Yeah honestly I don't like moving that quickly and while REL didn't ask me to have this video ready in any particular amount of time I knew day 1 would be super exciting for everyone so I made it happen. I literally stayed home 3 weekends in a row to make sure I spent plenty of time with the KC62 and T5x but I'm tired now and I miss my friends so I'm gonna chill now for like 2 weeks before I do anything else.

@@NemoPropaganda relax and enjoy buddy, you’ve killed it

Noooo, I want to slow down lol.. Also FVX12 showed up today, has variable phase for you :D

@@NemoPropaganda I'm really digging the focus on subwoofers man!

@@JosephTongret Thank you bro, I'm gonna try and chill but we got a few more to go, RSL Speedwoofer, SVS Micro, Rythmik FVX12, SVS SB1000 Pro, etc.... I honestly might just chill for a few weeks either way...

@@NemoPropaganda waiting for T7/X review.

@@PremKumar-vt1hq Hey Prem, I don't have one here yet but I'm sure it will happen at some point :) Zero Fidelity reviewed the previous T7i version, you can expect just a bit more overall from the new version so watching his video is a good place to start :D kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9h2p61ys9SlYWg.html

Wow that is super cool of them.

I had that experience once with another company, named Teddy Pardo, I bought secondhand equipment from a local, and one of the devices was defect and out of warranty, they helped me to try find the problem trough a lot of emails, but in the end I had to send the device all the way to Teddy Pardo in Israel for repair, and they fixed it for free! That’s the best customer support I have experienced.

Honestly I was going to make more comparisons but I was running on 3 hours of sleep and I kept drawing blanks lol, like if you notice for a second I forgot the name of Tekton.

Another reason why I like your channel is that it’s similar size to one of my rooms which I’m thinking about making into a dedicated 2 channel room. It seems you’re able to get good sound in “your” room which is very encouraging for me 😁

@@t8500shx I only have 1 suggestion: DO IT! :D

Yes sir :)

Thanks for the new music!

@@vigneshkarthikeyan8174 👍

Love that track, great call as a low end test

@@vz3_ hits nice and clean, too.

I've never heard the Heresey 4 but if they're strong down to 30hz like the Buchardt S400 you might need to move up to the T7 or 9.

surprise :D

The new 9x is a bit more expensive so no loss there. The 9i is fantastic and I'll admit I might prefer the slightly smaller cabinet of the 9i if I were in your shoes :D

I think so yes, the low end is noticeably stronger on the T5x, no doubt the larger cabinet helps with that. However the T5i is still an excellent subwoofer so I don't think current owners need to upgrade. Current T5i owners looking to upgrade should look to the T7x. For T5x I suggest pairs unless the room is very small.

Hi bro, happy new year! I do not feel anyone should consider their neighbor when buying a subwoofer. I think you should consider your neighbor with listening habits meaning perhaps don't play too loudly past 9pm. So I think you should buy the sub you want. The overall volume is usually what's going to disturb a neighbor, I don't think driver orientation is a major factor. I used to have an SVS PC2000 in a third floor apartment and never had any complaints. Hope that helps.

Honestly I don't know why people get upset about the branding, the ones on the feet you can't see at all, especially if you have carpet :). To me it's a tasteful touch of elegance :D

Wait what? No no, bring on the gloss. Matte finish is for motorcycles.

excellent choice!

@@NemoPropaganda that’s reassuring coming from a reviewer such as yourself and your experience.

@@geraldgreene5563 T5X is fantastic, it will be plenty of bass for most people, some rooms will of course need a pair as it is only an 8" and can only do so much in a larger space. Enjoy it!!!!!

@@NemoPropaganda thanks for your reviews.. it certainly helps a lot of customers make decisions especially when you can’t get a home demo which is the best way to make decisions on gear.

@@geraldgreene5563 I agree, my goal is to help people make a decision but if I can help them even just narrow it down to a few options thats good too. Theres no replacement for first hand experience :)

Yes, just had a lot of things that were time sensitive first like this T5x video. Personally I love them, they are like the Chora 806 but better. Highly recommended for lower volume listeners.

No not at all. I can see how some people may look at such a small box and have a hard time believing it can make real bass but I assure you it most certainly can. If you have the opportunity try have an audition. It's like tasting delicious food, no matter how much I tell you a food taste good sometimes you have to try for yourself :)

I have not heard 7x, REL can answer that question better than I can. I think 9x pair would he fantastic though.

Thanks bro. You can but if you’re looking to have a larger one for theater and a smaller one for music I’d suggest a HT1205 for the larger one.

it will be ice cream and ketchup for sure. The heavier tone of the SPL style sub will drown out the nuance detail of the SQ sub. If you're looking to reinforce the T5 I'd use REL's own HT-1205, that has enough SQ to blend seamlessly while offering up a good amount more extension and output.

@@NemoPropaganda champion! thanks for the advise - especially as the HT1205 is currently nearly half the price of a micro 3000 over here in the uk at the moment :)

@@leech-myster-funk2677 Nice dude, sounds like perfect timing!!! Just keep the crossover on the 1205 at 9'oclock or less for best results, enjoy!

T5X would be my choice for sure if it's music only. If it's theater also maybe go for HT1205 instead.

Aye!!!!!!! That's honestly crazy :D

@@NemoPropaganda you the man vro keep up the good work and continue to be Blessed

Edit: Nevermind, I misread your comment lol. In a theater these would be more of a sub sub woofer, like you would still have a larger sub dedicated to LFE and the T5i would support your mains.

Monitor Audio Bronze 100, excellent dialogue clarity and imaging. It's what I use in my upstairs 2.1 "theater".

mmmm, I'm gonna call that an odd shaped schmedium room :D

Hi Takoda, I suggest you email REL. They are very good at recommending a subwoofer based on your room and existing speakers.

I don't have Kinki integrated amp, I have their preapm and mono block and yes I can use REL subwoofers via high level no problem but with mono block you have to use dual subwoofers for high level connection which is why all my REL T/X reviews are dual subs :)

if you're mostly listening to music in a smaller room the pair of T5X should be fantastic. If you have a healthy apetite for bass, a larger room, or like to listen louder you may be happier with a pair of HT1003 MK2, either option is fantastic.

Keep saving those pennies. It will be well worth it.

Saved enough? How is it?

I don't use class D amps so I don't know which way is best but Shane just did a video on high-level with REL you can see here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sNB7ZKRlzJbLhoU.html&ab_channel=ShaneLee you might just have to experiment to see what you like more. Personally I like to run my speakers/sub without highpass but a lot of people enjoy using the highpass function also.

@@NemoPropaganda much appreciated.

I have a T9x on the way but I have not heard it yet. I also have not heard the JL audio subs so I can't really comment on either just yet I'm sorry. What I can tell you is tonally Focal is an excellent match for REL (not sure which size you need though) and Rythmik (F12 or FVX12). I'd maybe call REL and see what they have to say about a single T9x in that room size. They will no more about that :)

@@NemoPropaganda Hey, thanks Got in touch with Rel, they're saying 1 T9X would get the job done for me. Will check out the options from Rythmik as well. Looking forward for your video on the T9x. :)

@@suyashmoorpana9408 awesome, probably at least 6 weeks out :D

I have a pair of T9X in my room right now that sound fantastic. I would say my room is the limit of how small a room you can put a pair of T9X in which is 10x12ft with 9ft ceilings. Your larger room should be fine with a pair of any of the T/X range. You could even step up more if you wanted to. I do think 5x is maybe too small for your room unless it's a music only system at lower volumes.

since both subs you are between are made by the same brand I suggest you contact the manufacturer. They have more experience with various room sizes than I do.

I ended up buying them if that tells you anything :D. If you want them to sound bigger grab a pair of REL T5x subwoofers. They will sound very full!!

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks a lot Nemo!

Nice! I reviewed the L12, L22, F12SE, and my FVX12 just delivered today lol, Rythmik makes good stuff! PSA's smallest subwoofer is a 15" and that's a bit too large for me since my channel focuses on subwoofers for music use.

Hey Charles. Using speaker levels off the power amp certainly could reduce or even eliminate Dirac's ability to dial in the sub for you. Why not just use the subout on the NAD?

@@NemoPropaganda I always thought a big selling point of REL was their line level input. But if I’m going to run from my NAD, that wouldn’t be a selling point of REL for me, right?

@@CharlesHoopIMO it's just a feature that many reviewers and youtubers have exaggerated over the years. Regardless of how you connect your REL subwoofer be it line output or speaker level output you still have a REL subwoofer. You still have a great cabinet, you still have insanely efficient & lightweight driver, you still have their class a/b amplifier, you still have their incredibly fast filter set, etc...

Both! Just kidding, so the pair of se8 will of course have a lot more output while the 1 T5X will offer up more nuanced detail & fidelity. Unless your room is very small I suggest the 2 SE8 subs or a single Rythmik L12, or REL HT-1003 for that price.

Hi man, I know it’t two yrs later but I wanted to thank you for your suggestion. I bought rel t5x paired with quad s2 and synthesis soprano le - 2x 15w, el84 tube amp and I cannot be happier.

Sorry I don't believe rating audio equipment performance or improvements in terms of percentages.

@@NemoPropaganda No worries, I understand. I love the new look and rounded corners. I noticed an additional weight of 5lbs, do you know particularity why? I know they updated the driver and some components.

@@ChaiBearProductions it's bigger.

I think you will be happier with a 1003 MK2, video games can have some really deep bass and the 1003 MK2 will convey that with a little more authority & depth.

own? mmmm, Rythmik F12, REL HT1205, & SVS SB-1000 Pro are the only ones I personally own right now with all the rest being review samples.

Wooo Simon that's a fantastic system you have there!!! We have similar sized rooms and we both use mono block so as a mono block user you be advised you cannot use only 1 REL T/X sub because their RCA input is only a single meaning unless your preamp has a single summed mono sub output you can only send left or right signal. Using high level again you run into the same issue where you can only send left or right signal as you cannot connect a single high level cable to both mono block amps, each mono block can only send signal for a single high level cable. Monoblock users have to use pairs of T/X subs. Now onto the answer, I feel the Tzero is extremely niche and will always recommend a T5x instead of the Tzero. Tzero is almost for people who don't really like bass but want a little more fullness and tone. With that said my suggestion is a pair of T5X. If you can only use a single sub and want a REL the HT 1003 MK2 is awesome and can accpet L&R RCA inputs from your preamp so you can use a single sub. Hope that helps.

Hi Nemo, you are simply the best! Thanks a lot for the very thorough explanation (I was afraid that was the case for using only one sub and you cleared my doubts). Really appreciated. I think I will take your advice about the T/5x and go for two of them. Besides the fact that I need a white color to match the rest of my living room furniture, with one per channel I can connect them using the high level connection which is the best way to go (not only for REL suggestion but also Paul GcGowan from PS Audio made a video about it). Keep up the good reviews you are doing and have fun! @@NemoPropaganda

Hi Nemo, at the end I bought two REL T/5x and man, the best $1,200 ever spent! The whole sounds got to a total different level. More refined, fuller, bigger. A real game changer. If I only think that I never like the idea of having subs… what a fool! Thanks again for your advice. Cheers!!!

@@simonerossi7334 thank you for the update, I'm happy to hear its working well for you!! You have a great set of speakers and now a great set of subs. I could easily be happy with that setup forever!

It’s me thanking you for the amazing reviews and the advices on these subs specifically. Your availability and courtesy on following up my text is remarkable! If it wasn’t for you I might not have such a fantastic combo!!! Keep up with the amazing “work” you are doing! Take care.

listening habits & room diemnsions will make that difficult to translate into anything meaningful. I don't listen very loud and I had a pair in a small room. This review is over 2 years old now and I have returned the samples so I no longer have them.

T5i has been discontinued for over 1 year. I don't cover discontinued products.

Thank's I'll check out that track. T5X is a great sub too, there is naturally a big difference with respect to headroom and extension though.

@@NemoPropaganda Which will have more extension?

@@AromaFrank between the 8” T5x and 12” L12?

@@NemoPropaganda Got it :)

hard to say brother, how much bass is enough depends on a lot of things and personal taste is a big factor. Some guys don't need too much while other guys need 4x 18's to be happy. You're welcome to hop in the free discord if you want to chat about this more, there you can post pics of your room and get more feedback from other guys to help point you in the right direction.

Depends how big your room is :), if you're getting just 1 I'd shoot for the T7X, but if you want a 5X only I'd shoot REL an email with your room dimensions and see what they say just to be on the safe side :).

Hi Drell, I think you should first watch my REL vs. SVS video to understand the difference and hopefully discover which customer you are: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKuqY5aJ0MnXnH0.html

@@NemoPropaganda Preciate it man that helped👍🏿.You seem to do a great job at filling the niche of music focused subwoofer reviews.

@@drell1636 thank's dude! did you discover which customer you are?

@@NemoPropaganda Yep, I think rel/rythmik is closer to what I am looking for. Time to decide what size I need now. Thanks!

L12 is a much larger subwoofer, it will play louder and extend lower while offering up very similar SQ characteristics. The T5X will of course look a lot nicer in the room with it's beautiful painted finish and has excellent SQ but it is an 8" subwoofer. If it's for a music only system either one would be great but the L12 is far more capable overall and If it's for a mixed system the L12 will offer up a lot more of everything for theater duty.

Would you be doing a pair of T5x vs the other options or single? Is this for movies music or a mix or both?

@@NemoPropaganda mostly music. I could do 2 subs but it is over my budget and takes up more space. I lean toward the svs for size/power and features but sound is most important.

@@iiiiii1449 so the T5X is just an 8", 1 can't compare to a 12", 2 can, but not 1. Since you are now between SVS and Rythmik I suggest you watch this video to help you decide which one is for you, both are very good but very different: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKuqY5aJ0MnXnH0.html

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks I have one more question. Would 1 T5x be enough in my system? Also if I went with 1 12'' for now and decide to add another later for symmetry etc would it be to much bass for the equipment/room I mentioned.

@@iiiiii1449 "enough" is a very personal question, some people only like a little bit of bass while others like A LOT of bass. In my room which is 10x12 with 9ft ceilings 2 12" subs was too much and I didn't have the range of adjustment I needed to dial the subs in nor could I get them in their sweet spot. dual 10" subs seems to be the limit in my room for dual subs for a music system. Oddly I can run a single sub of any size without any issues. If your room is bigger than mine I think I would go for a single 7X or 9X to start.

Hey brother, that depends on your listening habits. I would say yes for most people but if you like to listen very loud like 95+dB then even in a small room dual T5X will be close to their limit. Most people seem to listen around 75-85dB and a single T5X should do just fine in a room that size.

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks mate,........appreciate your advice.

@@Apodimi1 Hi. I own Focal 906 bookselves in a 5x5,5m room, and I listen at 75-80db. Do you think that a T5x is enough or I should go for the T7x instead ? Rel suggests 2 x T5x, but Icannot stretch my budget so long. Thanks

@@dimitriskontos858 Dimitri, in a room that size I suspect a T7x will do the job........Ideally 2 T5x's would be great but if you don't have the budget, then a single T7x should be ok.....also, ask the dealer if you could do a trial listen with a T7x in your room.......then you'll be able to judge better.......Καλη τυχη στις επιλογες σου και καλες ακροασεις...!!!

@@Apodimi1 Ευχαριστώ.

I think so but call REL to make sure it's a good match for your speakers :) bigger speakers may need t7 or t9

@@NemoPropaganda tks they are fyne audio f501 speakers

it's tough to answer the question of "enough bass" because listening habits and rooms are all so different. But if headroom is a concern and movies are important for you why not a pair of 1003 MK2 instead?

I guess it is mainly about the fact that I don’t have a ton of room. It’s a skinny room but it’s fairly long as well, so I really only have one place to put these which is on either side of my TV console. Mainly, I don’t listen at insane «reference like» volumes, but my main concern was that these things can do movies a little bit of justice. How would you compare these VS a pair of SVS micro 3k’s for movie watching? Thank you for the reply bro!

​@@drakebrady711 if the t5x was designed to be the best sounding tiny sub then the micro was desgined to be the loudest tiny sub so they have very different goals and with that said yes the micro will be considerably louder than a t5x but the t5x would sound better so that's a tough call. The 1003 MK2 splits the difference having SQ closer to the T5x while still oferring more output.

you're a gentleman and a scholar!

t5x is a very small bro, having dual t5x in a theater will be much better than not having subs of course but they are very small also so it will be more like having bigger speakers with full bass. t5x was not designed to primarily handle the LFE channel in a theater but it's a great start and will do okay at lower volumes. You can add a 1003 or 1205 MK2 for LFE in the future. If movies are more important to you then I suggest you start with the 1003 or 1205 mk2 first, those were designed to handle the LFE channel. Hope that helps.

@@NemoPropaganda many thanks for the reply..can I use my existing Dali e12f for the Lfe .. alongside two t5x or two t7x will do both the jobs.. well

@@monotoshmitra I think if you already have it for sure you should use it for the LFE channel. It may not be a perfect tonal match to the t5x but LFE is mostly just effects, rumbles, explostions and stuff like that so it should sound great :). When I say LFE channel I mean it will only produce bass when watching movies and there are LFE effects and it would not be on when listening to music.

@@NemoPropaganda perfecto.. for now I will use my existing e12f sub + two rel t5x..for music+theater... leter if needed will replace the Dali sub with ht 1205 mk2 ...I hope that will give me the ultimate bass response and help to complete my setup ...I have space constant else could have gone for two t7x... many thanks again for the guidance 🙏🍺

Love it!

The T5X is superior in every way.

KC62 if I'm using my Buchardt S400, REL T5X if I'm using my Focal Aria.

@@NemoPropaganda I have DIY speakers with SB Acoutics Satori, the S400 uses cheaper version of SB Acoustics. They should sound similar to S400 just better. But I'm thinking buying Focal Kanta No.1 to have to pairs for fun. I got more confused lol

@@itamarkas so if the DIY speakers you made have strong bass down the 30hz like the S400 then the T5X is too small for you. T5x is really good and I love it but it wasn't a good match for the SB driver the S400 uses. Tonally the KC62 was a better match. But if you end up with Kanta then I think REL T series will be an outstanding match!

​@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for taking your time to answer! My speakers starts roll off at 50Hz...but the 6.5" SB Acoustics woofer make you feel every Hz. Hard decision. Will comeback to uptade! Keep rocking

Hi TPN, REL and SVS make very different subwoofers, REL focuses on fidelity while SVS focuses on sheer output so they each bring something different to the table, I made a video about it if you need help determining which one is better suited to your taste. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKuqY5aJ0MnXnH0.html

those two really different subwoofers my brother, one is a lot bigger than the other, the L12 is more in line with the SB-1000 Pro both of which will have more SPL and extension than the Micro. The Micro is fantastic for it's size, if you need a small subwoofer the Micro is an amazing choice but if you don't need a small subwoofer you should be looking at larger ones. It's almost like thinking about buying a car or an suv, you can't compare the two in any fair way.

Bruuuuu!!!!!!!! :D

sound pressure level

No Patreon but I do have a free discord, link is in all my newer vids. Thank you for the kind words and contribution. You are 100% correct. My technical knowledge is a bit higher than I show in the videos. I don't like doing technical dissertations and instead hope to speak in plain simple terms that most people can understand especially our brethren in other countries :)

Both have excellent sound quality, The T5x is a touch more dynamic and being smaller may integrate better. The F12 being larger will play louder and extend lower. I say get the F12 if your matching them up with larger speakers or a larger room, get the T5x if you're matching them up with smaller speakers or a smaller room. The SQ overall on both subs is top notch and you'd be hard pressed to say one is better than the other in terms of SQ.

@@NemoPropaganda I would like to understand this. The Rhythmic has 300w but not the REL how could they be the same?

​@@AromaFrank They are not the same at all and I didn't say they are the same :). I simply said they both have very good sound quality.

No idea, stopped caring about that after visiting a few manufacturing facilities in various countries and learning just about any country can build a quality product so long as there is a proper budget and proper oversight.

Yeah its like Egyptian cotton. Misdirected comsumerism. Just enjoy things :). We live in a global economy. You gotta make things great to go anywhere!

Yes :)

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you for your honest opinions! It's very helpful to me

Hey whats up Austin, Ivan is a cool cat! He has my personal facebook, can you ask him? I don't want to post it here...

I think the T7x is front firing :D

@@NemoPropaganda It is, but the 5 is not, hence one reason I'd get the 7.

What's the difference between down firing and front firing? Is the bass articulation and transients better with the front fire T7x? Thx

no, most youtubers don't sell anything, what an odd question...

same, no dsp = faster response, that's why REL doesn't use them.

Not every new product needs to be fully outfitted, do we really need 4 ways to get Spotify on to our system? I'm sure someone will use their receiver's bass management anyway.

@@NemoPropaganda Hmm...no DSP equals to faster response? I didn't know that. Looks like all the heavy weight top end AV receivers which have an abundance of in-built DSP processing won't respond fast to the audio signal. Wow!

@@haridaspillay if it's the whole system it doesn't matter since it's all timed together.

I already answered that question in the video when I said insert any brand larger subwoofer around the same price :D But I will review 1000pro in a bit, it's sitting in my garage currently as I'm more focused on the 3000 micro.

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks. I thought the sb 1000 was smaller than the T5x

@@wynnsimpson I havn't taken it out of the box yet but the SB1000 pro is a 12" :)

Are you sure it doesn't go into standby on it's own? I'm at work now so I can't check but I'm pretty sure the blue LED on the back turns red and the sub powers down after 30 minutes or so of inactivity, granted I'm also overwhelmed with subwoofers ATM so I could have it mixed up.

@thatguy it probably draws some decent power being a class A/B, I know my emotiva TA-100 draws something like 10w when it's on but not playing music. I could be wrong as my memory is a bit hazy and maybe it's psychological but I do feel like all my subwoofers sound better after the first 30 minutes of being turned on so even when I have standby I prefer for them to be on full time.

Jeeez, someone always complains about this, I'm convinced you guys have never seen one in person or have crazy good eyesight lol. You can't see the branding on the feet or on the top in person unless your like 2 feet away from it.

Just get a no25. Takes care of the over branding.

You don't even notice the branding once the sub is in place. Relax..