Dumbledore LIED: The REAL Reason Harry Survived Voldemort’s Avada Kedavra Revealed (THEORY)

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Harry Potter Theory

Harry Potter Theory

26 күн бұрын

"I thought he would come," said Voldemort in his high, clear voice, his eyes on the leaping flames. "I expected him to come."
These were the words ushered from Voldemort’s mouth just moments before Harry Potter met his apparent demise. In this moment, Harry had made the choice to sacrifice himself in order to protect his friends- exchanging his own life for the safety of every other witch and wizard who bravely fought against Voldemort’s forces.
And for a little while, it looked as though this may have been the end for Harry. Unlike his previous confrontations with Voldemort- like his meeting with a fragmented Voldemort attached to Professor Quirrell, or their duel in the graveyard of Little Hangleton - this time Harry had come forward without any intentions to fight back. He came to die.
Of course we later find out that Harry, who stared death right in the face, eventually survives. But what I want to discuss today is HOW he survives.
If we go by Harry Potter canon, there are several explanations that shed light on how Harry manages to survive, and we owe our gratitude to Dumbledore for providing us with answers to these sorts of questions.
But what I want to suggest today…Is that Dumbledore LIED. Join me in today’s video as we discuss WHY Dumbledore lied and explore the REAL WAY that Harry was able to return to the land of the living.
Let’s dive in.
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@MitchMitchellStories
@MitchMitchellStories 24 күн бұрын
I'm going in a totally different direction. First, I don't think Harry ever died; when he comes out of his brief trance (or got knocked out briefly), Voldemort awakened at the same time, as if it was immediate. If Harry had died, both he and Voldemort would have taken longer than a second. Second, Every other horcrux that got destroyed was an inanimate object, while Harry was a living being, not a container; the killing curse worked differently on Harry the second time Voldemort tried to kill him. Third, Harry didn't die the first time because he was protected by his mother's sacrifice; a piece of Voldemort might have gone into Harry (obviously it did), but Voldemort didn't follow through on the process he had to follow when he created all the other horcruxes, and he had no intention of having it happen. Fourth and last, I think Harry was able to protect everyone else from Voldemort's curses because the elder wand had decided Harry was the worthy possessor, and there was nothing Voldemort could do about it.
@Themrine2013
@Themrine2013 24 күн бұрын
yes the wand didnt want to kill harry because it was his by rights. but harry was only able to protect everyone because he willing sacrificed himself and set the same charm up as his mother did before him. and its obvious harry didnt die. it was the piece of voldemort that did. when harry collapsed it was due to the stress the killing curse put on his body while similtaniously as that was happening the wand didnt want to kill its true master so it chose the piece of voldemort instead. thats why voldemort felt it also since it was his soul that was just destroyed
@Poizenne
@Poizenne 24 күн бұрын
Not all the horcruxes were inanimate. Nagini was very much a living creature.
@MitchMitchellStories
@MitchMitchellStories 24 күн бұрын
@@PoizenneGood point, but the killing curse wasn't used on Nagini, the sword was, and I was happy that Neville got to do it.
@shaneross1217
@shaneross1217 23 күн бұрын
Voldemort killed Harry’s parents there for splitting his soul and making Harry the horcruxes he never meant to make…… this is explained in the flash back were Voldemort asks his teacher about horcruxeses he says to split your soul so many times I can’t remember which movie!
@davidbartholomew7812
@davidbartholomew7812 21 күн бұрын
I disagree with your argument about the time passage of their passing out. Dreams take place in an instant. If the entire King’s Cross scene was in Harry’s mind, it was only a Microsecond
@michaelolivero1626
@michaelolivero1626 17 күн бұрын
It's also possible that the elder wand, deciding Harry was it's true master, didn't target him with the killing curse, but instead aimed the curse at the hitchhiking piece of Voldemort's soul, destroying it but leaving Harry unscathed
@QuinnMallory-od1hw
@QuinnMallory-od1hw 24 күн бұрын
No, Harry was never properly prepared to be a vessel, therefore no need to destroy him, the spell to stabilise such was never cast so the piece literally fell away.
@Spawned-uy8ip
@Spawned-uy8ip 24 күн бұрын
When did Rowling say anything about a stabilizing spell? All that was said was Harry was an accidental Horcrux. We were told the entire vessel had to be destroyed, which means it's another plot hole. But then here come the fans to fix the author's blunder...AGAIN.
@shashankyadav7787
@shashankyadav7787 24 күн бұрын
​​@@Spawned-uy8ip 🤦🤦 there is nothing like plot hole the fact is you don't even know the story . Harry wasn't a true horcrux because to create a horcrux you should have a clear intention to make it and cast a spell to create it to hide a part of a soul in an object read the books in case of harry voldy just died he had no intention to make harry horcrux and didn't cast any spell , seriously jk never said about stabilizing spell read the books 🤦 6th book
@DanBeech-ht7sw
@DanBeech-ht7sw 23 күн бұрын
@@shashankyadav7787 "read the books" We all have. We are told nothing about how to create a Horcrux except that it involves murder. Nothing about stabilizing spells. Furthermore. Rowling said Harry was Horcrux. She didn't say anything about him not being a "true horcrux". Nothing. So...read the books.
@ronakpatel7293
@ronakpatel7293 18 күн бұрын
The stone should have also been destroyed when the ring was destroyed, meaning its magic shouldn’t have worked…. I guess you can say that voldy made this horcrux improperly. However, by the time he made Harry’s horcrux this art would have been perfected.
@danielgodfrey4415
@danielgodfrey4415 25 күн бұрын
Having the cloak alone makes him more powerful. In the story of the 3 brothers the youngest was able to hide from death until the end. I highly doubt he wore it 24/7
@Mew_Mokuba_Akari
@Mew_Mokuba_Akari 24 күн бұрын
If I remember right the youngest brother had a son. So no he couldn't have had it on 24/7 or he wouldn't have met anyone and had a child.
@joshuabaker8304
@joshuabaker8304 24 күн бұрын
Dumbledore could see harry why couldn't death?
@gimmekromer1151
@gimmekromer1151 24 күн бұрын
thats just a tale the real creators of the hallows were the peverels brothers.
@Spawned-uy8ip
@Spawned-uy8ip 24 күн бұрын
Funny how that Cloak could hide the brother from Death but couldn't hide people from detection spells. The only truly special thing about it, it until the last book or so, was that it endured longer than any normal Cloak. Then towards the end it suddenly became able to resist summoning spells.
@Spawned-uy8ip
@Spawned-uy8ip 24 күн бұрын
@@gimmekromer1151 Exactly.
@antsletjuka6304
@antsletjuka6304 22 күн бұрын
1. I think Harry got into a state of half-death, like a coma where body can either fight to live or give up and die (read 3 on why i think so) 2. Lilly's charm simply changed functionality. Instead of "shield" which wore out soon as he hit 17, it was now a "tether" 3. Elder wand, not wanting to kill its master, opted to direct the power of AvadaKedavra at the fraction, destroying it instead, which is why I think both collapsed to the ground. Fraction latched unto "... only LIVING being it could find..." meaning, perhaps, that Harry's soul was the vessel, not his body. I may be wrong about all that, ofc, but this theory seems far-fetched to me
@toodlescae
@toodlescae 21 күн бұрын
I agree except that only thing that dropped when Harry turned 17 was the bit of magic that Dumbledore used to extend Lily's protection to include his aunt's home.
@cloudian159
@cloudian159 24 күн бұрын
Honestly I have wondered if Voldemort hadn't made himself unintentionally a horcruxes for Harry by using his blood
@bengeldinger
@bengeldinger 24 күн бұрын
Intention of dying is just as important as dying oneself
@dustinwashburn1283
@dustinwashburn1283 24 күн бұрын
The issue with the killing curse not giving Harry another scar is actually pretty easy to quash. The killing curse doesn't usually leave a mark at all. However, a soul that has just been violently ripped apart reaching out in desperation to live may very well do so. And the evidence to back this up is that Harry's scar acts up anytime he is near Voldemort or one of the Horcruxes. So, I believe it's the physical manifestation of Voldemort's soul attaching to Harry, not from the spell backfiring. As for the Horcrux needing to be destroyed, between the fact that a regular Horcrux likely needing some form of incantation or ritual to embed the piece of soul into an object (which was definitely not done with Harry), it's also not well documented how a piece of soul will normally interact with an actual living thing. The only other case is Nagini, which I believe may be a transfigured item due to her near indestructability (why wouldn't you apply such a spell to yourself if you could). I do like the theory that Harry became the master of death, and thus was spared from it. But I do feel these arguments don't hold much water.
@DanBeech-ht7sw
@DanBeech-ht7sw 23 күн бұрын
"How are you Harry?" "Scar's actin' up. Still. Mustn't grumble. Happens every time there's going to be a thunderstorm or there's a Dark Wizard of extraordinary power about. That and me lumbago."
@technoloverish
@technoloverish 24 күн бұрын
This is very though-provoking! That said, after thinking more carefully about it, Harry himself was never really a proper horcrux. He didn't have the curses places upon him and such that are require for creating a horcrux. As such, is it possible that the the part of Tom Riddle's soul that was still inside of Harry could be gotten rid of without him passing and instead just having him come as close as one could get to death?
@hansbystrom9983
@hansbystrom9983 25 күн бұрын
YES! I always wondered about the way Hermione describing horcruxes, where the container needs to be destroyed for the piece of soul to die. Yet Harry's body endured while the soul fragment died? No, it never made any sense. Harry as the Master of Death is believed by many in general, I guess it's more of a discussion what it potentially entails. Can you actually cheat death, like going back to the world of living, as a MoD? Good theory.
@gimmekromer1151
@gimmekromer1151 24 күн бұрын
hes not a normal horcrux therefore the rules doesnt apply.
@kancelas
@kancelas 24 күн бұрын
I think the image Harry has of Dumbledore is the one he sees at the King's Cross, and because of that, the Dumbledore image only knows what Harry subcouncious knows/suspects.
@khunkao
@khunkao 24 күн бұрын
I've often thought of this as well!
@kancelas
@kancelas 24 күн бұрын
@@khunkao I don't like how much time it took for me to come up with this theory. :p
@VincentWeasleyPotter
@VincentWeasleyPotter 24 күн бұрын
To be the master of Death you must accept it - Harry relinquished the cloak and the stone & did not want the power of the Elder wand = His mastery over that Death. Thus this was the sacrificial element needed to administer the same shield of Love protection for all those caught in the cross hairs of the Dark Lord and his elder wand. This story written by J.K as a twist on that of the story of Christ, his Crucification (which the destruction of Harrys body would have been thus concicrated infront of thise standing against the Dark Lord, most likely at Hogwarts, to show the totality of his Supremacy) and Rise from the grave. So in combination of 1. Harrys acceptance & becoming the master of Death, 2. Voldermort having made his physical body with Harrys very own Blood, 3. Harrys Blood & Sacrifice casting a Love protection charm over all from the Elder Wand, 4. Harry being the true owner of the Elder wand (having disarmed Draco), And finally 5. The story of Christ, his Crucification & Reserection - I surmise that Vildermorts Avada Kedavra curse did not rebound from Harry unto Voldermort at this point was in conclusion saying simply due to the Elder wands true alligiance, instead choosing to destroy the fragment of the Dark Lords soul!
@angelaoliver2750
@angelaoliver2750 25 күн бұрын
I think it also may have to do with the stone Harry held just before he was killed
@gimmekromer1151
@gimmekromer1151 24 күн бұрын
no the stone doesnt work
@classiccuneyt
@classiccuneyt 22 күн бұрын
@@gimmekromer1151 why did the films make it seem it was the reason lol…so confusing as a film only watcher I thought it was a resurrection
@FreeTheJambon
@FreeTheJambon 20 күн бұрын
​@@classiccuneytThe films suck at actually following the plot
@gimmekromer1151
@gimmekromer1151 16 күн бұрын
@@classiccuneyt yeah but the movie explained that the stone doesnt work 2 times the first being in the 3 brothers tale and the other was when Harry used it to see his dead familly and they werent really there so...
@classiccuneyt
@classiccuneyt 16 күн бұрын
@@gimmekromer1151 the issue was showing it before he died and him holding it implies his gonna use it….why how it otherwise
@kerim.peardon5551
@kerim.peardon5551 21 күн бұрын
I just assumed he was dead, but having a near death experience. Meeting a guide (which may be a loved one) and getting answers to your questions is a common experience--as is being offered the choice to stay or go. I was just listening to an account the other day by a woman who sat and talked with her grandfather in a beautiful garden, beyond which were beautiful mountains. Her grandfather told her if she wanted to stay, she just had to cross the mountains--similar to Harry taking the train to the "beyond."
@laurendobinson5930
@laurendobinson5930 24 күн бұрын
Amazing video. Video idea . What would Harry be like as a person if he had been brought up by his parents,
@gildaolsen2888
@gildaolsen2888 21 күн бұрын
Voldemort used the Elder Wand on Harry with the "adava kedavra" spell. However, Harry was the rightful owner of the wand and the wand would not attack his owner. The wand killed Voldemort's soul/horcrux, but not Harry. That's why Voldemort felt to the ground. Harry just fainted. Since Harry had the resurrection stone with him, he could contact Albus. When Narcissa talked to Harry he came back to and she found him alive. Harry was the master of death and couldn't be killed. That was the magic that protected him. When he later on brakes the Elder Wand, he then stopped being the master of death.
@darth3261
@darth3261 23 күн бұрын
The sacrificial charm is completely overpowered. I wonder if a loyal Elder Wand could breach it.
@dad7130
@dad7130 23 күн бұрын
He did not die because the curse was cast with the Elder Wand and that wand has to be won and will not act against its master, which was Harry from his defeat of Draco at Maloy Manner.
@Velgar_Grim
@Velgar_Grim 23 күн бұрын
"The Elder Wand didn't change alliance when Voldermort death cursed Harry, because he didn't fight back. Unlike Dumbledore who fought furiously back when Draco disarmed him. That counts!", pointed Dumbledore out calmly.
@evieb8412
@evieb8412 23 күн бұрын
I’m cackling. This is such a hilarious plot hole 🤣
@kerim.peardon5551
@kerim.peardon5551 21 күн бұрын
If memory serves, Draco "dueled" Dumbledore in that he disarmed him, and it was not Dumbledore's intention to be disarmed. In other words, Dumbledore lost his wand to Draco. Harry was not fighting Voldemort and was not disarmed by him. Therefore, Harry never lost his wand to Voldemort. The wand could have still chosen to switch allegiance, because it won't abide weakness, but sacrificing yourself to save everyone is not the act of a weak man. (Compare to Wormtail who would not sacrifice himself for his friends.)
@linkthehero8431
@linkthehero8431 22 күн бұрын
"Rather the cloudy vapor had not yet formed into surroundings." So Harry went into a Nintendo 64 version of King's Cross? 🤣
@PB-cs5ph
@PB-cs5ph 25 күн бұрын
I really like this theory and I think that it fits better than what Dumbledore told Harry.
@jenniefernandez9465
@jenniefernandez9465 22 күн бұрын
Harry didn't have the resurrection stone when he confronted Voldemort. He's tossed it away in the forest right after he saw his parents and the others.
@kittyhurd4207
@kittyhurd4207 24 күн бұрын
Absolutely brilliant video!! With a perfect ending! I love your content
@mecahhannah
@mecahhannah 24 күн бұрын
❤ Awesome as always thanks
@Rendous
@Rendous 24 күн бұрын
The theory of him being the true master of death is alluring, but it doesn't really take everything into account. Yes, the containers of other Horcrux's were destroyed when the pieces of souls were destroyed, but they were all inanimate objects while Harry is a living person. I think it more likely that the Elder Wand recognized Harry as it's master and didn't want to kill him, so it chose the piece of Voldemort's soul instead, and the shock of that knocked both Harry and Voldemort out at the same time and would have been enough for Harry to die, obviously. It didn't kill Voldemort because Nagini was still the remaining Horcrux that needed to be destroyed, and it was only afterwards that he became completely mortal again. We also know that Neville cut Nagini's head off while her body simply slumped to the ground, lending further credence to the idea that a living thing made into a Horcrux operates under a different set of rules than inanimate objects do. While Harry becoming a Horcrux was, at best, an incomplete process, the fact remains that living Horcrux's clearly exist under a different set of rules than ones that are made from inanimate objects.
@sandramacglashan1088
@sandramacglashan1088 22 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing your video.🛖🧹⚡️🪄🧙‍♀️
@kitsunekodomo
@kitsunekodomo 9 күн бұрын
The movie made it seem like the stone only had a one-time used.(which was B.S.) I also think that the only thing that Voldermort killed was that piece of Voldermort that was in Harry as well. But please keep in mind that Harry only lost the stone after Voldermort bounced him around a few times.
@kathleensue1
@kathleensue1 15 күн бұрын
Harry’s humility and love for other’s…as reflected in his character…saved him.
@BennyKleykens
@BennyKleykens 18 күн бұрын
All true, except Dumbledore still longed to be the Master of Death, even at old age. It's because he put the ring with the Ressurection stone on his finger that he got cursed (as the ring happened to also be a Horcrux , cursed by Voldemore). Dumbledore still couldn't resist Power and was still longing to become the Master of Death and it cost him his life.
@cabudagavin3896
@cabudagavin3896 24 күн бұрын
I'd like to think Dumbledore didn't technically lie, that the twisting of fate was in essence the driving factor, and the reason why he found the hallows in the first place. The 'how" fate did it was a moot point. Like... magic y'all. I doubt fate even allows the holding of the three hallows, except when absolutely necessary.
@yspegel
@yspegel 21 күн бұрын
It's all a big paradox to me. If Lilly's blood is in Voldemort too, is that why it went different? Did that protect him from a rebounding killing curse yet keeping the protection alive allowing Harry to return? Why didn't he get a second scar???
@TheLyndz
@TheLyndz 21 күн бұрын
I do not believe Lily's blood did much here. The main thing it did earlier, was allow V to regain a body (blood of the enemy was required int he spell) as well as to touch Harry without immense pain/burning from the protection spell. I personally believe that once V used Harry's blood in the rite to gain a new body, the protection spell was broken. Harry wasn't protected from everything, only V, and now that V's aura (I assume) would not show some slight (very, very, very slight) trace of Lily, the protection spell should recognize V as part of Harry's family. But that's just my own supposition. I agree with others who have said that the Elder Wand recognized harry as its rightful owner, and therefore killed the only other thing it could when it hit harry -- the bit of V's soul that had attached to him. This also explains why both of them fell down. So, the 'rebound' never happened for two reasons: 1. the protection was broken (per my supposition above) and 2. it DID kill something, V's bit of soul that attached to Harry with the original rebounded spell when Harry was a baby. As mentioned in the video (I think, perhaps it was just comments), the scar likely did not come from the curse itself, as it is well documented and stated elsewhere in the books that the killing curse leaves no mark at all. However, a broken piece of soul very well may lash out as it attaches to someone or something as a last resort of not dying itself. (As in, when V cast the killing curse on Lily and the rebound broke his soul again. V didn't even notice that it had happened since he was so broken at that point anyway and probably had no idea a bit of soul could auto-attach to something/someone else.)
@jonthecarguy
@jonthecarguy 24 күн бұрын
Harry was the master of death at this point that’s why he survived.
@jessco8950
@jessco8950 24 күн бұрын
I always just thought he used the resurrection stone on himself lol
@craxd1
@craxd1 24 күн бұрын
Harry was in, what is called, purgatory, the in-between, where souls are judged. Both Harry's soul and Tom's soul shard went there, but Harry was still tied to earth over Tom, his soul was still whole, and it was very similar to Harry having a horcrux, but not the same. Harry's blood, and a living body in Tom, still existed on earth. Harry's own body was still there, too, and it was living as well. Really, Harry was possessed by Tom's soul shard, he wasn't a horcrux. That was the misinformation Dumbledore told, where he claimed that Harry was an accidental horcrux. Harry was really a host for a parasite. Was it his mother's protection? I think not, it was a lucky coincidence that Tom used his blood, resulting in two living bodies remaining on earth anchoring Harry, as the two souls traveled to purgatory; one only temporarily.
@joemurray2293
@joemurray2293 24 күн бұрын
Did Voldemort know the Ring was the Resurrection stone before making it a horcrux or even after anytime?
@QwertySpaceOfficial
@QwertySpaceOfficial 24 күн бұрын
The scar can't have been formed by the killing curse. It's stated many times that the killing curse leaves no mark. My theory is that the scar was formed by Voldemort's soul.
@navi2710
@navi2710 22 күн бұрын
Funny thing is if you think about it Snape was the cause of Voldermort's downfall. Had the prophecy never been disclosed Harry would have never become the chosen one 😂
@DraconimLt
@DraconimLt 20 күн бұрын
@@navi2710 not really, Voldy knew he only had half the prophecy but chose to attack anyway, he was his OWN downfall. Once he decided to attack, the reason Harry survived is because Snape asked him to spare Lily and he gave her the chance to step aside, but that wasn't exactly Snape's intention...
@navi2710
@navi2710 19 күн бұрын
@DraconimLt Voldy did not know he had half of the prophecy when he went to kill Harry. It was only after his return did he learned about it and even then he only knew it existed.
@DraconimLt
@DraconimLt 19 күн бұрын
@@navi2710 very wrong. Voldy knew there was a prophecy, it's WHY he attacked the Potters that night! Go read the books again. Or by ''only after his return did he learned about it'' did you mean he only learned there was a 2nd part then but not what it was? Cos then you're closer... Snape heard half the prophecy but got caught eavesdropping on Dumbledore's meeting with Trelawny and thrown out. He knew he had only part of the prophecy, as he was caught partway through. He told Voldy what he had heard AND that it was only part of it. Voldy then chose to attack the Potters based on the info he had. It was the prophecy that MADE him want to attack them, if he hadn't heard the first half, he never would have so specifically targeted a baby as a threat. (When Snape goes to Dumbledore, he specifically tells him all this, and says 'he thinks it means Lily' to which Dumbledore says 'it did not speak of a woman but a child' and Snape corrects it to 'her son'.) It failed and Voldy became a wraith. When he 'returned' he became very focussed on learning the REST of it, which is why he wanted to get it stolen from the Department of Mystery's.
@Towerbrian23
@Towerbrian23 3 күн бұрын
My thought was that yes, he felt the effects of the killing curse and was technically clinically dead, however, the piece of the sould of voldemort took the full blast, like Nearly headless Nick took the full blast of the basilisk gaze and mrs norris was petrified. so yes he did die, but it was maybe a shock to the system due to the effect of the curse a temporary shock to harry's body.
@76tennboy
@76tennboy 24 күн бұрын
Dumbledore lied?!?!? I just can’t believe it!
@jacko_jaxon
@jacko_jaxon 24 күн бұрын
great video
@timothyvanhoeck233
@timothyvanhoeck233 25 күн бұрын
This is an amazing theory...one that makes sense.
@michelleweintraub945
@michelleweintraub945 21 күн бұрын
I think Harry wasn’t dead because it was Voldemort that destroyed the holcrux and since he was the creator of it then he would be able to destroy it without any harm to the vessel. I think the other horrid vessels had to be destroyed for the horrid to be destroyed was because they were being destroyed at the hand of someone other than the creator of the horcrux.
@jonnylawwd1
@jonnylawwd1 24 күн бұрын
I kind of always thought that Harry did die along with the horcrux in him & him having an anchor to the mortal world more sort of just gave him the ‘option’ to either ‘anchor back’ to the land of the living or die with the horcrux.
@diegomartinez7180
@diegomartinez7180 24 күн бұрын
I think the reason for the forest events not leaving a mark on Harry and not destroying Voldemort's body is precisely because of the combination of the sacrifice of Lilly and the true owner of the Elder Wand. The love magic protected Harry again, but also protected Voldemort (after all he has the same blood at that point). But then again, the spell was much less powerful because the wand didn't want to hurt its owner. So there you go, Harry and Voldemort didn't die because of Lily's sacrifice, and the wand didn't leave a mark on its true master. By the way, that's enough of a reason to doubt Harry died. If he had, the wand would have switched its allegiance immediately, after all death of the previous owner is one very clear way for that to happen, but it kept being Harry's.
@classicmiriam
@classicmiriam 24 күн бұрын
Voldemort couldn’t die yet. Because Nagini was still alive.
@diegomartinez7180
@diegomartinez7180 24 күн бұрын
@@classicmiriam, yes, but his body could have been destroyed just like it happened when he killed Lilly and James, but this time that didn't happen.
@classicmiriam
@classicmiriam 24 күн бұрын
@@diegomartinez7180 right of course
@evanschneider7123
@evanschneider7123 23 күн бұрын
If it’s real and all in his head then he lies to himself.
@ImperatorNocturne
@ImperatorNocturne 25 күн бұрын
the master of death theory is a good one, though there is a hole in your story, didn´t one of the elder wand owners get killed in his sleep and the ownership transfered to his murderer?
@lethyadon1182
@lethyadon1182 25 күн бұрын
Harry willingly died without a fight. The old owner had no choice in their sleep :)
@raymondben36466
@raymondben36466 24 күн бұрын
Maybe because he didn't have the other 2 hallows.
@grossartus
@grossartus 22 күн бұрын
I do believe the curse rebounded again, when Harry woke up, voldermort also fell, meaning he was also in a way affected, but he also had the "protection" from lily so his body wadnt destroyed as the first time he tried to killed harry. Harry didnt die becaude what died was that piece of voldermort soul and not his, let's say Harry was in a limbo because his soul was undirected impacted by the curse, so he had that choice He couldnt be the master of death because he didnt possessed all deathly hallows at the same time, i think you have to hold them
@meacadwell
@meacadwell 22 күн бұрын
When V tried to kill infant Harry, he didn't have unicorn blood in him like he did at the end of the series. Therefore the situation with V was different therefore the same thing couldn't have happened as the first time around. When Harry was an infant V tried to kill him in a smaller room, which could be why H ended up with the scar on his forehead. H was also an infant with more tender skin. When V tried killing Harry at the end H was older, less tender, and it was done outside - much further away than a small room. Which probably explains why no mark. Since we never hear where the horcrux was located in H's body, or how it was contained, we can only surmise things.The part of H the horcrux was in was destroyed enough to release it from H's body. It must have been enough otherwise the horcrux wouldn't have been destroyed. One can assume a horcrux in a living being would not be contained the same way it would be in a non-living item. H's mother had to die to put her protection onto H. H also died otherwise he wouldn't have been able to put the same protection on his friends. The book where it says if H were to take a train he'd probably go 'on' which implies what awaits us in death. But he was tied to life because V used H's blood to get his body back. So, yeah, H died.
@donaldfrederick501
@donaldfrederick501 19 күн бұрын
No - there's a simpler explanation - when he arrived at the "train station" neither Harry nor the piece of Voldemort's sole had died (both moved).. both in theory had the option to "go on" or catch a train and The piece of Voldemort simply remained in that purgatory - afraid to move to either (because Voldemort always feared death)
@rebeccaconlon9743
@rebeccaconlon9743 22 күн бұрын
When i read it, (i was a teen) even i knew it was the deathly hallows...
@joshuabaker8304
@joshuabaker8304 14 күн бұрын
I think Dumbledore knew what harry was doing most of the . For instance in the sorceress stone on the train to Hogwarts Harry gets Dumbledores card in his chocolate frog he looks at harry then disappears .makes me wonder if he could hear Harry's conversations as well. All the paintings can hear and see?
@Ehrenhaider_Akainu
@Ehrenhaider_Akainu 25 күн бұрын
Hey Man do you know of the Jba Fofi cryptid in the Congo? Do you think it could exist in the Harry Potter world as Acromantulas
@JayAlbion
@JayAlbion 24 күн бұрын
It has never been clarified that Harry was a real horcrux. Yes, a piece of Voldemort’s soul was attached to his own souls but hence the rebound of the killing curse, V never made the proper ritual. IMO it was a unique case and the rules of horcrixesnnever applied to Harry. V ever had the same command over Harry as he had over Nagini even though they both supposedly were living horcruxes. When V AK-ed Harry in the forest, there was indeed a sort of backlash because V was thrown back in a heap but the killing curse didn’t rebound on V himself but on the soul peace (not horcrux) in Harry.
@steve44xds
@steve44xds 21 күн бұрын
I’ve got a question. Hopefully followers of this channel can answer. When Harry Potter met Professor Quirrell for the first time at the Leaky Cauldron they shook hands. Why didn’t Quirrells hands burn like they did when they were fighting for the Philosopher’s Stone?
@cisio64123
@cisio64123 18 күн бұрын
Neither Harry or Voldemort actually died in the Forest because they were tethered to each other as "equals". Voldemort still had Horcrux Nagini after Horcrux Harry had been taken out and Voldemort was carrying Harry's mother's blood protection and the Elder Wand both which were loyal to him. The idea of what happened to me is the Avada Kedavra came from a wand loyal to it's master and struck the only thing it could that wasn't a part of Harry..the Horcrux. Voldemort and Harry essentially briefly clinically "died " from the Horcrux being destroyed and their bond being broken but because Voldemort still had Nagini he was still tethered to life and Harry was tethered to him through Lily's blood protection . This was the reason for the gleam in Dumbledore's eyes when he found out Voldemort took Harry's blood. Harry would still have the option to use that tether as it was meant for him to return to life or move on . Harry chose to return leaving the awful Horcrux behind in death thus he and Voldemort were revived.
@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438
@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438 2 күн бұрын
Imagine if Voldy had a wood chipper nearby 😮
@erikagholston6610
@erikagholston6610 2 күн бұрын
I just thought I would never figure it out.
@pickles_mcgickle6583
@pickles_mcgickle6583 14 күн бұрын
Imagine being like “I don’t like what the author wrote, and I disagree with what she wrote in her books” 😂
@WIIICCITYDoowop
@WIIICCITYDoowop 18 күн бұрын
You’re wrong: The Lilly’s blood tethering him to life fits I agree. The reason why the curse didn’t rebound onto Voldemort this time is because Harry had to accept death which lifts the enchantment. His body didn’t have to be destroyed because it was Voldemort who killed him you have to think Magic works in different ways for example Harry’s wand protecting him on its own accord, same with the horcrux. If Voldemort kills it then magic does it magic thing and wallah Voldemort destroys his own soul off his own negligence. I like the last take I think Dumbledore was trying to protect him from himself but why would Harry turn to the dark side after conquering death? He defeated the darkest wizard he’s already have the 3 hollows he has family friends everything he could ever dream of he have no reason to get caught up in the Glory of being the Master of Death that’s not his persona all his mentors over the course of time instilled humbleness in him taught they were kinda grooming him to be humble the whole time especially after Voldemort returned you notice how everyone was always guiding him on the righteous path teaching him righteous magic i think he would have been humble about being the Master of Death he probably would have only told Ron and Hermione but it wouldn’t be nothing new or shocking because of all they’ve went through
@tomcat124us
@tomcat124us 15 күн бұрын
idk, quite clearly said that Dumbledore wanted Snape to unalive him to stop his suffering and save Draco. He never anticipated Draco unarming him and leading Harry to unarm draco causing the Elder Wand to change its allegiance to him. Master of Death took off The Cloak and greeted death as old friend. He clearly Loved Ginny and gave away a future with her to protect all of them. As you can see in the Pt 2 Movie the ones pulled from rings aren't really there and more along called out to him to unalive himself. so they too could have not been real. Tom did take his blood teithering Harry to Life and Tom wanted to destroy harry in cold blood so it took out the next thing. piece of his soul. The Elder Wand had a history of switching sides even midflight through its history.
@chinolebron6233
@chinolebron6233 14 күн бұрын
So, the elder wand decided to actually k¡ll Harry in the forest but chose not to in the great hall? Someone make it make sense for me. I've always found the closing of the story to be so confusing and each and every explanation I hear still hasn't helped me piece it together 100%. There's always something on the sidelines that make me question it all. Harry's "death" is questioned a lot for a reason.
@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi
@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi 23 күн бұрын
have recently stumbled upon a lot of fanfics using a new trope = Lily is descended from a gaunt squib and thus voldy couldn't kill the last heir of slytherin due to some ritual salazar did to his bloodline.......................another trope is that it was the last 2 Peverell descendants = when Peverell blood is on the line ...Death itself changes the rules. I prefer this to dumbles "the power of love" nonsense
@SciFiGuy72
@SciFiGuy72 10 күн бұрын
That wasn't Dumbledore. That was Death.
@phenixorbitall3917
@phenixorbitall3917 25 күн бұрын
Brilliant
@ltGargoyle
@ltGargoyle 24 күн бұрын
perhaps the reason dumbledore did not tell the truth, was because he was not there. a theory, harry was killed and had the option to go on or return, but he had to work it out for himself which he would prefer. basically his soul was fighting to survive. he imagined Dumbledore there having a conversation with him as he tried to piece together the events and reason to live or go on. people will talk to themselves, same idea. a part of him wanted to go on. the other part wanted to return to live. they had a chat, and the one who wanted to live convince the other one to wake up and continue on.
@ilithielxd2356
@ilithielxd2356 10 күн бұрын
the reason why harry didnt die and why voldemort didnt die was because when he used avada kadavra on harry for this time something was different and the difference now than first time is that now harry had a part of voldemort's soul inside him so the protection spell harry had it worked but the reason why voldemort didnt die like first time is because when he used AK the protection spell flected it to the closest threat to harry was voldemort's soul so the protection spell deflected the AK right toward voldemort's soul inside harry bcs was the "closest" bad thing to harry and is not theory.. are facts
@DavidAmrod
@DavidAmrod 24 күн бұрын
Harry did not reflect back the killing curse or receive a scar because the killing curse hit Voldemort's soul within Harry.
@Spawned-uy8ip
@Spawned-uy8ip 24 күн бұрын
But to destroy a Horcrux, it was said that you had to damage the container beyond repair. Harry's body, the container, was perfectly fine. Doh, what am I doing? Rowling wrote a series meant for kids, so she didn't bother with thinking things through very thoroughly. Which, just as someone else told me, means the entire story is loosely built like a stack of cards. Poke at it too much and the whole thing falls apart.
@Spawned-uy8ip
@Spawned-uy8ip 24 күн бұрын
My bad.
@shashankyadav7787
@shashankyadav7787 24 күн бұрын
​@@Spawned-uy8ip i think you never got the entire story lol read it again. Everything is well written and explained ofcourse if u have peanut brains you can't understand
@YishaiBarr
@YishaiBarr 24 күн бұрын
I think it has to do with the elder wand being Harry's and not being able to kill its master.
@grizzlyaddams642
@grizzlyaddams642 19 күн бұрын
Wat if he lived cause he was thinking about ginny and there love protects him like how his mom did but we know the actual reason but thy would be a good theory to ginny protection saved him
@DragDealer
@DragDealer 23 күн бұрын
C’mon we all knew he had all hallows and that he was not gonna “die”
@diegestrandetekokosnuss5865
@diegestrandetekokosnuss5865 25 күн бұрын
Everything you say in this vid builds on the asumtion,that harry is a horcux. But thats not the case. Creating a horcrux needs a spell, ritual or whatever. The part of voldy's soul that lived in Harry, was never a proper horcux. If it was, then it would not need to attach to a living thing.
@tommymayfield814
@tommymayfield814 24 күн бұрын
Good point.
@jacobdrolet4262
@jacobdrolet4262 24 күн бұрын
Amazing
@EarlJohn61
@EarlJohn61 3 күн бұрын
The real reason Harold survived was the Omni-verse issued enough plot armor that he will eventually meet Sherlock Holmes and the two will have many fun type adventures in the opium dens of Madras. 🤣
@MsHoneyBBQ
@MsHoneyBBQ 24 күн бұрын
oooooo. this theory was sooo goooood🤤
@FirstnameLastname-rc8yd
@FirstnameLastname-rc8yd 14 сағат бұрын
He was in the matrix. Nailed it.
@Yezpahr
@Yezpahr 24 күн бұрын
I don't think the reason you mentioned was to keep temptation away from Harry, because he heard the story of the Deathly Hallows. He must've put the pieces together himself or else Hermiony would've elaborated on it. In the end he was sure he would survive because there were 3 combined spells from different magic. Spell 1 came from the resurrection stone he held and 'used' to see the ghosts of his friends/family was actually able to bring himself back, instead of any of those ghosts. Spell number 2 came from his mother's love. The third spell came from the items he had, maybe these 3 spells combined would be needed to keep the body intact (2), the soul tethered to his body (1) and to bring his soul back (3). But it's not stated by JK Rowling anywhere.
@orelbarak3131
@orelbarak3131 22 күн бұрын
I think Harry Didn't truly die.. not PROPERLY anyway.. I believe that piece of voldemort's soul is latched on Harry's *soul*, not his body, he was a living being and it makes more sense. (I mean I'm sure Voldy would have make it so it would imbedded in his whole form {body+soul}, but didn't get much time to do that..) so that means you don't necessarily need to destroy the body - you need to kill the person/ removing his soul from his body (whats AK essentially does without Destroy the body). But how can u AK someone ( rip his soul) while he has Ancient magic protecting him from dying at all?? (even from his soul to be ripped by AK, which in that case the curse rebound) I think there is another Ancient magic in play here and it is the ELDER WAND. sure the elder wand will never kill his true owner no matter how powerful it is, but if harry realy realy wanted to die , in order to save his friends,and knowingly offers both souls (harry's & voldy's fragment) to the killing curse of that who hold his blood and connected to him through the protection Ancient magic - I believe the ELDER WAND heed his master commend and bypass the protection just much so it wouldn't rebounce and rip only the soul which is not properly protected by the Ancient protection magic. but the process is not lightly and comfort.. being struck by AK is shocking to the body and mind, nether the less by AK from the ELDER WAND! harry must have fall unconscious and maybe was clinically dead AKA NDE (not 100% sure about that, but that could explain the choice he granted to either carry on or return) for a several minutes. which was enough to invoke harry's Ancient Protection to his friends. (I think whats more matter here is the intention and not necessarily be 100% death for good)
@fallendeus5641
@fallendeus5641 24 күн бұрын
Or... the Elder Wand wouldn't hurt it's master... so instead it killed Volde's soul fragment and the resulting trauma caused Harry to go unconscious and have hallucinations of Dumbledore in his head.
@kennyhoward9113
@kennyhoward9113 21 күн бұрын
If harry was defeated then why did the elder wand remain loyal to him?
@hackman669
@hackman669 16 күн бұрын
The wand brought him back 😅
@khunkao
@khunkao 24 күн бұрын
I enjoyed this video. It's well thought out, but I'm not sure Dumbledore lied in the slightest. Dumbledore does NOT know everything! Voldemort & Harry had ventured into realms of magic that no one ever had. There was simply know possible way of knowing. Dumbledore admitted as much when discussing how Harry's wand had responded to Voldemort on his escape from Privet Drive. Further, the Hallows had never been united before, so how could Dumbledore be sure of their effects? The point regarding the destruction of the vessel (Harry as a Horcrux) is interesting, but we have to remember that there are many elaborate spells required to create a Horcrux. I believe that Voldemort had intended for Harry's death to be the final component to create his 6th Horcrux, but we don't know what vessel Voldemort had intended to turn into the Horcrux. The point is that whatever spell/s cast to bind the piece of Voldemort's soul to the object were never cast in the first place. The torn piece of soul simply latched onto Harry's as the only suitable "container" available at that time. So, Harry wasn't a *true* Horcrux. He was a simply a container for that piece of Voldemort's soul.
@The-You-Doober
@The-You-Doober 21 күн бұрын
I wish Richard Harris didn’t die and was is all the Potter movies.
@davidart1000
@davidart1000 24 күн бұрын
Since voldemort created the horcrux he might have been able to destroy it without destroying the container. It's untested magical theory
@whatadumstory8483
@whatadumstory8483 3 күн бұрын
Two content/video ideas for free. 1. What happens to the Muggle PM's when they either retire or lose an election? Do they get their memory wiped? 2. How does religion work? They obviously celebrate Xmas. What about catholic church and witch trials? etc.
@Llanchlo
@Llanchlo 23 күн бұрын
??? When Voldemort attacked Harry as a baby there were six horcruxes scattered around. At the end of TDH there were none other than the unexpected seventh which was in Harry. Of course the effects were different. I agree it is odd hsi body survived - but then again he was not a 'normal' horcrux as he was not deliberately created.
@saintzeroinfinity
@saintzeroinfinity 24 күн бұрын
What if Voldemort used a different spell instead of the killing curse?
@eschneggs
@eschneggs 24 күн бұрын
I think a Horcrux can't be created from a death caused by a battle with Voldemort. Harry and his mother did not defend with a wand or magic. It seems to be a cold-blooded murder is needed. Also, the soul can not be split more than 7 times, as 7 is important in much of the Harry Potter story. Harry becoming the unintended Horcrux caused the 7th split of Voldemort's soul, leaving what was left as only an 8th piece of Voldemort without a body. More to this but see what you think about this first.
@mcathawk1490
@mcathawk1490 24 күн бұрын
Great video. However, the three “deathly hallows” were each made individually, for three individuals. Are you really the “master” of death when you have all three? Did death say that? Who was the the first to claim this and is it true, or did they just say it?
@andeeharry
@andeeharry 25 күн бұрын
Dumbledore is a master manipulator, controller, puppetmaster. He knew how to play people, he knew how to move pieces around like chess. He did stuff in a way that suited him without revealing too much. He was in control, he lied about everything for a long time and since he used and abused people, he didn't have to say much, even with Harry. He used him for his own gain. He could have taken Voldemort down years ago, but instead, played the ''long game'', used people, caused unnecessary deaths and whatever. He told half truths, as he knew how to get into Harry's head, since he can read minds. He knew how to wrangle things to make it sound convincing. He lied his way to the end, and even after. Was it to protect Harry? Not really, he didn't care about the boy like that. He used him. It wasn't about not wanting Voldemort to find out either, it was something else. Harry never cared about the Deathly Hallows that much, since he dumped the stone and broke the wand, Oh no...Dumbledore just lied, because he can and because he did. You see. Harry didn't have to go to the forest. According to the lore, Lilly's blood was making Voldemort weaker because it was a foreign agent and his own body was destroying itself to get rid of the blood. Harry didn't have to sacrifice himself. Once the Horcruxes were gone, Voldemort was a mortal man, dead man walking. His insides were burnt out from the dark power that flooded him. He was just a vessel. Once they were gone, he would have K.O'd anyway. Harry's sacrifice was more on a biblical side of things, because ''he said to jump'' type of thing. The Deathly Hallows blocked the spell and protected Harry and apparently somehow Harry had his own Horcrux. According to the lore and a few websites, it happened during the Basilisk Fight with Fawkes This sort of story is changing a lot of things here. .
@rsk6929
@rsk6929 25 күн бұрын
Bit over board. Its just a book bro
@NotSentient
@NotSentient 24 күн бұрын
Well it does Sound convincing
@MAD_x
@MAD_x 24 күн бұрын
He did not broke the wand in the books, instead he put it back into Dumbledore's grave, after fixing his own broken wand with it. Just to be precise ;)
@Justybow
@Justybow 24 күн бұрын
wasnt harry a horcrux though? wasnt that the whole point of him dying? he had to die, or that part of him, in order for voldemort to be defeated?
@learobinson4450
@learobinson4450 24 күн бұрын
What utter crap. Lily’s blood was not making Voldemort weaker. That’s made up nonsense since there is absolutely nothing in the books that even suggested that. Dumbledore couldn’t have taken Voldemort down earlier since Voldemort had made at least two Horcruxes before he graduated from Hogwarts. If Dumbledore had fought & destroyed Voldemort during the first Wizarding War then Voldemort would have returned. Plus Dumbledore willing sacrificed his own life to help bring down Voldemort - how was that a gain for Dumbledore? And if Dumbledore was all about power & control & manipulation then he would have become Minister of Magic when the post was offered to him. He was actively working to permanently bring down the greatest dark wizard in history so yes, he had to be manipulative & secretive. Did the Allies go around announcing their plans during WWII? Of course not, because they had to be manipulative & keep secrets in order to succeed in bringing down the knot-seas & ending the war. That’s not going to happen if the enemy knows what you’re planning. And sacrifices always have to be made when you’re fighting a war. It’s horrible for those that don’t make it & the ones who love them but unfortunately that’s just how it is. Stop being obtuse.
@BlankZone34
@BlankZone34 23 күн бұрын
I can ask a dumb question, do you think ron lied about having 500 wizards card??? because i re watch hp 1 until fantastic beast, and remember when i was elementary there is a kid in my class in told me complete 100 disney cards, i was think back then the 100years disney cards is expensive for a kid and having all the cards is impossible to have unless your stupid rich so is ron eats all 500 chocolate frogs for the 500 cards because i remember ron family don't have extra cash to buy what is not needed i hope someone answer.
@DespoinaTheodoropoulou
@DespoinaTheodoropoulou Күн бұрын
Finally!!! Someone say whatever I thought when i read the book. And this is the only reason why I do not like so much this book.
@darth3261
@darth3261 23 күн бұрын
Wait a second, why did the Elder Wand accept to fire the killing curse at its master? It did in the forest, but not in Hogwarts. That means the Elder Wand was aiming at Voldemort's soul fragment and Harry never died. Later on the Elder Wand kills Voldemort instantly after he throws the killing curse at Harry again. But if Harry didn't die why do his allies have the sacrificial charm's protection? Unless they didn't and it was just the Elder Wand resisting Voldemort. Or it's just a plot hole.
@chad63
@chad63 6 күн бұрын
its because of the power of family
@ekowchancellor8653
@ekowchancellor8653 24 күн бұрын
He did tell Harry though
@patrickwilkerson1728
@patrickwilkerson1728 24 күн бұрын
Perhaps the Elder Wand could not kill Harry, because Harry was the true owner of it.
@noahortega8718
@noahortega8718 5 күн бұрын
He had the resseriction stone
@Real_Ivan_ooze
@Real_Ivan_ooze 22 күн бұрын
Harry was just that guy 💪
@RobertWWD
@RobertWWD 10 күн бұрын
Dumbledore didn’t lie. The only reason why Harry Potter got back to life was the Resurrection Stone. It’s possible Dumbledore didn’t know it still existed or thought Harry wouldn’t be able to find it during the duel resulting in Harry and Voldemort dying indefinitely.
@palantir135
@palantir135 24 күн бұрын
Since the conversation with Dumbledore took place in Harry’s brain, it’s very unlikely that he talked to the ‘real but dead’ Dumbledore. So why blame him.
@ralfhtg1056
@ralfhtg1056 24 күн бұрын
Harry was not a real Horcrux. Because the ritual to make a Horcrux was not completed. Thus Harry's body didn't need to be destroyed in order to get rid of Tom Riddles piece of soul.
@RebelCowboysRVs
@RebelCowboysRVs 24 күн бұрын
To have lied, he had to have both been the real Dumbledore and knew. This all happened in a quick dream. No reason to believe that Dumbledore was not part of Harrys imagination. And almost everything Dumbledore said on the subject was guessing, from book 1 on. He was not all knowing an most of what he said was wrong. He had theories about what might be happening an because of who he was, everyone else went with it. But he kept saying "I think" or "I would hazard a guess." He even says he is not as smart as others treat him. And that he is commonly wrong. He put Harry with the Dursleys, based on a blood theory that didn't hold up. It caused most of harrys problems. He tried to stay away from harry in the 4th book on a theory it would protect him, it didn't. He always has a theory, rarely a correct one.
@pr0fuse_gl1der
@pr0fuse_gl1der 7 күн бұрын
How was dumbledore wrong When Jk Rowling herself said Harry was the Horcrux Voldemort never meant to make. Like bro what are you on about
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