BG playing with fire. You can’t even become a RM without opening yourself up to the very real possibility of madness, possession, death… or the little death that brings obliteration.

Sometimes I cant help but wonder, with all the terrible risks all this genetic tampering unleashed, did they just trade one horror for another when they got rid of advanced machinery?

Probably the best breakdown I've ever seen of this part of the storyline. Only thing I could add is that it seems like Frank took a lot of inspiration from psychology back back in the day (would have been fair new to people around him).

there's also a plot line in which leto II and ghanima goad alia in various ways to see what triggers abomination, as well as seeing first hand how abomination takes hold and expresses itself. they almost treat it like a game, balancing their need to get rid of alia with familial restraint (i.e. not going for the juggelar, instead letting alia sink down by herself). her eventual end comes at the hands of the twins as well, shortly after they draw out the baron ego for all to see. part of their motivation was to examine and decide on the subject of abomination. it's not until they themselves see the signs (and jessica confirms it) that they decide to go with the golden path.

In terms of the movies (and mini series) we have only scratched the surface with the Dune lore. I've explored more of lore already but these presentations are great. I stopped reading reading in my early twenties but started listening to audiobooks during lockdown. I'm only beginning to explore these books more now.

I agree that this is an excellent summary discussing abomination. It really takes reading the books several times to catch all these nuances. Well done!

Given the Fremen constant and high exposure to spice, wouldn’t this have been a constant threat to their developing fetuses?

Reading Children of Dune it was just shocking to me that no one even tried to help Alia at any point. Maybe it's because genetic memory is such a ridiculous concept and it's not clear why a memory wouldn't be static but would exist like an active independent creature somehow, but most of all the repetition of "abomination" really seemed like an attempt to disguise there being no earned reason why it was inevitable and fatal.

How was Aliya possessed by her grandfather, when females has only access to female ancestry?

Over my many decades pondering dune, its intricacies still intrigue me to this day. An observation ive made about the BeneG , they really put significant effort devoting countless years and fortunes facilitating the emergence of a being that is by practical definition incapable of being controlled. Not only were their major goals a gamble against the youse at best, they also maintained a gatekeeping position on spices further capabilities. In later novels its made clear that males can undergo spice change the very same way BeneG do, and excluding them was potentially a mistake. Males could have bridged gaps and made the politics of the breeding program significantly easier. A male could father a great many children with similar women allowing significantly more, thousands more lifetimes added to the already diverse othwr menory. Just a few thoughts.

IIRC the BG don't use the water of life and the spice agony until after Leto's Peace. Until Lady Jessica the water of life was specific to fremen Reverend Mothers. The glossary specifically describes the process as using an "illuminating poison", but not specifically the water of life.

An excellent summary!

Now I'm thinking how deeply they will be able to adapt this in the upcoming films and TV shows.

Please consider doing a video on slavery in the dune universe

but why does the reverend mother say: "abomenation' when paul atreides silences her with the voice, after he tells the emperor he will bomb the spice fields??

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They fear equal screen time with the guild and mentats…

The female-line and male-line genetic memory thing is interesting. Women have X-chromosomes. Only men have Y-chromosomes.

i was wondering do you have a video about the specific effects of the scattering and what good did it really do? did it cause more harm than good? what did it lead to?

Are they all related

Man. did you get that wrong. A Reverend Mother surviving the spice agony gains access to her female ancestral memories, but is trained to handle them. Abomination is a fetus going through the agony, where the memories can overwhelm the unformed psyche of the unborn.

Loved this video will suscribe for more thanks

I do have a quetion. Why does Alia have the Baron's ego as she is not male. I thought only the Kwisatz is able to access BOTH family and gender timeline.

Abomination is the survival of an unprepared and untrained mind, ie: a fetus woken to consciousness and other memory allowing for the egos in that memory to take over the host.

You said early on that they had the genetic memory of their female lineage, but that can't be right. Alia is possessed by Baron Harkonnen, and so clearly all memories are available, regardless of the sex of the person whose memories were encoded. Otherwise Herbert made himself a nice, big plot hole.

More lore videos from the GOAT, just what I needed today.

Losing power...and maybe spiders.

Leto's golden path of 3000 years of pushing carts genius 👏

“He will see what we can not”

If you read this might I suggest mtg zombies of the multiverse

I like Dune but genetic memory is a silly plot device.

Is this The Academy of Ideas guy voicing over?

ulterior

They can't see genetic memory if there is a Y chromosome.

6:16 sorry, it doesn't exist.

Apologies up front for my overlong comment. Good video but it got me thinking about my main question(s) about the Dune Universe. I could never fully get into the whole Dune Universe because of the Bene Gesserit. If you're into it all, B.G. included, awesome. Personally, I'd be interested in how that galactic mercantile organisation works, (CHOAM?), and why the Spacing Guild, which seems like it has a stranglehold on interplanetary trade and military operations doesn't just run the galaxy by itself or in tandem with CHOAM(?)and dump the hilariously antiquated notion of ruling by divine right-emperors and dukes and all that-on the trash heap of history. As to the Bene Gesserit, and their "wisdom", ANY woman who has ever had her mother and one or both of her grandmothers, plus assorted aunts, great aunts, etc., trying to all give her conflicting and often contradictory advice knows too well that the idea of an endless line of descendants' voices-whether male or female-would be less than useless. Maddening for sure but HOW is this at all beneficial, let alone a crucial part of the reason the B.G. Order is so powerful and influential? And I'm not buying that the individual Bene Gesserit could pick and choose who to ignore. How? The whole experience would be completely new to anyone attempting to awaken these past memories. A wrong choice seems inevitable, as the choices are virtually limitless, odds seem that the voice that you respond to, listen to, isn't necessarily going to be the wise one or the honest one, it's going to be the convincing one. And regardless, we are all subject to our own foibles, phobias, biases and prejudices, whether "honest" or "wise" or not. Did dying make these ancestral women infallible? Do cave women join in? The women who, during their lives, had no notion of anything beyond their home, their village, their planet? Do the millions of women who held while alive, religious beliefs have anything to say about that now that they are dead? Is it all a sham? The orange Catholic Bible an abomination? Is connecting to a B.G. adept a form of Hell? So many questions. I don't think that Mr. Herbert knew a lot of women. Not saying anything against women. I'm one, we're swell. Awesome. Neat-O, even. But people suck. Some people suck all the time, most only suck some of the time. Taken as a group, of varying suckage, all clamouring for your attention, you're better off trusting in yourself. And if you kind of suck too, it comes to the same thing, so, why am I risking my life to open up this potential trip to the Looney Bin, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 Dollars to listen to people who likely suck about as much as I do? Again, Mr. Herbert may have held some odd notions about women or ancestral wisdom or the value of listening to someone so out of touch that your daily life might seem like magic to them but I'm not buying it.

I feel sad, I think I discovered a major plothole in the whole Dune book by watching your video :( WARNING: POTENTIALLY RUINS DUNE FOR YOU: Ok so please tell me I'm wrong, but in the subject of the Bene Gesserit planting different myths across different planet to be able to exploit them in the future, why didn't they go back to Arrakis sooner, given that it was the most important planet in the galaxy and only place to find spice? It just seems unlikely that Jessica would be the first one to set foot in there after so many thousands of years, given how pivotal that planet was for the entire galaxy. It seems almost casual that lady Jessica would go there and be like "gee... I wonder if the Bene Gesserit have ever been to this planet I have to go to?" Am I wrong? was there a reason the BG were avoiding the planet until lady Jessica?

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I see now. Abomination is based on what may take place when Ancient Egyptians/ Gods & Goddesses connected to and thru Akashic memories. This is available to every race on the planet. Yeah there is only one race who is exclusively connected far stronger than every other period because they are the original. The Black Race. In order to access a classic memory, one must have the embodiment of chaos, chaos a.k.a. means melanin the darkness the dark force the black dot. It is the reason why our instinct in our energy is so in tune with our environment. We know when dangerous about to happen just before it happens moments before happens or possibly years before it happens. It gives us the ability of foreside the other supernatural powers many other cultures and races of people deemed to be demonic supernatural or unnatural. Within the acoustic memory, is infinite wisdom for sight peering into the past into the future. But along with that comes from the energy of ancestors. Whose on eagles and or personalities can overtake one if the man has a presence of fear that can be magnified. A weakness that allows for possession to overtake the current body and which one is able to express and see many lifetimes of oneself or others through ancestry or bloodline. As well as the lifetime of others who are connected through the akashic memory. I knew this sounded familiar. In Dune they are called the Bennie Jesuits. Apologies if I didn’t spell that correctly. I am using voice text. In Star Wars they are called the knight sisters. Usually it shows three they are the three sisters of legend throughout time. They hold immense power that is connected throughout the universe. In Greek mythology they are the three witches they possibly have a more official or different name. But this is what I know them to be. It is not solely that they can only be in groups of three. But the number three in which they represent invokes an energy of power. The three witches the three sisters the three goddesses. Whoever is the author of this book knows full well that throughout genetic memory or Morceau genetic itself. The female can be accessed throughout a longer period of time. Where is the males genetics has a more limited access throughout lineage. This is something that is known in science today. The female genetic trait can be traced through a longer period of time the genetic male trait has a limited lineage if that makes sense. He simply took that and flipped it around when it comes to the managers wits because of spiritual application. Instead of taking basically putting the limit that is natural and males to write in ethics and flipping around and putting on the females in his novels. It’s genius not gonna lie. When I say the ancient Egyptians I am talking about black Americans. Not limited only to them but. I wanna point out the entire world was black there was no other race on the planet. This is why we are gifted with genetic inheritance down to this day. More so than any other race. This is why physically we are gifted in our physical application of physical exertion abilities. Any type of sport or physical activity we dominate in naturally. So myself it comes from good genetic gifts. And also genetic memory. Whoever the author of this book or novel series is really knows their stuff and it’s not just what people think it’s science fiction or fiction it’s not real. This is all based on what takes place in real life. The things that they call demonic or witchcraft or no evil based on religion of today that was the world, before there was a religion it was only spiritual method methodology. Energy magic witchcraft was not known as evil it was just known as the thing to do. Back when many were tapped into the primal power. This is a really great video. I can’t wait to see the next. Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!

They fear MGTOW.

What a absolutely disappointing spiral into content farm this channel has become. Audio sounds like a 1950s tin can recording. can open any other video and its fine. but this one sucks. I dont understand why creators who were once respectable just stopped ever reviewing their own content before they vomit their Ai script read-through online. All of it laid over un-credited art, most likely just more ai prompts copy and pasted and reuploaded here... Pathetic.