Dune Part Two - Stilgar being Paul's biggest fanatic

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23 күн бұрын

Scene compilation of Stilgar being the most loyal and the biggest fan and follower of Paul Atreidies / Lisan Al-Gaib / Mahdi
#dune #duneparttwo #dunepart2

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@troiscinq7650 17 күн бұрын

Stilgar was almost as pivotal in fulfilling the prophecy as the Bene gesserit

@carmacksanderson3937 17 күн бұрын

Arguably more. He played kingmaker in how he coaxed Jessica into becoming the Reverend Mother, setting off the rest of the events. He was the final catalyst (arguably penultimate if you were to consider Paul being the final one)

@ProfessionalCommentor 17 күн бұрын

It makes me think that he wasn’t just another believer but really was pushing it in a way, wanting green paradise during his time and fully coming into it

@grantwithers 17 күн бұрын

He absolutely was. It's made more clear in the books. As, even if paul died right after he left caladan, and Jessica also died along with Alia, Stilgar would still have led the fremen in a jihad in his name across the galaxy. And if stilgar had died it would have been the no. 2 fantatic and on and on down the line.

@AbcDino843 14 күн бұрын

The Stilgar in the movie is an exaggeration of the Stilgar in the books. Him and Chani were changed the most, to be the vehicles of delivering the story at an accelerated pace that fit the studio's plans. I am grateful for the films, but it's a missed opportunity to tell the story in a more authentic way, in three rather than two films.

@pyotrbagration2438 14 күн бұрын

@@AbcDino843 Yeah, given how the pace for part 2 was, I was expecting a trilogy ( then again I dont read tabloids so it might have been said previously that the first book will only have two parts), the ending seemed a bit rushed. All in all a great movie.

@radheksabintangakbar894 17 күн бұрын

I should get myself a hypeman like stilgar

@aid-f 17 күн бұрын

As written 🤲🏽

@rexise1989 16 күн бұрын

Lol we all need that type of hype man😂

@Wanderer628 16 күн бұрын

Stop wishing for a hypeman like that, and be that hypeman.

@Thewhiteandorange 15 күн бұрын

@@Wanderer628 this dude get's it. be the Stilgar you needed.

@SRcunningham 15 күн бұрын

Lisan Al Gaaiiiiib!

@phaiz55 17 күн бұрын

Some people don't understand Stilgar. Imagine yourself as a Christian in our world and seeing Jesus return. I'm not saying Paul is a god but the conviction is the same.

@nationalsocialism3504 17 күн бұрын

Paul is a god by all functional qualifications

@AgentMercer 16 күн бұрын

@@nationalsocialism3504 not quite, because he is still restricted by human attachments, but his son becomes a god

@arturzinurov4781 16 күн бұрын

And all things considered Stilgar was cautiously hopeful about Paul until he rode Shai-Hulud. Which would be equivalent of seeing someone look like Jesus and then see that man walk on water lmao “oh ok yeah you are Him”

@Thewhiteandorange 15 күн бұрын

if jesus came back tomorrow, he'd be crucified by Wednesday. the man hated banks, loved the poor, and cared about the environment.

@nationalsocialism3504 15 күн бұрын

@Thewhiteandorange obviously... Germany got destroyed and it's people killed in the millions for electing a man to save them by the Judeo-American, Judeo-British, & Judeo-Bolshevik Empires. They killed Jesus the first time so they would definitely kill him again... their religious book has Jesus in hell being boiled in a pot of excrement & semen if you're curious about how they feel about him.

@Jpifr 17 күн бұрын

I love how in the south “I’ll lead you to paradise” is meant into the goal of a green planet as Paul will be their destiny while in the final scene “lead them to paradise” is meant as -send them to hell- and giving back the ownership of fremens’s destiny.

@AgentMercer 16 күн бұрын

Paul’s jihad does bring greenery back to Arrakis too so it works out lol

@abelingaw5070 15 күн бұрын

@@AgentMercer More like his son will (or does in the books). He's just paving the way for it, making the fremen loyal to the Atreidis name.

@Strollerist 17 күн бұрын

Javier Bardem's performance as Stilgar was phenomenal. His portrayal of the character is so serious and committed to his beliefs that it becomes humorous for the viewer due to the intensity of his faith. In real life, such unwavering dedication is rare, making Stilgar stand out. This might remind us of how we sometimes find deeply religious people, like those in Amish or conservative Muslim communities, unintentionally funny. While Stilgar himself isn't meant to be humorous, Javier Bardem delivers a fantastic performance. Dune's overall casting is perfect; it feels like the characters were written explicitly for the actors. An amazing film - visually stunning, conceptually brilliant, with superb acting and a phenomenal score.

@kasinda5814 17 күн бұрын

Except the emperor, can't take it serious

@Brendissimo1 15 күн бұрын

In real life, people with faith that strong are capable of extraordinary things - acts of bravery, kindness, and yes, even horrific cruelty. Faith is extremely powerful and extremely scary in the wrong hands.

@thegrunbeld6876 15 күн бұрын

@@Brendissimo1this is why I believe that ultimately, the role of philosophy and science isn't to eliminate faith and religion, but to guide and inform them.

@Vhalikuporamee447 15 күн бұрын

@kasinda5814 You know the Emperor not by how he looks or acts, but by how others treat him. That was Denis Villeneuve's idea when he briefed Walken on the role.

@tupples2863 15 күн бұрын

It's sad seeing him go from pauls friend to a blind fanatic

@Suntoria236 17 күн бұрын

4:27 never fails to crack me up 😂

@TKon-cu9mp 16 күн бұрын

Only the true messiah denies his divinity! - Life of Brian 😂

@Plain--Jane 14 күн бұрын

i love his little gesture so fuckin much like, OF COURSE it's as written

@viniciussardenberg706 5 күн бұрын

He is!!!!

@nvelsen1975 Күн бұрын

They did a similar scene in Babylon 5 where an alien leader (G'Kar) is subjected to a tragedy, then ends up becoming an enlightened teacher for his race. But at some point he's confronted by a follower who goes 'No, you're wrong, that's not what it says in the holy book, that you wrote'.

@dussan2 11 сағат бұрын

@@nvelsen1975 I remember that. I used to rag on that show but I watched every episode and I swear I can remember everyone of them to this day.

@donattorres5245 17 күн бұрын

Need me a girl who will love me as much as Stilgar loves Paul

@jlah3390 16 күн бұрын

Everybody needs an Stilgar

@jserna_teculutan8139 15 күн бұрын

I noticed how the younger fremen doubt the prophecy, while stilgar and the older fremen are hardcore believers.

@wormwoodbecomedelphinus4131 15 күн бұрын

Time erodes us. Sand-blasted and dried out: Fremens strength comes from within. For the young, it's idealism. For the old, there's only faith. Everyone else whom has given up, has either wandered into the dunes or already submitted themselves to the wells.

@impersonal6650 14 күн бұрын

The older they get, the more they get sick of the heat, the sand, the shortage of water.

@TheLasombra077 14 күн бұрын

And notice it’s mostly women…

@chisomo8088 12 күн бұрын

@@TheLasombra077mostly women who do what exactly?

@BrenoSobral71 10 күн бұрын

This only exists in the movie

@DualWieldedEggrolls 16 күн бұрын

4:31 His hand gestures just make funnier than it should be. “As Written” 😂

@Myrkin 14 күн бұрын

"My mind has been blown.!"

@takakonobe 17 күн бұрын

Bro is a god tier actor.

@SirDailySuccesses 21 күн бұрын

As written!

@ripple1174 16 күн бұрын

By Frank Herbert Fedayakin

@seansmith9941 5 күн бұрын

⁠@@ripple1174published by Stilgar

@MrKnightslayer7 17 күн бұрын

Stilgar wasn't a fanatic, he constantly stated himself "If you are the" he knew their was always a risk of failure but if you prove yourself

@MrImastinker 16 күн бұрын

I'd say that's true in Act I. But in Act II and III, he absolutely falls into fanaticism as his beliefs are seemingly validated more and more.

@MrKnightslayer7 16 күн бұрын

@@MrImastinker But if you heard of a thousand year old or older culture/religion and noticed 1 guy was able to do selective tasks that few others of your own natural born culture could on top of being able to see potential futures! id start looking pretty real if you believe or not

@Prof.Pwnalot 15 күн бұрын

Heres a definition from the wiki: "Fanaticism is a result from multiple cultures interacting with one another" Stilgar is fanatical.

@MrImastinker 15 күн бұрын

@@MrKnightslayer7 Don't get me wrong, Paul is pulling off some pretty miraculous stuff. But at some point, Stilgar falls so deeply into his belief that he is *blindly* following Paul. Not straying from the path Paul has set, even for a moment. And any time a more reasonable person might have room for doubts, Stilgar instead will double down and insist that Muad'dib leads the way, and *that's that.* That's fanatical.

@s2wuolf508 15 күн бұрын

@@MrImastinker The water of life test was pretty crazy to witness and does mean the person holds tremendous power. Its always interesting because when the woman said "the mahdi must be fremen" in a way Leto II was part fremen and did in fact saved humanity

@samfilmkid 17 күн бұрын

Paul: "Punch yourself in the face." *Stilgar does so* Paul: "Doesn't that hurt you?" *Stilgar puts on a metal glove with spikes on the knuckles* Stilgar: "Do you want it to hurt me, Mahdi?"

@whoawhereami7435 15 күн бұрын

Lol 🍍

@wilburforce8046 20 күн бұрын

Does anyone notice he gets dirtier as his faith grows

@appleboyapostrophe 18 күн бұрын

What 💀

@Ghosy01 17 күн бұрын

ikr he is so sweaty by the end

@jaythekid4728 17 күн бұрын

Well they weren’t in the Sietches that often. So it’s safe to say they rarely took off the still suits when outside those areas.

@crysis_pyscho9386 17 күн бұрын

what is bro cooking

@Alex_Van 17 күн бұрын

As written

@Redgrave2442 15 күн бұрын

Because of Stilgar I treat every little action as something big and whenever someone achieves something I call them Lisan-Al Gaib

@nean3075 17 күн бұрын

I love the first scene. You feel really uncomfortable in the cinema when the Fremen in Sietch Tabr all shout at Paul and Jessica. Stilgar's expression is perfect here

@vond5829 16 күн бұрын

Stilgar - The ultimate hypeman. He hyped up a whole planet for Paul's ascension

@BIacklce 16 күн бұрын

He was fearless and crazier than him, he was his queen and God help anyone who dared to disrespect his queen

@shivalishankersharma1562 14 күн бұрын

He went from adopting duke Paul atreides to being adopted by the Lisan al gaib

@dylanhidalgo9132 17 күн бұрын

Technically, Paul can take the fremen back to his home planet where his house is originally from which has forests and oceans and say “there, the paradise you asked for is here.”

@somaticHuman 17 күн бұрын

👍👍👍 And there is no need for any golden path

@elithurofficial 17 күн бұрын

Now now, where would the need for plot be with that?! 😅@@somaticHuman

@CrazyMilkman27 17 күн бұрын

Why leave the most important/powerful planet in the universe?

@Iwanwahid1969 16 күн бұрын

@@CrazyMilkman27 This is the correct answer to that argument lmao, Arrakis are both vital for the survival and extinction of the human race. Those who control it control the fate of humanity as a whole.

@AgentMercer 16 күн бұрын

Instead, Jessica makes sure no Fremen sets foot on Caladan during Paul’s jihad

@oroboros88 17 күн бұрын

Ill watch anything with Javier in it, he elevates anything hes in, absolutely an actor who simply enjoys the craft. As soon as i heard his casting in the first movie i was ecstatic

@I_SuperHiro_I 14 күн бұрын

His look of genuine shock and warmth when Stilgar expresses concern is perfect.

@turbooo1000 14 күн бұрын

Stilgar, Lady Jessica, and Paul performance are top-notch

@marshall886 15 күн бұрын

in the book he was the one who expressed the most reservation about Paul. Exercising caution in considering taking on the responsibility of kinsman redeemer for Paul mother.

@113089Drummerboy 16 күн бұрын

Javier Bardem deserved a best supporting Oscar after playing Stilgar he was fantastic!

@kingjayburner 15 күн бұрын

God his character is so tragic, from being a strong calculated leader of the Fremen (they don’t just follow anybody), to a fanatic that has lost all sense of his prior identity

@bluemoppy1 16 күн бұрын

I kind of envy him, Imagine the joy he has. The one person who could bring everything hes ever dreamed of, to "reality". imagine how that must feel, what that does to a person. Euphoric, to say the least. akin to meeting your god I guess, not only meeting them but it being everything you thought x1000. Is it any wonder they became close.

@bigboi7817 14 күн бұрын

Please, please read dune messiah. It's the shortest dune book.

@sidharthcs2110 17 күн бұрын

Green paradise was in kaladan all along

@impersonal6650 14 күн бұрын

They are stacking water in underground wells, it shows how irrationally and desperately they believe in the savior who would bring them green paradise. They are so fucking done with the heat weather and sand.

@dr1o761 17 күн бұрын

Hands down the biggest glazer in cinema

@k.heidari5260 15 күн бұрын

Thanks for this edit! It sums up most of the parts that I like about the movie. No one better than Stilgar!

@KenjiMapes 17 күн бұрын

Lisan Al-Gaib

@apelincoln1616 15 күн бұрын

Zendaya has 2 faces in this movie Happy gf face Pissed off gf face

@suzanrosner9208 2 күн бұрын

thats all she has in any movie she is in

@ItsDioYourbestGirl 16 күн бұрын

Bro is definition of love at first glance 😂 😂 since in Dune part one when his eyes first saw him it started as written

@amathor4135 12 күн бұрын

Awesome Edit!

@hi1hi2hi 16 күн бұрын

Paul moves a finger, Stilgar - as written !

@Fondrom 15 күн бұрын

A performance so good you forget its Javier Bardem underneath the character

@tinyfish123 15 күн бұрын

Best hype man of all time!

@rockyaoki8929 17 күн бұрын

My favorite part: 7:48

@sirpepeofhousekek6741 15 күн бұрын

The way he says it is so funny.

@MrTrouserpants101 15 күн бұрын

the glazing is crazy

@evancodsworth2 10 күн бұрын

4:29 lmfao

@0981462 14 күн бұрын

Everytime stilgar showed up, people at my theater laughed loll

@davidtodd2104 14 күн бұрын

Wish I had a hype man like Stilgar in my life!!!

@kylethecroc93 13 күн бұрын

Man I love Stilgar

@srm8755 17 күн бұрын

Stilgar became Paul’s biggest hype man but at what cost

@sjcgill 5 күн бұрын

There is a moment in the books when Paul sees Stilgar go from friend, to believer... and it breaks his heart.

@wiinterflowers4277 8 күн бұрын

Javier Bardem was soooo damn good in this! Stilgar was easily my favorite character in the whole film!

@JuicedCazyD 2 күн бұрын

Stilgar: you are no messiah Stilgar in the next scene: Lisan al gaib😂

@Gala-yp8nx 15 күн бұрын

It wasn’t a prophecy, it was a user’s manual for manipulative psychopaths written by the Bene Gesserit.

@jota6917 12 күн бұрын

last scene when mua'adib says lead to paradise and stilgar reacts still gets to me

@mckdgz4994 16 күн бұрын

Is he the same actor who played as the Spanish Capt. Salazar in the movie Pirates of the Carribean ? 😅

@adilutomo 16 күн бұрын

Yup.. you got it right, he is. 🤣👍🏻

@mckdgz4994 16 күн бұрын

@@adilutomo thanks. .his dialogue in Dune has still its Spanish accent that made me remember him back as Capt. Salazar. 😅

@fellino8049 7 күн бұрын

Everytime Paul did something cool. Stilgar: As written🤯

@roshi346 21 күн бұрын

1:19

@somaticHuman 17 күн бұрын

In the final all Freemen, who had never seen spaceships in their entire life, climbed into the shuttles and...? ))))

@NateMcBrady 17 күн бұрын

Then it was the Great Jihad; They basically went out and put every single planet that would not comply to the sword EDIT: By comply, I mean recognize Paul as the new Emperor (more like Dictator) of the Imperium, since he could, if so chose intstruxt the Fremen to destroy the spice, making Arrakis unable to produce it, thus killing them all as without spice, humanity’s galactic empire collapses overnight

@JohnDoe-zl6qw 16 күн бұрын

@@NateMcBrady I think the point the original comment was making was how do Fremen, who've never piloted Imperial shuttlecraft and are wholly unfamiliar with their workings, suddenly gain the skill to do so.

@AgentMercer 16 күн бұрын

@@JohnDoe-zl6qw it doesn’t say it in the movie, but the spacing guild are piloting the ships, they are pretty much forced to because Paul will cut off the flow of spice if they don’t. Hopefully they expand more on the spacing guild in movie 3 because they have been shamefully absent

@JohnDoe-zl6qw 16 күн бұрын

@@AgentMercer Are they though? It's always been my impression the Guild highlighners drop you off in orbit. It's then up to you to fly your own ships down to the surface. The Guild is just the common carrier; preferring to remain neutral (or at least maintain the illusion of it), they don't like getting involved in surface conflicts or otherwise putting themselves in harm's way. Doing so would dance too dangerously close to embroiling them in local politics, which they avoid like the plague.

@NateMcBrady 16 күн бұрын

@@JohnDoe-zl6qw you’re forgetting Paul is threatening to DESTROY SPICE PRODUCTION. He’s holding a gun to everyone’s head.

@neo1343 16 күн бұрын

this was actually so funny

@alphagerudo6242 12 сағат бұрын

3:00 I love this haha I screenshotted this moment hes the homie!

@braxtonbobo4004 15 күн бұрын

Everyone needs a Stilgar in their life

@felixcontreras4451 15 күн бұрын

Stillgar representa el deseo, de que nuestra fe sea al fin recompensada.

@unowno123 15 күн бұрын

say what you will but stilgar got the best life out of all of them everyone else loses almost everything and stilgar gets his lifelong dream fufilled, and he sees it develop right from the beginning, being there the entire way through and believing from the beginning everyone would like to live stilgars life i think

@inquiry6274 Күн бұрын

Javier bardem really managed to capture the fever of Jihad well. The only thing missing from the movies is the phrase jihad. would have been 10% better if they actually used the term as in the books.

@nileredsexperiment834 6 күн бұрын

3:06 Lmao this face always makes me laugh

@harshitprasad1064 Күн бұрын

"Now you are our brother... Hm, Paul Muad'dib Usul... OOiii"

@calebinglis1084 3 күн бұрын

He a fan, he a fan, he a fan

@AfroMan187 11 күн бұрын

"Holy Poison" , what a concept

@Freecomments4u 7 күн бұрын

The end of the movie "go poke them dudes up"

@dondraper3871 6 күн бұрын

4.20 underrated, hilarious moment where someone denying their prophethood ironically confirms their status as Prophet because of their humbleness. Bulletproof prophecy level 💯

@Twenty-Seven Күн бұрын

I've seen a lot of snobs having a problem with Stilgar being so fanatical and less serious and more comical in this movie. I thought it was perfect. The humor wasn't some wacky Taika Waititi humor, it was timed immaculately, and was just barely there -- enough to get some chuckles. I thought it added a whole new layer of relief to a deadly serious story 🤌

@methaphisic 15 күн бұрын

I really need a sketch with stilgar being ‘Stan’ from the Eminem video.

@andrewcombe8907 15 күн бұрын

Stilgar was Peter the Apostle.

@MikMoen 13 күн бұрын

So basically at the end, Arrakis declares War on the other Houses thus leading to Paul's vision of billions of dead across the Empire?

@atomicgamez445 8 күн бұрын

Correct, the holy war

@erichickman2310 11 күн бұрын

Thus did the Freman pave the Golden Path with the blood of the universe.

@Lieutenant_Volkov 14 күн бұрын

*Lisan al-Gaib!*

@samuelcocar7109 17 күн бұрын

What is Chakobsa for Stilgar did you spend all night making these Muaddib banners yourself?

@galihjati443 4 күн бұрын

imagine how stilgar feel on children of dune

@pruebasdejuegos 2 күн бұрын

"una religion de guerreros que portan en entardante atreides "

@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an 15 күн бұрын

He's just a silly little guy

@9f81rsd00 15 күн бұрын

Every like I get is one more time Stilgar says, "Lisan al gaib!" 👇

@Lord.Dakshinamurthy 2 күн бұрын

Nanndhi is my most loyal and favourite disciple :)🔱

@Sajasta 15 күн бұрын

A certain legend in the youtube comment about similar videos like this one once said something along the line of: "Watch out Irulan, you're going to have a competition. And I'm not talking about Chani." Also, I just noticed this but between the arguing Fremen groups, the Southern Fremens like Stilgar and his compatriots seems older than the Northern Fremens like Chani and her friends. What do you guys think?

@Brandon-bc1fz 9 күн бұрын

The shot of the Fremen loading onto ships to execute the jihad is one of the most unnerving things to witness. If you're someone who is unfamiliar with the source material you have no clue what implications this has for the rest if the universe.

@jossdecapia9785 12 күн бұрын

Wonka Al-Gaib!!! 🤘

@CDRZee 6 күн бұрын

It’s interesting that the Great Houses refuses to bow down and prefer war instead. There is no need for bloodshed. Just refuse to trade spices with them and they will fall or rather their own people will rise up and overthrown these regimes due to no spice. Of course, this is Hollywood. Need to make that trilogy!

@gimpinainteasy 13 күн бұрын

Morpheus of the sand.

@Elldav777 15 күн бұрын

I'm just glad chani isn't 6 years old :)

@GustavoSilva-ny8jc 15 күн бұрын

You mean Hype man

@jeanbennett9389 Күн бұрын

If Danny doesn’t continue what he’s started with these first two movies I shall be deeply disappointed

@jeanbennett9389 Күн бұрын

Sci fi got it close but cut the undertones out. Danny with his direction maintains those but makes it impactful in the proper way

@ddeimos 2 күн бұрын

Let's be honest we are all Stilgars😅

@alakoz 14 күн бұрын

Lisan Al-Gaib! Lisan Al-Gaib! Lisan Al-Gaib!

@mistaowickkuh6249 3 күн бұрын

Something something love story, better than twilight.

@johnnymaximum3828 6 күн бұрын

Anton Chigurh was the best thing about this movie

@soulbasedliving 15 күн бұрын

As Written

@robluxipiech4033 14 күн бұрын

Stilgar is without a doubt in my top five fave characters. Duncan, stilgar, miles teg, darwi odrade, leto ll. Stilgar is the quintessential poster soldier for reasons religious zealotry can cripple any logically built society and those religious zealots that do foght, they will die jo matter how terribly doing so with a smile as all else and their victims dies screaming. Pauls jihad killed many billions of people. Hundreds of millions of men, women and children died.. entire planet were practically scrubbed of all non believers. To deny muhadib was to beg for death. Even later in the books when leto ll takes over, pauls effect would literally echo for thousands and thousands if not millions of years. Pauls refusal to complete the task and sujugate humanity with such absolute terror and tyranny that they would never, as a fact of genetic hatred towards tyrants, allow a aingle person no matter they are a god or not, dictate the will of many billlions of people. Pauls influence led to the great scattering, humanity in all its forms, creeds and factions all the way to the farmer and his children ventured out into the stars, never more would humanitya destiny be under the scrutiny and decisions of one being. With this new found freedom in the original six books, there were ultimately unforseen consequences, the reasons being numerous but essentially factors and data outside the knowledge and calculations of the combined sum of a gargantuan amount of brilliant nind xouod bot poaaibly fathom what would in finality be humanities greatest foe whixh i wont spoil here.

@palanides5081 16 күн бұрын

Imagine next comming of Jesus. The walking on watter - hoax, turning watter into wine - CGI, curing the sick - fake news. What would he needed to do to convince ALL of us that he is the ONE? And if you believe and said it - are you fanatic? Or just hopefull that the prophecy came thru and he will deliver us to paradise? Great film, one of the best. Love the scenes with Stilgar,he deserve Oscar.

@Erikslayerus 21 күн бұрын

do u monetize ur videos?

@crysknighted 21 күн бұрын

Nope

@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 19 күн бұрын

He needs 28,650 subs more to do so.

@EyeofValor 17 күн бұрын

The question was asked because ads play. KZfaq puts ads on non monetized videos because they are scum.

@galahad626 12 күн бұрын

i mean is it really a false prophecy if made by simi prescient space witches

@phillipboone2005 Күн бұрын

Will the Dallas Cowboys make it to the Superbowl? There are signs, Im willing to stake my life on it.

@terenfro1975 16 күн бұрын

KZfaq fan boy.

@somaticHuman 17 күн бұрын

Can anybody tell me what the difference between Lisan Al-Gaib and Kwisatz Haderach?

@destiny4353 17 күн бұрын

If my understanding is correct, “Kwisatz Haderach” is what the Bene Gesserit have been working towards for thousands of years through selective breeding. The Kwisatz Haderach is a man born of a Bene Gesserit mother who would be able to be trained in the Bene Gesserit ways and whose mind could withstand the process of drinking the spice, converting the poison so they did not die, and unlocking both the female and male lineage memories of their ancestors (the female Bene Geserate could only unlock the female memories, and all men except the K.H. Would die in the attempt). The Lisa’s Al-Gaib (translation “a voice from the outer world”) is a Fremmen legend in which an outsider would come to live with the Fremmen, learn their ways, ride the largest sand worm, and whose mother would be a reverend mother (holy woman). The Lisan Al-Gaib is prophesied to lead the Fremmen to victory against their oppressors and transform the desert planet into a green paradise (“terraforming”) The two things aren’t necessarily connected - just sort of work out to be decided by everyone to be Paul since he matches both descriptions. He doesn’t necessarily believe in the Fremmen L.A.G., but Stilgar devoutly believes, and it ends up working out for Paul’s goals to assume the role

@nationalsocialism3504 17 күн бұрын

@destiny4353 your understanding is incorrect in that they are intimately linked... Paul is a Kwistaz Haderach which by definition makes him the Lisan Al-Gaib. The Bene Gesserit manufactured a "prophecy" like the Lisan Al-Gaib on every of the million worlds in the Imperium since they didn't know where their breeding experiment would bear fruit when they started 10,000 years ago. The Harroken bloodline being the best prospect for fulfilling that goal only was focused on in the previous few centuries with Arrakis being the world that the Kwistaz Haderach was supposed to emerge on. The Kwistaz Haderach emerging on any other world would have fulfilled the prophecy manufactured for that worlds culture. I'm not saying that the Bene Gesserit plan would have worked even without Jessica running it off a cliff... but they did have a plan & it was tailored to keeping stability within the Imperium. The Kwistaz Haderach would do whatever he wanted from that point & the Chief Navigator talked long shit to the Mother Superior about the Bene Gesserit creating a Kwistaz Haderach. The Navigator Guild already having done so millennia ago using spice in a forced evolution but they almost immediately realized their mistake & killed the Kwistaz Haderach they created before he could escape containment.

@nationalsocialism3504 17 күн бұрын

They are the same... being a Kwistaz Haderach makes Paul the Lisan Al-Gaib on Arrakis. If Paul reached apotheosis and became a god on any other planet... then he would have fulfilled a different prophecy & had a different name for being their Messiah, but every world has a Bene Gesserit manufactured religion for a Kwistaz Haderach to fulfill as its Messiah.

@destiny4353 17 күн бұрын

@@nationalsocialism3504 isn’t that sort of the whole point the author was trying to make? Paul was “bred” to be the K.H. By the Bene Gesserit. It was a goal they were actively working on to further their own means. They wanted to gain control of the universe by having their own male trained in their ways rise through the ranks. The Bene Gesserit had no interest in helping the fremen. They DID also plant seeds of religious prophesy thousands of years ago on different planners in the hopes it would further their own means, but they had no control over how the legends would ultimately evolve in the planets. And the author was making a point that Paul is NOT inherently the Fremen LAG (too much work to check my spelling each time lol). He IS the KH though and therefore is powerful enough to fulfill the “prophesies” of the LAG. He and his mother choose* to go down that path. TLDR: the LAG prophesy was planted. Paul is the KH and there happened to be a conveniently planted prophesy that he also happens to fit into (by design and by choice). They aren’t the “same thing,” but they both end up being Paul.

@destiny4353 17 күн бұрын

@@nationalsocialism3504 isn’t that sort of the whole point the author was trying to make? Paul was “bred” to be the K.H. By the Bene Gesserit. It was a goal they were actively working on to further their own means. They wanted to gain control of the universe by having their own male trained in their ways rise through the ranks. The Bene Gesserit had no interest in helping the Fremen. They DID also plant seeds of religious prophesy thousands of years ago on different planets in the hopes it would further their own means, but they had no control over how the legends would ultimately evolve in the planets. And the author was making a point that Paul is NOT inherently the Fremen LAG (too much work to check my spelling each time lol). He IS the KH though and therefore is powerful enough to fulfill the “prophesies” of the LAG. He and his mother choose* to go down that path. TLDR: the LAG prophesy was planted. Paul is the KH and there happened to be a conveniently planted prophesy that he also happens to fit into (by design and by choice). They aren’t the “same thing,” but they both end up being Paul. I don’t mean I am correct; I mean the author intentionally leaves it up in the air for discussion and a cautionary tale of putting blind faith into a “hero.”