You commented 4 years ago. Can you give a follow up. Thank you for your time! 💗🌱

@@acera2043 Still plant-based and my wife's type 2 diabetes is still in remission. It only ever comes back when she eats too much coconut oil, so we avoid it. We realized after we started that we never actually liked eating meat, so we're enjoying the plant-based lifestyle immensely!

@@m0L3ify Thank you so very much! 💗🌱

@@acera2043 ♥

​@@m0L3ifywhat do you supplement with? I'm still in my first year. I do omegas & b12

With cancer it is not so much about the triggering, but the promotion. An unhealthy diet is the major cancer growth promoter, and depression may also have an promoting effect. You can be sure it wasn't "one thing" that killed your dad. A few things have to come together to lead to this result.

Frederik Dortmund yes, Fred, he was NOT eating healthy at all...I remember going up to his house with my 3 young sons to visit him and I cooked dinner for him...mostly veggies which he usually always loved (he used to grow his own 'Jersey tomatoes)...he did not touch the food...just kept chopping wood out there...will never forget it. I do believe he was punishing himself...my mother was alcoholic...and in 1983 she acquired some kind of virus and was very very ill at home...my dad thought it was the alcohol and blamed himself for not getting her to ER soon enough. So many *negative* factors here....thank you for your post.

Can we get an update? I believe you were on the right path of low-carb, but switched to plant-based. There is nothing wrong with veggies, but carbs and fructose are the killers. Carbs feed cancer cells, and fructose is a direct toxin to the liver where it must be processed, no different than alcohol. I've personally cut out all my fruit consumption, and treat it no differently than a dessert or occasional treat.

@@contrarian604 Still plant-based and still in remission.

@@m0L3ify plant-based is fine. It’s good if your cancer is in remission. The issue is the fructose in fruit and sofas. Fructose is a toxin to the liver, and a direct cause of fatty liver disease and NASH. Fatty liver affects at least 1/3 of the population, and is growing exponentially amongst children and teenagers, previously unheard of.

@@contrarian604 Thanks, but I didn't have cancer, I did cancer research. My wife had type 2 diabetes, which is what has been in remission since 2017. I only mentioned the cancer research because that knowledge is what led me to finally listen to Dr. McDougall. That's all. I mean, eat what you want, I don't have a personal stake in your diet and I'm not going to take it personally if you disagree with me. You do you. Sure, high fructose corn syrup is bad for you for sure, but there's plenty of research showing that whole fruits are actually beneficial and that the sugars in them aren't released very quickly because of the fiber. If you focus on fiber and less on the pure sugars, you're going to improve your health, and if you want to do that through whole grains, legumes, and vegetables, go for it. Either way, eating whole foods is very good for you.

I have to tell you, There’s something to being vegan for sure. I tried to eat keto which I couldn’t stand by the way, and I’d feel sick and gain weight! When I eat vegetables and grains I feel better and I lose weight. I don’t know, maybe everybody’s different, but it definitely agrees with me more.

O, come on.The diets of his enemies are much more nutritious. Seen Dr. Mark Hyman's recommended diet? It's a diet for good health and longevity. John's diet will make you emaciated.

It was islet cell pancreatic cancer, not the other, faster acting variety.

100% CORRECT!

Correct

These things shall ye not eat... Leviticus

back in Hippoc's time, they did not have GMO, chemical pesticide in food, contaminated water with PCBs, air pollution, etc, So the question becomes: where can one find pure food? Food researcher Michael Pollen suggests veganism in his books...

rather sleeping a lot...Hippocrates insisted a lot in depriving sick people from eating and sleeping a lot...

+kaunas888 ~ My thoughts precisely.

+kaunas888 I think he was too powerful for them to just rub out..

Or it is just because of trusting blindly all the years anothers one as Sick Care ind., Banking system, Governments etc. and we didn't take responsibility ourselves bc. it was easier for us and it is a lot of work to educate and inform ourselves. Many of us know that slowly and wake up and beginn to change it through changing themselves.

Wow! This is an impressive piece of rationale, objective detective work. As a person I understand the clear logic and explanation given here. As a physician I support all these facts to be basically true. I hope that Steve Jobs family reads it and more importantly I hope that the autobiographer will have a chance one day to publicly retract his statements and set the record straight.

Devil's advocate a

No, it's not. I'm here 16 years after my diagnosis and surgery to remove the same type of tumor. Neuroendocrine is very different from adenocarcinoma pancreatic cancer. That said, every person is different, and obviously Steve Jobs was different!

No she's right. You are an exception to the rule. My father died within a year of his diagnosis. My friend's mother died within a few months. Things have improved in recent years for many cancers we are told. But pancreatic cancer is an exception.

@@sugarbabylove1000 There are different types of pancreatic cancer.

Actually, you're completely wrong. Steve Jobs was a fruitarian from an early age. He was fond of apples and ate them frequently, and named his company after he had a tour of an apple orchard. You do realize that cancer cells feed off glucose only, and that a carb-reduced diet will suppress cancer and tumor cell growth and metabolism. There's nothing wrong with vegetables, however, being a vegan means you're probably eating a lot of carbs, and fruits which contain fructose, a direct toxin on the liver. Carbs and fruits should be consumed with caution, past middle-age. I plugged the numbers in the video into the online doubling-time calculator I found online and got different results, but the initiation of the tumor at such a young age should be a cautionary tale for those that consume excess carbohydrate, as regardless of the demonization of animal food products, there are no essential carbohydrates required by the human body. Nothing wrong with being vegan, but how much fructose do you intake daily, and what is your daily carbohydrate intake? I shudder to think. Vegans beware. The demon is processed food and refined grains, not animal meat and saturated fats.

Besides that McDougall guy mentioning Jobs‘ exposure to chemicals at early age, let‘s not forget he did drugs between 1970-1974 including marihuana, LSD and hash. Plus: he was known for being a hot-tempered person and surely had a lot of stress. McDougall claims to know, that neither his frutarian diet made him sick in the first place nor contributed to his cancer growth. A vegan diet lacks key nutrients and must always be supplemented. I am NOT saying if Jobs had included animal fat and protein, that he would lived longer. We don’t know that! I just don‘t like this shit show of vegan propaganda. At around 24:30 minutes he talks about animal protein consumption is the cause for kidney stones. How come my vegetarian and salad and spinach loving neighbour developed nice kidney stones at age 57? Clearly she must have done her vegetarian diet so wrong and had to be a proper vegan, right? I want to see evidence for that ridiculous claim McDougall makes. Show the studies! 32:00 Hmm, Wozniak is still alive while being on a standard american diet… Then this annoying ongoing assumptions about when his cancer growth must have started. „Oh, we have that fancy equation that tells us exactly when his cancer growth must have started!“ Who knows which of them would have lived longer? Who can say that if he would have been operated earlier he would have died later than 2011? 34:10 McDougall thinks he knows what Jobs was eating (vegetable oils and fake meat because it is common vegan practice). Does he really know? „Oh, I think he was eating a healthy vegan diet!“ Maybe he had diabetes because of all the fructose (metabolized in the liver as we know) and that led to an unnormal cancer growth factor? What‘s one of the pancreas‘ main purposes? Making insuline. Diabetic patients have a constant elevated blood glucose level, so insuline is needed to get the excess glucose out of the way before it becomes toxic or leads to excessive AGEs. And he developed pancreas cancer. Hmmmm…. And where was that slide taken from saying that the stomach digests and absorbs nutrients? Absorption takes place in the small intestine. That is a huge facepalm to whoever wrote this. It was told Jobs had his gall bladder removed, so he had to be careful with excess fat (if he ever consumed fat, again we don’t know). Of course the was advised to eat protein after his first surgwry because he was losing body and muscle mass and protein is known to stimulate muscle growth. McDougall switches the title of the slides to „was forced to eat meat“ without there being a single text passage mentioning that. Now there you have it again. Vegan bullshit propaganda. Stick to the facts, otherwise stop indoctrinating people. 37:27 but still the cancer grew, didn‘t he? Is it because of a vegan diet? We don‘t know that! Was its growth slowed down because of the vegan diet? We don‘t know that. This all shows me that veganism is a religious belief system (see 7th day adventists). And I say“ Yes, in this case, the so called genius of Jobs failed. Full stop!“ don‘t be ridiculous, Mr. McDougall, with your straw man fallacies. One more thing: I love apple products! Thank you for making consumer products we all love and enjoy every day, Steve J. and Steve W.!!! ❤

​@@contrarian604😂😂😂😂😂😂 you know these things for a fact huh 😅

​@@contrarian604it's cute that you have reiterated information from carnivore Md and are his little puppet .. fructose is toxic to the liver? Lmfao

@@Justineatsfruit. Justin, go look up fructose metabolism. Fruit contains fructose, hence the origin and spelling of fructose. Fructose is no different than ethanol, metabolized directly at the liver. You can get away with regular consumption at a young age, not when you’re older. Average tumor doubling time is 6-9 months. Steve jobs is calculated as 10 months, slower than typical probably due to his regular fasting. Fructose is a direct toxin to to the liver, only without cerebral effects as does ethanol. Go use your brain for once, look it up.

Not that complex. Jobe died due to cancer promoted by the powerful immune suppressing drugs he was on for his liver transplant. Not because of any diet or because of his surgery for his cancer or the holistic therapies he used. The drugs he was on are well known for causing and promoting cancer. So there was very little he could have done to cure his cancer since he had to remain on the immune suppressing drugs for the rest of his life.

there are different kinds of smart, and different kinds of stupid. Life is not one dimensional function of one variable :-)

@@zeljkom.svedruzic8406 Yes, but even in this context, Jobs was NOT stupid. BUT it is arrogant and STUPID itself to call your patient stupid simply because he did what he should have been permitted to do: to make his own choices regarding his health care.

I laughed. This is bad.

Lmao he’s going to hell

not funny

We all have cancer cells, that's why it's imperative we keep our immunity strong and healthy to stop them from growing

he should have had the surgery, it might have saved his life, it was a better chance to do it earlier than later to survive. Medical treatment isn't all bad like some vegans think and I disagree with McDougall on this, who is not a cancer doctor and does not treat cancer patients. Some of the stuff here is manipulated, like the idea that surgery would not have helped if Jobs got surgery earlier.

+adahir100 did you even watch the video? Surgery wouldn't have helped

Steve Jobs himself said he wished he got the medical treatments earlier. He was getting them at the end but it was already too late. If he got them as soon as he was diagnosed, nobody knows but there might have been a chance. But he chose to use diet only, not medical intervention. Veganism might be a cruelty free belief and lifestyle, but contrary to what too many extreme vegans preach it is NOT a cure for all diseases and conditions under the sun, and medical intervention is not the evil of the world in all (or most) cases where it is actually helping lots of people. Millions and millions of people around the world are better off because modern medicine is available to them, imagine what it was like in the past to have surgeries without anesthesia or serious infections, like pnuemonia, without penicillin

Did you even watch the presentation?

+LeadFinance.ca - Nobody is saying that Jobs died because of his diet. It was not the diet that caused the cancer, but he died because he went with *only the diet*, declining early surgery. If you are bleeding, and instead of stopping the bleeding, you decide to just take a pain killer, it's not the pain medication that kills you, but taking the pill *instead of* stopping the bleeding. If I tell you that you should stop the bleeding *first*, it doesn't mean I'm against pain-killers. ;) BTW, Dr McDougall is a well-known vegan diet apologist, so of course he would try to defend the diet... But, he totally missed the point. He's being defensive for no reason: as I pointed out, people are not blaming the diet itself... I'd like to see some independent / unbiased medical opinions on this, before reaching a conclusion. I'm not even saying that people shouldn't be vegans. Just don't do it *instead of* modern medicine, before it's too late...

Good for you! I feel lighter and more energetic since I have gone plant based. 🕊️💕🌱

Don't get a suntan.

If you're interested still, may i point you towards the videos of dr. Peter Rogers, they are very in depth into biochemistry and cancer/autoimmune disease/other common diseases.

RIP Dr McDougall

Nice name. 🙂

Ahhh haha. I see what you are trying to do there. You'd be better off trying to traumatize people with the footage of what goes on in meat factories. This just makes you seem insane.

... Say what??...

"When I decided to actually sift through my own feces..."

Meats NASTY!! I'M SO GLAD I STOPPED EATING IT!! No meat at all and I am feeling AH MAZING!!!!

how did you do the parasite cleanse?

Yes. Even as somebody, that's not a huge fan of Apple products, I can't deny Steve Jons' absolute entrepreneurial genius.

@@arontesfay2520 Absolutely. I mean everyone has their favorites of course but Steve and Woz are pioneers.

MagracyOne lol

Yes!

Lol.byes then she opens her eyes and looks at the camera as if thinking "I hope no one saw me" LOL

😂

It's the job of the immune system.

Sound seems a bit low though.

He suffered a lacunar stroke at age 18. He lived longer than anyone expected as most people die after that type of stroke. His diet and lifestyle probably kept him alive and well for all these years inspite of the statistics. Be reasonable! You’re a bot just like the 60 Minutes skeptic. RIP Dr McDougall.

It's a no brainer: his diet caused him to be malnourished and sarcopenic...sad story. Our brains need fat. Period.

usucdik oh, of course it's not just animal products that cause disease, but MOST do unfortunately. You see, I've made immense diet changes, including cutting out certain foods I'm intolerant to; bananas, soya milk... I also never cook oil, ever! In fact, I now don't even eat foods containing it. It's a isolated concentrated disease inhibitor. As a result, my acne is vanishing! Just one week without the stuff and my face is clear and oil free. I have to agree with most vegans, that people must be doing something wrong. You can get every single nutrient your body needs and feel full, satisfied. It's not just about not eating animal products, it's about being healthy.

Micky Byrne The way some vegans behave it might as well be a cult. The worst of the bunch seem to be the raw vegans.

Micky Byrne People thinks it's a cult because it is a culture that is very fanatical. They have a very fanatical leadership. They attack people who do not hold their beliefs both physically and verbally. They attack people who previously shared their beliefs but had a change of heart both physically and verbally. They manipulate data to achieve their conclusions. They ignore any data that disputes their conclusions. They have conspiracies that any studies that refute their data were funded by companies/corporations that support meat eating but cannot back up those claims. They use ad hominem attacks against those who argue against them. They use bad science. They rationalize their own science. They try to force their beliefs and morals on others. Failure is the fault of the individual not the system. They try to manipulate their own believers How are they not like a cult?

David Nunya Most vegans actually are against animal suffering and want others to comprehend, since eating meat, dairy, eggs is 99% for enjoyment, comfort and tradition. If you didnt find that out by now, you might have missed the point of the vegans you have had contact with, cant say why that is though. All you said can be applied to basically any immature, ignorant individual and in all fairness the internet is full of those.

Chimon Yes, the term cult can be applied to many groups...cults.

Initial death?

Your claim that plants are not as nutritious as they used to be is not true. If you think sugar from candy and sugar from fruits have similar effects, then you've clearly not read the literature. So many studies have been done on this very topic and the effects of candy/table sugar vs fruits is not even close

If you can smell it, you're inhaling it. Simple as that, smell is ingesting molecules into your nose.

Jay Newman Lol

My hunch also - exposure to pesticides when he was only around 18 (circa 1973-74) at the "All-One" apple farm in Oregon.

Thanks for the info. No, I didn't know this channel. I will definitely check it out. This is a new experience.