"Mario, blink twice if the person controlling you is cheating"
@MalrusOSC5 ай бұрын
lmfao
@bigPoe5 ай бұрын
Instead you get T-O-R-T-U-R-E
@AyoCrunchy5 ай бұрын
(he starts reciting the cheater's exact location in Morse code)
@collinpersinger48095 ай бұрын
@@bigPoeWasn't there a guy who actually blinked in Morse code to say that on live television?
@AsherTheModder5 ай бұрын
@@collinpersinger4809 yup i forget who tho
@purplesabbath90575 ай бұрын
"Mario blinks every 64 frames." Oh, so that's why the game is called Super Mario 64.
@thewhitefalcon85395 ай бұрын
They wanted to call it Blinky Mario 64 but the board of directors wouldn't approve it.
@Purlypurlington5 ай бұрын
Lmfao
@norwalkvirus375 ай бұрын
He's making up for his lack of blinking in Super Mario World. 😂
@memesong215 ай бұрын
@@Waterishloki100um alcutlallu 🤓🖕 it's calld dmarioy 64 becuase ot the comsol e i t aass smde for k vdqibgwrwt
@notyourdad95485 ай бұрын
@@thewhitefalcon8539lmaooo thank both of you
@jcj71235 ай бұрын
Imagine you wake up one morning and the speedrun you cheated 13 years ago was retired from the leaderboard because Mario blinked too late
@Ginto_OАй бұрын
Copied comment bro,it's literally the next comment
@thatonemetalhead666Ай бұрын
it's not an exact copy, and if it was, people would find out for themselves. you dont need to say it's copied
@jcj7123Ай бұрын
@@thatonemetalhead666 yeah I think I was the first one to post the comment
@erner_wisalАй бұрын
@@Ginto_OI said that mount everest is a mountain. You can ne longer call it a mountain without crediting me
@nom6758Ай бұрын
nah you straight up copied it
@ahick53575 ай бұрын
Speedrun cheating analysis videos are like true crime documentaries, but nobody dies (usually). Criminal investigations use all sorts of forensics techniques, but to convict cheaters in video games, usually only clever digital forensics is required- it's always interesting to hear explanations of the specific details in a game's implementation that allow false runs to be found. Love this stuff.
@TheKatti50005 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I love about videos like these! I really enjoy true crime documentaries, the analysis of how crimes happened and how they were solved. But as much as I like watching those, it does get draining to hear about so much violence and suffering. That's why speedrun cheater analysis videos are so great for me! The same intrigue is there, the flow of the story is always presented in a very similar way, but the stakes are much lower.
@theMyRadiowasTakenАй бұрын
...usually?
@SpederFrom2019Ай бұрын
usually?
@xyrongonzalez3833Ай бұрын
Can you elaborate what "unusual" event you are referring to?
@SpederFrom2019Ай бұрын
@@xyrongonzalez3833 THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
@catlord23955 ай бұрын
Imagine getting caught for a speedrun you cheated 13 years ago because Mario fuckin blinked a little earlier than he should have had
@picklebond1575 ай бұрын
the autistic sentinels that discover this a decade later are impressive, I wonder what more they'll find in the years to come
@Neo-le9iq5 ай бұрын
@@picklebond157bruh 💀
@fullricer_hd75725 ай бұрын
Marios eyes itched 14 nanopixels too much to the left, the run was cheated.
@EVPointMaster4 ай бұрын
@@picklebond157well, the video explaining blinking is 7 years old at this point
@MagikalKrabicalАй бұрын
@@picklebond157Autistic sentinels is such a compliment
@darioferretti37585 ай бұрын
I too blink every 64 frames, so i can make sure noone is cheating on me
@DJIncendration5 ай бұрын
Nobody would be.
@spacebassist5 ай бұрын
@@DJIncendration sounds like somebody blinked faster than 64 frames
@minirop4 ай бұрын
but that means you never saw Mario with his eyes closed???
@clocked04 ай бұрын
@@miniropI didn't know Mario could blink in SM64 until today, so checks out
@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281Ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@jackshadowbrowseАй бұрын
Mario 64 has such an incredibly detail-oriented speedrun and glitch community. You guys watch blinking, count single frames, and travel through parrallel universes. Mario 64 quantum theory being a real thing is crazy enough
@dumblockdubbed2455Ай бұрын
truly impressive what autistic individuals can achieve when they come together as one
@milktenders6219Ай бұрын
The real way you speedrun any game is to just shatter the concept of time, reality, and consciousness
@nicholasmitchell6025Ай бұрын
parallel universes are a consequence of converting Mario's position from a 32 bit floating point number to a 16 bit integer for the purpose of floor calculation. nothing to do with anything quantum! also I recommend you look into quantum physics, the basic concepts are not so complicated it is only their application that complicates things. The basic idea is that light operates in "quanta" meaning that it can only be added or removed in discrete chunks based on its frequency. if you learned about electron "levels" in high school, that was quantum physics! this basic concept is how we know what stars were made of that are hundreds or thousands of light years away. we realized that the spectrum of light emitted by stars (you just plot intensity vs frequency) had very clear "peaks" that are indicative of the elements contained in those stars which are constantly sending out photons. It's also the backbone behind modern computers & atomic clocks!
@umamifanАй бұрын
@@nicholasmitchell6025The know-it-all strikes yet again
@americaonline3835Ай бұрын
@@nicholasmitchell6025 okay but can you point out every issue in SADX 2004 PC port? without looking it up and using your memory
@shadowhunter99765 ай бұрын
But, consider the following: What if an ionizing particle from a cosmic ray hit Mario's eyes, making him blink early?
@RandomStuff-dl1gd4 күн бұрын
Cheating
@0SC23 күн бұрын
Costs a grand to find out.
@NeetuSingh-gl1ue3 күн бұрын
Well, it is still plausible theory because cosmic rays do affect such cartridges. Veritasium has a video on it. (jk I'm not justifying cheating)
@steele_heart775 ай бұрын
“Mario blinks every 64 frames, his eyes operate on what we call a framerule. Imagine Mario’s eyes as a bus stop…”
@bendubz90005 ай бұрын
If a bus arrives every 21 frames, and Mario blinks every 64 frames, does that mean every 1344 frames he blinks and he miss it [the bus]?
@celestialwaffle14915 ай бұрын
This is the best comment ever I'm pretty sure
@zym66875 ай бұрын
An framerule is a framerule, you can't say it's only a bus stop
@Unregistered.HyperCam.25 ай бұрын
@@zym6687But is a framerule soup? 🤔
@wolfrig20005 ай бұрын
Are you going through parallel universes though
@JuicemanSSBM5 ай бұрын
This video only proved to me that I can kick Mario’s ass in a staring contest
@RedTHedge5 ай бұрын
Okay but Mario can still kick your ass in general
@davidthecommenter5 ай бұрын
@@RedTHedgehe wouldn't just kick your ass, he'd toss you and pick you back up before you can land and use you to gateclip
@AsherTheModder5 ай бұрын
@@RedTHedge He donst attack for no reason .
@sploshsploosh5 ай бұрын
@@AsherTheModderi dont think thats correct
@EndertheDragon09225 ай бұрын
In Mario’s defense, he’s not trying to not blink and probably isn’t aware of how fast he’s blinking. We don’t know how good he is when he’s trying to not blink.
@Dinoguy10005 ай бұрын
Mario's blinks don't line up anymore if you come out of a loading screen with Mario already in second gear, it's a secret technique that only Todd Rodgers knows.
@DJIncendration5 ай бұрын
I don't think there are any gears in this game.
@CybeastID5 ай бұрын
@@DJIncendration It's a joke about the infamous Dragster record.
@NoxDolore5 ай бұрын
Just gotta call a random rep about it :) totally legit todgers moment.
@dafurious6457Ай бұрын
@@DJIncendrationthere are but only todd rogers knows about them
@StoutShakoАй бұрын
Todd Todgers*
@dominickfuentes94705 ай бұрын
"Give us a sign if you're being controlled!" Mario: blinks every 64 frames
@GTAce995 ай бұрын
No wonder this method took so long to figure out. It's really a blink-and-you'll-miss-it visual cue.
@ultimaabyssal24845 ай бұрын
I'm literally going to rip my eyes out from this.
@DustyMusician5 ай бұрын
If it were more obvious they'd have caught the cheater in the blink of an eye
@simplytoocool26525 ай бұрын
Eye can’t believe you would make such a bad pun
@Bukkie661Ай бұрын
Eh, it's in the eye of the beholder.
@thisnameisbad3609Ай бұрын
Weye must you do this
@arbustin56465 ай бұрын
he spelled "this guy is cheating" in morse code by blinking
@sayldzАй бұрын
Why just why...
@Frogking390Ай бұрын
Why just why…
@pumpkindudАй бұрын
Why just why...
@Grunt7071Ай бұрын
Why just why…
@HungryWardenАй бұрын
Why just why…
@lynxfirenze49945 ай бұрын
Honestly the increasingly insane and niche ways cheaters are caught is fascinating. I don't speedrun so my understanding of just how hard the tricks are is limited but I love hearing about the technicalities of how both legitimate runs and cheating/cheat detection work
@Stefan2010aАй бұрын
It should have not been discovered
@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051Ай бұрын
@@Stefan2010a Why?
@Stefan2010aАй бұрын
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 Catching cheaters via obscure methods is kinda hypocritical and taboo in my opinion
@pokemata103522 күн бұрын
@@Stefan2010a?
@Friendsxix5 ай бұрын
I almost wonder if the blinking after 64 frames was a super subtle easter egg, not unlike how the results music changes in Mario Kart 64 on the 64th loop.
@Barteks2x4 ай бұрын
More likely they just wanted mario to blink at all and checking frame number modulo 64 in code happens to be easy and very fast - code roughly like "if ((frameCount&63) == 0)" (no actual modulo/division, just simple bitwise "and")
@ends9138Ай бұрын
It's most likely because 64 suits the blinking cycle well, and is also a power of 2 (=1000000 in binary), which can make coding easier
@Tedris45 ай бұрын
Almost exactly like Super Meat Boy speedruns where they discovered the Bandage Girl icon on the loading screen had a consistent animation involving her raising and lowering her arms at 20 frame intervals that carried between the screens, so for example if the loading screen ended on her having raised arms for 6 frames, the next would start arms-raised for 14 frames - and of course, caught a cheater with it.
@neoqwerty5 ай бұрын
Didn't a spliced Clustertruck run also get caught with the loading icon animation because it had very specific timings for fading in and out between levels, and a Minecraft one get caught over the first frame of world gen for a new world VS a previously loaded world? Here's to all the weird animation quirks outing splicers!
@CheddarNS5 ай бұрын
@@neoqwertyheres to the devs adding consistent visual cycles vs resetting them on load times 🔥
@98danielray5 ай бұрын
yeah. exo got caught like that I think.
@emdivine5 ай бұрын
@@neoqwerty Not to mention the stage loading order between hardware and MAME for Donkey Kong, a real classic
@rjnavarro15745 ай бұрын
Rip apollolegend
@dawnraider00725 ай бұрын
So every 64 frames a bus comes to pick up Mario's eyes
@markymark4435 ай бұрын
LOL
@ksNanoSquid5 ай бұрын
incredible comment
@oneillt1005 ай бұрын
why this have me so dead
@dantedeloden5 ай бұрын
no every 64 frames a bus drops off 2 eye lids. you got it backwards :P
@AzeriaАй бұрын
lmao
@bogeymanbearАй бұрын
Dude I sincerely applaud your pronunciation of pannenkoek2012, especially the dedication to also say “2012” in dutch.
@DrogieАй бұрын
@@bogeymanbear dankjewel!!
@Frogking390Ай бұрын
@bogeymanbear dankjewel!!
@tomikun8057Ай бұрын
@@Drogiedankjewel sounds like a meme weirdly enough Language is weird and funny
@ghostxxx1878Ай бұрын
I almost thought you actually were Dutch when I heard you say it
@kreuner1129 күн бұрын
pretty funny that Pannen is not even dutch and doesn't pronounce it like that :D
@kamo7293Ай бұрын
as Karl jobst said "never try to cheat past speedrunners, they have a hyper fixation and will catch you out eventually" honestly man...blinking? that's something else, it's like the super monkey ball one
@thesleepydot27 күн бұрын
RIIIGHT?? that’s what I was remided of as well!
@tarragon1125 ай бұрын
catching someone for inconsistent blinking is the most big brained thing this game has provided
@adamnielson425 ай бұрын
This person does NOT know about the A button challenge
@mikuenjoyerXD5 ай бұрын
*Have you heard about parallel universes?*
@tarragon1125 ай бұрын
@@mikuenjoyerXD “i am four parallel universes ahead of you”
@Freddie_065 ай бұрын
To verify this claim, we first need to talk about parallel universes
@shadeblackwolf15085 ай бұрын
It reminds me a lot of the clustertruck rotating wheel catch.
@BobToad5 ай бұрын
(He blinked)
@cybi1245 ай бұрын
(he blinked1)
@tibby45035 ай бұрын
(he blinked182)
@carlosemilio51805 ай бұрын
@@tibby4503(he bowled)
@legiiit5 ай бұрын
bobert
@maciejk25 ай бұрын
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@Jnmicter5 ай бұрын
The amount of people dissecting SM64 to this day makes me so happy, it’s like there’s a never-ending trove of secrets
@kendrickroblo623 ай бұрын
3024: Hidden luigi model in the game files 😱😱😱
@user-tr2zf6uz1qАй бұрын
@kendrickroblo62 I can't remember which video it was, but I swear they did find a Luigi model or something in the game 😅🤣
@kentslocum5 ай бұрын
It never ceases to sadden me that KZfaqrs and video gamers are more thorough in detecting cheating and enforcing consequences than our own government is in finding and prosecuting criminals.
@SuperBluesphereАй бұрын
It's easier to detect cheating in a video game then it is in the court of law...
@kentslocumАй бұрын
@@SuperBluesphere Depends on the game, and depends on the crime.
@wbfaulk29 күн бұрын
Criminals don't generally submit video evidence of their alleged crimes.
@Tetragramix28 күн бұрын
As you can see here your honor, I left the bathroom and immediately entered the garage on the next frame. Therefore, I never passed through the hallway where the murder occurred. No, this isn't spliced footage. (blinks)
@seanrrr5 ай бұрын
This reminds me a lot of a similar cheating detection method in Minecraft. One day someone realized that once your character becomes hungry, the icons in the hunger bar bump at a steady rate. They found several records where the runner spliced when traveling between dimensions; hungry before, not hungry after. It's hilarious seeing someone get caught because of something obscure like blinking or a hunger bar.
@DJIncendration5 ай бұрын
Shame these methods are even found for any game.
@notsusanna74855 ай бұрын
And now you can even use the blinking method from Mario 64 in MC:BE because Microsoft for some reason decided Steve needed to moisten his eyes!
@seanrrr5 ай бұрын
@@notsusanna7485 Omg, I thought you were trolling, but it's true. Can't believe they blink now.
@B3Band5 ай бұрын
Hunger bar should be way more obvious. You have to be pretty stupid not to check the bottom of the screen for matching icons while splicing cheated runs. That's just as bad as having different inventory or health.
@CattoDoAMeow5 ай бұрын
@@B3Band this is not hunger as in the bars necessarily, but saturation
@Gromek9995 ай бұрын
That cheater really had a “blink and you miss it” moment
@RealPlasmat1c5 ай бұрын
Didn't expect Grom to be here lol
@davidaugustofc25745 ай бұрын
3 big balls
@DeLisi.4 ай бұрын
This is why I will always love mario speedrunning. No other franchise has crazy turns and discoveries like this. Great vid, and I hope your channel grows rapidly!
@BaldorfBreakdownsАй бұрын
Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and FF7 all have insane histories for speedrunning and glitch discovery.
@Omiiced5 ай бұрын
blinking timing is definitely a good addition to cheating detection
@HyperactiveFennec5 ай бұрын
Wouldn't believe if someone on street told me, that they got caught cheating by a blinking animation.
@arciks115 ай бұрын
I could after something similar was used to catch cheaters in Super Meat Boy.
@mooj2695 ай бұрын
why would someone tell you this
@isaiahromero98615 ай бұрын
@@mooj269people tell me all the time "they got caught cheating by a blinking animation" and im always like, no way
@eduardovarela44625 ай бұрын
Yeah i would go "Sir, i dont have any money pls leave me alone"
@Purlypurlington5 ай бұрын
Id be excited someone talked to me about speed running stuff in real life
@NatoHerence5 ай бұрын
This is kinda similar in the Clone Hero community where they check how fast the golden circle (that indicate no missed notes) is spinning. It will spin at the same rate the entire time, so footage that is sped up (from playing a song at a slower speed) is noticeable.
@thechugg4372Ай бұрын
Shouldnt that be easily faked by editing part of the UI from another run?
@NatoHerenceАй бұрын
@@thechugg4372 That's a good point. I suppose you could do that, but knowing the community, they'd be able to figure out other methods to verify runs/FCs.
@oldred89025 күн бұрын
@@thechugg4372 I went and watched a video to see what the UI element looks like. You definitely *could* do what you've suggested, but it's a unique enough animation that lining it up perfectly would be a pain, especially if you couldn't play well long enough to get the combo multiplier inside it maxed on normal speed. You can get around audio splicing detection with clever background noise manipulation, but it's still a useful tool because hardly anyone is that sophisticated. This is similar I imagine. A lot of games are also just harder to detect cheating in, unfortunately. If I ran my own leaderboard I'd likely require handcams. It does add up front cost, but it makes cheating borderline impossible under scrutiny, and cameras are getting cheaper every day.
@thewholeofdainland2565 ай бұрын
4:47 During the fade transition, the blur effect over the runner's name recedes nearly entirely, such that the name becomes easily readable.
@DG-mi2mc25 күн бұрын
You mean TsukishimaHato ?😅 😂😂
@thewholeofdainland25624 күн бұрын
@@DG-mi2mc Yes. The name is reqlly easy to find; however, I just thought it was funny how you could see the name in the video, despite the creator wanting to not disclose it.
@Zeropointill17 күн бұрын
This dude has been caught cheating years ago. Anyone following speedruns on youtube has known of this guy for a long time.
@janfeae5 ай бұрын
Thank you for putting the music used in the video! I really appreciate when creators take the time to do that. Very much appreciated. Thank you for all of your other contributions to the gaming community as well
@eepop59765 ай бұрын
Now I'll only be submitting runs where the camera never shows mario's eyes
@2DCheese5 ай бұрын
same
@Ermageeerd5 ай бұрын
:trol:
@EndertheDragon09225 ай бұрын
Mario 64 speedrun but a bar is placed over Mario’s eyes to protect his identity Though I guess to really protect his identity we’d have to change the name of the game to just 64
@WTheW_gaming5 ай бұрын
You can't help it, though, because Mario is shown every time he jumps out of a painting after collecting a star
@eepop59765 ай бұрын
I'll find a way@@WTheW_gaming
@quadzers57035 ай бұрын
“We both stared into the void, but when it stared back at us, you blinked” -Mario (crisis on infinite cartridges)
@Sypitz5 ай бұрын
Wario wanted to destroy original earth
@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii5 ай бұрын
Good job little blinking mario chief investigator. Now crucial speed running records are preserved in truth for eternal posteriority.
@NoddedAlpaca5 ай бұрын
crisis on infinite PUs
@KidMineCraft225 ай бұрын
The one thing i have always loved about speedrunning is once impossible gaps and people always finding a way around them. Even brand new techniques to remoderate old runs like solving a cold case! The speedrun communities never cease to amaze me and I genuinely adore and appreciate all the work and effort everyone in the community puts in. Love this !
@Uncreative15 ай бұрын
Investigator "Mario blink twice if you're okay! Blink once if you're being manipulated!"
@nohalo3forme5 ай бұрын
now imagining a Mario 64 hack that has Mario not blinking at all and staring at the player the whole time
@renakunisaki5 ай бұрын
I accidentally made every character in Star Fox Adventures blink every half second
@Goal3.145 ай бұрын
@@renakunisakiThat sounds awful, wouldn’t happen to have a recording of it?
@affegpus41955 ай бұрын
That's kinda what monster hunter world expansion last boss does
5 ай бұрын
Is the head pointing towards the player the whole time?
@adnan_honest_jihadist57755 ай бұрын
you dont need to be a teacher to give people 5 chances of forgiveness just have to be obey Allah and be a good muslim
@TeaThatIsOrange5 ай бұрын
Mario: *has dry eye so blink* Speedrunners: CHEATING
@DJIncendration5 ай бұрын
Except not, because it was every 64 frames.
@Sparket5 ай бұрын
@@DJIncendrationYou… Don’t take sarcasm, do you?
@lerikhkl5 ай бұрын
The pressure that the community puts on Mario is frankly disgusting
@theblitzblader39675 ай бұрын
@@lerikhkl your joking right?
@Chicky_Lumps5 ай бұрын
@@theblitzblader3967 No.
@Father_Bohawk5 ай бұрын
It's incredible how insanely detail oriented things have gotten in terms of cheat detection. Not just in terms of tracking them, but the ability to understand the performance inputs and small technical quirks of games that I would wager the Devs themselves weren't fully aware of.
@teliviteАй бұрын
i actually thought that this video was gonna be one of those joke videos where like obama is in it somewhere and mario is like exploding or something idk
@thotoe5 ай бұрын
The fact mario's blinking animation can catch a cheater is absolutely insane what is this community
@TheBlackSeraph5 ай бұрын
No surprise that Pannenkoek was involved :D
@neoqwerty5 ай бұрын
The same community that figured out parallel universes just to avoid opening doors.
@affegpus41955 ай бұрын
This is not even that bad. If you want to know how weird speed running can get, we need.to talk about parallel dimensions
@-Me_5 ай бұрын
@@neoqwerty or astronomically rare sun rays to hit and alter your game binary code
@kexerino5 ай бұрын
@@-Me_ That's a myth.
@gaming_bigfoot5 ай бұрын
The unstable mic really screwed with my sense of hearing before I realized it was literally how the audio is
@mikuenjoyerXD5 ай бұрын
Idk i didnt notice it
@joshp0115 ай бұрын
Thought my headphones were finally dying
@vcool1225 ай бұрын
yeah same XD
@theluiginoidperson10975 ай бұрын
My ears are blinking as we speak
@Drogie5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback, I'll definitely pay more attention to that in my next video!
@joesturn77405 ай бұрын
I appreciate the way you kept this about the method of catching the cheated run in question and didn't bring the runner's identity into it. Classy approach. From one teacher to another, I respect that intention a lot.
@KombatGodАй бұрын
I'm very disappointed that nobody caught this cheater before. I know it may have been harder without this new technique, but I also feel like there's this HUGE bias online where if something has circulated long enough it is treated as fact by mere custom. I know it's a different context, but I see this a lot with research on videogame lore, how if something gets written on a Wiki and manages to escape an initial fact-checking, then it makes its way into common knowledge and nobody dares challenge it any more. For example: in Mortal Kombat Wiki, fan sites, videos about MK characters, and even Wikipedia itself, the character of Tremor was stated to have been originally intended to appear in MK Trilogy... but doing first-hand personal research I couldn't track this to any official source and when I begged people to provide it they would just say "everybody knows this!" Only recently, with Tremor coming to MK1 as a kameo, has Ed Boon stated that he was never intended for MKT, that's a mistake, and I was like "THANK YOU!" ...I'm going off on a tangent but what I'm saying is that it's so rare for people to actually go back and check the validity of something that has been considered valid for years.
@FrostyZako5 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for your acknowledgements, I'm glad I could help! Let me perhaps share my thoughts on some of the questions you brought up and address some points I've seen in the comments. Some people don't seem to realize that "Hasu64" went inactive in 2011, that he was a Japanese runner who - aside from the confrontation with SilentSlayers in 2010 - had nothing to do with the Western community ever, and that the Japanese community used different leaderboards at the time than we do now, so the runs were never even submitted to "our" community but had just been carried over. That's also why debating a ban is a bit silly. He just isn't around anymore. Though while otherwise inactive, he actually did delete his KZfaq channel (with some uploaded runs) a month after the discovery was made, and probably because of it. In my mind, there's nothing more to act upon. The runs were removed and that was it, the rest is history, literally. How do you punish a Japanese guy that wasn't seen in 12 years, and why would you? Since he deleted his YT channel, I'd argue that this was the end of everything that's gonna come from the identity that's tied to his username. He only ever did a few runs but it doesn't seem like any of them were legit, so there's no way he's ever gonna return where we would recognize that it's him. Can he redeem himself? Sure. You can never plan this. It always depends on how a former cheater goes on to conduct himself and then these things will play out in an organic way that's never quite the same. From experience, it'll take care of itself one way or the other. In this case, I Imagine "Hasu" will never return. I don't see why something from 2011 matters other than to give a factual report on it. Personally, I want a true WR progression because I'm maintaing them, but I'm not quite emotionally invested. I don't believe anyone has a reason to be outraged because nobody would have cared much about "Hasu", or have known about these two runs we've discussed, prior to this video. It's really no big deal, so I'm fine that not much happens in response. How would that even look like? The situation for SM64 is also nowhere near as grim as some people think it is. The last cheated WR is still from 2013, and there have been very few cheated runs since, almost none of which were notable. And no, this method hasn't opened the floodgates to where half the community turned out to have cheated all this time. We haven't done checks of the whole leaderboards (that'd be insane) but it doesn't look like there's really any cheaters around. It was mostly just this guy, who I always thought was sketchy anyway. And the only thing that made it so hard to catch him is that all his runs were old. The only footage to work with was the 16:11 in a comparison with another run (fusing both runs' audio tracks), uploaded to a Japanese website where I needed an account to view it. Such a submitted run would straight up be rejected today. He had been on my radar since 2018 though, it just had to remain ambiguous. And while this one is a fair point, it's not really like public knowledge of this method is a game changer. If you cheat your 2893rd placed run, chances are you get away with it in any case, because nobody can spend a week reviewing it in-depth. Good job. But chances are you make one tiny mistake and get caught and it's all over for you. If you're a top runner and spliced a run, you were already quite unlikely to get away with it due to the mains hum method that's been reported on in abundance. That's cyclical in much the same way. As a top runner, you were already wise to opt for something else than splicing if you wanted to cheat. I never once thought cheating "undetectably" was out of reach. It's a sad reality, but I'm rather looking at what is than be paranoid about what might be. Again, virtually nothing happened since 2013. I don't suspect we've been sleeping on a big scandal either. If you get too paranoid, no 200 IQ anti-cheating method can ever realistically redeem speedrun competition to you.
@aspuzling5 ай бұрын
I agree that it's important to uncover cheated runs to the extent that the world record history is accurate but not really much beyond that. I also agree we don't need to bring out the pitchforks unless a runner is actively harming the scene either by denying or continuing their cheating behaviour. If a cheater decides to move on and learn and grow that's great but it's not really our concern as long as the speedrunning scene continues to be a place for honest and fun competition.
@DJIncendration5 ай бұрын
It's a shame the runs were removed, even from KZfaq.
@krsp4205 ай бұрын
There is a lot of things to get mad about in this world. This isnt one of them. haha
@mrosskne5 ай бұрын
why isn't speedrunning done live, like every other competitive activity that has ever existed?
@benrosenthal42735 ай бұрын
Because theyre digital and almost always solo accomplishments. Anything else that falls into those two categories also usually is not done live. Speedtyping for example. Im assuming by live you mean livestreamed and not in person, but many top runners will live stream their attempts, but its not like that is fully cheat proof either. Top level runners of any game probably have the knowledge to cheat undetectably no matter the ridiculous proof burdens that you could implement. Forcing livestreaming as a requirement for all speedrunning would take away so much of the accessability of what makes it a popular endeavor in the first place.
@hummusmoldАй бұрын
This video's comment section reaffirms my decision to give up speedrunning as a hobby years ago. Not only was I terrible at it, but there were just too many people with god complexes and overall terrible attitudes for it to be fun.
@Adriethyl24 күн бұрын
No need to let others ruin it for you. You can always just play for yourself and not submit scores anywhere.
@Danman3504 ай бұрын
Everybody's talking about mario blinking, but nobody's talking about Drogie not blinking through the whole intro
@thewolfin24 күн бұрын
I noticed this immediately and was kinda creeped out but then it clicked 🤣
@nicholasbrown5195 ай бұрын
Now I want someone to make a romhack where Mario experiences allergies like I do, so the blinking is frequent and unpredictable.
@DJIncendration5 ай бұрын
I like that idea. Or better yet, no blinking.
@platerolljk5 ай бұрын
what's up allergy buddy
@cgp75875 ай бұрын
The mirrored cartridge is a very cool idea, crazy that even cheaters from back then are still being caught out.
@ibuprofencompactorАй бұрын
Dude, the fact that you actually pronounced pannenkoek2012’s name in the Dutch way is very commendable! Thank you for putting in the extra effort
@DrogieАй бұрын
@@ibuprofencompactor lmao dankjewel and you are welcome!
@comeawaywithme4 ай бұрын
Drogie: I will not name the cheaters Jobst: So anyway Tsukushima cheated all these different ways. He also cheated his world record SR. look at all these other people that cheated too!
@joe-3129 күн бұрын
😂
@amarragod22185 ай бұрын
Every copy of mario 64 has personalized blinking
@Pixaurora5 ай бұрын
only if the run was spliced !
@gabitoincorp5 ай бұрын
This really shows that the top speedruns in general might be full of actual cheaters, crazy it took 13 years to find this out.
@Zorro91295 ай бұрын
I would be laughing if that's the case.
@DJIncendration5 ай бұрын
None of the top SM64 speedruns nowadays are cheated.
@xanderwallace40185 ай бұрын
Not really, it was unverified at the time and other runs have been confirmed non-spliced due to blinks
@frizzyrascal14935 ай бұрын
This shows your assumption. SM64 top leaderboards aren’t full of cheaters. This wasn’t even verified meticulously the way it’s done nowadays.
@thewhitefalcon85395 ай бұрын
There should be lots of cheaters, but mostly legit runs. Cheats get better times though...
@LittleMetallic5 ай бұрын
Danke, dass du das so einfach für uns erklärt hast! Normalerweise habe ich öfter Probleme, so technische Dinge gut zu verstehen, hab natürlich gleich abboniert für zukünftige Videos! Good job, fantastic video!!
@Accrovideogames5 ай бұрын
I like learning about new cheat detection methods. I think there should be a category for competitive cheating to improve cheat detection. Literally anything goes in this category. Runs are disqualified if evidence of cheating is found. There would be no shame in cheating in this category because that's the whole point of it. It can also be a fun exercise to figure out how exactly a run was cheated.
@linkinman845 ай бұрын
That pannenkoek video has been burned into my brain for so long and I never even considered checking it, absolutely ingenious move
@Snake_runner5 ай бұрын
Mario: Wants to blink normally Nintendo: BLINK EVERY 64 FRAMES
@zacharyjackson75845 ай бұрын
Blink every 64 frames whilst defeating bowser of course. 😉 You can do it.
@yankees295 ай бұрын
“ItsameeeMario”
@Mizu20232 ай бұрын
Maybe this is why the game is named Super Mario 64
@pepsinolman5 ай бұрын
honestly its pretty interesting to see how the A button challenge and the investigations into various game mechanics could lead to such a good cheat detection system. It makes you proud of the sm64 community at large as they come together to help each other in various unexpected ways.
@ccmanxx1Ай бұрын
You know, this is the first time I've ever where it's virtually impossible to cheat in a game. With this new detection method, its actually just impossible to splice runs now.
@Spanikef5 ай бұрын
He would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling blinks
@Chicky_Lumps5 ай бұрын
That sounds like some fictional racial slur when you say it like that. 😂
@the-protogen-of-the-sky5 ай бұрын
Mario: *_blink blink_* Everyone: thats a cheater.
@Purlypurlington5 ай бұрын
*leo pointing meme*
@nicholaslerma80717 күн бұрын
The fact that this run is older then me and it is now only being exposed 💀💀💀
@AlexJHatesGoogle24 күн бұрын
Awesome video! Keep up the great quality and storytelling!
@GTM_5 ай бұрын
wow Mario is really bad at staring contest
@Tristan-pt4dt5 ай бұрын
hi gtm😀
@GTM_5 ай бұрын
@@Tristan-pt4dt hey
@Sunflower_SM645 ай бұрын
Real
@cgp75875 ай бұрын
Small world, I remember you from Zakkujo’s streams, happy to see how far you‘ve come!
@Sugar3Glider5 ай бұрын
Blink once for splice. Blink twice for clear.
@LindenPoirier5 ай бұрын
Great video! I can honestly say I've never been more invested in the blinking habits of a fictional plumber.
@thehale_5 ай бұрын
Weegee: “We both looked into the abyss. But when it looked back at us… you blinked.”
@GameSharkN645 ай бұрын
10:31 i love the dutch pronounciation 😂
@Drogie5 ай бұрын
Dankjewel, vriendje
@MalooMF95 ай бұрын
@@DrogieHearing everyone butcher that name in videos really gets grating after a while! En mijn Nederlands is slecht!
@mitsiku_shinigami5 ай бұрын
@@Drogiebedankt om tijd te nemen om het juiste uit te spreken. Je hebt het gesproken als een egte Nederlander/belg thank you for taking the time to say it the right way. You spoke it like a real Dutch/Belgian
@Michael-kp4bd5 ай бұрын
@@MalooMF9Pannen pronounces his own name like an American, so to him, the “grating” way is his real name. But i totally understand why it is hard to take as a native speaker 😅
@RiekeLt5 ай бұрын
@@Michael-kp4bd Drogie is not native though, but he trained himself well. I'm proud of my Drogerie :)
@auroragqp5 ай бұрын
lmao wasn't expecting that. surprisingly reliable tool to check for splices tbh. speedrunneres never cease to amaze me. great video, man.
@Emeraldsniper5 ай бұрын
The more of these cheat detections that keep getting made, the more I get surprised of how many more old runs get the axe.
@czr.5 ай бұрын
mario blinks to cosmic rays
@jecksfoxofficial5 ай бұрын
Damn cant even blink without gets in trouble, only in mushroom kingdom
@DizzysWithAnApostrophe5 ай бұрын
You taught me how to do speedkicks and now you're teaching me about cheat detection years later, cheers to you, and thanks weegee
@pbjandahighfive25 күн бұрын
FYI, your audio balance is pretty off when listening to this with headphones. It goes back and forth throughout the video, but there are large sections of it where uour voice is louder in the left ear than right which just makes this entire thing a bit difficult to listen to without literally changing my computer OS settings to force mono audio.
@CeciliaTheCherry4 ай бұрын
Maybe you’re blinking when he’s blinking
@jorgesponja30425 ай бұрын
What an amazing video Drogie! This method is amazing, and I really appreciate how big names like pannen and weegee are pillars of tehse method
@AnaRebac-xd6nc5 ай бұрын
That mirrored sm64 copy looks so cool, i hope it is an actual romhack
@arkadyshersky87045 ай бұрын
What else could it possibly be?
@KaitouKaiju5 ай бұрын
@@arkadyshersky8704video editing
@potatosordfighter6665 ай бұрын
Splice detection is always one of my favourite ways to bust cheaters. Like clustertruck with that spinning thing, and M64 with blinking. As soon as you said you needed another method I knew it was going to be something within the game code that happened on a set basis regardless of other influences.
@tawmee93065 ай бұрын
I legit thought Mario only blinked while Idle. Big brain.
@derekrequiem43595 ай бұрын
To be fair you probably just never noticed it because you'd be more focused on Mario's actions instead of his eyes while he was performing those actions.
@RazorSharkTabor5 ай бұрын
They really need more methods for a lot of games really. If you want to take a speedrunning a game seriously then you need serious counter measures to be able to detect that. Blinking though is absurd but probably the best idea I have heard of for any game! Great detailed video 🏴☠️ 🦈
@nkdzdejong17855 ай бұрын
I agree. The best way to validate and have confirmed speed runs is to have players travel to select locations where they use systems and controllers that are pre-set for them while under supervision. Maybe have a few locations per country so it's easily accessible. They could also be sponsored by local gamestores / hobbystores.
@theforkducky5 ай бұрын
Mario is like **blink** then the console is like "IM OUTTA HERE"
@evidoodlesstuffАй бұрын
Had this video on in the background while studying latin, pause because someone comes to talk to me, press play to continue studying and 17:14 plays, I thought I was going crazy for a second.
@DrogieАй бұрын
@@evidoodlesstuff loool
@chielvandenberg8190Ай бұрын
10:32 as a Dutchman I’m incredibly proud of your Dutch pronunciation of pannenkoek2012 that was so good
@sleepytired92225 ай бұрын
Thanks for making me manually aware of my own blinking
@simplyhoodie5 ай бұрын
Mario standing with another Mario on a desolate planet. "We both stared into the abyss, when the abyss stared back... You blinked."
@emdivine5 ай бұрын
then you stab the one saying that because they're the impostor
@BoostKingEVO105 ай бұрын
Definitely subscribing. Crazy cool video. Can’t believe Mario’s blinking is being used to detect cheating
@Drogie5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@cesaarrock5 ай бұрын
I really wish youtube had a sound option that let you change between mono and stereo...
@warhand20145 ай бұрын
It always amazes me how in-depth the SM64 community is about their game. I would have never even imagined a cheating detection such as this could have been developed.
@neoqwerty5 ай бұрын
I think part of it is because it's been dismantled extrremely thoroughly thanks to both the glitch hunters and the modders who escalated to full on disassembly to rewrite the whole thing, and a lot of speedrunners overlap with playing hacks (and speedrunning them) so the end results are inevitably that people end up documenting WAY too much about the game. It's impressive
@DeitySkullKid5 ай бұрын
Naw, a lot of games have something like this , I remember super meat boy and Celeste have something similar with the save symbols iirc
@riolubruh5 ай бұрын
I remembering watching that exact video on blinking and thinking that such a consistent timer could be useful for verifying speedruns, because I remembered hearing about a similar thing happening with Super Meat Boy speedrun verification.
@turnkey_hole5 ай бұрын
Shame you didn't act on it then. It would be your name up there in the video
@buak80911 күн бұрын
Its crazy how people exposing video game record breakers seem to put more effort into solving the mysteries than FBI
@stormbreaker9325 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I love hearing about these cheating detection methods. One tip for video editing - consider making your voiceover mono, not stereo, so it's evenly split between both ears!
@xyzzy645 ай бұрын
I feel like there could be a way to automate this process by using a machine learning model to recognize frames where non-"ingame frame" periods start and end, and a script that cuts those parts out of the video, then with an additional model which recognizes Mario's blinks, and creates a time-series of blink values and compares them against the expected time-series for the gameplay video and returns a confidence value on whether the gameplay is legit or not.
@LilacMonarch5 ай бұрын
That would not work very well, at least as of now. Machine learning is still abysmal with video
@xyzzy645 ай бұрын
@@LilacMonarch it's bad at generation, but simple object recognition in single frames has been entirely possible for years
@tronitt5 ай бұрын
It's kinda scary to think that we now have to find out how often Mario BLINKS in order to catch cheaters, and we're only now uncovering these cheaters. Who knows how many good times are up that are cheated and we've just never found a way to prove them.
@Llamology5 ай бұрын
Super Mario 64 is such a funny game to me cause not only can blinking wrong make someone’s runs illegitimate but a SOLAR WAVE hitting an N64 perfectly can result in a time save
@tasede5 ай бұрын
Real video doesn't start till 11:28
@Tangiiness5 ай бұрын
i respect keeping the cheater’s name anonymous, but when one of the resources linked in the description immediately says his name the effort feels unnecessary
@le_crispy5 ай бұрын
brother please centre your audio.
@sniddler9114Ай бұрын
*center 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
@kj123._.Ай бұрын
@@sniddler9114🫵🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@cathode_mothrayАй бұрын
@@sniddler9114 center is the correct spelling regardless... so...
@waffler-yz3gwАй бұрын
center* welcome to earth alien
@le_crispyАй бұрын
Didnt realise I have ignorant people trying to correct me
@cyclonegye5 ай бұрын
I'm slowly gathering intel on how cheaters get detected, so that I will make an undetectable cheated speedrun
@MaksB.Ай бұрын
Congrats on almost 10k!
@MeltCat_Amy5 ай бұрын
It's really neat to see how these sorts of persistent cycles (either a programmed one such as the blinks or and fundamental electronic one such as the main hum) underlying a single run can be so helpful in verification. Hiding the name felt jarring because I know the drama-loving lizard brain part of me clicked the video for that, but with your justification and more rational thought, a rehabilitative stance such as that you've presented is wayyy healthier for everyone involved, so thank you!