5 feet of the armor penalty is removed if you meet the Str threshold for the armor you're wearing. So Kelly's dwarf could still have a 20 speed.

Love seeing the difference in Monty's and Kelly's laptops

I tend to prefer pathbuilder for making a character, but I'm glad you two are having fun.

I would really like to see Jill and Joe make their 2E characters too. They bring different perspectives and methods to characters. Please do a video with them.

I am noticing Kelly talking about free heal spells when the number of free heals is 1 + Charisma… and his charisma is -1

As someone who has switched from 5e to PF2e since the OGL drama and complete loss of any respect for WotC, it's awesome to see you guys doing Pathfinder stuff! I'm a big fan, and it's awesome to see you covering other great systems. I hope you keep enjoying the stuff! I myself have been having a blast!

I gotta say, I’m really impressed with the character creation process here. I love the way the ability scores all start at 10, and increase based on choices. It really seems to make your character super unique and customizable

something to note about ancestral boosts at 11:00 is that you gain three boosts but one flaw and one of them is free to choose anything. the two boosts is two boosts anywhere but no flaw.

My first "how this pf2 character building works?" character was a giant instinct goblin barbarian with high str and second highest was charisma. The only tactical character building mistake I saw was to let the cleric with a -1 on char. Because you calculate your daily free heal spells based on those. Other than that, both characters were perfectly cool and awesome!

Having my first Pathfinder session 0 Sunday! So hyped, leaning towards playing a Thaumaturge. Such a cool class.

It’d be fun to watch you guys play PF 2E with Colby or just the normal crew. Very interested in this system. Just the starter kit adventure would be great. Pathbuilder is another great tool to build characters too. NotNat1’s covered this character builder. Fun to see awesome nerds helping us new players

Only the Core rulebook options are available for free, which is fine, just be aware that all this is, is DnD Beyond for Pathfinder (and other games, coming soon). That could work well for some people but know that there are other character builders out there that give you more options at no additional cost.

I love the aesthetic differences between Kelly “so many stickers you can’t tell the laptop’s original colour” and Monty “so clean and pristine it looks new”

My family got the Beginner Box last Christmas (2022), so we started playing PF2 even before WotC's OGL debacle. I DM and my kids created a halfling bard and a cavern elf sorcerer as their first characters instead of playing the pregens included in the box. The sorcerer is loaded up with lighting based cantrips and spells, so that provided a theme/flavor from level 1 for that character. The bard is leaning towards the rogue archetype and feats as a matter of survival now that we are moving on to play Troubles in Otari.

25:14 Monty's greedy happy smile when he will get his rogues weapon boosted by Kelly's ability

Something that you might not know, Monty and Kelly, is the reason there are so many Heritages is because they are including Versatile Heritages, which are available for ALL Ancestries. But Ancestry-bound Heritages are never too many. Versatile Heritages is just a fun way to play with "Hybrid races", like have you ever wondered what a Werebunny Orc would look like? x9. My first character in PF2e was a Druid. I like how Druids can do a bit of a lot of things and still feel reliable. I played with both Wild Shape and an Animal Companion, but I went more for Wild Shape. I also loved that I could reliably deal damage with spells, heal and be a frontline martial while using druid.

Not sure if someone posted but Gimli's quote is “I'm wasted on cross-country. We dwarves are natural sprinters! Very dangerous over short distances!” Good stuff.

I couldn't help it, I had to make one along with them

Glad to see you guys are enjoying PF2e! I'm looking forward to getting back to PF after so many years away.

As someone who's venturing into 2e in a few weeks, I'm so hyped for this video!

Cool video, but just a thing about the Cleric, it's a bit MAD, and it's generally not recommended to dump CHA, because an important ability is based off of CHA, it's still playable if you dumpit but it's better if it's positive, I've even seen people argue that it's better to have CHA as your highest stat over WIS, not saying you did it wrong or anything, just saying so you keep it in mind.

Love the layout of Demiplane. I’ve been using PathBuilder and highly recommend it - definitely a more finished product - but Demiplane is probably more aesthetically appealing to most people. Excited for more Pathfinder content from y’all!

I just hope they love it enough to make a drakkenheim adaption for 2E. They have some cool content.

oh wow, i would love to see more pathfinder form you guys! Pathfinder 2e really needs more youtubers that have some sort of focus on flavor and roleplay options. The way you guys described some 5e characters and classes really sold me on them when i still played 5e

Glad to see them having fun. Character building is one of the strengths of Pathfinder. Two characters of the same class can end up wildly different.

I'm just hoping some established content creators stick with Pathfinder videos. I've seen so many that quit after a few videos because DnD is just more popular. But the irony is that DnD is more popular because they have so much content out there for it...... .... but people often make content for it because it's the most popular system. It's a cycle. I think there's an untapped market in established dnd content creators doing deep dives into playing the game and making comparisons. "2e Champion vs 5e Paladin", "2e Inventor compared to Artificer", the many "Differences in how Fighters play"

Pathfinder 2e is excellent. Welcome aboard! I'm branching into Starfinder these days. Love the science fantasy setting. Wish more KZfaqrs would make Starfinder content.

My first two characters (I made them at the same time) for pathfinder 2e was a Gnome Alchemist & a human monk. I've always been dissapointed by 5e's version of the Alchemist, so it was a pleasure to really dive into the crafting system of 2e with a class dedicated to it. I will admit that it turned out to not be my style in the end, but it felt intuitive enough to feel like it did the character justice compared to the Alchemist Artificer from 5e. The monk was a completely different story. I only really use 2 classes in pathfinder now, and both of those are the monk (strength based & dex based), I've always been a big fan of MMA & Pro Wrestling and the 2e system does a much better job representing the fisticuffs/grappler playstyle I always wanted for the monk.

Much appreciate in walking through the pathfinder stuff. I do look forward to more.

I loved watching you two building rpg staples like elf rogue and dwarf cleric and still make them your own. I would love to see a follow up sometime where you dig into the classes and ancestries that are pf exclusive -- I feel like I need to see your raw reactions when you read up on the Shoony, Leshy, Conrasu ancestries and more. Or classes like Investigator, Gunslinger, and Magus. Also can't wait to see you learn about archetypes and the vast amount of character building options it opens up.

LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!

Monty's PC gameplay style by his own description is basically "Tell me your favorite thing is all the DM tricks without telling me your favorite thing is all the DM tricks" 😂

The first real PF2 campaign I’m in I’m currently a Swashbuckler and it’s a blast. They get a surprising amount of skills so I’m able to be our face and do a sneak/thievery from time to time. Very good damage output and the different ways to gain panache (the mechanic behind a Swashbucklers damage, kind of like sneak attack but also buffs moment speed) I can move around the map, do good damage and demoralize my enemies to set up my fellow PCs and set myself up for more of that good damage. Also with +10 health every level up so they make decent front line with good light armor and a decent CON modifier.

I really appreciate the enthusiasm that you guys have when building your characters. Its a fun process! I'm hoping you'll do more PF2 videos in the future. Thanks for the vid!

It's great to see you guys branching out from D&D. I really would love to see you do a Cypher System video one day as well! :-)

So, Monty's character is nearly spot on to what i made for a rougue, though i went thief racket. Gotta love adding dex to damage... However, I would've went way different with a cleric. I made a lizardfolk warpriest, with the claws ancestry feat, and developed a lizard folk protector god of the clutch, whose holy weapon are natural claws, giving her 1d8 claw attacks. At 2nd level, took the druid dedication. (We play with free archetype feat, highly recommend...). For stats. Went wisdom (obviously), charisma second (with the +1 thats 4 free heals in the font), then Strength. Also went with field medic background, for free battle medicine at 1st level. But, that's just me. As always, play what is fun for you, right? Love your channel, guys! Keep up the great work!

I've recentely discovered this channel and hopping from video to video. My new hobby is guessing: "What will Kelly's hair look like today" and "Who has the best shirt?"

I just GM’d my first game ever, and it was the beginner box. The party is meeting again next Saturday it was so much fun 👍

Pathbuilder is an amazing online tool to use for character creation and It’s free for basic use! The only time you need to pay is if you want access to some optional rules, but other then that you don’t need to pay for anything!

Thank you for walking through this. I've been considering starting a pathfinder game as a DM, but I've never even built a character. This was a very helpful step by step process.

I don’t know if monty noticed but as a scoundrel rogue, your key ability score is actually charisma instead of dexterity. Each racket has a different key ability score. Thief is dex. Mastermind is int. Ruffian is Str.

I just started playing PF2e last night, I'm glad these two have started their game too, I've been watching their 5e content for years

I think a great use for one of the rogue's many skill proficiencies is Medicine. Yeah his wisdom isn't going to be great, but having a backup healer is useful and the opportunity cost for a rogue is so low. Sometimes the cleric is the one who needs to be Stabilized. Sometimes you are on the clock and having two guys that can Treat Wounds gets you moving in half the time.

Its important to remember that the number of devine font spell slots you get is 1 + your CHR mod. With a -1 mod, you have zero devine font spell slots for the Heal spell. A good way to fix this is to either swap the +1 you put into Dex into Chr instead, and if you want more than 1 devine font spell slot to start the game, use the two free ancestry stat boost option and take STR and WIS and start the game with a lower Con (the 1 hp per level you will miss out on wont matter much early and you can take Toughness gen feat at lvl 3 to make up for it).

I think when you're doing a video on Pathfinder you should introduce yourselves as the Pathfinder pals

I like going traditional for the first time experiencing a new system. I always order the same entree when trying a new Chinese restaurant. It establishes a baseline. :)

Hooray! I'm so glad the Dudes are including Pathfinder content! Hope you'll eventually create your own campaign setting. Yeah, different from Drakkenheim. I love that one, but it's very 5e-ish. I hope to see something new.

Loving the alternative RPG coverage! Would love an Aliens 3-shot

the free ability boost for the dwarf was because you picked the default one. Every ancestry (Except humans) has one free boost in there default boosts, that why you got a flaw there, because you got 3 boosts. For example if the elf would have chosen the default option he would have gotten a boost in DEX, a boost in INT, a flaw in CON and a free boost.

Path builder 2e for Android and the web, and Wanderer's Guide (also web) are also excellent options for character building!

Glad you're doing more pf2 content

My first character took me 10 seconds to come up with. Investigator + Ratfolk = The great mouse detective!. Mix in in blessed one, lore oracle archetype and medic and I was the party skill monkey, archer, healer and I could use divine spells to augment my investigations. My rat familiar got masters form and e would play disguise nonsense. I miss Rono and Roko...

Really REALLY liked this video!! Thanks to you I will check out Demiplane. Hope you keep making PF2 content.

I’m really interested in switching to P2e for my groups and students. Please run a one off, short campaign or any Drakenhiem vignette you feel appropriate. Love to see Monty run group with his three main partners in crime. Maybe an expansion of one of the adventures created during the pandemic. A one off with the queen of thieves would be very cool. Have the crew be part of her entourage. New characters Love to all 🐺

Nonat1s" also tried this character builder. You may want to check out his experience too. Really want to get into PF2E, and I hear they're doing a rework due out around November.

Been waiting for this one 👀 Excited to see what you dudes come up with!

Really glad to see y’all venture into Pathfinder!

One thing about ability scores, you briefly talk about starting with a less than 18 in your key ability. In math in PF2E being very different from 5e, starting with a 16 or something is actually a huge handicap.

Came for an intro to a new platform. Stayed for the cool shirts

Nice video. Looking forward to more Pathfinder 2e material.

I'm a little late but I'm loving seeing you branch out into more games. And I'm enjoying Pathfinder so far! My first character is a frilled lizardfolk champion of the God of Gym Bros. Big Himbo Energy.

My first PF2 character is a Gnome Bard. He is a great force multiplier for the Half-Orc Fighter and Human Monk that form the front line. They crit more often with the +1 to hit I give them. Currently level 6.

I need both of your shirts ASAP PLEASE!!!

You should really repeat this process with Wanderers Guide (with different characters maybe)

That's one thing why I love Pathfinder over Dnd5e... really feeling like you are building a unique character. So nice to custom build a lot easier vs 5e

I've heard people talk about Demiplane before but I have never actually used it but my goodness it looks clean as hell.

I would love to see you guys do a Pathfinder campaign. It's actually a great game.

More filters would be useful for all categories.

Great video yay for pathfinder

Excited to see more P2e content from the Dudes!

Kelly, that shirt is the revenge of the 80s by way of cubism and I love it.

Fr Kelly going to love the PF2 Remaster for the Warpriest doctrine. Hitting people and healing ✨️ in fluid movements

Congrats on these awesome newb characters!! you're making me want to play All the things All the time!! love your stuff!

Ive recently bought one of the pathfinder video games, looking forward to create a character there and start a new adventure.

Good to see you on a new Path double D’s. I’ve have such a fun time creating new characters. Mostly based on cool models that I find

Yeaa, more pf2e!

The first character I made for PF2e was an Undine Catfolk Rogue Thief, a catfish if you will :3

Notably you can intimidate another creature that doesn't understand you, but your intimidation check takes a -4 penalty.

They're finally making their own version of Beyond! That will really help. Certainly encourages me... now... all those books to buy. Oh boy.

I love the different laptop styles. One is fully decked out in stickers and one has none.

I love how Kelly's laptop is covered in stickers and Monty's is pristine out of the box looking 😂

Finally!

I'm digging these Pathfinder videos. It's a system I've been wanting to try for a while, being almost solely 5e for years. Question though: how hard would it be to shift a Drakkenheim campaign into a P2e game? I want to run Drakkenheim with my friends soon and would love to also be able to do Pathfinder with it if that's possible.

Nice shirts Dudes!

Really hoping to see a Swashbuckler in the group if they roll out a PF 2E game post Drakkenhiem. I've fallen in live with this class, and am hoping to be able to find a PF 2E game soon to try one out.

I had never heard of “proficiency without level”. That’s awesome. I think bounded accuracy is so much better than the treadmill/arms race approach. Now I just have to convince my group… 😂

I will SO jump onto that site when they include Dragonbane😁 Mallards and Wolfkin ftw!

I always use the two boosts variant because not all ability flaws are equal. Elves (and, I believe, kobolds) are royally screwed over in PF 2E if using the ability flaw option because their ability flaw is CON. If you're playing, say, a goblin, you can take the hit on WIS and just avoid WIS-dependent classes and except for some skills and the odd Will save, you'll be fine. This means you get to put your free boost wherever you like. If you're playing an elf, you do not have the luxury of doing that because CON is vital for everyone unless you have a death wish. An elf will almost certainly end up putting the 'free' boost on CON so it at least doesn't get a negative modifier, so effectively, playing an elf means paying a boost tax.

I spy a portrait that is straight up a racoon and I LOVE that

So exciting to see you guys dive into Pathfinder. This is the second time I've seen someone build in Nexus and I don't know why anyone would pay money when Pathbuilder is right there for free.

Kelly over here like "Man, I'm so tempted by all these choices! But I said I'm gonna play a stereotype and darn it, I'm sticking to it."

I was beaten to the punch but the laptop difference is iconic.

See it's times like these I feel behind on TTRPGs. Because I got into D&D a couple years ago and have failed to find in person groups. I'm hesitant to try online just because of how sketchy people can be online. And now there's other TTRPGs I want to try. I feel like I'm catching up on all of 5E still and there's so many of those that I want (I like my physical copies). Now D&D is doing a 5.5 w/e it's called, I want to try Pathfinder, and Starfinder, and Alien, and Call of Cthulu. Heck I got the Power Rangers TTRPG and there's a lot cool in that I want to try out. It just feels overwhelming.

Been playing kingmaker on pc and love a scaled fist/sorcerer build.

It's worth noting that although there are a LOT of options, they are all balanced against each other so there is much less pressure to choose the "correct" ones than 5e. Systems mastery in PF2 comes from choices in play, not choices on the character sheet

Thank you for your video

Super excited about this one

Just Remember Kelly Prepared Casters and Spontanious Caster function VASTLY diffrent then they do in 5e Prepared Casters while you can swap spells like normal a prepared caster, however if you put Bless once like ya did and magic weapon like you did that means you can only cast EACH OF THOSE SPELLS ONCE PER LONG REST, You cant cast Bless twice because you only prepared 1 Bless spell you have to use both your spell slots to list Bless in both of them in order to cast it more than once, same goes for Magic Weapon. So RN you can only use both Bless and Magic weapon only once per day. Spontanious Casters work just like they do in 5e you have a # of spell slots and you can cast any spells you have memorized. their is a Divine Spontanious Caster in the form of the Orcale, but that class is VERY complicated for a New player to pathfinder 2e. Also Occultism deals with any spells involving mindcontrol or manipilation of thought and are primarily used by Bards.

More PF2 ! We want to see you play !

If Monty likes Rogue with the Demoralize action you should take Swashbuckler with the Braggart fighting style which specializes in demoralizing your foes to gain Panache (swashbuckler sneak attack) Im making a poppet Teifling for this based on my time as a haunted house worker