Dura-Ace Killer? | Sram RED AXS vs Shimano Dura-Ace R9200

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Sram has launched the latest generation RED AXS groupset. This groupset sits at the top of the brands product line for the road bike category and represents the best of what the American company has to offer. Sram claim its new groupset has improved shifting and braking performance while also being lighter. Joe Baker decided to put this to the test by directly comparing it to it's closest rival from Shimano - Dura-Ace. He has compared the groupsets against a number of different categories including but not limited to weight, ergonomics, price, shifting, braking and technical features. Let us know, which would you pick?
00:00 - Intro
00:38 - Weight
02:10 - Shifting
04:05 - Braking
05:39 - Ergonomics
07:47 - Aesthetics
08:20 - Features
09:49 - Powermeter
10:54 - Price
11:44 - Verdict
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@samguan5236 2 ай бұрын

Folks, pls don’t forget that cycling is affordable if you want it to be… I’ve been working on a lot of Ultegras and DuraAces on friends bikes and perceive cycling to be expensive. Recently I worked on an entry level bike and able to replace an entire crankset/cassette for under $120, I had an awakening that there are really affordable groupsets out there that work really well for most of the people. These high end products are there in every sports…it’s really designed for the pros and it falls in the ‘wants’ rather than ‘needs’ for most normal folks. Before you bash SRAM or Shimano, note that they do manufacture really affordable options that work really well as well.

@ageofsigmar7236 2 ай бұрын

skyrocket price! I believe my 105 DI2 is good enough

@NeoPayneHK 2 ай бұрын

agree with the price but with the FD design. i think ultegra or dura ace do better~

@HeyWattsUpCycling 21 күн бұрын

105 di2 is identically shifting performance if you run a DA chain and cassette with it.

@JayLato 2 ай бұрын

The “killer” in titles is obnoxiously old.

@lukepowell1201 2 ай бұрын

This was one of the better groupset comparisons I have seen with direct candidness and key pieces of information I have not heard elsewhere such as the 80 millisecond delay for sram shifting. Good video.

@todddonovan9780 2 ай бұрын

Let's see...SRAM drivetrains "feature" smaller chainrings and when I wear out the small chainring I have to buy both chainrings and possibly a power meter. What a great idea! Or I could buy Shimano and when my small chainring wears out I can replace it with any number of options for $30 - $50.

@GregTitcume 2 ай бұрын

Sram chainrings last for years, there will be a new groupset out again before you ware them out.

@greggsiegal7731 Ай бұрын

I've got 40k km on my Red eTap with original chainrings. Just keep ur chain clean and you won't wear them out.

@blorg8206 Күн бұрын

SRAM have an exchange program where you can trade in your worn chainrings for a half price replacement. They do last a very long time, I am on Shimano but have only once in 30+ years replaced a chainring on a crank I had from new. The bigger issue IMO is it limits your changing ratios.

@andersnyberg4034 2 ай бұрын

I have never had any problems except my first ride with SRAM etap in 2018, when a mechanic didn't install it properly. Since then no problems at all and today I even use 53 and 34 front chainrings. Those who say they are shit didn't set them up properly.

@ELMARIACHI13 2 ай бұрын

Dura Ace is way better than SRAM.Would never use any other Groupset than Shimano,yet hoping the crankset doesn’t crack.

@Vixen1525 2 ай бұрын

I think both groupsets are overpriced. Especially the new SRAM and the performance benefit you can get per buck. But when money is no object and you want to have the best performance spec wise then just buy whatever you want. But I think in general that those "ultimate groupsets" are aimed to get bought by pro's or some people like that. But I really like the design of the levers of this Groupset. Especially of the brake levers.

@grzegorzkozminski631 2 ай бұрын

It is worth mentioning that SRAM includes Hammerhead Karoo in the price. So in reality Red is 400 GBP cheaper than Shaimano.

@MasteringGrappling 2 ай бұрын

Even though the price was less with SRAM he still said it favored Shimano. It’s a joke.

@ozgurinsan 2 ай бұрын

they sell so little hammerhead that they give it for free.

@decoherence926 2 ай бұрын

because hammerhead sucks.

@JibbaJabber 2 ай бұрын

@1:45 Shouldn't 160mm disc be on front and 140mm on back?

@NeoPayneHK 2 ай бұрын

they should start going to 180mm

@455LT1 2 ай бұрын

Sram never gets credit for have a clutch in the rear mech. It's one of its best advantages over the equivalent Shimano group. I switched my two bikes to SRAM 3 years ago (Rival and Force) and love them.

@skasterenvan3480 Ай бұрын

great review. I just bought both :) my new 3T Strada Italia will be custom build with the DuraAce DI2 group-set. And my other race bike that has today SRAM Force will be upgraded to SRAM RED 2024. My gravel bike today has the SRAM RED group-set. I loving it, except the braking when it is wet. Allot of noice due to that the brake pads are so close to the disk. 'I hope this is slidely better on the new SRAM RED. can't wait until I finally get my hands on both

@bayerr12 2 ай бұрын

I go for Sram, due to the charging. It's easy to have one spare battery in the pocket. No cables, beside the braking hoses.

@AndrewShakespeare 2 ай бұрын

I went SRAM Force AXS. The practicality of the batteries and ease of installing wireless trumped everything else. I'm probably not a good enough cyclist to find tiny shifting differences an issue. I bought a full unused groupset for around £650.

@BikeLife154 2 ай бұрын

What you haven't mentioned is the fact that SRAM cranks never spin freely in any build that I've ever seen which adds extra drag. The 10 tooth cog also adds extra drag and the inbuilt clutch on their derailleurs also adds drag. I own SRAM on my gravel bike and it feels incredibly draggy compared to my gravel bike with Shimano. The braking also on Rival is nowhere near Shimano. I will NEVER buy SRAM again. In fact, I want to sell the SRAM equipped bike!

@petersouthernboy6327 2 ай бұрын

Your crank issue is the bike frame manufacturer issue - not SRAM. Making the bottom bracket hole round and concentric is kinda important

@BikeLife154 2 ай бұрын

@@petersouthernboy6327 I disagree. I’ve seen many top end builds with SRAM where the cranks hardly spin. Then compare them to Shimano and it’s night and day. The issue is SRAM dub.

@petersouthernboy6327 2 ай бұрын

@@BikeLife154 LOL, I race gravel here in the US. You’ll see more SRAM than Shimano - including for racers like me who are sponsored by their own wallets.

@BikeLife154 2 ай бұрын

@@petersouthernboy6327 What's so funny? Just because you race gravel you know more? 😂 I do most of my own mechanics including swapping out BBs and cranks etc. I even recently installed bb30 bearings again and a cannondale crank on my old CaadX which is notoriously bad for having undersized bb shells where the cranks hardly spin. Even that setup spins way better than the SRAM dub on my giant Revolt! I bet if you take the chain off your bike and spin the crank it hardly spins! We all know manufacturers cant make a round hole in their frames, but not every frame is bad. But all SRAM cranks don’t spin freely. If you swap to shimano you might win a race and use less energy.

@krisbowditch827 2 ай бұрын

Sram gave me a nightmare in one my biggest races of year, missing gears shifting down the having to shift up again. Going up a steep gradients in a pivotal point of the race, stuck in the wrong gear. Losing time and places. Haven’t been wanting to ride the road bike for a while now. Just frustrating trying to dial in the gears and problem solve the issues. Sram nightmare. Power meter is great though 😁

@Lenser 2 ай бұрын

Is this a big step up from the latest Sram Force AXS?

@BrianMcDonald 2 ай бұрын

If weight is a major factor for you, maybe. If you're looking at braking performance/feel, I think that is the biggest step up from Force (and any other previous SRAM HRD). The hood ergonomics are likely an improvement, and the installation of the shifter brake hoses as well as some of the other components looks easier compared to force. Otherwise, I think everything else is more marginal.

@Cortes19882012 2 ай бұрын

Shimano still has longer battery life.

@fen2453 Ай бұрын

and better durability

@michaelo6870 2 ай бұрын

Both groups are excellent, but have advantages and disadvantages. For us as customers, it's good that we can decide for ourselves what we value more. Personally, I've always ridden Sram, but I decided in favour of Dura Ace a few months ago because nobody knew when the new Sram Red would be available. I have not regretted the decision and am very happy with Shimano.

@louis_sharp 2 ай бұрын

I’ll always run Dura so long as I have a choice

@GrotrianSeiler 2 ай бұрын

Since I’m at the mercy of the tech who will make the ultimate adjustment on my bike, I will go with whatever he prefers to work on. Those who work with these brands for a living are the best judge of which to go with.

@sktang7145 2 ай бұрын

Enjoy your 105, Ultegras Di2 and Sram Rival n Force all you want. They all enjoyed the expensive development of the top of the range Durace n Sram Red. Thank goodness for that.

@abhimawa1 2 ай бұрын

I put reliability as one of top priority ← you know what I mean. Not being slave to equipment

@mohammadtaufek5529 2 ай бұрын

Shimano reliable …..

@__marshie 2 ай бұрын

Video should have finished after shifting performance.

@CycoWarriorx 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like PR piece for SRAM…

@ozgurinsan 2 ай бұрын

definitely

@andersnyberg4034 2 ай бұрын

😂😂 go to where he is sugarcoating shimano's powermeter like it's a great piece of equipment.. then you all change your mind.

@ozgurinsan 2 ай бұрын

so old sram red was very very bad ?

@fen2453 Ай бұрын

yup

@andrewlabat9963 2 ай бұрын

If someone decides on which group they want based on that weight, they probably don't know a whole lot about real cycling... When you use a term a lot, quite a bit, game-changer, any of thatt when describing the differences on the best bikes, wheels, group sets, anything, when talking about the best versus the best, I can't take it seriously. Also shift to hood position, ergonomics, is more individually base then a saddle.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@einundsiebenziger5488 2 ай бұрын

... more individually based* than* a saddle.

@jonathanzappala 2 ай бұрын

What is this company Shram?

@einundsiebenziger5488 2 ай бұрын

Typical British-English speech impediment, same as "heidsh" instead of "eidsh" for "H" and "shed-youle" instead of "scedule" for "schedule".

@jonathanzappala 2 ай бұрын

@@einundsiebenziger5488 ha I forgot about schedule. I felt it was so many times in this one it had to be called out 🤪

@andrewblakesley4202 2 ай бұрын

Blah blah blah. 99% of riders just don't need to spend this much to enjoy cycling. Accountant-led "innovation" only equals higher cost & less durability. If both SRAM and Shimano both delivered an ultra durable and affordable 10-speed groupset for the people, I'd get excited.

@grimvon 2 ай бұрын

Now, Shimano already has Cues - cheap, durable, smooth shifting.

@andrewblakesley4202 2 ай бұрын

@@grimvonbut not sold as a drop bar groupset and not the quality of older 105 groupsets. Cheaper build but higher cost = accountants in charge.

@JibbaJabber 2 ай бұрын

Give it time. Trickle down will eventually come into play

@EverythingsFine82 2 ай бұрын

@andrewblakesley4202 I agree with you. New tech is cool, but nowadays, it all comes with more weight, cost, and is more of a pain to work on. There's nothing wrong with a round tube, external cable, rim brake bike, running 10spd Tiagra.

@daytch9485 2 ай бұрын

Yep, as soon as I could afford cable Ultegra they get rid of it

@piglegluckson9156 2 ай бұрын

SRAM Wins on the most important feature ... Interchangeable batteries : U will always have a spare battery at your front derailleur.

@JibbaJabber 2 ай бұрын

Or, you could just charge your battery from time to time🤔

@ozgurinsan 2 ай бұрын

shimano battery lasts much much longer

@lemonshire1 2 ай бұрын

The new levers are great, but I still much prefer the aesthetics of the Shimano groupset elsewhere

@bingbing3464 2 ай бұрын

I can foresee myself accidentally squeezing the brakes when i put in heavy watts on climbs as i have the tendency to grip hard on the tip of the hoods. Not really a good lever position for the sram.

@fen2453 Ай бұрын

one of my bikes has Di2 from 2015, and my enduro race bike has Shimano Saint brakes that are 12 years old. When Sram components start lasting more than a decade I'll think about their sky high price. Until then I'll stick to Shimano, the toyota of groupsets.

@richardh7774 2 ай бұрын

Let's hope for all the extra cash they are nice enough to provide a proper, 2 port, charger ;)

@saysthetedd 2 ай бұрын

‘Folks from Boulder’ ? SRAM is based out of Colorado Springs

@einundsiebenziger5488 2 ай бұрын

Neither. Sram HQ is located in Chicago, Illinois.

@saysthetedd 2 ай бұрын

@@einundsiebenziger5488 Eh, you're sort of right. We kind of consider Co. Spgs HQ these days.

@aaroiseverything 2 ай бұрын

time to wait till it trickles down to sora 🤣🤣

@acdcoon Ай бұрын

I was able to buy a road bike for the price of either groupset. With money leftover for a gravel bike😊

@JeffShepherdphotos 2 ай бұрын

In a fair few years time, due to the trickle down effect we might be able to afford such tech innovations. Until then I will be keeping my old but work group set.

@matthiasstoll6351 2 ай бұрын

11-34 Dura Ace Cassette compared to a 10-28 Red Cassette. Fair play all around!😂

@glennicol1361 2 ай бұрын

In the country I live... I could buy 2 Merida Reacto bikes with 105 Di2 and it would cost less than this group set...

@treyquattro 2 ай бұрын

it's a little hard to accept that Dura-Ace is subjectively better when objectively (the testing & scoring not exactly scientifically rigorous, but let's go with it) SRAM Red scores 66% higher. That's a hell of a hurdle!

@ericpmoss 2 ай бұрын

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but maybe they think that SRAM wins by 1% in most categories but loses by a lot in some category they care more about. Dunno - it is like reading a comparison of a McLaren and a Bugatti. At >>$4000, it is science fiction for me.

@Haytabike 2 ай бұрын

Sram the best

@kidShibuya 2 ай бұрын

wtf is shram?

@robertpiche5167 2 ай бұрын

Campagnolo 😊

@marcmilne9228 2 ай бұрын

That cross chained drive train next to you is hurting my eyes.

@wong5150 2 ай бұрын

probably applying silca super secret. hah

@michaelritchie1385 2 ай бұрын

I always thought wireless meant… you know…. Wireless.

@MasteringGrappling 2 ай бұрын

How is it possible that this guy still chooses Shimano? SRAM by his own account had more points at the end. It’s like they are being paid by Shimano to say it’s better. SRAM is so much easier to service and live with over Shimano. Bleeding breaks is much easier and less of a mess with SRAM. Removing derailleurs for cleaning is much easier with SRAM. The app is better with SRAM. Ergonomics are better with SRAM, yet he is still choosing Shimano. Its ridiculous.

@marcinstyle85 2 ай бұрын

Shimano all day

@kevinpower5880 2 ай бұрын

I find my 105 di2 to be perfect for my needs. If I had the funds I might be tempted by ultegra but dura ace is probably best left to dedicated racers.

@wiljaq2773 2 ай бұрын

DURA-ACE looks more SEXY …..so they win AGAIN!!!!!!

@einundsiebenziger5488 2 ай бұрын

Can't understand so many Brits' obsession with inserting an "H" where it does not belong. It's Sram*, not "shram" same as "H" is "aidsh*" not "haidsh"! And why can't Sram built a good-looking crankset anymore? That AXS monstrosity looks like an angle grinder from a budget hardware store. And your chain is too short. In the big-big-gear shown in the background the derailleur is almost parallel to the ground when it should be in about a 45 degree angle.

@fen2453 Ай бұрын

charge your shimano with a USB bank in the garage.

@johndef5075 2 ай бұрын

Looks cheap. Dont like the aesthetics. Dura Ace looks better.

@HeyWattsUpCycling 21 күн бұрын

so its the same old GARBAGE as before in a new suit. shimano or nothing. wish sram didnt suck so bad but oh well, ill take all the advantage I can get with other people choosing it.

@user-cx2bk6pm2f 2 ай бұрын

Killer? It's not even a Dura-Ace equal.

@eirikkristine 2 ай бұрын

Dura Ace is the Mac and SRAM Red is an ugly gaming PC

@marcinstyle85 2 ай бұрын

You can buy DA full group set for £2500 which is half of the price these crap sram groupset

@piglegluckson9156 2 ай бұрын

I have no Shimano components on any of my bikes. None! ZERO! SRAM Won everything back in 2015/2016 with eTap. Done. End of all discussions. P.S. Good luck on your Shimano cracked Crankarms recalls.

@KoreaRides 2 ай бұрын

I have one bike with SRAM and wanna sell it. It's a turd-tier groupset!

@nelsonsilva6842 2 ай бұрын

With a title like this you really must be desperate for views!

@scotts6067 2 ай бұрын

$4k is stupid.

@user-tp5ev9iz2m 2 ай бұрын

Ah yes, Schhhhhhhhhhhhhram

@seanism2011 2 ай бұрын

Blah blah blah.

@tenaheffernan1368 2 ай бұрын

Giving SRAM the point for power meter was unjustified based upon your explanation Clearly you were already biased towards SRAM at the outset.

@DavidSaundersPosts 2 ай бұрын

Shimano’s power meter is notoriously inaccurate. SRAMs Quarc has been the best since forever. It’s not even close.

@sworks 2 ай бұрын

Please stop saying SCHRAMMM

@einundsiebenziger5488 2 ай бұрын

The way you spell it, it's be pronounced "scram"😉.

@takuan650 2 ай бұрын

I'll buy a scooter for that price.

@simonassouline1230 2 ай бұрын

Dura ace is King! SRAM is shit!

@petersouthernboy6327 2 ай бұрын

Every World Tour race this year has been won by SRAM

@carefulsum 2 ай бұрын

@@petersouthernboy6327 Pogi is on Dura-Ace...nuff said.

@petersouthernboy6327 2 ай бұрын

@@carefulsum and Jonas Vingegaard is on SRAM. BTW, how many World Tour wins did Shimano get in 2023?

@cupidstunt1975 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like a very well thought out argument….

@hectorpoh5297 2 ай бұрын

Edited. 5k USD. All these SRAM SPONSORED SHIT. SRAM is going to go the way of Scott with this shit. 5K USD for a groupset in this current climate is nuts.

@petersouthernboy6327 2 ай бұрын

Its no more expensive than Dura Ace.

@treyquattro 2 ай бұрын

I believe it's about the same number in USD. Groupsets aren't over $5K. Yet.

@Penalist 2 ай бұрын

There is Force, Rival and Apex. Why get so emotional? FOMO?

@hectorpoh5297 2 ай бұрын

@@Penalist Emotional about the 20 youtube videos from my feed going on and on about the RED groupset? Yeah. FOMO? What are you? 18?

@Penalist 2 ай бұрын

@@hectorpoh5297 42. And fomo is a well-established psychological phenomenon, used extensively in marketing and advertising. And you 'suffer' from it. Bye