) The V10s were like a great rock concert, vis. its energy and voice. (But, the 787B was a symphony!)

Early 2000s lol ... 🤦🏼‍♂️

RBR has said that, by grouping races together geographically, they've cut more emissions than switching back to V12's would generate. Assuming V10's generate lower emissions, I don't see a reason not to go back in the next few formulae.

Which makes a ton of sense​@@shadowmancy9183

@@shadowmancy9183 really? that many people buying in to this co2 changes climate bs? people not bothered to actually check the science behind ridiculous and clearly untrue model

@@shadowmancy9183 I think emissions from the race cars shouldn't matter at all. They are wholly insignificant compared to the emissions F1 creates transporting, the cars, the equipment and the team all around the world. Multiple plane flights, tens of transport trucks and vans and tens of cars per team per race. And then you have all the other setup that follows the races around. I'd love the return of V10s, perhaps with synthetic race fuels, but I can';t see it ever happening.

​@@EE9Civic It's more about virtue signalling.

Agree

20K rpm? You talk of the Cosworth 2.4L V8, right? 😅

They didn‘t hit 20k. They got close to it tho

I'll never forget the first time i heard the sound of the V10 engine. We parked our car at the Nürburgring in 1999. The sundaymorning warm-up just started. I couldn't see the cars yet but man i heard the engine's screaming like crazy. From that moment i was in love ❤.

Ah yes, there's famously no possible way in the world to like two different things at the same time. Or to like something despite preferring another.

Here Monza 2001😎😎😎

Yeah thought the info they listed for the V8 was very wrong.

Flat-plane V8 are just two I4s put together. Sound the same too.

Very good point, Lingenfelter make a flat-pane LS engine which has that howling note similar to flat-plane V10s

There's several things in this vid I find lacking, crossplane vs flatplane just one of them.

@@angry9901 why the fuck would you make a flat-plane V10 lol ! primary balance would be atrocious

But a V10 also has this slightly hollow/howling banshee noise giving a slight minor/melancholic tone at the same time? Possibly some scooped mids and/or interaction of frequencies.

bro what are these emojis 💀💀

What are you nine years old? You must be 13 to be on YT.

@@GameOver-nm2us skull emojis are for old people now, get with the times gramps

@@sirmounted8499 alr lil bro whatever you say

surprised im not seeing more people mentioning engine simulator in the comments of a video about the science of engine sounds..

I'm absolutely going to check this out. Thanks for the rec.

Yup, Formula 1 even trying to claim to be “eco friendly” is a load of 💩. Especially since, as you mentioned, they now jet around the world to 2 dozen races and the greatly increased need for tires. Tires made from petroleum 🤷‍♂️.

and even then, that merc hypercer is very rare and expensive, and will likely never see the asphalt of the road

It’s less about actual environmental impact of the F1 show and more about making the cars in F1 relevant to road cars. Barely anyone makes a V10 any more for the road, so they can’t do the “we use F1 technology” in this road car unless there’s some sort of link.

@@CertifiedSlamboy You can go back to naturally aspirated engines but also with the electrical stuff that way, in terms of power unit, road car manufacturers can still say "we use futuristic F1 tech" and if you want to go even further, there are way other types of fuel / fuel combinations that can be used which are wayyy more sustainable. Just get rid of the turbos, that's all.

@@CertifiedSlamboy I struggle to see in what way current F1 cars are relevant to road cars other than the fact that they have a battery. Road cars will never use the kind of complicated hybrid system that's in F1 cars at the moment, and a 1.6L V6 is not exactly rocket science, you don't need an F1 program for that...

Fuck no. Out dated tech. F1 is about pushing technology. Pat Simmonds wanted 8 cylinder opposed piston 2 stroke engines for 2026.

@@v4skunk739 If only the engines sounded like they were pushing technology, and not sex toys

@@v4skunk739then get rid of the engine restrictions! Set max displacement and max power and let everyone build what they want! If you want to avoid 4 bangers limit the cylinder count to a minimum of 6.

@@slideways8022 There was nothing wrong with 4 pot turbos in the late 80's.

@@v4skunk739 They can push all they want...if efficiency alone is all they're after, with no regards towards creating an actual spectacle, then the cars will just get more and more boring and stay so forever. Efficiency. Is. Not. Fun. Except perhaps to a very select few engineering nerds. This weird dichotomy between the egghead-science-stuff in the background and the RAW LOUD VICIOUS BEASTS that this science created was a huge part of what made F1 so interesting in the first place. Without that second aspect? Yawn. No emotion, no amazement, no awe. The cars are just rolling maths lessons now. There was some decent racing in the last years...but with such boring cars it just feels hollow somehow. They try to manage with bigger, wider, more aggressive looking cars, but it all just falls flat to me. With the upcoming rules betting even more on electric drive...yeah. Snoozefest. An electric lawnmower does pretty much the same job as a petrol one...but boy is it dull.

How did you get that?! Care to share?

@@jacobstewart7915 iPhone ringtone are .mp4r files and can be created using many free utilities. You can use any audio sample that you like and it’s legal for personal use but can’t be distributed.

Busted 3rd = 5 speed Subaru 😅

i now wanna know how a perfect 5th or even tritone sounding engine sounds

@@mallusaih I want to hear an engine with pythagorean tuning!

@@mallusaih inline 3 or v6 can give you a 5th I believe. You'd not be able to make a "perfect" tritone as that's an irrational number. An 11-cylinder car could come close though with an 11:8 ratio

Dim 3rd = DNF

Great points.

exactly. Thank GOD someone noticed that diss. That team in 2024 is essentially done, should be kicked out.

Yep. I believe the exhaust design more than anything else decides how the engine will sound. Along with the firing intervals of course (even or uneven firing intervals). But just comparing engines with even firing intervals, you can make them sound pretty similar as long as you can reach the same amount of little explosions per minute (frequency).

Even though music theory says the V10 sounds better than a V12 i disagree. The V10 scream is for sure pleasing to the ear and but to me the V12 always has much more character and i like the lower pitch, and the increased piston amount is such a beautiful sound on downshifts. Also on road cars when the revs aren’t a 19 000, a V12 sounds miles better to me than a V10 that it’s not even a comparison. A good NA V12 will resonate your soul much more than a V10 ever can, even ar very low revs or at idle, and has this raw and deep lion/dragon roar type of sound to it that a V10 doesn’t have. If you stand next to a Huracan V10 when it revs or accelerates, yeah the V10 scream is a great sound, but an Aventador V12 will make you feel much more, so to me ending the video with ”it’s music theory proven” and not mentioning the many benefits and sound characteristics of a V12 is ignorant. Just listen the Lamborghini Essenza on youtube and tell me it would sound better if it had a V12. No way that would be ever the case.

Koenigsegg just made his plane flat. Seleen S7 and Ford GT and pantera have crossed cranks. AMG GT?

​@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt Obviously supercars using a flat plane is not a universal rule.

I was just talking about this. I’ll never forget it.

Exactly right. Bang on the money. Fuel can only be burned so quickly.

Wrong. It's mostly because they don't have turbos just like the glorious V8s and V12s. What you mentioned plays a part, sure, but the fact they don't have turbos is, by far, the biggest reason.

@@Spinelli__ When the number of cylinders was a variable teams could explore engine displacement was limited to half the displacement of what it was for non-turbo engines, the turbos also used different fuel. I mentioned displacement and fuel restrictions. The engine decisions F1 teams make are always based on the rules they work under ... when V10s became dominant the REASON they chose 10 cylinders is because of the fuel and the displacement they were allowed to use under the rules. Turbos were a non-factor in their choices because they were against the rules, just like using toluene in the fuel wasn't a factor because it was outlawed too. If there were no limits on fuel, displacement, and had supercharging available they would probably use V12s with turbos, methanol, and nitrous oxide injection and the pit stop refueling would come back.

If you just limit the fuel, engineers install turbos. V12 was never competitive and sure isn’t in a modern carbon ground effect car.

@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt Schumi said the 95 Ferrari F1 was good enough to win ths championship when he tested it when he joined Ferrari for the 96 season. Not to mention Prost's Ferrari in 1990. You need an F1 history lesson my friend...and, no, engineers won't install turbos if they're outlawed by the regulations.

@@Spinelli__ you wanted to limit just fuel. Limit law?? Porsche engineers went for the record on Nürburgring and went for turbo V4 hybrid.

Why are V12 not comparative? Are they inefficient?

@@somebodyelse3004 yes, Ferrari had to fuel up their cars more often. The main point is that when you don’t limit displacement, everybody uses V8 . Time as proven again and again, that those pack max displacement into the lightest block. Generally, F1 cars are too small for V12. On war birds and bombers, V12 wins. I hate those US radial engine birds. The British used V12 in their bombers. Jay Lenno has a car with an air-cooled V12 tank engine. The 180° version is even more easy to cool using air. V12 engines always drive a gearbox. In a plane this could be use to slant the V12 to reduce the size of the air ducts. Small tubes which direct cooling air on the ring where the exhaust meets the head. Then reverse upward. I like chimneys.

That super loudness came from fuel cooling. Excess fuel was injected to cool the charger and carry heat from the pistons. The fuel then burns as it exits the exhaust. A modern design injects directly leaving a layer of air over the piston for cooling. So they would lose the chest shaking feature (but go further between pit stops).

The V12s are even better sounding. Just compare the v12s and V10s of the same year/season to eachother. There's tons of season footage around.

@@Spinelli__ No. No they are not. You people really need to stop throwing your V12 comments under every single V10 comment. It's wrong and just annoying.

@@mito-pb8qg Watch any session between 89 and 94 (and even 95) and compare the 12s and 10s to eachother in the same year/session. The V10s obviously sound incredible - so do the V8s but in a different way - but the V12s are on another level further.

Lucky man, never got the opportunity to hear an F1 V12 in full attack. V12’s are a much better sound - IFKYK

That F2002 was an absolute beast. As dominant as the red bull from last year..

Good luck making an engine last a race at 21,000 rpm.

@@456MrPeople Back then, teams were allowed to eg. use one engine during qualification, and replace it afterwards. I believe the "normal" power during races was somewhere around 800 bhp, but that this could be increase significantly if the engine only had to last a couple laps...

Viper?

Because it's an odd-fire v10. On the contrary, the 2006 audi S8 sounds like heaven even below 2000, having a 90 degree V just like the viper BUT split crank pin to become even-fire

Thx you

*Furai enters the chat*

@@VAXHeadroom❤️ 😭

@@zogzoogler still too soon.

you are definitely in the minority

If you use that lodgic, V8 sounds like a guy is having the biggest toilet moment of his life.

@@henryhallam5270 LUL