2022 Subaru Forester Wilderness Review and Off-Road Test

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We finally get behind the wheel of the 2022 Subaru Forester Wilderness, the carmakers second member of the Wilderness family following the very successful Outback Wilderness. Can this smaller crossover tackle big adventure? We head to Bend, Oregon to find out.
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CONTENTS
00:00 - Introduction
00:31 - Features
09:56 - Driving Impressions (Including 0-60 test)
11:33 - Off-Road Testing
16:16 - Forest Road
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@wildernessinwilderness8032 2 жыл бұрын

Outback Wilderness Vs Forester Wilderness on your test mountain would be a huge video

@AidenAizumi 2 жыл бұрын

This right here!!! Please do this!

@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын

Should be pretty simple to know which is better. They have the same gearing, same software for offroading(Crosstrek Wilderness won't) the Forester is a bit lighter and has far better approach and departure angle which more than makes up for that 0.3" ground clearance loss in most scenarios.

@wildernessinwilderness8032 2 жыл бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan But would be interesting to see if the lack of horsepower effects the forester on steep climbs

@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын

@@wildernessinwilderness8032 My 2006 Forester with even worse gearing and crap power has enough power. It's never the limiting factor and I'm regularly over 8000' and haven't had issues at 11000 either'. I live at 4500' in Salt Lake and my Forester is a permanent minipcamper. The gearing(the new ones are better) and open diff is the problem for me. *I also have an oversized transmission cooler. But the power is fine

@Leo-wd8vq 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to it

@ME-gr8hz 2 жыл бұрын

Researched this car segment for the last 2 months, my findings, - 5th gen forester rated #1 in safety and readability over all others including RAV, trial hawk, honda and bronco. That said, it has been a long road for Subaru from the CVT tranny , oil consumption, head gasket issues of past generation vehicles. At 6'3, CR just announced the Forester is #1 with tall drivers as well, no surprise as the "green house" visibility is very attractive. All the safety dings can be disabled permanently, with the exception of engine on/off at stop. After market solution will solve that as well. So, I will be picking up my Subaru Forester Wilderness / pearl white next week. Comfortable driving on and off road, safety and readability, looks, honest service advisors that I have visited with during this time, all have pushed me this direction. And finally driving my daughters 2017 Forester premium, sold me on being a Subie owner. Suggested maintenance to ensure long life; 30k diff (F/R) service, 40k CVT Transmission service, and oil changes every 4k. HAPPY TRAILS

@lukespack 2 жыл бұрын

The Forester Wilderness passed all your tests with flying colors. Most people will never need anything more.

@pizzasaurolophus 2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say that, the guy went on some light logging/forest access roads and severely damaged a skid plate which could be a repair bill of a few hundred dollars. That's exactly what you get when you lightly offroad these crossover vehicles compared to a SUV.

@asymsolutions 2 жыл бұрын

@@pizzasaurolophus This, plus there is a difference from going down a private dirt road and going through actual trails. Even then there is the question of "how often". If you even weekly what they test drove this vehicle on. Don't expect that suspension and drivetrain to last 100k without some much needed repairs. I know this from experience, I've been able to handle an Ur-allroad through stuff my jeep buds had issues with. That being said, my Allroad even for a low mileage example got beat up drivetrain wise very fast.

@pizzasaurolophus 2 жыл бұрын

@@asymsolutions for sure. I have an R51 pathfinder with 2 inch lift and 32s my ground clearance is like 11 inches and its still not enough, i am always nervous on real offroad trails, it has no articulation compared to a wrangler, but like 3 times as much as a cross trek and often i get that nervous feeling when you go on 3 wheels, that's when you feel like you're going to break something. I imagine taking one of these Subaru CUVs off road would just constantly be that worrisome feeling in your gut which would be terrible. You feel GOOD when your vehicle just crawls over some obstacle like it's nothing. When you have to go on 3 wheels slipping,sliding and tetering back and forth it's no fun at all.

@RKmndo 2 жыл бұрын

@@pizzasaurolophus My Jeep YJ suspension busted several times within 100K miles. You could also disconnect both anti-swaybars on a Subie, if you want more articulation. High-clearance steel bumpers, rockers, a rear locker/LSD, and some aggressive tires, could make this Forester even better offroad.

@martinr8278 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Wonderful vehicle. Viva Subaru

@wvusmc 2 жыл бұрын

Having hard buttons for climate control and the heated seats makes this far more appealing for me than the Outback and it's giant clunky touchscreen.

@kenhoward3512 2 жыл бұрын

'Also nice to have the physical switch to defeat the "auto stop/start" feature (do other Forester models have the toggle?).

@EveryTacoInLA 2 жыл бұрын

Omg. As a Wilderness Outback owner who came from a 2017 WRX, I miss buttons. The touch screen on the Outback is a hazard to the driver and the road.

@chris5459 2 жыл бұрын

@SnowBoarder&Skier no they just overpay and are too afraid to admit they made a mistake buying into hype.

@alanmay7929 2 жыл бұрын

@SnowBoarder&Skier those tesla drivers are actually boring because they don't do activities that subaru drivers can do, imagine braking your screen in the middle of nowhere you can't control the simples things without the tesla screen.

@MrSmith-rk4jq 2 жыл бұрын

@@alanmay7929 how the hell would you shatter the screen inside your car lmao

@TWAAAAACKS 2 жыл бұрын

Crosstrek Wilderness is coming Summer '23 and that'll be my 1st Subaru.

@David-dx5wz 9 ай бұрын

I have some coming in now selling for MSRP in Buffalo NY

@dankramer7840 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see you review the Outback Wilderness on your new off-road test track

@wildernessinwilderness8032 2 жыл бұрын

As an Outback Wilderness Owner, I will say I'm jealous of the 2 cameras at once, and physical AC/X mode buttons... having everything controlled by a touch screen becomes annoying AF

@KTMcaptain 2 жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious that companies are selling different traction control profiles and making them only available on certain models. . At least with a locker or lsd it costs more to make the vehicle.

@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын

@@KTMcaptain It makes sense in that they're limiting the vehicles they warranty for pushing it's limits. It's weird but buying these packages is almost like buying more warranty coverage.

@alanmay7929 2 жыл бұрын

@@tball84 the problem is that subaru still uses very old techs like who still uses a cd in 2021?! By adding a reworked Samsung tablet as infotainment it should have made the experience way better tbh.

@ZachMauch 2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about the Harmon Karmon Audio. I don't know why Subaru left that off of the Outback.

@eliteinventor 2 жыл бұрын

@@alanmay7929 I use CDs , in the middle of nowhere radio or streaming doesn't always work

@searchBLOC941 2 жыл бұрын

Ryan, omg. I really love and appreciate all of your content. Very professional, but still feels one on one. Also, you are so thorough, and don't just do information from a screen or website. Actual footage, out in the field, testing things.

@billderas3420 2 жыл бұрын

With useful reviews like this one...You have become my favorite vehicle reviewer over the past few months. Keep up the great work!

@drivingsports 2 жыл бұрын

Honored! Thanks for watching!

@jcollins1305 2 жыл бұрын

Really like this channel! Lots of info, and reviews presented clearly and without any distractions. Please don’t mess with a good thing!

@MIkegrimm2 2 жыл бұрын

I have always seen the Subaru as a great all weather vehicle (snow/slush/ice/wet/dry). I believe that is where they excel, but it is great that you can show what they can really do off the beaten path.

@laborcreatescapital9483 2 жыл бұрын

Really good review, I feel like this video demonstrated capabilities as well as ones on the new private track do and definitely makes this a very appealing Forester. As a 2020 Outback owner, I’m very happy w/my it & would go Outback Wilderness over a Forester if opp presents. And, let me thank you for taking a moment to chat & selfie w/me at Subie Fest 2021 last weekend. Definitely was best part of the event to meet a YT channeler I follow. Hope to see the work you were producing there…if any????

@bho6486 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy watching your videos where you test a vehicle's abilities. Thank you.

@tammyeaton4791 Жыл бұрын

Somebody at work had purchased an outback wilderness. It was nice to be able to take a closer look at it. It’s actually a really nice looking rugged vehicle.

@andrewjarvis7777 2 жыл бұрын

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t tempted to trade in the 4runner ORP I just got for 43k. This is about the best vehicle you can get in this segment at this price. But I have smol pp and need the bigger vehicle to help compensate that.

@crusadeagainsttomatoes2518 2 жыл бұрын

wtf 😂

@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын

At least they're bigger than the dudes that have lifted diesels

@personalfunfest 2 жыл бұрын

brah!!

@fynthemtns 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry about your peenor. Nice Toyota tho

@crusadeagainsttomatoes2518 2 жыл бұрын

I want to sell my 06 LC100 to buy a Subaru, because here in Denmark, the LC costs around 3000 dollars yearly in tax, that’s not including fuel, insurance or anything else…

@nathanm6143 2 жыл бұрын

These Wilderness versions are definitely a trend in the right direction for more off-road capability. I still think there needs to be a true off-road version, so it will be interesting to see how they evolve over the next few years. For now, it looks like a nice marriage between practicality and mild adventure

@wildbill23c 2 жыл бұрын

Would be cool if they'd do the Ascent Wilderness with a low range 4WD, true low range, not just locking the transmission in 1st gear like many are doing. Maybe a limited slip differential, or the option of limited slip front and rear in the Ascent Wilderness combined with low range and the Xmode I bet Subaru would sell a lot of them, and if they'd get the ground clearance up a bit more they'd sell quite well to those who love Subaru, but have migrated to the 4Runner, Jeep, etc. Subaru has the capability to build a cool offroader, but they don't. Maybe go back to a 6 or 8 speed automatic for the Ascent Wilderness and do all the above mentioned...I'd certainly look into one. I don't do any major offroading, but having something I can just jump in and go up to the mountains in the snow if I want, go camping, etc. would be nice.

@me_ca136 2 жыл бұрын

@@wildbill23c but then it qould not be a conpetitor to the 4runner but more to the landcruiser if you consider the size! And they allready compared the outback wilderness to the 4runner themself

@wildbill23c 2 жыл бұрын

@@me_ca136 The 4Runner isn't even the same class of vehicle as any Subaru, so whoever is trying to compare them to a 4Runner shouldn't be doing vehicle reviews or comparisons.

@xfozzypx115 2 жыл бұрын

@@wildbill23c they used the 4 runners off-road prowess as a benchmark.. doesn’t take much to figure that one out.

@hcemsubs 2 жыл бұрын

@@xfozzypx115 They missed that mark then.

@broinsocali 9 ай бұрын

2024 Outback Wilderness here. Just brought her home. Love it. Good stuff my man.

@TCDynasty 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for all your work you put into this vid

@beatboxgaming4937 2 жыл бұрын

Just ordered mine thanks to this video 👍🏽👍🏽

@SenorGato237 2 жыл бұрын

As a life long Oregonian and often Subaru owner, I just want to say: Thank you for pronouncing the states name right. Oh, also, yeah, looks like I found my new car.

@shelbyc7285 Жыл бұрын

Ordered mine back in July, anxiously waiting for it to get here!

@justinguerreso2104 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video! This is exactly what I was looking for (and expected). I use my slightly modified crosstrek with that garbage engine (147 hp) to attempt to get to trailheads deep in the wilderness in Colorado. It is frequently defeated before other cars, even such as the CRV. Subarus seem great and *some* off-roading work, but really struggle when put to the test of big dips off-road. The skid plates are a must.

@marclescarbot2107 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2023 on order. This very helpful video helped me decide to do that.

@shitsandwich1983 2 жыл бұрын

i fitted those yokohama's to my wife's 2008 forester and they are pretty great. i was pleased with how well they did in oregon's snow storm last year.

@martinr8278 2 жыл бұрын

I’d love to get this or the up and coming crosstrek wilderness. Looks and functions amazingly. Viva Subaru Wilderness. Just looks like it’s in its element, no issues.

@stevemartegani 2 жыл бұрын

That shot with the dust devil blowing by as you drove by was really neat!

@toronado455 2 жыл бұрын

dust devil? is that what that's called? 16:44

@davidjohn9006 Жыл бұрын

Niche, no bias, review demo … 👍🏼

@janhbhugo5085 Жыл бұрын

Nice vehicle, good report ! Thanks .

@davidmahan4160 2 жыл бұрын

Great review, I look forward to you testing it on your private testing ground. 😊👍

@janoskovacs11 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video! Thank you!

@calebjared75 2 жыл бұрын

I love my SK Forester (2020), no complaints as a family car. I’ll be installing Flatout Suspension next week. Installing larger diameter tires and going down to 17” from those ridiculous 18” made a huge improvement. I’m only jealous of the all black ceiling interior on that wilderness.

@ALEKS-wx7hd 7 ай бұрын

Hai 225 65 17 ?

@6denashi608 Жыл бұрын

I only have one Subaru remaining in what was a fleet of Subies over the years. After my 3rd blown head gasket, I am trying out Toyotas now. But this Wilderness model is very attractive. I loved the way my 2019 Forester Sport handled on the road. Great reviews as always. Best on KZfaq.

@shaktishaker Жыл бұрын

Were you doing proper maintenance?

@kevtop351 2 жыл бұрын

Another Great review, thanks?

@feliperodrigues7089 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome review. Can't wait to see that added info about the difference in the transmission between Outback & Forester. Keep up with the great videos. Saw a few other channels posting stuff but I've gotta check out your review first. Great seeing you at SubieFest a couple of weeks ago. That's was an awesome turn out and it was cool to see a Forester Wilderness in person. Still thinking about possibly trading in my '19 Sport for the Wilderness or if I should just spend some extra money to upgrade it a bit. That Transmission video will give me the data points I feel that are the biggest improvements/changes. Take care.

@Evoque2020 2 жыл бұрын

This car will be in my list! 😍😍

@huddleen 2 жыл бұрын

I got my Ascent with Falken Wildpeak ATs up and back down that road you were on. Was a real pucker factor going through that deep rut segment but it handled it no issues.

@huddleen 2 жыл бұрын

@Ray this is a pretty well travelled route and the only way in or out. If you got stuck in the part I mentioned I expect there’d be plenty of folks to help you if only to get you out of the way. It also helps that it’s much easier coming back down than up so if you don’t make it on the way up you can usually just back out. In other situations I have no idea… bring some rescue gear or call for help. I try to always have some way to make emergency calls if only a satellite beacon.

@rosemarylyons7981 2 жыл бұрын

Early 2022. To get one of these, at least in my area, you need to purchase before it ever arrives at the dealership. Waiting for mine to arrive now. It's "in transit." Can't wait to pick it up!

@Doc1855 Жыл бұрын

I Love my Forester Touring. I don’t take it serious off roading but our private road and driveway is considered light off roading in the winter months. I considered a Wilderness, but for serious off road, we take our 4X4 pickup. Great review Ryan

@d.s.5807 Жыл бұрын

Interior cubic ft of the Outback vs. Forester is actually identical! Great video I can't wait to get our Forester Wilderness in that beautiful Geyser Blue

@SeanRainey 2 жыл бұрын

What a badass vehicle... Back to my 2015 Forester lol

@bikesbeardsbeers94 2 жыл бұрын

I wasn’t sold on this initially but it’s grown on me. Really looks like a solid daily driver. I could probably do the same with an inch lift and tires on the Sport I have, but for a drive off the lot adventure machine, this is perfect for the target audience.

@borger99 2 жыл бұрын

Everything I wanted out of the sport trim

@UnitedStates. 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t the lift and tires be as expensive as if you just fo straight with the wilderness?

@eazyle 2 жыл бұрын

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@johnmccool6875 Жыл бұрын

the upgraded CVT is worth the money alone, ups tow capacity as well

@Snafu2346 Жыл бұрын

I've been comparing a few models, my mind says Rav 4 hybrid because that's the practical route. But even if I wanted it, I can't find any. Not even gas ones. I was looking at Foresters, and I like the Wilderness, though the Sport would probably do everything I need. Though I tow a trailer and bike it would encroach near the limit of the 1500lbs the Sport is rated at. I may get another bike one day and it would exceed the limit. The Wildereness 3000lbs towing would be enough, but 5mpg hit in the long term seems high.

@greatguy4076 2 жыл бұрын

The Wilderness CVT gearing: 1st gear is 4.07:1, compared to 3.60 on the standard Forester. Reverse is 4.38 compared to 3.69. Combined with the 4.11 final drive, you can feel the difference. I can plow through deep sand no problem! Of course this is not a true off-road vehicle, but for mild stuff, it's pretty decent. Nice review BTW. One thing you touch on (pun intended) is the plethora of buttons. Plus it can be a bit confusing, as some settings can be configured from the Info panel on the center console, and the exact same setting is available in the dash menu. Wish they would clean that up so each setting is available in one location only.

@TheBeatenPaths 2 жыл бұрын

I like how Subaru give you both the static & dynamic weights for the roofrack. Most manufactures (that I know of), don't give either one, or even roof capacity if no factory rack.

@nickknee3515 2 жыл бұрын

Another great review at another epic location. I gotta move out west and see some of these places, or at least visit there, too many wildfires and earthquakes for me.

@MIkegrimm2 2 жыл бұрын

That was a good review, and I would be really interested to see those reviews on your private test track.

@mikoajolbrych9879 2 жыл бұрын

Leaving work earlier to watch this ;)

@johneason6540 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2019 forester sport. I put the yoko get on in and 28 inch wheels with a 2 inch lift. I love it. The forester has more head room for me to sit up with the rear seat down. I travelband overland with it. I do wish the turbo was available in this model. It it was I would switch and modify it again

@adamrenissance3322 2 жыл бұрын

CVT. I have a 21 Outback Limited with the 2.5. I recently took it on a drive up I-77 in the West Virginia mountains. I loved that the CVT was smooth and changed effortlessly. It was much better than my Chevy Equinox that kept searching up and down through the gears as topography changed.

@crabjay7086 2 жыл бұрын

CVT on the Subbie, that has been a factor that holds me from getting one...

@adamrenissance3322 2 жыл бұрын

@@crabjay7086 It really depends on what kind of driving you do. If you drive aggressively and like to "wind it out" that is get every rev out of each gear before changing, then the CVT is not for you. If you are looking for a daily driver that will give you good service and great gas mileage then you will enjoy the CVT. The power will depend on whether you get a turbo or not. I understand there might be a little turbo lag, but the turbo boost will make up for it. From my research, Subaru has the best CVT on the market.

@crabjay7086 2 жыл бұрын

@@adamrenissance3322 thanks for the input Adam.

@desitinationunknown3795 2 жыл бұрын

I just ordered one today!

@sbaddison 2 жыл бұрын

Looks very impressive 👍🏻

@rightlanehog3151 2 жыл бұрын

Ryan, It looks like this is the best trip you have been on since the Death Valley voyage in your 22:25 4Runner ;-) Speaking of Toyota, I hope TMC takes notes on the generous rear head and leg room provide dby the Forester.

@jppilotadventurez5251 2 жыл бұрын

Patiently waiting for the passport review 😁😁

@TheHuggmg 2 жыл бұрын

Great review, I would've sold my wife's 2016 Forrester Touring and bought a new Wilderness Forrester...but I just cannot do it when it doesn't come with the new 260 hp Turbo engine...literally a huge selling point for me. Keep up the great content!

@jeremyanddanaeferguson6020 2 жыл бұрын

The turbo yes is faster but overall the driveablitiy in the 2019 and is improve and much better epa the newer model smoother and handles better and just the improvements made to wilderness it even better for 22 and something you need to understand it not a race car

@jeremyanddanaeferguson6020 2 жыл бұрын

Plus acual 0 to 60 is 7.9 on the wilderness

@RandyAugustus 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeremyanddanaeferguson6020 doesn’t matter. More power is more power. That power can get you unstuck and tow more .

@Aaron-ui9tj 2 жыл бұрын

I could almost give up the power if they would contract out the transmission to somebody like ZF.

@domjfante8140 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeremyanddanaeferguson6020 There's no way the Forester wilderness does 7.9 in most situations with this powertrain. Maybe at sea level with a 90 pound driver.

@jacob-t-s Жыл бұрын

The washboard on the forest roads in the Deschutes NF is super gnarly. Any non-subaru crossover will blow out its shocks in one summer of forest road driving in Oregon

@figaro410 2 жыл бұрын

great review! Nice trail! If they make an Ascent Wilderness they can just take my money!!!!

@27Zangle 2 жыл бұрын

I have always liked both the Outback and Forester models. I think the Forester Wilderness looks better than the Outback Wilderness. Although, a simple wheel change would help the Outback Wilderness immensely. The same wheels on the Forester look a bit better for the proportions. The only issue is the lack of turbo, I think they should have included, maybe with a different tune and a little less horsepower. I suppose I would buy the Outback.

@sonidosdeltrono1089 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome work! I just follow you as of now.

@toronado455 2 жыл бұрын

Just realized how great it would be to have a hybrid version of this due to the electric motor not being negatively effected by high altitude and could compensate for the gas engine's drop in performance at high altitude.

@WildernessForever Жыл бұрын

How you gonna charge it out in the middle of nowhere? A Jerry can full of electricity?

@toronado455 Жыл бұрын

@@WildernessForever Plug in hybrids have HUGE range. You don't need a Jerry can because you have a fuel tank.

@jss_510 9 ай бұрын

@@WildernessForeverkey word.. HYBRID

@mitch11atv 2 жыл бұрын

people always seem very concerned about the cvt but it seems like in recent years with proper maintenance they are hardly an issue

@Wrang15 2 жыл бұрын

They just replace em... Gfs outback 2014 got a new one at 67k ... took Subaru 5 days free of charge with a free loaner

@bfboobie 2 жыл бұрын

had a 2015 forester and was blown away how comfy and capable it was living in and exploring the rocky mountains. huuuge amount of storage, very comfortable, great handling, almost impossible to get it stuck, fantastic in snow and mud, rocks, etc. Looks like a '22 wildnerness upgrade would be 100% capable of being a perfect all around adventure rig. My only issue was the CVT in the 2015 and lack of ability to select a low gear for descending super snowy slick steep downhill mountain highways without tapping the breaks (dangerous!). The CVT even in 'low gear' didn't allow for enough engine braking, but we managed. we didn't have x mode or the paddle shifters tho... Too bad they don't offer an actual stick shift manual clutch for the last several years...

@doctordryan 2 жыл бұрын

Which varient of the 2015 did you have? I recently got a 15 turbo diesel cvt, trying to ascertain how capable it is off road with that transmission...

@bfboobie 2 жыл бұрын

@@doctordryan had the base model 2.5 gas engine with CVT. Only bell or whistle were the roof racks which were useful. had stopped making the manual by 2015, which was a huge bummer but it was still unstoppable off road. I had driven my friends '12 or '13 iirc, stick shift non-turbo, and it was a dream for offroading. CVT just doesn't have a low enough 'gear' but meh it works. I think with any motor or tranny, Forester is just too damn good in slick or rough terrain.

@mrpink3630 Жыл бұрын

@@bfboobie i can stop that pyle on a trail 20 mins from my house. lol...

@salsamancer 8 ай бұрын

Even on the current gen i can tell you that engine braking going downhill is not great, even in the lowest "gear" you can set on the paddle shifters. Just going down the ramp into the parking garage at work it picks up a lot of speed, i don't see this negotiating a serious downhill without a lot of braking

@bfboobie 8 ай бұрын

@salsamancer it's a shame! The rest of the world still sees plenty of love and use of manual cars, yet allegedly there is no market anymore in the USA. The brake tapping on steep downhill passes in winter mountains in a CVT is much more dangerous than a true 1st or 2nd gear manual selection. I have only a vague understanding of how CVT works, but I guess it's a pretty limited system if even by now they can't get a low enough "gear" to safely go down steep grades in winter conditions, where subies are supposed to shine for safety and capability. In my experience it was either tap the brakes and occasionally lose traction and start sliding or spinning, or gain speed and risk getting way too close to the traffic ahead, which likely had an actual low gear to maintain low speed. CVT ughhh.. bring back manuals to the USA pleease, like the rest of the world still uses.

@morganmcbride9696 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see you compare the RAV4 TRD Pro to the Outback Wilderness to see two companies "off road CUVs"

@andrewr1355 2 жыл бұрын

Love it. Probably still want to wait until I see some longer term reviews on that CVT first tho 😬

@alanmay7929 2 жыл бұрын

I hope subaru could have added 1 or 2 gears on that cvt like toyota did with their own cvt.

@jackhoyer7467 2 жыл бұрын

@@alanmay7929 I think they may have added one ? There’s one more lower gear on the paddle shifter I think?

@stickybee2 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you mentioned the 4runner =)

@drivingsports 2 жыл бұрын

Of course. 😂

@hukmai 2 жыл бұрын

Dayum that hood release underneath the attached emblem..chefs kiss

@drivingsports 2 жыл бұрын

I was hoping someone would notice that.

@hukmai 2 жыл бұрын

@@drivingsports finaggling underneath the hood for the latch with a hot engine has taught me to appreciate the little things 🤪

@billyrock8305 2 жыл бұрын

Physical buttons like a Porsche??!! I’m in!! ❤️ Highest rated car in Consumer Reports #1. Need 260 HP motor and 4k cameras. CVT sucks.

@LarsBohr5 2 жыл бұрын

I am seriously thinking of getting one of these. Wondering about getting the 18" wheels from the Outback with a lower profile summer tread and saving the Geolanders for the winter. The 182HP is plenty for me.

@WhatThePheel 2 жыл бұрын

Subaru Forester Wilderness vs Ford Bronco Sport in terms of off road / rock crawl would be a great decider video.

@colt2206 Жыл бұрын

Mine is best vehicle I ever purchased. It will never see any off road use but I like the increased ground clearance and rugged features. Mine has never got more than 22mpg in town but I don’t really care. The high ground clearance and semi off road tires are worth the decreased mileage. I don’t have to worry about pulling into driveway and having front drag on ground like the Hondas I had. Hopefully it will snow one day and I can try out the features

@bakhtiyarpakhirdinov2461 2 жыл бұрын

Subaru's got nice looking Levorg station wagon which is basically Impreza/Crosstrek. It has 1.8 turbo and sold in Japan and Europe and some other countries. The U.S. Subie fans would be certainly excited about Weird... sorry Wilderness version of Levorg.

@raymondhachmishvili4806 2 жыл бұрын

Subaru just keeps nailing it

@Stoneysilence Жыл бұрын

16:42 That's awesome that you caught a Dirt Devil on camera and drove through it there.

@JohnConnor636 2 жыл бұрын

Baja wilderness would be interesting. 3 inch lift, Independence suspension in the front & locking near differentials. Now that sounds interesting.

@Rockdrumdrumer 2 жыл бұрын

Always enjoy watching your test drive videos. Always honest opinion. It will good to see a head to head comparison of all these softroaders (e.g. Bronco Sport, Explorer Timberline, Rav4 Adventure etc.) Thanks!

@Mike_44 2 жыл бұрын

Love this car! Imagine if it had the Outback XT turbo motor! Then again, I like the mileage of the 2.5L engine in the Forester.

@wind7sailor 2 жыл бұрын

I was hoping that the Wilderness Forester was going to get the Full Wilderness package, especially the turbo engine. Just wanted a stronger, quicker engine in any Forester and was really hoping this would be the one; but the no-option, 1 engine only, cost saving mentality is still in place. The transmission tweak helps for the purpose of this vehicle.

@mountainbikingfortherestofus Жыл бұрын

@@wind7sailor I have a 2014 XT Forester and it is so much fun. I really want a new version but unless they bring the 2.0L turbo back I simply will not be buying a normally asperated version.

@kensai77 2 жыл бұрын

They need to offer the Forester Wilderness in a manual. I would love to see an off-road test of a CVT vs a manual transmission!

@4x4.tests.on.rollers 2 жыл бұрын

That would be more than just a comparison of CVT vs manual. That would be also a comparison of two different types of S-AWD systems.

@squidproquo2241 2 жыл бұрын

"They need to offer the Forester Wilderness in a manual." Rather you need to learn to enjoy the automatic.

@iwfur25 2 жыл бұрын

It feels like Subaru should be the next manufacturer to put an actual geared low range in a crossover-type vehicle like this. It's been 8 years since Jeep did it. Granted for Subaru it would be some engineering $$ as it would almost certainly have to be built into the transmission case as the AWD bits are in there already. There would be benefits like less strain on the CVT parts and the possibility of a more MPG-friendly final drive without killing the ability to climb steep stuff. What they have now though seems plenty good enough for "need to get through this tricky section". Low range would be nice for (the tiny minority of) folks who are into "off-road for hours".

@wildbill23c 2 жыл бұрын

The Grand Cherokee still has a true low range, but I think the current Cherokees just lock the transmission in 1st gear if I recall. I agree, if Subaru would do a true low range 4WD system, X-Mode, and maybe limited slip differentials they'd have a winner for sure...I'd love something like that, the Ascent or the Forester with those features would definitely get me into a Subaru. I loved the old 80's Subaru wagons with the manual 4WD with high and low range...the dang things would go anywhere. Low Range is nice to just keep you from being on the brakes all the time trying to keep lower speeds...but certainly a help in hill climbing too. It would help take some of the CVT related issues out of the equation in hill climbing scenarios where you run out of momentum and power before getting up the hill.

@iwfur25 2 жыл бұрын

@@wildbill23c Renegade/Compass do the "lock in 1st" for low range. Cherokee with the right options has true low range, 2.76:1 or something close to that. It's complicated, with a reduction gear set for each axle but it works. :)

@johnbainbridge9034 2 жыл бұрын

I very much doubt there is space to fit it. A good part of the reason they use a CVT rather than an 8-10 speed is because symmetrical AWD leaves limited space for the transmission. There is little reason to invest in the R&D to try get it to work when electric drivetrains without any need for gearing are on horizon anyway.

@schmojo33 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see how it tackles these obstacles at elevation with 4 people in it and a days worth of food and drinks in the back to simulate a common day out excursion. Granted people can get out and walk a hard obstacle but if its raining out then some people would have to be dragged out of the car before that happens. More people need to test these kinds of vehicles this way.

@asymsolutions 2 жыл бұрын

Looking at the obstacles, probably it would do okay, maybe a lil more rough for wear. The question is how often can you do this. If you look at any offroad centric vehicle as a tool, and look at your needs, then you should understand your needs are probably at 70-80% of what they can turn into (at best). Such a vehicle will not surely last 5-10K of this test constantly done over 6 years without some heavy maintenance, if not breaking down. So if you are some suburbanite who drives to the local ski-lodge and might get caught in a snowstorm on a washed out paved road every year at absolute worse? Sure this sounds like a great idea (until the reality of knocked down trees and branches come into play...looking at you VT/NH/ME bros). Always have your tools more capable than what you think you need. Because you never know what you need till you need it.

@schmojo33 2 жыл бұрын

@@asymsolutions And that's why I want to see this Subaru tested as I described because the whole point of a test is to push the vehicle but what I described isn't an unreal situation. I'm curious to see if the extra weight will cause the car to shut down in certain situations to protect the CVT from overheating where as the car might have been fine with just the driver inside. When people do reviews for vehicles like this, they are always empty. But the trend lately is taking these softroaders, loading them up full of gear and people and trying to compete with more purpose built machines. I'm of the over prepare and overbuild mindset for the job needed, but a lot of people are trying to take these things beyond what they are realistically for whether out of ignorance or seeking a challenge.

@asymsolutions 2 жыл бұрын

@@schmojo33 I get you, my point which I failed to relay (sorry) was that they'd probably try to sell it as a success still so the end judgement by these "automotive journalists" would still be the same. Either way I say we are on the same page. These are not true softroaders. I would consider a 4x4 pickup with rear locker, factory skids and offroad tuned shocks to be the adequate vehicle for this test on the norm.

@WildernessForever Жыл бұрын

@@asymsolutions My Forester can run rings around my 2500 HD Silverado. Even with big aggressive tires, without a bunch of weight in the back it can't even get out of my icy driveway . Subaru walks right out in ice and a foot of snow

@wildbill23c 2 жыл бұрын

Dual visor LOL. My 87 Ranger and 88 Bronco 2 have those, they don't extend like that, just turn the main visor to the side and lower the 2nd visor for the windshield...no wasn't factory in those years, took them out of a 90's Explorer LOL...but still a nice feature when the sun is just at those awkward angles where ya need both. The slide out extension visors are common in older Grand Cherokees, at least both my 96 and 98 ZJ's had them.

@Gondolin1983 2 жыл бұрын

My 2010 NA Forester is at 200,000 miles now and I love it more every day. I'm cautious about CVTs (mine is one of the last EJs before they switched to FB) but this new one does look pretty solid otherwise. Just not ready to sell my 2010 yet.

@WilliamJacksonComputing 2 жыл бұрын

What mount are you using to get the behind the driver video?

@ashleykbarks 2 жыл бұрын

I just bought a '21 sport. I wish I had known the Wilderness series was coming out because I would have waited. There's not much else that's changed except the trim color, the front camera, and the things they incorporated specifically for the Wilderness for a better off-road experience. With what I need my Forester for, I don't need an upgrade. But this sure is a beaut.... I do wish they'd allow someone like me, with '21 model, to upgrade to the software that's in this '22 Forester.... I feel like maybe my car could do the exact same.... But alas... They probably won't offer that... And if there's any good reason why that would be a bad idea, someone let me know.

@mat2ca578 2 жыл бұрын

Having both an Outback and Crosstreks in the family I choose the 2019 Forester Sport with the dual XMode. At just over 6 foot in height, the 360 visibility and hat clearance is what sold me. The Outbacks windshield roof line (signal lights impaired), rear view mirror and Eyesight system just impaired to much of my view at intersections. Love my Sport dual XMode with Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tires and RalliTek standard springs. Just wish it reengaged the XMode. For the increased lift in the Wilderness editions. Is the lift with longer springs and struts or just spacers?

@mallninja12 2 жыл бұрын

I REALLY appreciate you beating the **** out of that skid plate!!!

@davidanderson8469 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully,the seats are better on this version. The Forester of 2021 lacked thigh support for my wife and I coming out of a Honda Pilot. I'm 6'4" and getting and out is pretty easy. The rest of the vehicle is a winner. My buddy was 1/2 owner of a Subaru dealer but he retired and sold his half prior to the release of the 2022. bummer. good job Subaru!!

@Sirgromulus 2 жыл бұрын

While the Forester Wilderness does have slightly less ground clearance than the Outback Wilderness, it's shorter wheelbase architecture does give it better approach, departure, and brakeover angles.

@JonDZ_Adventuring 2 жыл бұрын

Side sill clearance is very important too. It allows for “wheel placement” to be effective. I think the Outback has more of it. 11.5” vs. 9.5”

@lanny89 2 жыл бұрын

I really wish they offered a turbo option for the Forester. Feel like they missed out. Wouldn’t hurt to have a little more pep in your step!

@PR-xh3nj 2 жыл бұрын

I agree but speaking about the wilderness version, a turbo is useless for an 'offroad' vehicle.

@RKmndo 2 жыл бұрын

@@PR-xh3nj Not really. Many modern turbos can spool at low RPM, and boost is great at high altitude.

@PR-xh3nj 2 жыл бұрын

@@RKmndo Which new cars would those be with modern turbos and an automatic transmission that are spooling at low rpm?

@PR-xh3nj 2 жыл бұрын

Low torque chug of NA is by far the better choice.

@PR-xh3nj 2 жыл бұрын

@@RKmndo Altitude performance is a complete non factor. A turbo is pointless.

@3rdrockfrmtheSUN 2 жыл бұрын

You guys should make a comparison video between the newest outback and forester Wilderson edition vs 02 outback winter edition (5speed manuel) and the 07 forester xt limited (5 speed manuel) 😆😆that would be so amazing !!!! I was up at lake Tahoe and my outback had bald tires and STILL MADE up a back road to a park . It was steep with snow and dirt. With zero issues haha Gotta love subies

@ericmoss8344 2 жыл бұрын

Where do I get that full-sized spare tire w/sensor... to use w/my 2017 Forester XT Touring? Until they upgrade the engine options I'll stick to my 2017 Turbo 2.0.

@mattp.7318 2 жыл бұрын

Love the new Wilderness series. I don't want a wagon so it'd be really nice if they offered the same 260hp motor in the Forester as well as the Outback - at least make it an option.

@wind7sailor 2 жыл бұрын

I doubt Subaru will, since the Ascent and Outback that use or offer options for the 2.4 turbo are build at their factory in the US, that might explain all the problems and recalls on the Ascent, and the Forester, Crosstrek and smaller models are built in Japan. The Forester is a nice Suv, could just use an extra 20 to 40 hp; the sacrifice conceded for decent non-hybrid mpg.

@voodoowarrior7457 Жыл бұрын

Hard to part with my 2015 Jeep Rubicon and get this one! But overall I love the off road features.

@scot_smith 2 жыл бұрын

Nice review, Ryan! Maybe no turbo fits the mission of this model but a shame Subaru didn’t put a hybrid in it (loving Ford making this the Maverick’s base engine)

@westwood3286 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review, but will that little 4 cylinder be enough power with 4 people in the vehicle while carrying gear in the rooftop ,bicycles in the back and the trunk loaded ???

@Scott.Sherman.Photos 2 жыл бұрын

I hope hey make a wilderness for the Ascent. Since they are really trying to get more into the "wilderness" with upgraded roof racks allowing more weight, I would love to see an 110V outlet somewhere on the vehicle. Subaru has a major chance to break more into the Overland Community with the Wilderness. Give us a locking rear diff and even a really mild low gear.

@mrpink3630 Жыл бұрын

never gonna happen. cvts for all forever. fuc a subaru. i dont want to get stuck in the middle of nowhere.

@NathanElcoate 2 жыл бұрын

Badly needs the turbo. I love our XT!

@douglasshouganai2516 2 жыл бұрын

Real tempting choice instead of one of the "small" trucks for logging roads for hunting season. Logging roads like you see over in the Cascades. If i recall correctly, that off road course was built near Wenatchee? Or Ellensburg?

@brayden9060 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like Barr North where that gravel hill was, I've taken my tacoma up that many times!

@bradleypiper7343 2 жыл бұрын

I know you did a vid on the trailblazer and I know it takes alot of time and dedication to do these videos but I would be interested to see how the Chevy Trax or Buick Encore 1.4 platforms preform off road being that they have the automatic AWD instead of the trailblazers manually engaged AWD. And there are no other channels that have done this.

@grahambarnes6015 2 жыл бұрын

I’m really enjoying all your reviews. I was wondering if it would be ok if I had a bumper sticker made that say “ legs torso proportionate”? Unless you have some in your schwag for sale…

@drivingsports 2 жыл бұрын

Need to add that to the swag options.

@macmichaelhenson-rogers9850 2 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, the large screen in the Outback vs the Smaller screens in the Ascent (plus the 3rd row, obviously) were big pluses and why we ultimately bought the Ascent. I would love if Subaru put the Turbo in here and bring back the Forester XT.

@ZachMauch 2 жыл бұрын

PHEV will be the new Forester XT IMHO. Won't get that until the redesign though.

@macmichaelhenson-rogers9850 2 жыл бұрын

@@ZachMauch I’ve heard that rumor too. Using the RAV4 Prime drivetrain, I think. I just hope they’re able to make it work with the mechanical vs through the road AWD

@wind7sailor 2 жыл бұрын

@@ZachMauch If Subaru's weak, underpowered 2020 E-boxer hybrid, sold overseas is their response to the more powerful Hybrids already being sold here by their competitors; there is little hope to see a more powerful Forester and this is the best they can do. Maybe Subaru has something better coming and I hope they do

@ZachMauch 2 жыл бұрын

@@wind7sailor ...because it won't be the same tech. Subaru's current hybrids are mostly for compliance. Most reports and rumors are suggesting they will be leveraging Toyota tech for future hybrids and EVs. It is possible they could even stray away from boxer engines for some vehicles. Rumors are suggesting the forester would use the same engine from the RAV4 prime. That make over 300 combined horsepower and does 0-60 in under 6 seconds.

@wind7sailor 2 жыл бұрын

@@ZachMauch I'd take just the regular Rav-4 hybrid engine with about 220hp and a reasonably quick 7.5 seconds 0-60 instead of 9.2 to 9.9 seconds. I'd just like the option. Being taller, the Forester is a nice small SUV that gives me the legroom I need, but with no option for stronger performing engine and the rattling auto stop/start system, we choose another vehicle in 2020. We'd love a Subaru RAV-FOR-ester Hybrid. My wife liked the Forester interior size and more compact exterior, so we've kept an eye it just in case they developed a Hybrid(sadly the overseas E-boxer was a disappointment) or if they offered the full Wilderness package including a turbo on this model. It should work well for driving slowly over beautiful, rocky, country roads, it should fill the need for a lot of people that love to do this kind of thing.

@acsnyder 2 жыл бұрын

@Driving Sports TV It appears this particular test Forester was outfitted with a tow hitch. Do you know why Subaru isn’t offering a tow hitch as an add-on option? I just find it frustrating to read/hear about the increased towing capacity in the marketing materials for this model yet the equipment to do said towing is not available… I’m loving my Forester Wilderness nonetheless, but any insight you can share will be much appreciated!