well … that‘s why legends set themself apart from self confident non skilled pilots … Brown was a legend, and a humble man … that‘s the difference : skilled and humble

@@doncarlo5 Well said!

My ex co @ HMS FULMAR

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Shame on him. His ego was bigger than his talent.

At Cosford isnt it? Was a few weeks ago, has been for years.

@Stephen.C. Sorry, yes she's now at Cosford.. she's been there since 2016..

The engine quit on his go around!! You can plainly hear it not making power!! Geez....

@@greggrace967 Pilot error. Mismanagement of the coolant system, failure to reduce airspeed for landing.

@@ButchNackley it doesn't matter what caused it, it still remains a reduced power accident.

@@ButchNackley even If it's brought on by poor problem solving and not being a good fit for a bird that rare.

Troll!@@greggrace967

Ray Hanna was a "jet jockey" and he did okay 😉 Most warbird display pilots had relatively low time on each type back then due to operating costs and time constraints. The aircraft were also hour limited because they needed a fairly major check after 50hrs flying and a complete strip down every 100 hours. That was usually done in the winter months. John Allison was an experienced display pilot with time on many warbird types. I flew with him once - in a Messerschmitt funnily enough - and had no concerns whatsoever.

Sir John. Says it all.

Thankyou, and greetings from England. I notice that when Putin threw a tantrum and Ukrainians were fleeing by train, Germans were the first to crowd the platforms, holding up signs saying how many refugees they could provide house room for.

You're going to have to fight together.

yes, together against this the unspeakable despot in Russia.@@tomasinacovell4293

@@tomasinacovell4293 Yes, unfortunately, against the crazy Putin in Russia. We had such a lovely, peaceful time. Now we have to be vigilant together.

@@rookie1525 seems like 1941 has been forgotten...what a crazy idea, high time for war mongers

A lot of people who wear pilot wings are one trick ponies. Unfortunately, a lot of those same people are total a$$hats. 🤠

Did not know this.. thanks for the update ! ;)

A massive understatement if ever I read one!

BG was also not happy when he had to give his 109 to the Brits.. 15:30

Walter, shut up!

@@martinbrode7131 Martin you're shouting again.

Na und? 🤣

Yes i have some more interesting stuff to come

@@251hanomag Fantastic! Looking forward to them!

This video was from a VHS copy I edited at the time. Along with the news items. The original recordings were on S VHS. So till I find the originals, I don`t know what was happening on the rest of this show

I read in the accident report years ago that the pilot asked them not to smash the canopy etc to get him out; he’d turned everything off and was concerned that there be no more damage to the airframe.

As your father did, I equally hate "red tape"

Barnaby: what did Sir John Allison say caused the crash? He came in very hot, it appeared to me. Fast. Landing long. Did he not have power to make a Go Around? Some malfunction? Or was this simply the often seen pilot error? Going to guess: if my name begins with "Sir" I'm not likely to admit I did anything wrong. Somehow it was the machine's fault, right? : ) Oh well, I should pre-judge or be judgmental. Others may judge my own mishap someday. But it probably won't be in a BF-109. Glad you commented. Reminds me old times with my dad at airshows in the SE US in the 70s. Good days gone by. Was blessed to see and hear many a Warbird, but I don't remember ever seeing one of these. The sound starting up was amazing, and the whine of the supercharger on coming out of the chocks, not to mention to high speed passes. The more i think about it . . . what happened, Sir John? He's probably not with us now.

Shouldn't land any plane down wind if you can avoid it, especially a hot rod.

He was attempting a go around and his motor stopped making power. You can clearly hear it. He wasn't a half mile past the runway and Reduced power. NO ONE would do that. That engine was not running right....

@@greggrace967 No, he panicked and messed it up, thats all there is to it.

Whatever......

@@greggrace967 🤣 There's no whatever about it lol, that IS what happened. Sorry if that upsets you.

@@stevewayne1359 The Hans Dittes, Daimler Benz re-engined Ha-112 Buchon was also around in the mid 90`s. I should have some video of it with Black 6 at Duxford. warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66108 vintageaviationecho.com/mark-hanna-pt-4/ And Wiki pages on the Buchon, & Avia S-199 Hispano Aviación HA-1112 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano_Aviaci%C3%B3n_HA-1112 And the Avia S-199 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_S-199

When I started to do airshows more regularly in the mid 1980`s The Germans were a Pilatas 2, and a Bf108. So it was nice to see the Buchon`s !

Highly unimpressive performance from Alison.

@@stevewayne1359jeez you’d think you owned it the way you’re going on. Take a chill pill before you stroke out.

@@Jimmythefish577 If I had owned it it would not have crashed. Clearly you do not realise the importance or rarity of original vintage warbirds

Is it flying? If not it is a waste of time, visiting!

Can it fly again? A shame if it can't. Those old warlords are beautiful

@@Jgasporrap although it looks exactly the same I understand it was repaired to static condition.

I read somewhere it will NEVERfly again.

Jhkk

Seems a little unfair. I met Sir John at Old Warden some time after this happened, he was very interesting to talk to and gave me a good explanation of flying various Shuttleworth aircraft including the Hurricane and Spitfire, together with showing me their very comprehensive pilot reference cards kept in the cockpit with various data on speeds, control settings and other aids to flying. He was very complimentary about the Hurricane, especially its handling which he liked. Maybe if the Bf-109 had some better information for the pilot he would have fared better at Duxford, but the reality is that these are old high-performance aircraft and taking them into the air so they can be seen and heard is a risk but on balance needs to be taken because one day they will not fly again. Remember that the original standard of engine installation in these aircraft was inadequate due to inexperience of the operators, and was not really improved as the service life of aircraft in wartime was often a few hours, it wasn't until much later that measures were put in place to extend the engine life with automatic coolant and throttle/boost control.

Bottom line is if you get in an airplane and take off you had better know how to fly the thing, anything else is just a bunch of excuses. Your boy attempted a downwind landing (why???), floated the length of the runway and missed doing a go-around when he could and should have. And IF he pulled rank to get in that plane.....there are just not enough words insulting enough to describe him. @@BrianMorrison

@@peteredridge9559 = Well said, esp' that latter part = Spot on I wouldn't trust that overpaid & over-rated moron to drive a scooter, or a kid's tricycle How in God's name he EVER reached A.V.M is beyond me - Must've been a Mason, or into "buggery"

Nice final flight... the pilot almost ruined definitly a rare historical piece - and even at risk of brake his neck...

So she has a souvenir for lifetime to remember the 109's last flight!

Any self respecting man wouldn't allow his wife to do a "two way"......

@ R.G.D = You said "I gather the pilot was more concerned about the damage to the aircraft in getting him out" With bitter irony, Allison told them, "DON'T CUT ME OUT WITH THAT AXE , YOU'LL DAMAGE THE AIRCRAFT" What a dickhead !!!!!!! "Um, LIKE YOU HAVEN'T SMASHED THE PLANE UP ENOUGH ALREADY ?" If it wasn't for him, Allison, panicking like a 12-y/o wetting his knickers, this WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED I wouldn't let him fly a desk

You don't understand how a semi-monocoque stressed skin structure works. @@hawnyfox3411 . You brave little hero you, you'd have gone around again with fumes in the cockpit? One thing worse than being abusive online is being abusive and looking like a know-nothing.

He was going to go around and his engine stopped.

@ user-mg4fj7ix8k How many 109s have you flown? Clown.

@@greggrace967 The story at the time was an overheating engine due to the pilot error, i.e., not opening the cowl flaps!

And many died in non combat accidents of many causes !

PILOT ERROR...

Meu também!

Well, this way was close to friendly fire!

Now that is too funny!!! 😂😂😂

Ironic....

Jesper vogcthe UK? ​@@willmartin7293

They're annoying. I saw a video of a Vulcan and all you could hear was the commentator. Luckily there are a few videos of XH558 (?) not at an air show, where you see how wonderful that flies...and that HOWL!!!

Oh, an experienced 109 pilot...😅

The story at the time was an overheating engine due to the pilot error, i.e., not opening the cowl flaps!

All the information you need is in the accident report. It wasn’t an oil line. As for offering the wartime pilot the chance to fly it that’s not true, it was only flown by a select few RAF pilots

@@neilcotten2816thanks for that correction, people just make stuff up, the oil lines, the Luftwaffe pilot too scared to fly it, what crap.😮

So, to you the wind wasn't a factor, hmm, okay Steve Canyon, ha ha

I'd wager those 18 hrs were probably on Spitfires - There's NO WAY he had '18 hrs' on that '109 Allison was like a wrecking ball in a China shop, on steroids Sickening irony is, he told the Camb's Fire crew - "Don't cut me out with an axe, you'll damage the plane" 🤗 Yeah, Right = After you've "concertinaed the fuselage" & almost killed folks on the M.11 - Yeah, right What a clown

@@peterszar the guy was a lousy ex military pilot, what more do you want to know.. Look at him pitch the nose up with no power... moron.

Well this one was going to be retired permanently to a museum after this flight anyway so you still wouldn't have seen / heard it fly even if it hadn't have crashed.

Had a quick Google. Last year there were 2 genuine Bf 109`s flying www.outono.net/elentir/2022/10/25/two-original-messerschmitt-bf-109s-of-the-world-war-ii-still-airworthy/

He had no choice with loss of engine power. Had to get down quickly with no choice of a go around. With what little power he had, he had to make it over the fence and highway.

I see others commenting that it was a forced landing, so he had some kind of system failure or emergency, making a go-around unlikely. Plus, there is a great risk of flipping the aircraft when opening the throttle at such low speed, due to the massive torque produced by that engine/prop. Many WWII pilots died that way. So I guess the lesser risk was to just roll off the end of the runway and hope for the best.

That's what he was attempting. A go around. The engine was overheated and stopped making power.

@@greggrace967 = = A situation bought about ENTIRELY BY THE PILOT HIMSELF He panicked & flapped & bought this all on by himself - open the gills so as NOT to overheat When it did (spill Glycol), he completely lost his composure (& reasoning) & trashed a perfectly good plane Russ Snadden & his team must've been apoplectic with rage

Glycol fumes.

​@@hawnyfox3411precisely. Excellent post. I never saw this sad display until just now. Sickening. Came in too hot off a bank. Much longer, flatter approach needed. Pilot error absolutely.

They are a protected species!

Sadly the RAF idiot was a desk boy!

Apparently, he put himself in it. "Rank has its privileges".

Yeah, my immediate thought was that he came in very fast, and downwind - not a good combination. Must've had some kind of emergency.

Or brainfart

Experienced Bf 109 pilot are you?

@@Jimmythefish577 What a fecking childish response. Anyone is allowed an opinion on any subject without the need for them to be some kind of certified experienced expert.

@@tb100 At last someone is actually thinking. Was a major loss of engine power. Just enough to hop the fence and highway. Position and height when it occurred did not allow approach from the other direction.

He approved himself, I understand. He should have been more aware of the design problems, noticed his own mishandling of the radiator controls, not landed down-wind at high speed half-way along the runway... the list goes on.

Like Seafires on an aircraft carrier :P

^^ A.V.M John Allison WAS tugging himself off AND pulling on the wrong stick Too busy tugging his tiny pink penis 'Joystick', INSTEAD of sorting out the radiator gills From "Oooh, can I have a go at your '109" to "Oh God I've made a F'kn hash of it" Shame he wasn't wiped-out in the crash Laughable what HE said to the Camb's Fire Brigade crew who crossed the ploughed field.... "DON'T USE AN AXE TO CUT ME OUT , YOU'LL DAMAGE THE PLANE" = laughable irony, if ever.... Don't worry Sir John Allison - Anything the Axe WILL do, won't be 1/1000th of what YOU've just caused !! .

This one is a genuine Bf 109 Black 2 is the hybrid one. As seen on this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNJ8a9Of0rbZhqM.html

@@251hanomag Oh ok.Thanks for the correction.

I was wondering why they were pulling the engine through like a radial. I didn't know the engines were inverted in a 109, they were clearing out any oil.

@@rooms1028 The Hispano Aviacion HA-1112 Buchon had originally a Hispano V12, but later a R/R with a 'chin' radiator so had a nose profile similar to the Spit. Whereas The war-time Bf 109 had the DG 605 V12 inverted, hence the noticeably different nose.

He had made the engine and radiators overheat by mishandling of the radiator controls (not putting them into either auto nor open), then he began to lose power, so tried to put a fast plane down more than halfway down the runway, down-wind and the plane suffered his consequences. He might have flown further down the runway, and gained a better chance to land down-wind, but chose not to.

Looked to me like the pilot didn't have much tailwheel airplane experience and didn't keep "happy feet" on the rudders to maintain Bf 109 - Black 6 stabilized on runway centerline.

Bf-109s in general tend to extensively flatten out on the final. German WW II-Ace Erich Hartmann once pointed out on landing they need to be handled like gliders. Just a bit too much speed and altitude makes the runway pretty short hence a tailwind approach is an absolute no-no on a Bf-109. This pilot screwed up pretty much everything beginning by mishandling the engine in flight to cause an overheating situation followed by an overhasty landing attempt while the engine still worked properly.

For whatever reason (tailwind, stress, or a combination of the two) he came in too fast and ran(!) out of runway, plain and simple. The plane kept 'floating' and my guess is that when realizing this he forced the wheels to the ground using the elevator, hoping that the momentary friction would slow the plane down enough to settle on the ground after a bounce or two. It turned out, however, to involve a bounce too many.

Yep, those repeated attempts to get the engine to turn over would have been red flags to me. I kept thinking it's unlikely the Germans would have produced a fighter that was so hard to start, so something is not mechanically right with this plane, or else the ground crew/pilot are doing something wrong.

Bob I had that CD .. bought it at Reno from a gal who told me her husband recorded it with microphones placed just so along the field it was and is amazing!! She heard me asking about John Dilly and took me aside and told me what happened in Oshkosh the week before. John had a heart attack while in a flight "mustang" his parents where my neighbors. I went to school with his son. And promised i would go to Reno and watch him fly the race. I was a year late. But yes great audio on that CD!!

Because Allison was a dickhead who panicked & flapped like a rank amateur rookie He must've "noshed some cock" to get promoted over the years to reach A.V.M or whatever it was

He panicked and tried to land DOWN wind

@@GilbertdeClare0704 Ooh, I just thought in my mind that pilots that were certified to fly war birds weren't the type to panic. But I think your rite. We are all humans. The stress of flying that plane in a airshow would be a challenge. It's a beautifully restored aircraft. I am straight up proud American but I love the BF-109 series of fighters👍 They were beautiful like the P-51, Zero, the P-38, the Spitfire, the Mosquito and so many others.

@@AZAce1064 😊Totally agree re the stress factor, but from other comments, it seems that the "Air Chief Marshall SIR John Allison" "pulled rank" to fly that beautifully restored Bf-109 that day. In US military, that would be like a Five Star General rocking up and "suggesting" he flies. There is another video where you can hear his condescending attitude to ATC as he starts to panic ? It was clearly Pilot ERROR, quickly hushed up because of his Rank and Knighthood. That beautiful bird paid the price for his arrogance. She will never fly again. In the words of a friend of mine who had restored a 1939 Tiger Moth, "Their souls only really come alive when they are up in the air !".......ps👍👍👍for staying PROUD American. I have relatives in Virginia and several good friends in Kentucky and Arkansas👍👍👍... My dad was on Spitfires during BoB, but I still LOVE the P47, P51 and have done aerobatics in PT17 and AT-6, but LOVE that sleek sharklike look of the Bf-109😊😊😊

@@GilbertdeClare0704 Thank you, that makes a lot of sense now👍 Have a good one my friend ✌

No, there's some of us who like to know the facts of a case before pronouncing judgement still around.

Geared from the higher crankshaft en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_605

Once that crankshaft got bent, it was game over for ever trying to repair. Nobody makes crankshafts for Bf-109's anymore. 🤠

Could have been a problem with the flux capacitor....

@@timrussell9869 dilithium crystals issue..............

^^ Congrats R.G = Comedian in the room.... Given that Me.109's & in particular "Black.6" has ZERO "carburettors" it's an impossibility Fuel Injection = No carb's

I stand by my statement. They should have mounted one on Black 6, paired alongside the flux capacitor.@@hawnyfox3411

Maybe the overhead timing fell in the sump…@@hawnyfox3411

What being flown by an incompetent idiot?

I flew for the Fuhrer - but Johnnie Briton -he who was flying for the KING ( in a Mk 14) Spitfire 'twas not Fair ! -

"worlds greatest pilot" syndrome, head up and locked. Sad, all the restoration blood, sweat and tears. I know how it feels. dammit

Thanks for the engine music instead of 'dramatic' music or voiceovers. Would've been nice to have a 'blancolirio' style description of what happened instead of having to pick thru the comment confetti. But nobody died and the aircraft was reworked for exhibit. Good show.

Unlike the Spitfire, the 109 looks like a fighter.

RAF Museum, Cosford