Ya never l cared for chalamet, but that scene in the south when he spoke to the leaders was amazing. He killed that scene.
@kabirmerali2 ай бұрын
100
@drewmorrison2 ай бұрын
Wonder if Momoa coached him on it. He brought out some Khal Drogo out of him. It was great!
@TheGargalon2 ай бұрын
@@drewmorrison The language sounded very similar to the dothraki one. Not an expert or anything, I just kept thinking that in the cinema.
@harmanjotsingh75542 ай бұрын
wanted to fight for him after that scene lol 😂
@jonathanshields74142 ай бұрын
It reminded me of the pivotal moments of Anakin decending into Vader/the darkside. But truly awesome all the same.
@rig-zag2 ай бұрын
My favorite quote from Denis Villeneuve about the first movie being released straight to HBOMAX was "Watching this on a regular TV screen is like buying a speed boat and running it in a bathtub." This movie demands to be seen on the largest screen possible.
@robo2000nitro2 ай бұрын
It was a shame the first one released mainly through HBOMAX and when watching it through there I knew I had missed out on something special. However, I have seen the 2nd part in cinemas and it is immense. It would be a great disrespect to everyone involved and the art of film itself to watch this anywhere else other than a cinema.
@ScrewyDriverTheMan2 ай бұрын
That is a crock of sh1t and a PR pitch and nothing more. I just watched it on the biggest screen in town, and the poor visual quality was so obvious everything looked fake. It looked AWFUL on the big screen. The scale-model town looked like toys, as did the spice harvesters and the buzzing copters, as well the Harkonnen military lined up like North Korea, and the fans in the stands, all looked completely cheap and FAKE. For them to have all the TECH, NOW, in this day and age, with all the money and skill in the world, for it look this poor and sparse in set designs and graphics, makes Lynch's version 100% better for what they managed to achieve back 40, count them, FORTY YEARS AGO!!!!! And with a better story and execution of drama and intent, no less!!!! Den Evil Nerf has no idea how to actually tell a SCREEN STORY. There is no drama to any of it, no tension, no suspense, everything just SORT OF HAPPENS AND MOVES ALONG, it's an absolute bore to watch, as it does not engage the viewer, and with the poor visuals and unnecessarily loud sound effects to try to distract you with music that does nothing to heighten the drama and tension, the music was truly just "background" music that thad no real purpose than to just be there to as a TV PERFUME COMMERCIAL type of music. I wish somebody would wake up and watch how real movies were made back in the day, for CINEMA, not this garbage
*SPOILER ALERT* On the 2D screen, the visuals work. The timeline in the books is years, the movie 6 months. The focus on the Bene Gesserit is being set up for the HBO Bene Gesserit series they are creating to let YOU know the "true potential" of "women". Not humanity as a whole, just women. /got misandry? The Fremen in the books are thoughtful, traditional, disciplined. Denis made them overly fanatical to a point of stupid. Paul said he has seen all timelines and in only one do we succeed, so you would think that would be enough for them to agree to the course to be done with the oppressive empire. No prophecy fervor run up with Chani having a resting bitch face, internal temper tantrum of confusion needed. The baby talking is creative to give another layer of consciousness to the witches. /HBO series While killing Rabban, Gurney should have said, "This is for my Sister." because if you had read the books, prequels/sequels, you would know the greater seat too his anguish. It would have instigated curiosity for people to know more...just sayin'. The atomics were not atomics, just some tomahawk missiles with a heavy payload. The movie does touch on the epigenetics of creation, which is always refreshing, however, then it has to go and do stupid to void the realization. However, maybe that is just pointing out how stupid humans have become in the lust for greed/gluttony/power/relevancy nonsense. The pacing was off, the jumble of events to bring a human "feel" and then in the next scene akin to the second playmate scene in Apocalypse Now Redux version. /Misanthropy /Newton's third law, I guess A visual treat, loud dramatic music, if you have read the original Dune only once, enjoy the movie. If you have read all 20+ books, prequels/sequels 6x each, take it with a grain of salt, they tried. Christopher Walken was the wrong choice for emperor. David Bautiste needs more acting lessons. More Baron Harkonnen dialogue as to just how devious/genius he is/was. Agreed, the "atomics" scene run up was unnecessarily long. Bringing in Lady Fenring for Book 1...another set up for HBO. *SPOILER* Paul/Leto II/Miles Teg are not the Qwizats Haderach. That goes to Duncan Idaho. Read the books!
@thomaswijgerse723Ай бұрын
This wasn't explained explicitly in the films, but in the books its explained how Leto's gas ampule killed all of the harkonnen senior staff and strategists, resulting in their more erratic decisions in the second film.
@joshuafischer684Ай бұрын
It was a mistake to completely remove Thufir Hawat from the narrative. It can be inferred that Hawat subtly steered Harkonnen strategy in less-than-perfect directions, allowing the Fremen to capitalize on small vulnerabilities.
@zakoid1Ай бұрын
Having never read the books and only just watched the film little bits of info like this help a brother out when trying to make sense of stuff 😂
@flynnt7721 күн бұрын
The absence of Thufir Hawat and Alia Atreides was quite noticeable to folks who have read the novels. Alia was 4 years old when Paul defeated the Emperor, and it was actually her who killed Baron Harkonnen with a gom jabbar, scared 7 colors of shite out of Gaius Helen by invading her mind, then she ran off and started knifing wounded saudakar on the battlefield until someone rounded her up and brought her to Paul. People were afraid of Paul, but were absolutely terrified of Alia's little sociopathic ass. She was born a Reverend Mother due to Jessica drinking the Water of Life while pregnant, which turned Alia into a complete monster. I hope they focus more on her sadistic personality in the next film, because she has an absolutely critical role in the remaining arc.
@overtblowfish443911 күн бұрын
Yes and how it crippled the baron I was wondering how they got rid of him so easily until I remembered that
@carlduzett2 ай бұрын
Surprised you didn't mention Javier Bardem, whose performance as Stilgar I think carried much of the first half of this movie
@colin2utubeАй бұрын
Loved that scene where Paul says he ISN'T the messiah, and Stilgar tells his men "Only the true messiah would be so humble to deny he's the messiah". Was a "Life Of Brian" moment, and perfect portrayal of what its like arguing with a convinced theist !
@Narutofan825Ай бұрын
@@colin2utubeit sucks
@StudleyDuderightАй бұрын
@@colin2utube I take it you haven't read the novels?
@colin2utubeАй бұрын
@@StudleyDuderight Just the first, but Javier Bardem played that line perfectly :)
@StudleyDuderightАй бұрын
@@colin2utube I stupidly assumed you would intuitively understand I was calling out your comparison between Dune and Life of Brian. Brian is not a messiah, Paul is. Stilgar knows it to be true, even when Paul doubts himself. Even the reader/viewer knows Paul is going to become the Kwisatz Haderach(one who sees both past and future at the same time). I also did not appreciate that theist remark. You're entitled to your opinion, but you don't have to be so condescending about it.
@MSMW232 ай бұрын
What I love about the book is that it was rejected 23 times by all the major publishing houses, until a publisher that mainly dealt with automotive manuals took it on. Now we have this, a stunning movie and what seems an equally stunning sequal, and a book that is one of the most successful sci-fi book of all time. If you stick to the source material, you really can't go wrong, something most modern movie makers can't seem to grasp.
@writerpatrick2 ай бұрын
much of the time good books get rejected because the publisher doesn't have space for it.
@peterg97292 ай бұрын
It was rejected for being one of the most turgid stories ever set to print. A tiny handful of extreme fanbois love it. Most people who start never finish it. And for good reason.
@alanguiney21332 ай бұрын
@@peterg9729 must be the reason it's one of the most famous sci-fi novels ever written with multiple sequels and been adapted into 3 movies and several iconic computer games.
@nathantudor57632 ай бұрын
@@peterg9729ah yes. That’s why it’s so popular and well know, with several screen adaptations, because only a handful of people have actually read it. Good one
@carlkligerman19812 ай бұрын
Amen
@ilmostro162 ай бұрын
The reason the Harkonnen’s seem inept is because they believe there were only 50K Fremen at most, and also that Paul and his mother were dead. They became complacent believing to have won the day so to speak. So the Baron gave management duty of Arrakis to Rabban, who is brutal but incompetent. Because of his fear of disappointing his uncle the Baron, and the Baron’s wrath, Rabban hid his failure to control Arrakis from the Baron until things were already out of control. So it’s a combination of Harkonnen top down leadership structure which doesn’t question the top dog (in this case everyone under Rabban feared him so they mostly kept quiet) and Rabban’s incompetence. If Feyd were to manage Arrakis from the start, things might have been more difficult for Paul and the Fremen.
@tigerblue422 ай бұрын
Good points !
@zenaslloyd50742 ай бұрын
Thanks for clarifying 👍
@antoniobrown2472 ай бұрын
Your comment and another explaining why the Harkonnen's was inept needs to be pinned or give hundreds of likes. So many people didn't understand which just blow my mind.
@jamesleon48832 ай бұрын
Their mentat is dead as well.
@danielawesome362 ай бұрын
@@jamesleon4883 I think Thufir became their new mentat... Shame he was cut from the film.
@shaunharris8143Ай бұрын
Austin Butler looks like he's gonna steal your luggage at the airport.
@noahartis137728 күн бұрын
I understood that reference 🤣
@ApocDevTeam20 күн бұрын
Luggage owners fear the budget Matt Damon
@ioogy2 ай бұрын
Not only does there HAVE to be a sequel, but an extended directors cut on release will probably include a lot of the extra stuff that the movie obviously needs. We can only hope~
@snakedogman2 ай бұрын
I would love to see extended cuts for all two/three movies at some point, just like LotR. Although I haven't really gotten the sense from Villeneuve that he considers this. It seems to me that the theatrical cuts are how he intends them. But here's hoping. They obviously must have written and filmed a lot more stuff. Things always get cut so who knows.
@David-rk1fv2 ай бұрын
I felt the movie was lacking like 1/3 of what it needed to say. I was slightly disappointed to be honest.
@nurplepain36362 ай бұрын
Unfortunately Denis does not believe in Director's Cuts. We will most likely never see any more footage. Too bad because they filmed Count Fenring scenes and cut them to keep the focus on the Bene Gesserit
@humbleopulence2 ай бұрын
@@nurplepain3636great, so we waited forty years just to have another Alan Smithee job, only this time the director was in on it. Oh well ... Talk to me in another forty years when the deleted scenes finally get released and Spicediver's Son Awakens from his Sleep.
@w92viking642 ай бұрын
Deleted scenes can’t fix this, too much has changed they would have to replace most of the movie
@ryanh93882 ай бұрын
The Harkonens are supposed to lose their calculating and strategic powers because Leto killed most of their brain power in the first movie. It is one of the bits that is supposed to have long term consequences.
@gunkulator12 ай бұрын
Specifically they lose their Mentat. In a universe where computing machinery of any sort is punishable by unrelenting jihad, human beings must be specially trained up to fill that role. When the Harkonens lose theirs, they are at a distinct disadvantage.
@Norbingel2 ай бұрын
Yes. Such an important detail they failed to show in the first film. Hopefully, they rectify it in the second.
@Moredhel832 ай бұрын
@@gunkulator1 they can get a copy of Piter from the Tleilax, right?
@mnomadvfx2 ай бұрын
No, just no. That's how it worked in the David Lynch movie, because that movie portrayed the baron as a mewling idiot barely above his nephew Rabban in IQ. The actual Baron Vladimir Harkonnen of the novel was an EXTREMELY intelligent man who was intent on sneaking up on the throne little by little before basically buying it with profits from spice mining on Arrakis. That's not to say that Pieter's death wasn't a loss, but he was hopelessly addicted to a drug and thus compromised already as a mentat, much as Yueh was as a doctor. The Baron hoped to replace Pieter with the captive Thufir Hawat - but Thufir just spent his time turning Feyd against his uncle instead.
@patrickd95512 ай бұрын
I always found that part of the story implausible. Each and every of the great houses should easily have been able to employ multiple mentats. Especially the Harkonens as they were filthy rich from mining Arakkis for 80 years. Yes I know mentats are supposed to be rare in the Dune universe, but they appear plentiful at court and employed by the many rich. Surely the baron could afford to force two or three to work for him.
@mausvr77522 ай бұрын
That 'unnecessary scene' when they're looking at the place where the atomics are kept was brilliant storytelling. It told you so much without exposition - It showed a mundane scene of how they all chatter amongst each other, something lacking in most movies. It shows how the characters of different backgrounds think of each other, how they think differently strategically, how they speak and interact with each other, and it tells the viewer that they bicker and laugh just like all of us. Mundane scenes are human moments, and it is refreshing to be seen in modern day blockbusters.
@xenn49852 ай бұрын
Not even just the bickering being funny, it was actively conveying information.
@Tman0011002 ай бұрын
What was odd was is that they don't explain how he moved the atomics without notice in such a short time. Granted, it's how the shield wall was initially broken in earlier Dune adaptation versions, as well.
@xenn49852 ай бұрын
@@Tman001100 he didnt move the atomics. They launched them from where they found them.
@Sam_T20002 ай бұрын
as I recall, the sequence went like this: -Gurney says “I know where the atomics are.” -Paul explains the arsenal to Chani in their tent. -they observe the cave from afar and make some jokes. -they go into the cave and open the vault… how it could’ve gone, to quicken the pace without losing any information or tone: -Gurney says he knows where the atomics are at. -cut to funny binoculars scene. -Gurney and/or Paul explain the nukes to the others as they enter the cave and vault, ending with some pensive looks on Paul and Chani’s faces.
@Tman0011002 ай бұрын
@@xenn4985 I meant with how they got there in the first place with Duke Leto, not after Gurney n Paul found them
@cyclistman63582 ай бұрын
As a huge fan of Lynch’s Dune, despite its well documented flaws and story liberties. I must say that having seen both of the new Dune films in IMAX. I’m impressed and at the same time perplexed with DV’s vision of Dune. As with most great films, the more I watch the more I understand, accept and embrace it. Looking forward to the 4k release of Part Two so I can really let it sink in with multiple viewings. I can only imagine what Lynch’s Dune would have been if the studio would have not interfered and forced him to make a condensed shortened version. He originally wanted and needed multiple films but was denied by the studio. DV was very fortunate to have the studio back his vision and gave him license to make the film he wanted to. I’m just glad we got at least one Dune film from Lynch. I think it’s a cinematic masterpiece like no other sci-fi movie of its era. It’s unfortunate that’s it’s so often ridiculed by some. “The Sleeper has awoken!”
@rickdeckardbladerunner20492 ай бұрын
The spice diver fan edit on youtube of the Lynch film is more impressive than this new Dune. The depiction of Chani is so cringe in the two new films by DV. At least we have the classic Lynch version, a true masterpiece that Frank Herbert loved.
@bonedoc455627 күн бұрын
Yeah that spice diver is good. The extended edition of 84 Dune is good too. Covers a lot more. Supposedly Patrick Stewart owns the complete film at around 5 hours long. I'm sure it jumps all over with cutting room pieces and isn't edited, if it exists at all and isn't just rumor.
@MoveOverLady17 күн бұрын
Late to the party but I just watched it. Enemies are actually threatening. Every plot point has major stakes for the galaxy. 9/10. Cinema can still be incredible when there’s no messaging
@docproc1442 ай бұрын
Watched the first movie this past weekend with my grandfather, who was big into the novel and the 80s movie. I knew nothing about the lore of Dune because I hadn’t read the book so I went in with no expectations. I loved it, but my grandfather loved it more than I did. He actually got visibly excited at seeing the ships and the explosions and stuff. He would jump up and point at the screen saying, “THIS is how it was said to look in the books! This is how it is supposed to be! Back then they just didn’t have the technology to make it look right on film.” And at the end he was like, “Holy shit they just did the first half of the book! Part 2 is gonna be the second half of the book where he rides the worms and shit!” It was one of the best film experiences I’d had in a long time, and memories like that with family stick with you forever. So needless to say, I’ll definitely be going to see Dune Part 2, might even ask my grandfather if he wants to go. Hopefully it holds up to the first part.
@kooijbas2 ай бұрын
That was nice to read. Hope he goes with you to the theater.
@benhmn2 ай бұрын
I mean...you BETTER ask your grandpa if he wants to go if he's such a big fan.
@chrismalinowski6542 ай бұрын
Part 2 is even better
@docproc1442 ай бұрын
@@benhmn Yeah, I’ll for sure ask him, but he’s a big fan of movies being on streaming services so he doesn’t have to get out and fight the crowds in theatres. I like experiencing a movie in a theatre but I don’t think he does. He prefers to just let them come out on a streaming service and watch them at home in his recliner lol. He’s a truck driver and he drives like 700 miles everyday, so whenever he’s at home he doesn’t like to get out unless he has to.
@benhmn2 ай бұрын
@@docproc144 Oh ok. I see what he's saying, but you need to trust me on this one. Ask him to make an exception for this movie. This is the best theater experience ever created. He deserves to see a novel he loves on IMAX.
@DJ_Wolfy52 ай бұрын
You know it's good when the drinker does not want to spoil the movie.
@zachanator20112 ай бұрын
He still did though
@ConnorMcCartney952 ай бұрын
He does it on every review normally when it's just came out and on his drinker recommends videos.
@shoafdude2 ай бұрын
Dune is one of the most popular sci-fi books, if not THE most popular. So a lot of people probably know the plot.
@BolinFoto2 ай бұрын
Because there is nothing to spoil. Paul says four words and then we get several minutes of dolly shots of sand blowing around. Then there is a fremen or two shouting Lisan al Gaib and again silent long dolly shots of sand blowing around. Then we get 45 sec of some Walken and the movie ends with dolly shots of sand blowing in the wind. The end... So there isn't much to spoil.
@DJ_Wolfy52 ай бұрын
@@shoafdude True. (It was a good movie.)
@todddonaldson79742 ай бұрын
The Chani/Paul relationship never landed for me. She barely ever smiles at him. Most of the time she gives him a disapproving look or a look like she just smelled a fart. Imagine if Paul were more of a "bro". "Paul, what is your Fremen name" Paul: "Thumper! Am I right Chani?" (raising hand for high five)
@futuza2 ай бұрын
It's also weird to see them frame Paul's marriage to the Emperor's Daughter (Princess Irulan) as a betrayal, when in the books, this is clearly done for political purposes and to prevent the holy wars from occurring - and Paul remains faithful to Chani. This adaptation changes a lot, and I still like it, but its definitely not very faithful to the characters or original book.
@mementomori292312 ай бұрын
Yes I didn’t care for Chani mich.
@aaaamxr2 ай бұрын
Chani's role was butchered imo. Denis made her defy Paul to make it obvious to the watchers that Paul is the bad guy but that assassinates her actual character in the book of supporting Paul till the end. Not to mention, I don't feel the chemistry either. She does have this snobby look on her all the time.
@Valen-mh9fh2 ай бұрын
She tends to have a sanctimonious holier than thou look most of the time. 😂
@jurisprudens26972 ай бұрын
Even this movie felt obliged to insert an angry boss girl
@loz33623 күн бұрын
I love movies that don’t spoon feed you every detail of what is going on and the repercussions of peoples actions, instead making you work it out as the film goes on until you’ve put the jigsaw together
@philomathist68992 ай бұрын
Power corrupts is wrong. “Power draws the corruptible, and absolute power draws the absolutely corruptible” -one of the Dune books
@aaronvt99802 ай бұрын
All men are corruptible.
@dawnfire822 ай бұрын
Can't be proven one way or the other. Was it a good person ruined by the temptation? Or were they only pretending to be a good person until they got the power? Without infallible mind-reading powers, there's no way to tell.
@kalmac62552 ай бұрын
Yes!!! This!!!
@dretchlord8732 ай бұрын
@@dawnfire82 Power doesn't corrupt. It enables. If you fall to it then you're weak
@jameslincs2 ай бұрын
Weakness corrupts
@SMJSmoK2 ай бұрын
6:16 - Harkonnens seem so incompetent now because, well, they are. Most of their tactical genius was because of Piter, the twisted Mentat. He provided the smart stuff and they provided the violence and cruelty, and this combination was very effective. This was also why the baron kept him around even though he disliked him personally. When they lost him, all they had left was the brutish cruelty, and that's not enough to win wars.
@bilbobagend81552 ай бұрын
There's so much they cut from the book, I honestly wish this adaptation was a tetralogy (including Messiah as the fourth movie). There is more than enough content in the book for it.
@AndreasKurz2 ай бұрын
yeah, thats it. They are good with violence and manipulation of noble houses. But they are no tacticians.
@CallinicusHu2 ай бұрын
The Baron Vladimir Harkonnen is, he is a super genius. What was left out that in the book he intentionally throw Rabban under the rug, because he was horny for Feyd and wanted him to take over Arrakis as a hero after Rabban ruined everything. He underestimated the number of the fremen and he tought Paul is dead, but those were understandable mistakes there. But his character is very hard to tell faithfully - this was still the best adaptation so far - because his genius shows in nuance. Like that Leto had to use the poison tooth because unless he talks with a dying a men in the height of his perceived achievements the Baron would haver never approach anyone of possible danger to him carelessly.
@oroboros882 ай бұрын
In terms of overall combat rankings from what I've taken from the book it goes best to worst: Atriedes/BG trained fedaykin .1 Sarduakar .2 Untrained fedaykin .2.5 Atriedes .3(somewhat equal to current SK but not the old SK) Harkonnen .4
@eldritchsquirrel31382 ай бұрын
@@bilbobagend8155yeah they scaled back the mentats too much, human computers tweaking on an alien drug that mutates them, they mirror the spice use and the transforming power of it
@kalebbruwer2 ай бұрын
Chalamet played his role so much better than I expected. In the first movie it kinda looked like he was gonna be a wimp, but man, did he step up. And it fits the story perfectly. He evolved from a timid teenager hanging around in the background into a fierce leader, when tragedy struck and the situation called for it
@gazsarin2 ай бұрын
My main criticism is that the real importance of the spice is not mentioned more often throughout the film. It ends up losing importance, which means that the threat at the end of the film doesn't have such a big impact, at least for those who have never read the first book.
@lennynero635Ай бұрын
Something they did better in Lynch‘s version.
@ISAF_Ace2 ай бұрын
The Harkonens losing their edge is intentional. During the first film, Duke Leto kills the Harkonnen tacticians and mentats (hard to explain, but essentially living computers) with his poisoned breath. Without their seasoned tacticians who built them into such a force to be reckoned with, they end up having a steady decline in leadership which is exacerbated with the Sarrdukar leaving.
@jamessweet53412 ай бұрын
The mentats are the closest things to Paul's own prescient vision. His is organic, theirs is deductive. They can all but see future events.
@whitefang16572 ай бұрын
Also, the Harkonnens are fighting an enemy who can literally see the future.
@gergelykollar78332 ай бұрын
@@jamessweet5341Paul had been trained as a mentat from birth. He had the analyzing skills of a mentat, the intuition and influential skills of a Bene Gesserit and he could see the future. Pauls only problem is how to not reach a future where his jihad burns down the galaxy, he beat the Harkonnens and got the throne easily in every future he could see.
@jamessweet53412 ай бұрын
@@gergelykollar7833 He had the mentat training of course, but his prescience was not unleashed until he drank the spice essence. The Sleeper awoke.
@Kainlarsen2 ай бұрын
I wonder if they would have been able to destroy House Atreides without the Emperor's Sarrdukar? If so, then it would have been a phyrric victory at best.
@Crispybacon1632 ай бұрын
Harkonnens are brilliant but arrogant in the book, consistently overestimating their abilities and underestimating the people around them, their biggest mistake is not knowing how many fremen actually exist and massively underestimating them, and their power over the worms.
@dercooney2 ай бұрын
that's the one son. the baron rages at him when he tries to peddle that crap
@vezolf43132 ай бұрын
Lame movies with very bad construction
@hiighcalibre2 ай бұрын
Yeah the Harkonen believe that they have already won, the Atredies are defeated, they could never expect some 15 year old kid and his mom on 400 meter long worm to come nuke them.
@wesrm12 ай бұрын
Sounds like parallels to our own time and place.
@Kris-zb7uh2 ай бұрын
@@vezolf4313 lame attempt at trolling with zero IQ construction.
@frankhoppe18342 ай бұрын
I was completely overwhelmed by the lore when I saw the first adaption from 1984. I was screaming at my monitor, when I lost another silly harvester in the Dune strategy game. I was pround and felt like a badass when I could deploy my first Sardaukar Troops. The prophecy theme from 84 and the opening sequence with Virginia Madsen will forever be burnt in my mind. I love the story and the lore from Dune. And now, so many years later, I am completely blown away by the experience in the theater from part 1 and part 2. Let me tell you: You are commiting a serious crime when you watch Dune1/Dune2 the first time on a small ass TV with a whacky sound system. Go to the Cinema NOW and experience, what we have experienced!
@Albacksen2 ай бұрын
I feel like I'm on crazy pills. I certainly liked the spectacle of this movie. But I did not consider it faithful in anything but the broad strokes of the book. I respect Denis is talented, particularly when it comes to creating a visual feast. But I get the feeling that the minor niggles in his adaptions will grow overtime as people become less and less blinded by the amazing visuals.
@loganscott8142 ай бұрын
Why do you think it was unfaithful?
@tiberionblock10472 ай бұрын
@@loganscott814 Because it got most of the story wrong.
@Albacksen2 ай бұрын
@@loganscott814 Many important parts of the story was changed in ways that effect what is coming further down the line. And considering how long both movies were, I doubt it was only a case of "When you adapt things to the screen you have to cut some things out!". Besides, the things that bother me weren't matters of compression, it was things there was no particular reason to change. Or things that fundamentally change what a character is about, or re-frame actions to make some characters look better or worse. Those things, were specifically done because it was something Denis wanted to do for reasons I'm not even going to speculate on. The reason I'm being a bit cryptic is because I'm trying to talk around spoilers here for people who haven't read the books or seen the movie yet. But I'm sure book fans. And even Syfy Miniseries fans, know what I'm getting at. There's a pretty important event in the books/miniseries that is a big part of what drives Paul to fully embrace his "terrible purpose". That reason is changed. It involves a small time-skip. And the movies have countless little niggles like that, popular quotes, phrases, scenes and sometimes entire characters that are excised. (Count Fenring comes to mind.) Perhaps I would have loved it if I had never known what Dune was prior to seeing the movie. But all it did was make me want to re-watch the miniseries, despite its abysmal effects. I have finally become boomer. Destroyer of enjoyment.
@mrgalaxy396Ай бұрын
I only started to read the books, but even I got the impression the books probably told a better story than the movie. There's only so much you can fit into three hours after all. Still the movie itself was incredible as an IMAX experience and I'm looking forward to diving into the books and experience Dune as it was meant originally.
@brickman2718Ай бұрын
@@mrgalaxy396 i disagree, i think denis delivers the authors intentions more clearly than in the book, as the whole reason of Dune Messiah was to make amends for the unclear message and themes of the first book.
@davidmundy29062 ай бұрын
I'm almost 68, and read these books when I was a teenager. Great books and I'm glad to see someone that actually follows the books. Great to see hope to see the next movie.
@silversrayleigh89802 ай бұрын
your joking .. they most definitely DONT follow the books
@angryvaultguy2 ай бұрын
@@silversrayleigh8980 well 100 percent following the book is unrealistic, somethings that might work in a book will not work in a movie adaptation. Don't take it for granted it's the best they could've done with dune
@gilian25872 ай бұрын
@@angryvaultguy But is at least 20 percent too much to ask!?
@lemonacidrounds72932 ай бұрын
@@silversrayleigh8980 They don't follow the games either. Would've been awesome to see my favourite Ordos with their special unit Deviator. That's fine though I love the movies.
@Johnlindsey2892 ай бұрын
I grew up with the books since 13 and this delivered
@lukaszspychaj92102 ай бұрын
At certain points the music and sfx were so loud that my cinema seat started vibrating. I've never experienced anything like it, it was insane.
@jackanarchycr78262 ай бұрын
Same. I watched it with Isense at Odeon. Everything was shaking
@campbell4show2 ай бұрын
@jackanarchycr7826 Same here, was sitting right at the back and the speakers where right behind us lol.
@Jenkss2 ай бұрын
Ours too. It was awesome! Really added to the atmosphere.
@EIixir2 ай бұрын
Last time I had that was when Sauron was destroyed in Lord of the Rings. The reverb shook seats.
@LanoLourenco2 ай бұрын
Same with atmos! Damm it was awesome!!
@opedromagico2 ай бұрын
Watched it on iMAX and.. wow. The sound made my whole body vibrate. When someone used “the voice” I could felt it in my soul.
@4LekaАй бұрын
The best part was that the IMAX sounds are so good and clear that they didn't have to defean you with excessive volume.
@michaelathens9532 ай бұрын
I F-ing LOVED this movie; my brother and I went and saw it last Sunday and we might go see it again today. It's been a long time since I've seen a really great new movie in general but one that is not only great but I'm willing to go sit through it's 3 hour runtime a second time in theater is basically unheard of. All the actors really hit it out of the park on this one but the guy playing Feyd Rautha was fantastic; I love the way he kind of imitated Stellan Skarsgard's voice for that Harkonnen raspiness. That was a truly great touch in an overall truly great movie. I almost never recommend movies to my friends but I've been telling anyone who will listen they need to see this movie.
@lyalllupin87892 ай бұрын
Denis Villeneuve is one of those Directors whose movies you wanna see based on pure trust on the quality of his previous films.
@Lonovavir2 ай бұрын
Watch Arrival (2016).
@thesleeperhasawakened49162 ай бұрын
He is overrated all his movies are soulless and boring.
@PresidentKamalaHarris.2 ай бұрын
@@Lonovavirthat was really bad
@ScrewyDriverTheMan2 ай бұрын
I am the exact opposite. I think he makes movies for stupid simpletons with no education who don't understand CINEMATIC ART. He makes whatever the current market trends seem to want that helps him make money for the producers but movies that are, when compare to the great masters, nothing but long-form Chanel commercials that are not very good in the context of what we know to be great CINEMA, in the veins of Kurosawa, David Lean, Lucas, Spielberg, Fincher, Scott etc. Blade Runner 2049 and Arrival were absolute garbage. There's a reason why Den Evil Nerf and Scott has never sat down face to face to discuss the differences and why Scott wasn't really interested in doing a sequel, because the industry and the producers didn't want to face that backlash and embarrassment that Den Evil Nerf is not really good at his job and has no intelligence behind any of his films.
@lochlannach72 ай бұрын
@@PresidentKamalaHarris.You're so desperate for attention lol.
@yungtoolshed2512 ай бұрын
“Lead them to paradise” that line sent chills up my spine after all that had happened in the movie
@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi2 ай бұрын
if you haven't then I recommend reading the next book / 3rd movie to be "Dune Messiah".....The interstellar jihad in Paul's name kills like 65 billion people. Dune Messiah will highlight Herbert's quote "Charismatic leaders should come with warning labels. May be dangerous for your health"
@Tom-sd9jb2 ай бұрын
Messiah is going to veer off course big time. Dune part 2 was already sliding off the rails from the start.
@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi2 ай бұрын
@@Tom-sd9jb nonsense
@Tom-sd9jb2 ай бұрын
It was a great film - don't get me wrong, but it's made quite a big departure from the book(s) which left me disappointed and worried about the direction Messiah will be taken. This is coming from someone who thinks they shouldn't try to adapt it as a film (and who isn't overly impressed with Peter Jackson's LOTR).
@oliverfua49532 ай бұрын
I can kind of see where you’re coming from. I was quite surprised to see that lady Jessica was the one advocating for Paul to take up his religious mantle in the film, which is something that she was extremely cautious about in the book. She was even cautious about his relationship with chani at the moment. I loved the movie but this and other small details such as the religious divide between the ‘people of the north and people of the south’ I just couldn’t really see in the first book. I completely understand that it was used as a tool to convey the plot, but still. I think the first movie was more faithful to the book.
@PsychoticSmithАй бұрын
Went and saw it a second time last week and this movie has definitely grown on me. When Paul rides a sand worm for the first time was a classic scene in my eyes. It’s on par with Paul’s first real close encounter with a sand worm in the first film when he’s stand by the edge of that rock while the beast rises up and seems to rise up and speak to him before getting pulled away by a thumper. Both of these scenes in these movies are just so well done. I think the first film is a little bit better, but Part 2 is another awesome movie that I think carries the torch on just fine while managing to introduce new tones and vibes.
@Valarien7772 ай бұрын
Having now seen Part 1 & 2, stylistically and visually, Denis Villeneuve nailed the look of Dune, visuals are his forte, and the overall production was absolutely stunning. Having read all the Dune books, multiple times, I was a bit disappointed with the modern approach to both the dialogue and tone of some of the main characters, especially Paul and Chani, I know they're teenagers initially in the books at this time, but Paul was raised and groomed to be a planetary prince in the context of galactic struggle, and the lack of seriousness in tone and depth in the writing for these characters and their overall casualness felt off a lot of the time, their scenes often felt like watching a modern teen drama. And Jessica was very poorly misrepresented in Part 1, although she became more in line with her character in Part 2. Whatever you think of David Lynch's 1984 version of Dune (despite it's flaws I personally loved it), the overall tone of the acting and writing was more accurate to the books and to the tonal setting and stakes when compared to the original story in the books. Overall, Denis's version diverged far more from the books than I expected, although I felt it was an overall successful in the way that Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings was, diverging unnecessarily too far from the books, but essentially staying true in spirit and plot to the main story. Two of my biggest complaints are dramatically changing Jessica's and Chani's characters, which I can understand for dramatic tension purposes; but more so the almost entirely side stepping the cosmic aspects of The Spice in the story and bypassed the depth of the prescience experience itself, it showed a bit of the what, but not the reality of Paul becoming the Kwisatz Haderach; at least in Lynch's adaptation you felt the power of what he was becoming, in this version basically he took a nap and Chani slaps him afterward, it was easily the singularly most disappointing moment in the Part 2. The cosmic aspect in the Dune books is by far the deepest and most compelling part of the story Frank Herbert explores, and admittedly very hard to portray in on screen, but this was seriously anti-climatic. Denis's version does a good job with the political conflict, and a decent job with the moral conflict, but entirely the misses the transcendent, which otherwise may have made this a masterpiece. Overall the dialogue was too geared way too much towards the mundane and explained instead of showing. Otherwise, It is still in an incredibly impressive film, and despite many lore issues with the books, I do look forward to him taking on Dune Messiah/Children of Dune in Part 3, which I do hope gets made, and i can't wait to see Anna Taylor Joy as Alia, and Paul as the blind fallen messiah tragic figure The Preacher. Even more, I would absolutely love to see The God Emperor of Dune realized, but that's a bit akin to wanting to see The Silmarillion by Tolkien on film, that's simply too much to ask from the universe to have those great works done properly on film.
@Erick_Bloodaxe2 ай бұрын
The Harkonnes lost their mentat when Duke Leto used the poison, so yes they have lost some potential in terms of their tactical savvyness. Plus, if you go by the book, the Baron is purposefully leaving Raban on Arakis with bad orders and no support specifically to set up Feyd to take his place and be welcomed as a liberator by comparison. So, it may not be presented on screen as well, I don’t know yet, but it all still fits with how the story should unfold by the sound of it.
@frocat51632 ай бұрын
Also, the Sardaukar. Everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that the Harkonens were only able to retake Arakis because of the Sardaukar. With them gone and Paul leading the Fremen (shown repeatedly to be the Sardaukars' equals) to actually fight back rather than simply defend their holds and the project, it didn't matter who or what Baron Harkonen sent to hold Arakis.
@xentiment65812 ай бұрын
Its not communicated, but the even worse offender is Emperors army. They somehow managed to make a faction that seems even more useless and expendable than the modern stormtroopers.
@origami832 ай бұрын
@@xentiment6581 that closeup of scrawny chani killing those sardaukar immediately made me loose any and all respect i had for them.
@ArisPLteles2 ай бұрын
@@origami83As far as I remember Saudakars got problems dealing with Fremens during 2nd part of the book. I think they were a little bit phonies in terms of their fighting capabilities.
@origami832 ай бұрын
@@ArisPLteles Oh they did have problems with the fremen. Its just that this skinny girl doesnt convince me as a bad ass desert warrior.
@1234redwing2 ай бұрын
I'm kind of hoping they at least make a third movie, get into book two and finish Paul's story.
@judgeboony26952 ай бұрын
I'm hoping we get to _God-Emperor of Dune_ so then we can actually have a film adaptation of _God-Emperor of Dune_
@zzygyy2 ай бұрын
If the box office is good, perhaps
@titanomachy22172 ай бұрын
@@judgeboony2695 Yeah, Leto II ends up basically becoming the Messiah that Paul failed to be and transcends his humanity. I find the concept of the Golden Path intriguing, like I wonder if we could ever have sophisticated enough AI to predict the future and find the one path that will lead to mankind's assured survival in the long run. A definite first step would be establishing an interstellar empire, so all our eggs aren't in one basket, er, planet.
@PresidentKamalaHarris.2 ай бұрын
No we are good. That money can be used to help house people
@captaincool53872 ай бұрын
They are - when they green lit part 2 Messiah was also green lit.
@matthewlbrouwer2 ай бұрын
There's a lot to love about Dune II, but I feel Drinker is going a bit light on things that he would napalm in other films. Maybe it's an accurate depiction of source material, but the "sandworm express" by which the Fremen moved north and south with ease seemed cheesy to me. A lot of the fight logic "use the artillery on them, brilliant!" and magical fremen who can appear anywhere at whim to kill their enemies seems overly convenient. Again, in other films Drinker would point out these kind of things as 6 year old boys hastily brainstorming ideas to advance the plot as they need it, where better scriptwriting could come up w more interesting ways to resolve some basic mechanics like how the fremen become so militarily dominant so quickly and how the baron's son reverses this tide so quickly. Dune 2 is far superior to much of what Hollywood barfs out these days, but still makes use of some of contemporary blockbusters' more annoying devices.
@futuza2 ай бұрын
Drinker is absolutely wrong about being an accurate depiction of the source material. Major theme, character motivations, plots, and critical story moments are changed. The sandworm express part is from the book though, so you can blame Frank Herbert for that if you thought it was cheesy (I thought it was epic though). Despite it being an unfaithful adaptation, I still think the movie did a great job and is a beautiful piece of cinema, but I have to acknowledge its far from perfect. Some of the changes made in the film were for the better, others I don't like. I have very mixed feelings about it, given my love for the original book.
@lennynero635Ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. I still don‘t get why so many critics gloss over these not so minor screenplay issues. Dune pt 2 is still a good movie (visually an outstanding movie) but its screenplay is pretty average.
@lavasharkflowersАй бұрын
I found myself disconnected from the characters. It was like watching people talk about stuff they believe in but from a far distance were I don't really connect with them or care about what they are they are talking about.
@Shamino115 күн бұрын
@@futuza Implying The Critical Drinker actually reads anything. The guy basically acts as a barometer and regurgitates what others have stated. Critical Drinker hasn't had an original thought in years, which he proved way back with his 'Witcher' reviews, in which he clearly demonstrates that he's never even bothered to read a single short story and likely didn't play the first two games, or even finish the third.
@Smallfrye2 ай бұрын
I firmly believe that even if we don't get Messiah, these two Dune movies will be remembered as Sci-Fi classics for years to come. In the same way I feel like 2049 will later on be fondly remembered as an under appreciated gem. Mark my words, time will be good to Denis and his work.
@kruzedarling93472 ай бұрын
There is no chance we don’t get Messiah.
@davisor71162 ай бұрын
2049 was absolute garbage, from the illogical and idiotic premise to the bland and depresion inducing color scheme and scenery
@Smallfrye2 ай бұрын
@@davisor7116 nice bait
@davisor71162 ай бұрын
@@Smallfrye It's an opinion mate
@rickdeckardbladerunner20492 ай бұрын
They are setting up for Dune Messiah the sequel book to Dune. Yet, they will market as Part 3, when in fact it is a totally different book and not one that will make a great movie. It will bomb at the box office. They had this in mind from the beginning. They want to tear down a strong white male, and keep the strong female character thing going. Dune part 2 was a pretty film that was mostly cringe with Chani leading the way to cringeland. Bladerunner 2049 was a plotless hot mess of a film that attempted to capture the visuals and sounds of the first film, but forgot Harrison is the star lead character and it had no real interesting story progression or reason to watch it. It felt like a bad episode of a poorly done daytime soap opera in a nice cinematic wrapper. Face it, hollyweird can't make a good movie. Godzilla Minus One was the best film of in years, and not out of Hollyweird!
@renaissanceman90342 ай бұрын
The first movie since Top Gun Maverick I'll watch in theaters.
@LuigiL752 ай бұрын
SAME
@WadeMFilms2 ай бұрын
Same
@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke2 ай бұрын
Ditto
@NoFace-ke9pc2 ай бұрын
It was worth going to theater for. I watched like 20 minutes pirated and literally got up and went to the theater to watch it. Worth it. There are some slow points but that's because I'm not used to character building anymore
@osets21172 ай бұрын
Should've gone to see Godzilla minus one, that movie is a treasure
@doublet1472 ай бұрын
I became a Denis Villenueve after I saw Bladerunner 2049. I never thought a sequel to Bladerunner could be good (Some view it as slightly better). I then watched Sicario... then Arrival. Then he directed Dune. I'm glad he is on the rise.
@gabrielriendeau2 ай бұрын
I too became a Denis Villeneuve
@GRIFFIN12382 ай бұрын
Watch Prisoners.
@kiq47672 ай бұрын
now I am become Villeneuve
@Hi-pl5rx2 ай бұрын
He isn’t just on the rise anymore. Hasn’t been for a while. Also side note: Incendies, Prisoners, and Enemy are all great movies directed by him. Prisoners is one of my all time favorites
@Zack-bq9xo2 ай бұрын
@@kiq4767the destroyer of shitty bloated films
@StephanosBlack2 ай бұрын
I really liked the parts where Paul Atreides said: "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere," and "They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals!"
@TurboMintyFreshАй бұрын
Well done you're the millionth person to make this lame comment
@StephanosBlackАй бұрын
@@TurboMintyFresh It's truly an honor.
@MrSomethingdark2 ай бұрын
A movie isn't just the actors themselves. I disagree here Drinker. I think this is just run of the mill Hollywood choices with maybe a few tweaks and being based on a great book and previous cinematic work it's easy. I think the bar is so low these days that a movie like the Dune remake passes for awesome cinema when it's more like the bare minimum.
@lennynero635Ай бұрын
I wouldn‘t go as far as „bare minimum“ but I am surprised that everybody is raving about the moive. Yes, the visuals are great and Villeneuve sure knowshow to stage and shoot action sequences but the screenplay is just okay at best.
@FatalMilkers2 ай бұрын
The fact that Villeneuve said “it’s not finished yet, we’re gonna have to delay it” made me even more excited. He did part 1 so well, I knew if part 2 wasn’t perfected yet, it was already gonna be great.
@carpeimodiem2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I think those delays were used to change the story of Chani and Paul's relationship. From what was in the book, to what we see now. And if you haven't read the books, it's almost exactly like the story of Neo and Trinity in the original Matrix. I noticed things started to get funky towards the end. Feels like 30 minutes of story was edited out. And a few minutes of Chani reshoots were spliced in. And it seems like they did that to go very heavy handed on the foreshadowing for the next book Dune: Messiah. So the tone of the second half of the movie feels like we're already there. Spoiling the big twist of that book. As exciting as it was, they demolished book Chani to do it. But don't worry about it if you haven't read them. The movie is undeniably epic.
@TheNightman.2 ай бұрын
The first part was so shit, went woke and ethnicity/gender swapped a character and increased their presence for no reason, kept them alive when they should have died, increased zendaya's character from what it should have been, bad pacing, bad writing. The TV series and earlier film were just superior to this. I'm not sure what the hard on is for this film, but it's just not a good fucking film
@PitchBlackYeti2 ай бұрын
@@TheNightman. Are you really that upset about Liet-Kynes or are you just hating for hating's sake? Because the first movie was a really good watch so much that they could've swapped a few more characters and it wouldn't have mattered.
@ubiquityofficial43632 ай бұрын
@@carpeimodiem I very much agree about the peculiar changes about Chani. Like I said in my own comment, the only major questionning of mine about the adaptation is about the relationship and its consequences in the ending. I suspect some part of their kinship (especially at the biginning in the book) would have brough bullshit media outrage given the times so they opted for this change. It's not really bad by any means, simply questionable. Anyway, what a Banger !
@szymonlechdzieciol2 ай бұрын
@@TheNightman. I'm not happy with Liet changes, but dude Lynch casted Max von Sydow and utterly wasted him, he basically had one scene + cameo when Harkonnens cut his stillsuit.
@tmdsls2 ай бұрын
Drinker, you’re the only critic I ever believe because you’re genuine. Too many movie critics act like they’re weathermen, forecasting what is good and bad without providing any explanation as to why. Their monotonous videos come across as cheap and pretentious. You, on the other hand, speak as if you’re having a debate with your friends, showing the why and how of where movies succeed and fail and you bring your personality into it. Thank you from a loyal listener.
@Chef-vg4pu2 ай бұрын
Thank you to you TMDSIS, That makes two loyal followers drinker…..! I got a believe there’s more of us🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ltb13452 ай бұрын
Jeremy Jahns is good too.
@JeremyIVfr2 ай бұрын
Like Chris Stuckmann. His reviews are really bland and hollow lately.
@divyajnana2 ай бұрын
Genuinely Drinker.
@into_play32262 ай бұрын
That Drinker is a great fella.
@jd2539Ай бұрын
It rushed the most important parts (e.g. Battle of Arrakeen), it could have trimmed some time off elsewhere. Similarly, I thought they abused Stilgar's character as a serious, devout man and used it as comedic relief; they kept jumping between serious Stilgar and joke Stilgar. And Chani was too prominent, and she was much more supportive. And Paul absolutely *was* a Chosen One - he just wasn't the only Chosen One; Leto II essentially proves that Paul was right, even if he questioend himself, and had to do what was necessary to avoid humanity going extinct in the future.
@gamingparadise3390Ай бұрын
mahdi isnt the messiah tho, he is just the chosen muslim leader to fight dijjal till the real messiah comes , Idk why they uses mahdi int he same ense ans messiah its not the same
@txcforeverАй бұрын
My main issue with the movie is that it takes it's sweet time to set up everything (which I love) but then the final battle and the duel last for a total runtime of like 15 minutes.
@4LekaАй бұрын
Long duels are boring as they are so overdone. It didn't need to last a second longer. I do agree that the battle could have lasted longer to show more tactical depth - they clearly had a plan, supposedly a cunning one, but in the end it seemed just like a brainless frontal assault with nukes and worms.
@txcforever4 күн бұрын
@@4Leka I agree in most cases. My main issue is with the battle outside, not the duel. Like we see like 5 minutes total from that. Imagine if the battle at Helm's Deep was like 10 minutes in Two Towers.
@4Leka4 күн бұрын
@@txcforever I agree. The battle should have been longer to show the supposed tactical brilliance of the attack. Now it was just a brainless frontal assault.
@TheDeadsideofYouTube2 ай бұрын
Having read all the books for Dune throughout the years (even the meh ones) it brings a smile to my face to see these movies doing so well. In a world of poor science fiction/fantasy like star wars and Rebel Moon, it's good to see something on the opposite side of the spectrum, something that actually offers something that isn't stupid, and treats the audience like we aren't moronic consumers.
@fyrchmyrddin19372 ай бұрын
@nerdrotic put it well: (paraphrase) despite the flaws in Dune 2, it comes across as a masterpiece because H'wood norm output has been so pitiful & disappointing for so long.
@Anglicanism_go_brr2 ай бұрын
Hey, hey, hey, which Star Wars
@scott84482 ай бұрын
It’s sad that it’s this movie though. The amount of lore changes is almost up there with rings of power… that didn’t have the source material to work with. Yes the writing is better but still a major letdown when compared to the source material they were aloud to use.
@tgoods50492 ай бұрын
You said it…
@tgoods50492 ай бұрын
@@scott8448dude you are nitpicking here. Adjustments have to be made to make it work on the big screen and be commercially viable.
@doobadood2 ай бұрын
The Harkonnen part was on point though, the Baron knew his nephew is an incompetent brute who only cared to torture and pain. He knew the beast will fail arrakis on his own. While not being aware of the growing resistance, he intentionally wanted arrakis to be a mess so that feyd will sort of "fix" it and be hailed as a savior. Also, unlike the movie, the baron did not commanded his force to exterminate the fremen in the book which pretty much shows his ignorance about the fremen thinking they wont be a trouble of some cause.
@JR-kx3jr2 ай бұрын
The Harkonnens vastly underestimated their numbers from what I recall.
@Blobby1922 ай бұрын
"my beautiful feyd"
@szymonlechdzieciol2 ай бұрын
it was a pity they did not introduce Feyd from very beginning, like in books he is there from Chapter 2, listening to Baron's plan, fashioned to become his successor.
@cabnbeeschurgr64402 ай бұрын
@@szymonlechdziecioltrue, but he doesn't show up again until the end of book 2 which is presumably where part 2 picks up. It's good to introduce the new villain at the beginning
@Devire6662 ай бұрын
I'm not certain that calling Raban just a brute is fair. We don't see him much in action, and what we know about him is mostly Baron's thoughts. Raban warned his uncle, but Vladimir ignored him, considering him too stupid to have a valuable opinion. Ironically, in this regard, at least, Raban proved to be smarter than his uncle.
@awriteknight66582 ай бұрын
Pacing, sacrifice of depth for breadth, and a surprisingly low amount of cinematic tension in I would say a third of the movie keeps this from being a true masterpiece. But considering the actual depth and time and pure balancing ability to be able to pull off the above aspects, deliver a coherent storyline delving into all these themes, stay true to the works of Herbert, and do everything in a visually spectacular manner is just a bridge too far. I gripe because I’ve been so impressed with Part 1 that I fooled myself into thinking Villeneuve might work a film miracle. He didn’t, but this is still the best movie I’ve seen this year, and a triumph for blockbuster filmmaking. A well executed Dune: Messiah would have me declaring this trilogy among the greatest of all time.
@lennynero635Ай бұрын
I second that.
@enfieldjohn101Ай бұрын
The secret sauce to the deserved success of these two Dune movies is the involvement of Dune Author Frank Herbert's son Brian and his long-time cowriter on a series of fantastic novels set in the Dune universe Kevin J. Anderson. It luckily occurred to the filmmakers that maybe they ought to talk with the two people still alive on Earth who understand Dune best before they started this project and to involve them in the script and screenplay. Boy, does it show too. Especially when you compare it to the Sci Fi Channel's attempt a while back. They have so far done a pretty good job of trying to make Chani like the character in the novels while still trying to please the girl boss crowd a little bit. Like you said, thank God they didn't make Chani strong at the expense of Paul. If only more movies would try this hard to make the male and female leads of films worthwhile characters in their own right without denigrating anyone in the process. I think they also tried to point out that not every Fremen was immediately convinced to blindly follow the Bene Geserit's invented religion that they'd been crafting over the centuries (which is in the books - there's a lot of argument amongst the Fremen over what they ought to believe and how they ought to act) by giving a lot of those thoughts to Chani. Yes, there's some murmuring among a few of the crowd as well, but the filmmakers wisely didn't cram the lead with too many characters. The drama succeeds because it centers on Paul, Chani, Jessica and Stilgar, putting every other character in the background and only showing them when it would help further the plot. I think they are wisely saving showing us more of the Emperor, Princess and the Spacing Guild (who have barely been mentioned so far in this trilogy) for the third movie. The biggest problem with the often-praised 80's version is that they tried to cram too much from a very long, thoughtful and complex book into a 137-minute action movie. This new trilogy does its best to avoid making that same mistake by spreading things out across at least three movies. If the trilogy does well enough, it might even spawn a new mini-series on streaming. I think that is likely.
@Shamino115 күн бұрын
Those Dune books are considered absolute tripe filler by the vast majority of even casual readers, nevermind long term Dune fans. Kevin J. Anderson is a hack fraud and has been milking Dune for decades with Brian. While the Sci-Fi TV station's miniseries had the visual effects budget of a 90's video game, each character was adapted to screen far more faithfully than in DV's version. Baron Harkonnen gets more than 12 lines, for instance.
@kevinhuerta-ponce1382 ай бұрын
When I first saw dune in theaters I had no expectations and knew nothing. Infact the movie I wanted to watch was cancelled so instead of going home I started looking at posters and say the dune poster. I said why not and I’m glad I did. When it ended I knew I had seen something special that I just had to tell everyone about. I said to myself this must be how they felt..the star wars fans, LOTR fans, harrpotterfans, matrix, marvel etc. every time I see dune I think about that day at the amc dobly, my ears drums vibrating, my eyes squinting every time it was bright, the seats shaking, and me smiling ear to ear start to finish. Unforgettable. Can’t wait watch the second one
@ahhmm53812 ай бұрын
The movie seemed kinda average to me, except for the plot. That was horrible
@chiquita6832 ай бұрын
I'll wait until the full story is available probably 10 years from now. Not interested in watching Parts of any movie. Release the full thing within 2 years not 10
@chiquita6832 ай бұрын
@@ahhmm5381a lot of bots with Dune. Just have to look at how many "fans" there are vs the box office
@chiquita6832 ай бұрын
@@ahhmm5381First movie maade $400mm on a $165 million budget before marketing so it lost a lot of money. They need this new one (like the last) to make $600 million to break even. Yea right
@thelordofcringe2 ай бұрын
@chiquita683 marketing ratio is 1 -1.5/2unless you're Disney, then it's 1-3 or even 1-4. So the movie made at worst 50 million profit.
@barrywhittingham61542 ай бұрын
As I recall the toppling of the Atreides was a combined effort of Harkonnen and Imperial forces. The breakup of that would mean (most probably) the funding and grunt power for the campaign would have been from the Baron, while the precision would have come from the Emperor in the form of his Sardaukar. We know from the book those are not only very skilled fighters but also impressive infiltrators. Once those are removed from Arrakis, the Harkonnen are left to occupy with their own less impressive forces and the tactical brilliance (or complete lack thereof) of Rabban.
@dawnfire822 ай бұрын
As has already been mentioned by another commenter, the Baron intended for the administration of Arrakis to be inept and brutal. Rabban was set up to fail specifically so the more talented Feyd could come in later and shine by comparison.
@barrywhittingham61542 ай бұрын
@@dawnfire82 The idea was to oppress the populace *and* refill Harkonnen coffers. Rabban only managed one of the two.
@harrymills27702 ай бұрын
The Baron had no idea how many Fremen there were. He only got an inkling from his new, temporary "twisted mentat," Thufir Hawat, after Duke Leto was dead. Hawat figured it out from the Baron's recounting of a conversation with Count Hasimir Fenring, who worked for the Emperor. "Witch's blood!" was what Hawat said, as I recall. The Baron innocently talked about how he might use DUNE as a training planet for his own troops, following the Sardaukar's use of Salusa Secundus, a similarly hellish place, where only the best survived. The Emperor already understood the threat from the Fremen of Arrakis, whose entire lifestyle was basically better than Sardaukar training! But I don't think the Baron ever really figured out how many Fremen there were until the very end. Hawat, never dreaming that Muad'dib was Paul, took all that information and basically made the Baron's plan for Feyd (Fade, not Fay-yed, imo) even better. The Sardaukar were the MUSCLE, not the precision. It was the Baron who paid for them to come to Arrakis. The cost was monumental. Anyway, I don't think the Emperor knew how strong or how numerous the Fremen were. To me that's a bit of a plot hole, because the Bene Gesserit must have known. They were all up in the Fremen's business, and had even engineered their religion, centuries before. It just seems a bit unlikely that they would've withheld that bit of information from the Emperor, when Mohiam was basically working for him. It never made sense to me that Mohiam would be so pissed-off at Jessica and at the predicament they were in, after Paul used the family atomics to destroy the Shield Wall protecting Arrakeen. The Emperor had no idea what he was up against, even though he knew enough not to want the Baron to make DUNE a prison planet, like Salusa Secundus.
@ionbing28842 ай бұрын
@@harrymills2770I think the Bene Gesserit were manipulating the situation to give themselves more power by influence over a new emperor and Mohiam basically outsmarted herself.
@scott84482 ай бұрын
But in the first movie they tried showing the harkonens as the precise ones with them planning the invasion (kidnapping doctors wife) and also having spies that infiltrated the Leto residence. Now they’re useless fuckwits apart from fade
@racebannon36722 ай бұрын
I guess i'm the only one on earth disappointed. I mean, I like it. But not as much as the first 1. Everything seems really easy for Paul. There's not even really an antagonist. Chani is huffing and puffing for no reason and for a 3 hour long movie it felt oddly rushed
@loganscott8142 ай бұрын
I think that's the point. Paul is unstoppable. He's a mentat, kh, trained in every martial art. The only thing he can't stop is the [eh...war].
@racebannon36722 ай бұрын
that's cool but I wish they'd show it. like, what did he do that any other fremen couldnt do? I get that it's about religious dogma but I mean what happened to all the visions he had in the first movie? They didn't show me why he should be their leader and what gives them such faith in him other than "it was written". he didn't voice anyone til the last 10 minutes. it didn't look to me like HE is unstoppable, it looked like the harkkenans were incompetent and the saurdakarr were all bark and no bite. Rabban got smoked in 2 seconds flat. Paul never really had to overcome anything. i mean at least make me believe for a second that feyd ratha is some kinda threat to him. for crying out loud can he sweat a little bit in this "uninhabitable" desert? Dune 1 was LEAGUES better. @@loganscott814
@loganscott8142 ай бұрын
I thought his successful attacks against the Harkonnens and the scene where he brings everyone into line shows why he's in charge.
@racebannon36722 ай бұрын
I understand that was the intent of the attacks, but I didn't see him do anything crazy. Like why couldn't stilgar have done that? and yea the scene at the end was dope as fuck once he decided to embrace the Mahdi role that was one of my favorite scenes.@@loganscott814
@lennynero635Ай бұрын
Don‘t worry, you are not the only one if that is any consolation. Good movie, with outstanding visuals but the screenplay is just okay.
@joriegl2 ай бұрын
Florence Pugh seemed like a miscast for Irulan to me, but I liked her portrayal of the character here (always imagined her as a tall icy blonde). She came across as very sympathetic. I have loved the book Irulan since I read the books years ago. Not sure why, just her story resonates with me and I probably loved the twist that the Irulan who wrote fragments of books preceding every chapter turns out to be Paul's official wife at the end, so that's why she chronicled his entire life in such detail. I loved that they showed her dictating chronicles here, a great nod to the book!
@robryan20792 ай бұрын
Got a content warning from YT when I clicked this video… well done Drinker… Wear that warning like a badge of honor
@mat20001002 ай бұрын
I didn't get a warning.
@CSorgini2 ай бұрын
@@mat2000100neither
@lexnight83452 ай бұрын
@@mat2000100 same... but judging by my searches history... youtube is to safe 🤣🤣🤣
@mousemetal16792 ай бұрын
What warning? Like "This channel is Pr0bLeMat!C" warning, or "we will delete your account if you watch stuff like this"?
@billjoe87342 ай бұрын
@@mousemetal1679I got it too, it just said that some might find the content disturbing
@blackseed682 ай бұрын
Great review as always, Drinker. Although there is a reason the Harkonnen's seem incompetent in this movie compared to the first. Frank Herbert wanted to show how empires can rise and how they may be overthrown. He used the fall of Rome as inspiration. The harkonnens represent the complacency, decadence, and deviance of the noble class. While the Emporer represents a centralized government that has lost touch with the very empire, it is supposed to understand and rule. Both sides have grown too comfortable in their positions and underestimate fremen. Who spent generations adapting in harsh terrain and culling the weak from their ranks. It's a brilliant analogy that's especially relevant today.
@doopdoopdopdop74242 ай бұрын
And especially because it’s Rabban in charge. I think there should’ve been more on the Harkonnens though. More showing how Vladimir was throwing Rabban under the bus and grooming Feyd-Rautha to be the successor.
@lachlanmarshall392 ай бұрын
I also feel like having skipped over the arc of Thufir Hawat defecting to the Harkonnens and all the internal power struggle and subterfuge between Feyd and The Baron leaves us missing a lot of the context that motivates their actions. The encounter in the slave pit seems unnecessarily odd and silly without us as the audience knowing that the Baron and Feyd are playing Hawat against each other and that the slave not being drugged was a plot within a plot.
@doopdoopdopdop74242 ай бұрын
@@lachlanmarshall39 good point.
@marsta19802 ай бұрын
@@lachlanmarshall39 Also missing is Thufir's plot to train the Fremen to attack the Emperor. As the Baron notes, Thufir holds the Harkonnens in complete contempt, believing he can defeat them anytime. Instead he focuses on the bigger target, the Imperium. The Baron encourages this and thus manipulates Thufir's revenge to an instrument of Harkonnen power. It's excellent writing on Frank Herbert's part.
@Northumbrian262 ай бұрын
@@lachlanmarshall39to be honest I think Dune is just one of those series that’s so long and detailed that you either have to develop it as a tv series or cut away bits and accept you are going to lose some nuance and scenes like with ASOIAF, WOT and LOTR. And while I would have liked the scenes you just listed i still think it was a great movie. Plus can we honestly say that the majority of movie goers consuming Marvel and Disney slop would miss them?
@neozes2 ай бұрын
I completely disagree with your opinion. The movie was dumbed down in comparison to the books content, important aspects have been omitted or butched and pacing was totally off with the biggest disappointment was the final battle which should have taken more of the screen time. Zendaya is a bad actor and was usless in the movie. Saying that this was very faithful to the book is a big misunderstanding.
@alastair48392 ай бұрын
I kind of felt like the film all just went by with no real struggle... Paul A and team just go around succeeding on every mission over and over until the end and then....well, it ends... For me it was a bit like the last few episodes of Game of Thrones (only in the sense that ... "and they won"). I really felt like they could have added in more set-backs - mad the struggle look harder. But overall - not that big of a deal - the big struggle session was the first film!
@spokajutlandandmetallurgis34042 ай бұрын
"Bring in that floating fat man, the baron." Still in my heart.
@rmerrida2 ай бұрын
"Am I alive?!" Yeah, that mf'er was as crazy as he was gross.
@gamingweasel46332 ай бұрын
Totally memorable.
@PHDiaz-vv7yo2 ай бұрын
Jose Ferrer? Or does Christopher Walken say that?
@gamingweasel46332 ай бұрын
@@PHDiaz-vv7yo Jose Ferrer
@axelhopfinger5332 ай бұрын
Bring in that rambling drunk man, the Drinker
@charleshurst10152 ай бұрын
Having read Dune multiple times - I still can't decide if the Harkonnens were smart or not. The Baron waivers so much it's still hard for me to tell 😂. I've chalked it up to - the Great House are so wrapped up in their nested schemes, trying to think 20 moves ahead that they're all blind to what's right in front of their faces - which may have been the whole point 🤔
@Crispybacon1632 ай бұрын
Harkonnens are smart, they just overestimate themselves consistently and underestimate the people around them. They’re arrogant. I remember in the book, them laughing not really knowing how many fremen exist, but saying it wouldn’t really matter anyway….. big mistake. And they, didn’t know how much control the fremen had of the worms.
@charleshurst10152 ай бұрын
@@Crispybacon163 A possible explanation, yes 😅
@stephentg12 ай бұрын
Brilliant, but sadistic. And if your sadistic, you'll do some stupid things to feed that addiction.
@himwhoisnottobenamed54272 ай бұрын
That’s what I love about the books. They can still manage to make you think. Especially upon repeated readings.
@p_serdiuk2 ай бұрын
Vladimirs and their 4D chess being defeated by ragtag bands of fighters who just say "no" to an invasion of their territory is somewhat of a trope at the moment.
@konz71852 ай бұрын
Among all the undeniable good in this movie, I feel there was a lot of (mostly) pacing related bad, which people are neglecting talk about in this fervour of dune love. !!SPOILERS!! The final battle between the fremen and the Imperial guard felt extremely rushed. The Emperor had hardly made an appearance and then him, the Sardaukar and the Harkonnen were all wiped in a 20 minute battle sequence that speedran Paul's takeover of the planet. Even more silly I found that within the same afternoon (unless im missing something), the Fremen who have no spacefaring experience afaik, commandeer the Emperor's ships and seem to be taking off to do battle with the Great Houses in orbit. Overall, the movie left me feeling like many of the big plot points weren't quite earned, and this could have better been done in two separate movies.
@lennynero635Ай бұрын
Some of the points you mentioned soured my experience as well. Also, sometimes the characters‘ motivations were not clearly defined to the point I was wondering why f.e. Paul was suddenly so eager to drinkt the worm juice.
@toddwilkinson54742 ай бұрын
Chalamet is not a good Paul Atreides. There was no chemistry or comraderie between the cast. The movie spends far too much time on the offbeat, mystical aspects and the ending feels rushed. The sound track is loud and brash. The final battle is anti-climactic. For all its faults, I still prefer the Lynch version.
@sleepylion97882 ай бұрын
Harkonans weren't depicted as smart or tactical even in the first film though. Their victory was assisted a lot by the Sadurkars.
@DeleteTheWeak2 ай бұрын
But they were a lot more threatening in the first movie. I didn’t feel a sense of dread when seeing Baron VH in part 2, in part 1 he was creepy, sickening and dominated the screen. In part 2 he just felt a bit lost. Great film though
@sleepylion97882 ай бұрын
@@DeleteTheWeak Harkoneens were kinda a punching bag in the first movie though, all of the badass moments were by the Sadurkars
@snoopstp41892 ай бұрын
@@DeleteTheWeak every remake of Dune gets worse.. this one is complete trash.
@ionbing28842 ай бұрын
@@snoopstp4189No it's brilliant. It actually improves on the source material.
@snoopstp41892 ай бұрын
@@ionbing2884 no its garbage, its only brilliant to a moron.
@danielpauley91132 ай бұрын
I remember when I was young and went and saw terminator 2 and I was completely blown away. Having just watched Dune part / and read the book series several times. After the film ended I just sat there in stunned silence once again completely and utterly blown away. What an amazing movie!!! This is why I love cinema 😊
@erynja70852 ай бұрын
We just watched it today and that ending hit hard. I was stunned and blown away and it really stuck with me. That is indeed what cinema should feel like. BTW first cinema visit in 6 or 7 years (Last Jedi was my last...)
@danielpauley91132 ай бұрын
@@erynja7085 yeah it was amazing! Paul unleashes the jihad which kills sixty-one billion people across the known universe.
@lollorosso46752 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree. Stunning visuals that drove the story instead of being a mere device for filling gaps in the narrative. As a bonus, the sandworm riding was every bit as epic as I imagined it when reading the books.
@mousemetal16792 ай бұрын
@@lollorosso4675 I couldn´t imagine it would be possible to film scenes of people riding giant sand sea cucumbers without falling into accidental parody. They managed to make it look EPIC as f***!
@lanwyacaere92742 ай бұрын
I was in IMAX yesterday. After movie ended 75% of people stayed in their seats during cedit roll trying to grasp the ending and the entire experience. I am not making this up@@erynja7085
@dannyo5122 ай бұрын
One thing that really bugged me is they never showed how they get off the sandworms. That thing is frickin moving, can someone please explain how they get off.
@indyzaga2 ай бұрын
or why the artillery was never used before to quickly take out the Fremen base (until the news Arkonnen ruler arrives) or how they can load 50 ppl on the sandworms without problem or why riffle and bombing and laser are not used more often (I know it it because of the shields) but there was so many way to play around it. Truth is the book didnt depict a lot of action / battle going on, so reader had to use use their imagination. As it is a book, it worked very well. But here, it is a movie, so you need to show them, you need to make "sense" and Villeneuve didnt succeed in this mission, according to me.
@hopefullyanonymous34662 ай бұрын
@@indyzagaabsolutely correct
@robadzso2 ай бұрын
You just push the get off signal carefully
@Kyfow2 ай бұрын
@@indyzagaJust conjecture but I think that Arrakis with its many sandstorms makes it impossible to perform any long term strikes accurately. That's why even at the end with the atomics, it's launched from basically walking distance
@indyzaga2 ай бұрын
@@Kyfow the worm have effect on long strike ? I didnt know this ... Also, i dont think any atomic were fired during the movie. I can be wrong but to me the "missile'' used to destroy the stone barrier are not atomic
@2likruesco768Ай бұрын
Finally was able to see the movie this week after somehow avoiding watching any of the reviews or spoilers floating around. I had high hopes after the first one (which I never saw in theaters). Boy, was I not disappointed. One of the things that impressed me the most was the amazing imagery, done without a single shot obviously placed in just for the sake of the image and not the plot. I guess you could say the same about the first movie but the restraint just really stood out to me seeing this one in IMAX.
@LycanVisuals2 ай бұрын
Denis, Nolan, Matt Reeves and Cameron carrying Blockbusters right now.
@billybatts82832 ай бұрын
Breen?
@Thrawn23.2 ай бұрын
@@billybatts8283Who
@InsaneCookies2 ай бұрын
and Tom Cruise
@muhammadalikhan72442 ай бұрын
Tarantino?
@Thrawn23.2 ай бұрын
@@billybatts8283 Who?
@danielpauley91132 ай бұрын
The mystery of the critical drinker isn’t a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. A process that cannot be understood by stopping it. We must move with the flow of the process of the drinker
@ionbing28842 ай бұрын
We must move with the flow of the drink.
@mania42702 ай бұрын
You guys sound like a cult. It's just movies.
@danielpauley91132 ай бұрын
@@mania4270 and you wear a paper bag over your head when leaving your home so as not to frighten the children.
@Tman0011002 ай бұрын
The drink...MUST flow
@ionbing28842 ай бұрын
@@mania4270Relax it's a joke.
@friedawells68602 ай бұрын
"Suprisingly faithful to the books" was my exact reaction! My only gripe as a book fan was changing Chani's character to be more of an angry girl boss. In the books she was formidable as a fighter, but Paul loved her and would prioritize her safety in the books, so her as a young woman fighting the Emperor's Sardaukar on the frontlines of the battle for Arakeen was just beyond ridiculous to me! However, the change to Chani's character did not detract much from the story or even from the romance between Chani and Paul, so overall still an awesome movie :D
@jurisprudens26972 ай бұрын
And also her not becoming Paul's mistress in the end is also a change, obviously dictated by modern sensitivities.
@TheApostleofRock2 ай бұрын
I'm conflicted about the change, because it does feel pretty different from the books. Yet, at the same time, I had a profound sense of sadness for her because of the betrayal/ill-fated rise that ended up being one of the lasting impressions of the film for me. The change feels like it does their relationship pretty dirty, even if it is consistent with the tone and overall theme. I dunno.
@Time4rpgs2 ай бұрын
Timothée had a 'horse stance' in almost every scene TheDrinker showed, its amazing :D
@GauravSingh-ku5xy2 ай бұрын
For the first time, I felt a movie passed really quickly and swiftly, given it was a 3 hour film. I like how Denis is one director who has maintained the minimalism in the movies instead of bombarding the audience will all kinds of boring trivia. It's a good story portrayed by visuals and audio, that's it. Proper cinema.
@Bwarock2 ай бұрын
It was dull and yawn inducing.
@ManSeekingMeaning2 ай бұрын
@@BwarockYou have the attention span of this latest generation, congratulations. Films like Gladiator and Master and Commander would probably kill you with boredom, shame.
@GauravSingh-ku5xy2 ай бұрын
@@Bwarock Let me guess, you watch tiktok or reels everyday right? No wonder you can't focus for more than 5 seconds.
@SWatchik2 ай бұрын
I wanted more, despite the length. Stunning experience
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob2 ай бұрын
Dune 1 made me fall asleep it was so slow and ponderous. No clever exposition, just blasts of bass and shampoo commercial visuals to convey "depth" and "feeling". Villeneuve has no idea how to convey character or tell a story, only show big landcapes.
@robwilliams28532 ай бұрын
Massive shout out to Greig Fraser for his continued excellent work, and I think Denis Villeneuve is one of the finest directors working today!
@anjofa7Ай бұрын
Fun fact: Christopher Walken (the emperor) appears in the fatboy slim music video "weapon of choice", wherein he dances to the lyrics which include: "walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm".
@user-fb7ep4ok9qАй бұрын
Honestly the only gripe I have with Dune 2 is loosing some dialogue under the dramatic music at times. Yes the score definitely adds to the ambiance, but us deaf old farts want to hear the words too. Something I notice more and more in films these days, you can't hear half the dialogue due to poor sound mixing.
@lavasharkflowersАй бұрын
This is very true. I had the same issue with across the spiderverse
@mavericmorph53582 ай бұрын
I was obsessed with Dune in the eighties, still am now. So glad they didn't ruin this story. Love it.
@danieltempas60622 ай бұрын
Yeah... like Apple ruined the Foundation trilogy.
@grantstratton22392 ай бұрын
Yeah. It's honestly confusing how Dune is as good as a book and movie it is, given the one sentence Cliff's Notes of the series is, "Humanity is saved by a combination of Eugenics, drug overdoses, and religious zealotry... or is it?"
@trteeerryfse-wy2ww2 ай бұрын
What was life like in your time gramps? 😂
@grantstratton22392 ай бұрын
@@trteeerryfse-wy2ww I'm going too senile to remember everything... but before I get into gory details, do you have your parent's permission to be on KZfaq, young'un? I wouldn't want to say anything inappropriate for young ears.
@mavericmorph53582 ай бұрын
@@trteeerryfse-wy2ww Hundred times better than it is now.
@Luchiop2 ай бұрын
I felt the same way about drawn out scenes and runtime that could have been better used to flesh out characters. A case of this happens at the thopter escape scene with the sandstorm in the first movie and how much character was left out, especially with the Baron and Thufir. The meeting scene in the books with the duke showing confidence while hiding the fact that he is super angry and scared cause they tried to kill his son is incredible and is severely cut short in the movie, it explained the state of things.
@joshuatran65262 ай бұрын
Thufir being gone from this movie was sad. Steven McKinley Henderson was superb in the role
@Luchiop2 ай бұрын
@@joshuatran6526 yeah, got me excited. They handled Yueh quite well, wonder why they wrote so little for the baron, duke and thurfir. And Lets not get started with the least scary versión posible of sardaukar.
@ionbing28842 ай бұрын
If that's the meeting I'm thinking of, then it was unfilmable. Seriously c'mon both these movies are very long and it requires good pacing. That scene had no place in the movie.
@Luchiop2 ай бұрын
@@ionbing2884 Yet how many minutes of thopter spinning in the storm?
@voomastelka43462 ай бұрын
The entire Spacing Guild was omitted ...
@duchasasyn68544 күн бұрын
I've been watching you couple years ago,and today i come back after a while. You've still got it mate !
@Strider-bl5sq2 ай бұрын
I wish both films could've been more faithful to the book and less dumbed down. They are still enjoyable and better than the other crap Hollywood has to offer though. Besides the 1984 film adaption there is a much less well known miniseries from around 2000 that actually did an amazing job at staying true to the source material , but unfortunately because of the budget and costumes the series looks incredibly corny and the script and performances are overshadowed. I guess I had hoped that this adaption would retain more of the qualities that made me love the books ( books 1-4 that is, I don't care for the last 2) especially after he managed to do the impossible with Blade Runner and create a sequel that manages to surpass the original and totally exceed my expectations. I really have my fingers crossed that the Dune Messiah adaption will proceed with Dennis V at the helm! It's an exciting prospect to see what he does with Sci fi`s coolest series.
@timmaxwell27832 ай бұрын
I used to chase hurricanes up and down the east coast to surf the biggest scariest beach breaks possible. My body can’t dare anymore. The sand worm riding is the first thing in my life that gave me that level of exhilaration in at least a decade. I’ve never had so much adrenaline pumping in my body while sitting in a chair in my life. 10/10. Holy fuck.
@mitchbaker63002 ай бұрын
The movie was incredible. Visually stunning and so much care with the story. Villanueva is a master
@ionbing28842 ай бұрын
It felt just like Top Gun: Maverick.
@Tom-sd9jb2 ай бұрын
It was visually stunning but he changed waaaay to much. I was disappointed.
@mitchbaker63002 ай бұрын
I never read the books but if you're disappointed with this movie then there's no hope for you@@Tom-sd9jb
@timmaxwell27832 ай бұрын
@@Tom-sd9jb cool story bro no one gives a shit though learn to enjoy things in life instead of defaulting to finding anything possible to be disappointed about
@zegermanscientist26672 ай бұрын
I missed the tragic story arc of Tufir Hawat particularly. Him playing the Harkonnens in subtle ways, offering his life in the throne room to save Pauls would have been the tear shedding moment the movie needed.
@lucaskp16Ай бұрын
the movie had to cut a lot yes but is impossible to adapt it faithfully without making it a documentary. just like LoTR cut out a lot and is still the best fantasy movies ever made to many millions. i love dune books but they simply cant be adapted in any way that is not a literal documentary. if you think this is hard dune 4 is by far the most impossible with most of the book being the emperor inner thoughts. if that movie is ever made it will need to cut half the book to even have something resembling a pace. next movie will already be a challenge since books 1,3,5 are the ones to have all the action and 2,4,6 being much more slow and retrospective. so book 2 will be hard to keep entertaining in movie format for non book readers.
@user-je7ve7vm2jАй бұрын
6:32 I disagree. The gladiator-style fight that Feyd-Rautha had established him as being very dangerous which made me very nervous during the final duel. My two complaints about the film are that the romance between Paul and Chani feels a bit forced and I didn't like the way Paul and Feyd's duel ended. He didn't win because of skill, he won because Feyd let his guard down If he hadn't, he would have won. It felt dirty and dishonorable.
@chrislehr84702 ай бұрын
Honestly, I don't get the love this is getting. Characters were drastically changed (Jessica, Chani, Stilgar, Feyd) for simplicity and so many extra scenes were added so we could "connect" with characters we already care about, the first half of the film was a hollywood waste, the dialogue was so on the nose it was like being smacked in the face, Show don't tell anyone? Everything important was said, not shown. None of the emotional moments had any impact because all the important scenes were dashed through so more blam blam, boom guns and big speech moments, did anyone care when Chani cried? Did Gurney's revenge matter at all? None of the emotional pay offs felt earned as they had little to no struggle to get there. Who cares when Chani's friend died? Does anyone remember her name? Why not have her be Janis's wife? Anything, christ. And Feyd, FEYD! Feyd is literally the Anti-Paul, his cheating in every arena is what leads to his undoing and what makes him the shadow character and they cut that all away, just for him to be a psychotic, but honourable bad guy, cause ahh, he's bad, but honourable? He was bland as hell here, but hey, better to have Paul get lost in Chani's eyes while she describes wind farming then build Feyd's character, right? No! The Baron had one good scene and that's it. How do you waste so many great characters? So many great scenes? God, this was, as far as adaptations go, an absolute hack job, how the hell did the same guy make the first film and this one? Consider the scene in the first film where Stilgar meets Leto, the tension, the mystery, the presence. It's compelling, it's beautiful, it's impactful, it breathes. No one could take a breath in this film, racing as it did through a lot of nothing and then having the tone lurch all over the place, it was like watching a Marvel film. And did you notice any time anyone had to emote they did it by yelling? That's all anyone did in this film was yell. There was no time for any of the complexity of the first film. Almost none of the good work was carried over. This was a crushing disappointment and while I can admit entirely that this should be seen in the cinema, it is visually striking and stunning and deserves the big screen, it was a chore and a bore to get through. There was 40 good-great minutes tucked away in this film and everything else was lazy decision making and terrible writing. I don't imagine it's easy to create this, or to adapt it, or to give it the full treatment in 3 hrs, but goddamn why waste the first hour and a half? Why not go for another couple of drafts? You had nearly 200 million dollars. Find. A. Better. Way. Just, Ahhhhhhh! Goddamn this was such a let down. Which I truly hate to say, I'm stupefied that everyone loves it so much. I think my feelings about modern cinema, this film and it's response, are summed up by the Braveheart quote, "You’re so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank’s table, that you’ve missed your God-given right to something better." It should've been better, it truly, truly should have. At least there's always the books.
@bvdemier12 ай бұрын
the virgin "I will make it rain on Arrakis" vs the chad "Lets get this Holy Crusade rolling, my Emperor"
@fakecubed2 ай бұрын
And neither was in the actual fucking book. I can sort of forgive it in this case because it seems like Denis Villeneuve intends to do a third film and some like Chris Gore have speculated he will be also adding in Children of Dune stuff into the third film, which means some Dune Messiah stuff is getting pushed more into the second movie.
@Stoian19922 ай бұрын
Just imagine a movie without woke pandering, a director and people behind him - fans of the source material and we end up with a great movie! Who would’ve thought of such a formula for success?!
@alexpereiraslefthook2 ай бұрын
@@PresidentKamalaHarris.Drone
@history.mp49932 ай бұрын
There is woke pandering they race or gender swapped 1/4 of the cast
@Pirategod232 ай бұрын
You know movies have been woke and pandering since the beginning pretty much it’s not new
@mrhawkeye2932 ай бұрын
You telling me DEI Chani isnt woke? LOL
@Red_Ryan_Red2 ай бұрын
Okay
@hariseldon37862 ай бұрын
So many scenes reminiscent of so many other movies e.g., ornithopters vs the helicopters shown in Apocalypse Now, desert scenes like Lawrence of Arabia, Freemen riding a Worm with a Flag like the G.I.s planting the flag at Iwo Jima... the list of 'passing-off" scenes on prior creativity goes on and on and on - but modern audiences may not have the memory of Hari Seldon...
@Transilvanian90Ай бұрын
Good review of an excellent movie. I actually liked the scene where they were observing the nuclear cache, it gave good insight into the Fremen vs Atreides way of thinking, and looked into the morals of using the weapons.
@dariapaszkiewicz65442 ай бұрын
One of the elements that makes this story so powerful ans timeless - look at how many male role models is Paul surrounded with, he needs them in order to become who he is meant to become. And all if those men are excellent, honourable, each a master of his craft. This movie adaptation stayed true to it, despite the times being as they are - degradation and humiliation of man is almost mandatory in Hollywood productions. Dune delivers what we all need - protagonists we can genuinely look up to and wish we could have had the honour of acquaintance.
@gwell21182 ай бұрын
I don''t really know if that is a good argument. Stilgar turned into an easily manipulated religious fanatic. Gurney was perfectly fine lying and using an entire people just for personal revenge. And the Baron was a gullible idiot who got taken out by the Harkonnen . Who we see are ultimately not really that smart overall. I mean if seeing them look all stern all the time is what does it for you great. But I wouldn't really call any of them admirable figures.
@JohnnyRocker0232 ай бұрын
I mean Paul's mentor figures all kinda died in the first movie, and like he says towards the end of the 2nd, "friends become followers"
@ManSeekingMeaning2 ай бұрын
@@gwell2118So if a character dies or has a personality flaw, they’re not good mentors figured? Is your dad perfect in every way? If not, do you disregard him as a mentor figure? Who DO you look up to in life? I guarantee they have more than a few skeletons in their closet, but if they make the choice day in and day out to be there for you, to impart some form of strength and knowledge to you… well, frankly that’s better than A LOT of the fatherless youth of today get. I can’t remember the last time father figures were so emphasized or revered (Duke Leto was respected by everyone). It’s a good thing.
@kingdomsheir72 ай бұрын
@@ManSeekingMeaning Good point!
@kristinaant62392 ай бұрын
Did you know that Paul isn't a hero?
@user-op7ib4ye6v2 ай бұрын
The Baron and the Harkonens were not the smart strategical masters. they were merely plotting like any other houses did. And this whole deal with Emperor giving Arrakis to Atreides started because Harkonens couldnt keep the Spice production quotas and it was the Emperor master plan to either destroy or keep both of those houses weak and under his control.
@michaelmcfadden3962 ай бұрын
I saw the Harkonen society as being ruled by fear and power. Atradies and Freeman more based on love and society. They were smart using the guiding principles of their society imo.
@secondaryfront2 ай бұрын
@@michaelmcfadden396 Atreides were kept by love and society, but Fremens are not. While there were a strong bonds of unity and brotherhood within fremen society, the main thing that molded them was a brutal, survivalist, darvinian culture that was forced by living under extreme climate conditions and deadly circumstances. Oh, and also xenophobia and resintement. The Fremen became one of the most genocidal group inside the Dune universe. So no, love was not their defining trait.
@michaelmcfadden3962 ай бұрын
@@secondaryfront okay maybe not. I'm not as well versed on the books having just read Dune once.
@sagelobu2 ай бұрын
Yeah knowing a bit from the series, the Harkonnens were arrogant and ruthless and that was their way more than tact. They were disgusting and willing to do whatever they could to advance. They were always willing to break the rules and that's what often won it for them. That's why i liked Paul saying they had to behave more Harkonnen.
@longwlenguyen42142 ай бұрын
@@michaelmcfadden396Yeah in the later book Paul committed mass genocide of 60 billion people due to Fremen uncontrollable fanaticism, and Paul hated himself for it.
@lupusnoctis8656Ай бұрын
Favorite character is The Baron played by Stellan Skarsgard who did a fantastic job
@kezp81142 ай бұрын
This was the greatest movie experience ive enjoyed since Lotr ROTK -- the same awe inspiring visuals, mind blowing battle scenes (the worm charge into fremen charge was reminiscent of the Oliphant/Rohan charge combined into a satisfying combo of cheering for both charges)... And yeah wow... Cant celebrate it enough it was amazing
@astronomyforaliens4332 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree! I just got back from the cinema, with my mouth hanging wide open. I genuinely love this movie and will be returning to the cinema next week to soak up every last detail, while it’s still playing in IMAX. ❤ But I’d definitely advise a rewatch of the first part beforehand and an extensive supply of fluids for during.
@cincoboy32142 ай бұрын
Dude i was part of a conversation in some random Dune fan sub a few months ago and someone said "Anya Taylor Joy would be a good cast for Alia," to which I wholeheartedly agreed. Her facial features alone look somewhat alien (in a cool/hot way tbfh, I don't mean to demean her here) which matches to a T on the outside what Alia is on the inside, and based on past roles I feel she would absolutely KILL the role of Alia in a Messiah/Children of Dune movie. I actually pictured her as Alia while I was reading the books, believe it or not. I was grinning SO HARD when I saw her. Me and that one random guy were right!!
@patriarch72372 ай бұрын
Yep, really hoping they do Dune Messiah and Children of Dune so she'll get a major part.
@vincer7824Ай бұрын
Honestly I was disappointed when they showed her. Taylor-Joy is over-saturating Hollywood right now for me. Between The Northman, The Menu, the last season of Peaky Blinders all in the last two years _and_ seeing a trailer for Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga right before Dune 2, I’m burnt out on the girl. Yes, she fits the role given her “alien” features and can probably execute the role well. The thing is an actor can be so extremely recognizable that their very presence can become distracting. When I saw her I wasn’t thinking, “that’s Alia”, I was thinking, “oh it’s Anya Taylor-Joy again.” Also I don’t think she resembles Chalamet, Ferguson (Lady Jessica) or Oscar Issac at all. I would’ve gone with Rooney Mara instead. Subtle otherworldy appearance, capable actress and looks like she could actually be related to the rest of the cast. Same issue with Walken, he’s so well known that I can’t see the character past him. Great actor, love the guy, but as the Emperor? He did well by subduing his trademark delivery but I found him to be a solid “meh” as far as casting goes.
@JayRacerАй бұрын
1st I watched your Acolyte trailer commentary, then your Shogun review, now this. SUBBBED!
@tommyslavic8982 ай бұрын
Still prefer Lynch's 1984 version. Sting was epic as Feyd-Rautha.
@hopefullyanonymous34662 ай бұрын
The super cut lynch version on KZfaq here is actually super good
@smallbones132 ай бұрын
I would like the add that "the visuals" are not the "superficial" part of a movie. They are as important as the writing. It's a movie review not a book review.
@tstockel2 ай бұрын
Perhaps the issue with the Harkonnens is they simply didn't see Paul coming. They had all these well laid out plans that were perfect to take down a rival House. But a messiah leading a holy crusade, one who knew intimately how the Lanstraad functioned, who understood the Harkonnens? That's a threat they likely didn't see coming. Or, that's me coming up with an excuse for poor writing. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing the film in theaters now. Thanks, CD!
@jfruser2 ай бұрын
Messiah leading a holy crusade, Spanish Inquisition, no one sees 'em coming. Would not be surprised to see Paul ride a worm not all gothic desert teamster-like, but resting in a comfy chair.
@anothersimulacrum33212 ай бұрын
I shit you not, there is a Monty Python joke in the movie, actually...
@PhoenixRiseinFlame2 ай бұрын
Well the Kwisatz Haderach can literally prepare for all future actions, so no planning on the part of the Harkonens would stop Paul and his Holy War. The Golden Path had to be followed
@Hi-pl5rx2 ай бұрын
I think the Harkonnen’s arrogance is what led to their downfall. They did not see that they were just puppets being used by the Emperor and witches. This being said, they also mightily underestimated the power of the fremen. In the first film, the Harkonnen estimates claimed there was 50,000 total fremen. Also they claimed the south was uninhabited. They didn’t think them an actual threat capable of causing their demise. Once they knew Paul wasn’t dead it was pretty much too late for them. It was their arrogance that caused their defeat
@Invictus12932 ай бұрын
Not trying to spoil anything, but the Beast Raban clearly is effective at terrorizing populations but inadequate as a military commander. It logically made sense and made room for Feyd to step in who already out ranked Raban. Throughout the whole movie they show the Baron is basically crippled for life after Letos poison and isn’t capable of leading an army. Another thing is that they constantly bring up how the southern part of Arrakis is unsurvivable because of the rediculous storms which made sense. Like they can’t even harvest spice there so why fight for the territory, how do you monitor what’s not even on the surface if you have satellites?
@OnimeNoPhil2 ай бұрын
"mostly faithful?" Not really at all.
@thagomizer848529 күн бұрын
I have some gripes with this movie: why did Duke Harkonen and later the Emperor personally go to Dune? Why didn't they just rain the nuclear weapons down on the Harkonen base? How did the Harkonen know which mountain to blow up? Why did the Harkonen think the south was uninhabitable, despite every shot of it being exactly the same as the rest of Dune? If there were thousands of Fremen tribes, why was it so trivially easy to conquer the North? Why didn't Batista's character attack the magic mountain? I get that Drinker likes the movie, but I get a bit of a feeling that he's giving it an undeserved pass just because it doesn't have much of The Message.
@n.s.360928 күн бұрын
Same. The book clearly states that using nuclear bombs is forbidden and lists reasons why (I don't remember why South was unhabitable, sorry). Too many interesting things about Diune (how Fremen got there, their ecological plan, manats, water on the planet) were removed from movies. Not to mention a complete butchering of characters such as Chiani (who behaves as if she didn't grow up in the society and doesn't know any norms), Stilgard or Jessica. The scene with the "water of life" and prophecy about Chiani's name... it was all added by the scriptwriters (which is why it's such a shit). I think people praise this movie way too much simply because, as you wrote, it doesn't have too much of The Message.
@EmptyGlass992 ай бұрын
The first movie was fantastic, really looking forward to this one.
@thomash32182 ай бұрын
I have saved so much money on not watching crappy movies for a while, so this time we treated ourselves to a nice dinner first and then Dune2 in a packed theater. This was nice! Thanks Dennis Villenuve
@HomeSweetWisconsin2 ай бұрын
Just saw Cabrini last night. The drinker must review it!
@prandtlmayer2 ай бұрын
Just watched it. That's a movie that stays with you, way after you have seen it. I am glad I got to appreciate it at an IMAX