Solid choice! I'm on my second Subaru in a row. I'll never own another brand of car.

I Agree 👍...Mine will be arriving in two weeks.

Subaru Forester Wilderness the best👍🏼

And, its gorgeous

remember as long as you maintain the subaru it will never fail you, i know people who have 300plus k on the speedo and never had any major issues, just do your maintenance and it will last you a very very long time, i bought a 16yr old forester gave it a tune up and years later still no issue thank God. enjoy in good health

Yeah, if they were the same price I would get the RAV4 every time, but with with the Forester being $7k cheaper, I would definitely lean towards the Forester because the RAV4 isn't $7000 better.

@@mrvwbug4423 I think the rav 4 is overpriced and not that well built

@@mrvwbug4423l don’t know?

Until it blows a head gasket or the CVT transmission 😂

@@mrvwbug4423 I think the 7k difference is actually justified if you look at the reliability of the Toyotas. Toyotas are more reliable than Subarus for sure. Subaru's boxer engines are prone to head gasket failures and servicing them is expensive when the moment arrives.

so much this, I've seen another channel do tests on tires, 4x4 with all terrains vs 4x2 with snow tires, 4x2 on snow tires killed the 4x4, tires are what makes or break traction, of you have the wrong tires, then any amount of tech and power a vehicle has doesn't matter

That’s why I put real WildPeaks on my Outback Can’t wait to test them out!

AND Why I put DMV2's on Year round.............Paul

@@imblackmagic1209 Absolutely well said. If anyone reading this needs new tires and your ride can accept Mich. Cross Climate 2, couldn't recommend this tire enough such a game changer

@@neildeatherage2269 yes, tires certainly matter. With equal tires, the Subaru is far superior in these tests.

…without the same tires on each? Not suggesting a Toyota is good off-road. They aren’t good for much beyond getting groceries. Still an unfair test anytime the tires are different, unless the manufacturers request it.

@@WontSeeReplies Yes and no, run what you brung is the one way to look at it because that’s how they come from the factory but to say one system or vehicle is better without putting the same tires on is unfair…….you can have a better system overall and if a manufacturer gets a “deal” or is has a relationship wit one tire manufacturer it could hamper a better system because of it. I would like to see a channel actually test with the same tires to see which vehicles are best in these situations be after that first set of tires most people don’t get what the manufacturer sends it out with! 🤔🤷🏽‍♂️

@@WontSeeReplies tires are everything. Wouldn't hurt to have a good driver either lol

Should have swapped and had the rav4 run first on the second test.

Absolutley

Ryan real show man))) He needs bigger show ..but dont forget about Nickki..alright?))

The other "testers" would have stopped as soon as they spun a tire. Course a certain group of testers are blacklisted by Subaru, which is great as they can't do a fair review to save their lives anyways....Ryan does such a great job in his real world reviews.

@@wildbill23c They got blacklisted for damaging an Outback press car, because the route to their old off road test hill has a section that will pinstripe any vehicle. They finally opted to buy a piece of land and construct an off road course.

The guy used all the momentum with Subaru and none with the RAV4

@@sarunassurvila7857 toyota fans see momentum at subaru but i see how careful about toyota they are)

Yeah getting dug out it sure helped it look better

Get over yourself. Your granddaughter def smarter than you for picking a YOTA 😂

Toyota only made it because they stole subaru awd tech when they own 30% of subaru. Notice how toyota suddenly have all cars awd and not using their old reliable awd system like the 4runner and land cruiser.

You’d still be on your first Toyota if you’d have bought one.

@@warweaponx6629 👍

I generally lease because hey...new car smell more frequently 😜😜. My 4th Toyota and on my second Rav4 LE AWD. Great winter car. Running Blizzaks and no issue in the winter.

I agree. The Rav 4 is no slouch.

shout out to my brother n sister subaru fans! im a firm believer in subaru, theyve been doing the same exact engine for past 60yrs should tell you something

Great comparison! It would be fun to do it again with Blizzaks on both vehicles.

It better be for 20% more bank.

The rav4 is great for soccer moms in the city thats about it

So true.

Exactly, Otherwise I would have purchased one.. In a flash!!!

@@Kiss__Kiss To be fair. It would probably increase the price by 10% or more. So maybe it's alright they didn't. An option would be nice. Especially for those at high altitude. That turbo would really help.

@@onedankind Even at only 10% more of a cost, I still would have purchased one.

Rav4 has about 20 more HP, 10 more tq than the WIlderness. Add in the comfy stuff, and the 10 extra Cu Ft of room behind 2nd row, is it worth the $6k extra?

I totally agree with you because if you have different tires on the vehicles being compared, it will never be a fair comparison.

Dude TFL is a bunch of tools. #sorrynotsorry. Ryan is so far above them on every level

So spot-on comment. TFL was great

It’s not hard to be better than tfl.

Tfl is crunchy. They suck

TFL is biased against Subaru. Ryan is not biased toward a brand. That's the difference. Plus Ryan is much less annoying.

This RAV4 of mine is 2017 model, and my third Toyota car, I live in NY state and we get at times a lot of snow (up to 8 to 10 inch) and if you know a little bit about driving in snow, I never ever needed to shovel or get this car out of anything, put it in AWD and just go...

Did you have the base model

With 7,000 USD difference in the Two and Clearance; I would go with the Subaru of any Forester and drive the Subaru for 20 years then buy a brand new Subaru Forester 2025 Japan Made; vs. RAV4 America; with the Interests and/or Capital Gain that we/I have in the Subaru; In fact I could purchase even in 2020 Brand New Forester and then resell the 2020 to get the 2025 Forester Wilderness which will have been completely Changed in Style and Trims and Powers.

Go cry with you awesome Toyota’s

You if I was to go smaller SUV again and I was looking now it would be the TRD off road with over 200 HP and a real 8 speed transmission and the only thing id own again in a Subaru is the turbo engine as it makes enough HP to make you forget about how bad the CVT is. Id never again consider something like my 2020 Forester Premium with a CVT and 182 HP just not enough that little HP+CVT makes it sluggish unless you flogg it... mine has 2 modes.. Flogg it and youre ok but it sounds like your trying to kill the Hamsters on that wheel in the engine... or drive it like you would any regular transmission car and the HP+CVT= you driving along like a 80 year old grandmother trying to figure out their first traffic circle they encountered..

We live in Weather Cold ─ Minus -40°F/C sometimes and the Subaru Legacy 1992 Model ─ with less than 1/2 hour plug-in Block-heater it can run on right away; except once it was so cold the Tire went Flat .. then all we had to do was driving to the Station and Pumped new air then since that until now the Winter-tires/Rims replaced/Rotated (Bridgestone Japan Made imported ─ Of Course then the Label Heavy Fuji Industry still was the Trademark of the Subaru Brand. The total cost of Ownership and repairment was like 16-17k Dollars and only some wiring needed to be rewired ─ when we went to the Dealership Subaru to have the Timing-belt changed ─ Original since 1992; The Technician Mechanics said the Timing-belt was older than she was - Oh My G! 😂 😂...

Have you experienced any technical issues with your 2021 Forester? Thank you!

@@deller5924 Nope, no technical issues as of yet. Still running strong.

@@quantumfzx Awesome.

@@quantumfzx Which model Forester did you get? I'd like to get one, but just wondering if the upgrades and price are worth forking out for the Wilderness model vs Premium. Especially if the lower-priced models work just as well in heavily snowed areas. Thanks

the Compass isn't the real Trailhawk, for that you need the Cherokee or GC, they are the only two Trailhawk models with low range and a locker. The FW won't touch the Cherokee TH in an off road situation

@@mrvwbug4423 Well those models aren't the proper comparisons / competition, are they? I hope you feel real good that you believe the FW would not be able to "touch" such models in off-road situations.

@@mrvwbug4423 ...and the Forester isn't meant to! How many more thousands of dollars did you spend on your TH?? $20,000+ MORE for the GC Trailhawk!!! For that much more money I'd get a boat with a trailer.

they're actually snow rated, snowflake symbol that is

@@puffdc For OEM tires, on something that isn't a Wrangler or Bronco, they're really good.

Snowflake symbol by itself doesn’t mean a ton. Only a slight traction improvement needed to meet that threshold. Huge range exists within tires with snowflake category

@SFRJ agreed. The rubber is slight more compliant in lower temp and traction is only tested in a straight line.

My Wilderness turned over to a thousand miles yesterday. Got stuck driving 70 miles home in a blizzard. Not one mistep from this vehicle. So impressed.

live in CO and you will know the diff...

Yeah, the Raptor is a monster, and it had to plow up that last hill in worse conditions. But the other cars have one advantage the Raptor, and other 4x4's don't have, and that is their much reduced weight. Those cars are very light vs their traction capabilities, and would have been even better slightly aired down. The Bronco is a superior beast, but at least half of that added power and 4x4 capability HAS to be there to handle the significantly increased weight of those systems themselves. This is why if you have a Bronco sport, Subaru Outback or Forester, or Rav4, the last thing you want to do is defeat your biggest advantage, and loade it up with 800 more pounds of offroad crap like winches and roof tents etc. That's fine if you are just camping on fireroads, but if you want to go thru soft sand and snow, or really rutted terrain, or steep inclines, you want to keep as light as possible, because that is your ace in the hole. You are a billy goat. I carry a minimal amount of emergency tools, a tow hitch, super lightweight snow chains that are just for legal requirement show, and s kinetic tow rope. Then I have food and water, an electic cooler and a power station with solar panels. And that is ALL I will carry. I bought everything with weight in mind and although it would be nice to have twice the gear and clothes and tents, it would mess up my MPG and my ability to soft road harder trails. Databyter

the geolandars are actually pretty great in snow from my experience on them the last two winters

@@MrSmith-rk4jq Agreed. I don't have extensive experience with them but I bought my car in the winter about an hours drive from snow, and I went thru some foot high snow, that had even thicker drifts from plowing, and I had to park on a shoulder that was very deep with ruts and was basically deep snow. I thought it might have been hard to get out of their when I got back to my car, but just like when it drove in, it drove right out. I didn't use Xmode. Didn't need to air down. And because of traffic I was stuck driving on this shoulder field area for quite a ways before I could get back into traffic. Not exactly an extensive winter test, but enough to tell that these tires had NO problem in snow. I did however sell them with a few hundred miles on them for the Falkens two sizes bigger and never looked back. Both are great tires. I think the Falkens stand taller, both physically and metaphorically. Databyter

Tyres really inadequate. Especially on Toyota

@@pavelvasin9137 Yes, the tread didn't look at all aggressive.

Anxious to see what they bring in '24. I've read that it'll be a new generation.

And does just fine as far as acceleration . It's not a freaking Corvette.

@@WildernessForever Yes a Forester with 500 HP would be hilarious, but all I meant was if they can make the Outback XT... would love that to come to the Forester.

Yeah no doubt on the acceleration. Scared me a couple times in dicey merging situations where I couldnt get to speed confidently. Pray and throttle!

I bet you could squeeze out another 20 to 30 hp with some aftermarket tuning and minor upgrades to the engine.

This is not entirely true. Most Stellantis brands (Fiat, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep) aren't reliable, regardless.

Hmmm what preventive maintenance to do for your engine to last more than 200k before the head gasket get blown and etc that comes with those boxer engine while toyotas keep runing for ever...

So true about the Trailhawk, that's practically a beast in it's own category. But for the same reason, I got rid of my Jeep reluctantly, after the warranty expired it became an alligator, spending more time in the repair shop than on the road. The Toyota/Subaru options are the next best thing once a person has had it with non-stop repairs, even if in stock form they leave something to be desired as compared to Jeep abilities. Easy enough to take both Toyota's and Subaru 's up a notch in capabilities through aftermarket options.

But it didn’t.

@@Redhawk24 where it didn't. Toyota was stuck

I agree that the Subaru has an advantage here with price and ability. The Toyota is the winner in the long run with its superb reliability.

@Harold Beauchamp is that an unbiased review or do you just personally like toyotas better?

@@floppinfish 10 years as an executive warranty claims administrator tells me which manufacturers have an elevated amount of problems. Policies that are underwritten use repair data to determine risk. That is how I base my opinions. Plus, my company owned a fleet of Subaru Foresters in 2014. So I have first hand experience with what goes wrong and when.

That wet snow is a monster of its own.

Interesting! I've been a Subaru owner for the past 12 years and thinking of trading in my 2021 Subaru STI for the 2022 RAV4 TRD edition because my kids are getting bigger. Looking forward to trying the Toyota AWD going to ski hills and stuck in blizzards; I'll definitely get Nokian or Michelin winter tires.

Rav4 is perfect for the city, if you want to go offroad every now and then you pick the forester, better clearance and awd system

Also looking at the 2024 Forester Wilderness edition, hard to beat yes! @@jeffreya8329

I used to have that same question and dont think Ive found it possible to be in sport mode with X-mode. Ill give it a try today to be sure though.

@@alozano793 please let me know what you find out!

Where i live in Colorado, Subarus are everywhere. Because they go in snow better than most all other vehicles, and have good gas mileage.

As opposed to Asymmetrical

_Falken_ Wildpeak

You can get used low millage engines at jdm exporters for 1800 cad already with a new timing chain and cam gears set. 😊

The Hybrid will likely be comparable ... until the battery goes flat, then you lose your AWD entirely, the RAV4 Hybrid AWD system is an electric motor for the rear wheels. Though on pavement the hybrid RAV4 probably drives nicer than the regular one

TFL did a pretty honest test with the Rav4 hybrid and it performed very well for what it us. Generally, the limitations seemed to be the stock all season tires followed by clearance issues. With the fake Wildpeaks the Woodland will probably have a comparable performance as seen here. Of note, the three wheel slip test seemed to really confuse the Rav4. Otherwise, it performs quite well for what it is marketed as.

I would not assume awd / snow performance would be the same. Make sure to look to some of the detailed hybrid videos. I believe Alex on Autos revealed that for the Lexus RX450 system, the rear electric motor had inferior power for winter awd performance. This alone swayed me to not get the hybrid version since I live in Minnesota and regularly end up on unplowed roads. Not sure if the hybrid RAV4 is the same 2 motor set up as in the Lexus.

@@mrvwbug4423 That's not how it works. The battery doesn't go "flat" - once the battery starts to deplete, the engine turns on to charge the batteries to ensure they have adequate power. There's no such thing as a 'flat' drive battery in a hybrid.

Tires are everything.

@@drivingsports Big part of off-roading is the tires. You can have the best 4x4 on earth and you still can get stuck with bad tires and unexperienced driver.

FJ'S are super heavy for their size. They are very capable, but the advantage of the Rav4 is that you've got a lot of traction and very little weight to bog you down.

Great choice. Out of my price range but after watching these videos…….Subaru wilderness all the way🏆🥇

I'm glad to know they have a heated steering wheel option. I'll take that over heated seats any day... though I know they go together.

The rav4 is shit seats are hard as a rock,loud and noisy the engine is a little punchy but sounds like its throwing a bearing while doing so the awd systems are to quick to deactivate

Congrats on your RAV4. Definitely a great buy. I agree with the looks too.

Anything after 2020 in the Subaru Outback XT line, or others with the Turbo powered engine, will also tow 3500. Most Rav4's that are not Adventure trim or TRD will only tow 1500 I think. But if you tow alot I think I'd be more comfortable with a traditional transmission in the Rav4, especially since you can change the oil and maintain it. Subaru says to NOT change the CVT fluid on their vehicles. If you tow, I think it is smart to change the fluid more often. Subaru America claims that this is basically never needing to be changed. Maybe 60-90 K if you do. I figure if you are towing a lot at close to capacity, it should be 4 times as much.

@@Databyter The Warranty and Maintenance booklet says, "When the vehicle is frequently operated under severe driving conditions**, CVT fluid replacement (if applicable) should be performed every 24,855 miles (40,000 km)." **Examples of Severe Driving Conditions: [pretty much anything other than leaving it parked]

@@default7950 Mine says THIS, and I used Copy and Paste directly from the Owners Manual of my 22 Outback Wilderness. "Warranty and Maintenance Booklet Continuously Variable Transmission Fluid-There is no fluid level gauge. It is unnecessary to check the continuously variable transmission fluid level. However, if necessary, consult your SUBARU dealer for inspection." Under the Maint. schedule it says 36K and 66k, or each 24K if under severe driving conditions which is NOT everything other than parked, but includes most notably TOWING. And it also says somewhere that this is a function that should be performed by your dealership. It is not recommended to change CVT oil yourself, although, personally I would after researching the procedure, which should be straighforward. However if there are maintence anti tamper seals that may void warranties, you're better off getting it done to protect your warrantee in SOME situtations. Databyter

👋👍Subaru!

Toyota has much better reliability

@@mikefoehr235 Subaru is as reliable.

@@CRVgarage I call bull💩 on that