WHY reunification failed football

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4 жыл бұрын

In November 1989, when the Berlin Wall fell, football in East Germany didn't look too bad. Dresden had reached the UEFA cup semis a few months before, the national team had just beaten Olympic champions the Soviet Union, and the league was full of promising talents like Kirsten, Rösler and Sammer.
Fast forward to November 2019, and everything has changed. Not a single team from the GDR first division in 1989 is even close to playing in the Bundesliga. Dresden is struggling at the bottom of second division, and record champions Dynamo Berlin are stuck in the fourth tier alongside former European Cup winners Magdeburg. Other clubs were hit even worse.
How did that happen? Why did German reunification fail in football?
Report by Constantin Stüve
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@komschkomsch5718
@komschkomsch5718 4 жыл бұрын
Union Berlin has already reached the Bundesliga
@alumpy-acho112
@alumpy-acho112 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@KingMori63400
@KingMori63400 4 жыл бұрын
Von Spandau bis nach Hellersdorf, vom Wedding bis Neukölln! Von Zehlendorf bis jwd, gibt’s nur Hertha BSC! Drum merkt euch eins, für alle Zeit, und vergesst es nie! Unioner komm‘ aus Köpenick, Herthaner aus Berlin!
@christaincarvalho
@christaincarvalho 4 жыл бұрын
@@KingMori63400 English please
@KingMori63400
@KingMori63400 4 жыл бұрын
@@christaincarvalho it's just a song about Hertha being the real Berlin club while Union is only from Köpenick, a forest in the East of Berlin.
@komschkomsch5718
@komschkomsch5718 4 жыл бұрын
@@derberliner353 ohhhh der hat gesessen😂👍
@ewanlaux4591
@ewanlaux4591 4 жыл бұрын
Well, RB Leipzig can’t count because the club has been founded after the reunification
@xavermeier8357
@xavermeier8357 4 жыл бұрын
Well technically it wasn't even founded like a real club. They bought the license from Markränstadt and turned it into a marketing product.
@mariop8101
@mariop8101 4 жыл бұрын
@@xavermeier8357 Much better than PSG or Man City. I would love if Red Bull created a team in my town, to fill the void of my team that is on a Zombie state, since the start of the TV paywall here on Portugal, only 3 teams are considered, the rest are bankrupt.
@imda77
@imda77 4 жыл бұрын
I personally like Red Bull investing into football. Spices up the competition. Hopefully they will be able to compete with german top clubs in a couple years
@TheEvapiiShow
@TheEvapiiShow 4 жыл бұрын
@@imda77 no they won't. 50+1 is still a thing and Bayern hold a monoply.
@iliaz7057
@iliaz7057 4 жыл бұрын
@@mariop8101 isn't a club named Famalicao doing good in the league. I read this club is collaborating with Jorge Mendes and so have money. Or all this is just a bubble and that won't last long
@matiasbrachini8741
@matiasbrachini8741 4 жыл бұрын
To be honest, even the West Germany clubs can't compete in the Bayernliga.
@lukasartinger
@lukasartinger 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt it, they can easily compete in the fifth division of Bavaria... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayernliga
@salviniusaugustus5541
@salviniusaugustus5541 4 жыл бұрын
Borussia?
@adambenali3852
@adambenali3852 4 жыл бұрын
Ahahahahahaah 😂😂😂 im dead man
@EstebanMataVargas
@EstebanMataVargas 4 жыл бұрын
It seems that finally this season, after a long time, competition is back in the Bundesliga.
@---mx7lc
@---mx7lc 4 жыл бұрын
Lukas Artinger 😂
@fradinetienne712
@fradinetienne712 4 жыл бұрын
The point you're trying to make around 9:00 is kind of misleading: In the 2014 world cup team, Kroos was the only one born in East Germany, meaning he is the only east german to win the world cup, ever. There were more people born in Poland in that squad...
@golDroger88
@golDroger88 4 жыл бұрын
And yet he was and is by far the best player.
@BadassBikerOwns
@BadassBikerOwns 4 жыл бұрын
...and Turkey
@Christian45138
@Christian45138 4 жыл бұрын
@@golDroger88 Our best Player in the 2010 decade was Lahm or Schweinsteiger. They were the Leaders in the 2014 world cup. Definetely not Kroos.
@fradinetienne712
@fradinetienne712 4 жыл бұрын
@@BadassBikerOwns I might have missed that, I only saw 20*West Germany, 2*Poland and 1*East Germany
@Jantjeboskamp
@Jantjeboskamp 4 жыл бұрын
@@BadassBikerOwns those turkish players were born in germany
@slowmikespace
@slowmikespace 4 жыл бұрын
Although Italy it's unified from 1861, the italian football league mirrors the same situation: with all the economical power moved from south to north, when football born here the teams founded from Rome to Palermo didn't got much success or titles: we waited something like 80 years to see Napoli win a title (from Campania); other clubs like Bari, Catania, Lecce or Avellino rarely appeared in Serie A, and if we count the clubs that took part at least 1 time in the major league that belong to south Italy we see only 14 teams on 67 (which is the 20%). The reality is that there's still no interest in bringing some wellness in this area and we still wait to economic benefits, that clearly could improve the sport (and in this case) football system.
@RaGeAlucard
@RaGeAlucard 4 жыл бұрын
but atleast you had Maradonna.
@remdy3839
@remdy3839 3 жыл бұрын
Germany also was unified in 1871 but we got Split up in 1946.
@carlomariamizzi8387
@carlomariamizzi8387 2 жыл бұрын
to be fair, no economic power "was moved from south to north", southern italy didn't have economic power to begin with if compared to the north (the situation got worse after wwII). And 20% representation (14 teams on 67) is quite fair if you think that only 20% of italian population lives in the south
@tamborero88
@tamborero88 2 жыл бұрын
@@carlomariamizzi8387 The center is superior to the north.
@mattf9627
@mattf9627 Жыл бұрын
It’s more then just football, I’ve been to Sicily and am a fan of Palermo, basically south Italy as a whole is just less advanced then the north, due to most Italian revenue coming from north Italy. Hopefully this gets fixed though and we can see teams like Palermo and Catania become regulars in Serie A.
@CoherentChimp
@CoherentChimp 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like the East Germans were treated like East Germans instead of getting treated like Germans.
@koushikdas5097
@koushikdas5097 3 жыл бұрын
Bingo. At least someone gets it.
@aroundtheworld2316
@aroundtheworld2316 3 жыл бұрын
They had to be germanized first and remove the unprogressive soviet attitude
@koushikdas5097
@koushikdas5097 3 жыл бұрын
@@aroundtheworld2316 Not Germaning, it's Westering.
@Wellshem
@Wellshem 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty normal, you can just fuse two different country like that. Same language, same history, but the culture and the life style aren't the same anymore. Would be the same if South Korea took control of North Korea
@23GreyFox
@23GreyFox 2 жыл бұрын
@@aroundtheworld2316 That is plain wrong. East Germans never tried to be Russians, but West Germany became more like Americans.
@rafpach87
@rafpach87 4 жыл бұрын
THE problem here was to relegate everybody but two teams. WTF?
@maxjahns9063
@maxjahns9063 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah... better keep Bayer Uerdingen and SG Wattenscheid in the Bundesliga instead of former European Cup champions or finalists like Magdeburg, Lok Leipzig and Jena... seems legit! 🤦🏻‍♂️
@95Lodgey
@95Lodgey 4 жыл бұрын
As an Englishman I found this fascinating. I always wondered why the bundesliga lacked clubs from the east.
@bornesulinowo391
@bornesulinowo391 4 жыл бұрын
It's not by accident. Communism is felonious idea, even for football. This is what destroyed and kills even now my country, Poland. People have trash in their minds. Polish league football is corrupted. Very hard to watch crap. There is still state financing! Wisła Cracovia one of the most prominent Polish club was controlled by street gangs only year or two ago. Most popular Polish football channel on youtube is commenting in satirical and vulgar way Extraklasa legue. Every new year I wonder "where is the bottom?"
@alia7750
@alia7750 4 жыл бұрын
Borne Sulinowo Poland is far from communist moron lol. If anything Poland is right wing.
@bornesulinowo391
@bornesulinowo391 4 жыл бұрын
@@alia7750 I live in Poland and I know what is here, idiot.
@MrHoelderlin
@MrHoelderlin 4 жыл бұрын
@@bornesulinowo391 Seems like you don't. Pretty embarrassing not to know the situation in your own country.
@bornesulinowo391
@bornesulinowo391 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrHoelderlin Pretty embarrassing to take information of Poland from German media. I know "right wing" is a derogatory term in your country because of... you know the best why. But state ruled economy, protectionism, social benefits, cetralisation, growing taxes, adulation of the poorest and unions, equalization is strictly left wing agenda. Prefering state owned large businesses for their cronies and social justice, too. Populism is on the both sides. Kaczynski is socialdemocrat populist who takes handful from Polish communism era. So he is so popular in major group, elderly social oriented Polish society which grown in dark communism. He gives to his helpless people new cash before each elections and win, win, win... Shortly is sombody like Your "Ossie" x10. And your so called Polish "right wing" society is very happy of that. Any else to explain?
@derboss7531
@derboss7531 4 жыл бұрын
Union Berlin is a former eastern club who now plays in the Bundesliga. They are actually pretty compelling at the moment.
@Regisseur95
@Regisseur95 4 жыл бұрын
yeah I'm confused to why he didn't name them and used a plastic club like RB Leipzig as a "positive" example instead.
@MXknowsHow
@MXknowsHow 4 жыл бұрын
they play horrible football tho.
@zombieguyproducion
@zombieguyproducion 4 жыл бұрын
@@Regisseur95 I'm pretty certain it's because while Union Berlin is in the Bundesliga, RB Leipzig is one of the top teams while Union isn't.
@ErsinGaga
@ErsinGaga 4 жыл бұрын
Because Union haven't been playing in the First Division of the GDR in the year of unification. Union have never been a successful while Dresden, Karl-Marx-Stadt, B*C or even Magdeburg are Former Champions and have had runs in the European Cup Back then.
@ErsinGaga
@ErsinGaga 4 жыл бұрын
@Robben Flying Dutchman Well yes in Union"s Case you can. The win in the First Derby in the Bundesliga against Hertha.
@NinhLyUK
@NinhLyUK 4 жыл бұрын
Good video, very interesting to learn about the history of German Football!
@epicrandomperson1998
@epicrandomperson1998 4 жыл бұрын
So this is what Ninh Ly watches in his spare time
@joe972
@joe972 4 жыл бұрын
Ninh Ly I watch your videos! And your travel one too!
@ratedpending
@ratedpending 4 жыл бұрын
Aaaaaaaaahhh my worlds are colliding
@NinhLyUK
@NinhLyUK 4 жыл бұрын
@@epicrandomperson1998 kind of, yeah.
@NinhLyUK
@NinhLyUK 4 жыл бұрын
@@joe972 thanks bro!
@impliedfacepalm8769
@impliedfacepalm8769 4 жыл бұрын
Also Energie Cottbus, who spent 4 seasons (if I'm not mistaken) in 1. Bundesliga.
@henryhafner6425
@henryhafner6425 4 жыл бұрын
6 seasons. 2000/01-02/03 and 06/07-08/09
@brettquiggle2859
@brettquiggle2859 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the writers for this early did not do any actual research.
@thorbend
@thorbend 4 жыл бұрын
they said at this point, so in season 19/20 there is no Team from the first ddr league 89/90 playing. They didnt say there was never an east club playing bundesliga.
@Simmi0312
@Simmi0312 4 жыл бұрын
it gets better and better, but in little steps. the 3.Liga is stacked with East German Teams now .. Halle, and Magdeburg are fighting for the 2.Bundesliga, and so on .. i live in between of both Cities, and the Season Magdeburg was in 2.Bundesliga? the whole Region went crazy ..
@cawab2995
@cawab2995 4 жыл бұрын
And yet many teams are still getting nowhere. Take former Cup final contenders Carl Zeiss Jena. Or Wismut Gera who are the best ever 2. division GDR team and are now 6. league. Or former UEFA Cup contenders Stahl Brandenburg who now play 7. division
@Simmi0312
@Simmi0312 4 жыл бұрын
@@cawab2995 yeah i watched the vid, but thats for whole Germany, west also has so many big Clubs from the past .. who are now gone, and gone forever. Like i said .. it gets better and better, but that takes time, and not every team can make that growth.
@mattpotter8725
@mattpotter8725 4 жыл бұрын
@@Simmi0312 I was just thinking the same. I think the video should have also mentioned that there are a number of clubs from the West that I remember as doing well in Europe that dropped out of the top division and haven't made it back yet, namely Karlsruhe and Kaiserslautern. I do think that the odds were massively stacked against the former East German teams, but I am yet to read what really could have been done to prevent what happened, maybe a more gradual introduction and more control, more East German teams in the top division or some kind of qualifying competition to see who after the top teams should go into the first and second tiers. Once you drop out of the top flight in any league across Europe if you don't have big backing (and even if you do sometimes) it i difficult getting back. East German clubs didn't have the funding so it was always going to take time, but hopefully we are getting there.
@EmolvoYT
@EmolvoYT 4 жыл бұрын
Im happy for Wismut Aue. Erzgebirge ist geil :D
@celebrim1
@celebrim1 4 жыл бұрын
What can be destroyed in 5 years takes 40 years to rebuild. So imagine how long it takes to rebuild what was destroyed over 50 years.
@richardalex4516
@richardalex4516 4 жыл бұрын
Union Berlin is a very respectable club
@xaviwarrior1
@xaviwarrior1 4 жыл бұрын
Where are the neighborhood Union Berlin Stadium?
@AlexanderDora
@AlexanderDora 4 жыл бұрын
@@xaviwarrior1 Alte Scheißhaus Berlin :)
@xaviwarrior1
@xaviwarrior1 4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderDora 👍
@konsta9600
@konsta9600 2 жыл бұрын
the fly in your portrait got me
@elhamburgo6256
@elhamburgo6256 4 жыл бұрын
There is a former GDR club in the Bundesliga now as Union Berlin got promoted this summer.
@beatolympics
@beatolympics 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, but they didn't play in the top division during the DDR-Oberliga's final season in 89-90.
@kardovalencia3908
@kardovalencia3908 4 жыл бұрын
What about Redbull FC lol?
@TheEvapiiShow
@TheEvapiiShow 4 жыл бұрын
@@kardovalencia3908 fake club. In Leipzig there exist only Lokomotive and Chemie!
@elhamburgo6256
@elhamburgo6256 4 жыл бұрын
@@kardovalencia3908 they’re an austrian franchise team located in Leipzig...
@ouinon4394
@ouinon4394 4 жыл бұрын
Hasta la victoria siempre you’re talking about Salzbourg lol
@santiagobauza4257
@santiagobauza4257 4 жыл бұрын
Love the use of So Here We Are by Bloc Party in the intro, great video overall!
@mickmickymick6927
@mickmickymick6927 4 жыл бұрын
Such a great song
@SupaGaza
@SupaGaza 4 жыл бұрын
Was just about to comment this exact thing
@regacc3594
@regacc3594 4 жыл бұрын
the magnitude of work done by this channel is tremendous the linkage between history, politics ... etc with sports is something very few people consider well done!
@SirKnobofCheese
@SirKnobofCheese 4 жыл бұрын
I blame David Hasselhoff.
@mrcsosndr7780
@mrcsosndr7780 4 жыл бұрын
*David Hasselhoff
@jalennewbigging205
@jalennewbigging205 4 жыл бұрын
Michael😂
@emilstorgaard9642
@emilstorgaard9642 4 жыл бұрын
Figuratively speaking, he put the wall back up when he started singing on those cars
@welshhibby
@welshhibby 4 жыл бұрын
He was “looking for freedom” and it all started there
@geraltoffuckingrivia1157
@geraltoffuckingrivia1157 4 жыл бұрын
I agree
@christophermay1868
@christophermay1868 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos that provide narrative to the Bundesliga and German football in general. As an American who is a big fan of the league, it's difficult to find English speaking media that goes over the history of German football compared of course to available media of the EPL, La Liga, and Serie A. Keep coming with the good shit!
@mindflower89
@mindflower89 4 жыл бұрын
I love the reportage, footage, history throwback, highlights split. Good quality, fascinating to watch. Nice quality. Greetings from Russia. Love your work.
@edmundalcock1986
@edmundalcock1986 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. One of the best i've seen on YT
@abhishekghosh4136
@abhishekghosh4136 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Fascinating Football history
@FootyAdventures
@FootyAdventures 4 жыл бұрын
I love videos like these and enjoy learning about clubs from all over the world myself through my channel 🙌 football - best sport in the world ⚽️
@torheim75
@torheim75 4 жыл бұрын
I loved the kind of club names in GDR(1st 2nd tier). Eisenhüttenstädter FC Stahl, Rotation Berlin, Aktivist Schwarze Pumpe etc..
@maximumkillmtg
@maximumkillmtg 4 жыл бұрын
Very eye-opening and informative. Thank you.
@frankmachin5438
@frankmachin5438 4 жыл бұрын
Hey....this was a terrific story....very interesting - thank-you!
@alwaysincentivestrumpethic6689
@alwaysincentivestrumpethic6689 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting piece !!! 👍👍👍
@BaguetteOfDoom
@BaguetteOfDoom 4 жыл бұрын
No. RB Leipzig is NOT an "Ost-Klub".
@cthulhu9033
@cthulhu9033 4 жыл бұрын
well, its a traditional Thing, its not a typical „Ost-Klub“ because they where build up with a fuck ton of money, and replaced a smal club, changing its name, and rising up into the Bundesliga in a few years, changing leauges almost every year, so altough its located in east germany, its not really an Ost Klub, because its has almost no Tradition
@tongyaozhang2580
@tongyaozhang2580 4 жыл бұрын
@demir niue Leipzig is located in Belgium
@FriedrichHerschel
@FriedrichHerschel 4 жыл бұрын
@demir niue When (east) germans talk about eastern clubs, they mean it in a historical and cultural way. To be an "Ostklub", you have to have existed in the GDR. RB Leipzig was founded 20 years later. Yes, geographically, it's in the eastern part of Germany ... as much as Munich or Augsburg (divide Germany purely geograhically in an eastern and western half, Bavaria has to be on the first).
@stthcnths
@stthcnths 4 жыл бұрын
RB Leipzig is an austrian Club.
@Nubsie1990
@Nubsie1990 4 жыл бұрын
@@stthcnths its an Austria promotional product ;)
@TheSpookyDuke
@TheSpookyDuke 3 жыл бұрын
Great, great channel, super interesting reportages... kudos!
@henz097
@henz097 4 жыл бұрын
Great video but RB Leipzig are everything except an East German team
@ramieg4693
@ramieg4693 4 жыл бұрын
Henz 0 they are on their way to ruining the bundesliga. Totally unfair what they have done.
@calteckk
@calteckk 4 жыл бұрын
@@ramieg4693 Bundesliga allowed it. Blame them
@ariairta
@ariairta 4 жыл бұрын
@henz sorry to ask you this, but why RB Leipzig not an East German team.?
@Groknatarz
@Groknatarz 4 жыл бұрын
@@ariairta Watch here for a closer look on why RB Leipzig is so hated and not a real east german team. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLeoaMJ_la3Hk30.html
@kevinmattsson5718
@kevinmattsson5718 4 жыл бұрын
@@ariairta I mean, the Club was created after the fall of the wall...
@polyglot8
@polyglot8 4 жыл бұрын
The main conclusion from this video: Bring back the short shorts!
@kazap6690
@kazap6690 4 жыл бұрын
Es ist komisch, wenn ein Deutscher einen Beitrag auf Englisch verfasst.
@nonchablunt
@nonchablunt 4 жыл бұрын
most honest german accent i heard in a while ;)
@terr4byte
@terr4byte 4 жыл бұрын
bodyshaming fürs eigene land.. wörder breimän is se bäst
@iBallz_
@iBallz_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@terr4byte nicht unbedingt "national bodyshaming" aber vermutlich eher ein krampfhafter Versuch ein größeres Publikum anzusprechen in dem man die Beiträge auf englisch bringt. Der Akzent ist aber tatsächlich grauenhaft und ich bezweifle, dass es Sören in Schweden, oder Sam in England interessiert was z.B. aus Dynamo Dresden geworden ist.
@kazap6690
@kazap6690 4 жыл бұрын
@@iBallz_ Exakt meine Gedanken
@regenen
@regenen 4 жыл бұрын
@@ooievaar6756 Helemaal niets mis mee om engels te praten, en door te oefenen kom je ook van een accent af (waar trouwens niets mis mee is)
@tilok.1785
@tilok.1785 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video , great Channel einfach grandios . Grüße aus Deutschland
@pawemazurek2251
@pawemazurek2251 4 жыл бұрын
I think Poland was the same situation like East Germany. Simple remedy for those teams is time. Working with kids, youth, learning from best clubs at west. Put efforts on community around city where the club is situated. Well, I lie to myself, in Poland we cannot make good clubs, people only focus on money jhere, but I wish all good to deutche freunden and hope you will be great cuz I remember watching with my father RUN on rtl and I remember watching Hansa Rostock is bundesliga. Great video. I subscribe this channel :)
@struxnyt3991
@struxnyt3991 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve always been fascinated by big East German clubs not reaching their potential. Being from Scotland I always knew about Dynamo Dresdenand Hansa Rostock. Are these clubs growing their way to the top?
@henz097
@henz097 4 жыл бұрын
Struxn YT not really currently. Hansa Rostock seem to be stuck in 3.Liga forever and Dresden have had a few solid season in Bundesliga 2 but are now at the bottom of the table
@felixplatt3023
@felixplatt3023 4 жыл бұрын
@@henz097 What about Hallescher. They're top of 3.Liga and they're East German. How big a club are they?
@sneirosgaming4753
@sneirosgaming4753 4 жыл бұрын
@@felixplatt3023 last season about 8000 viewers came to their home matches. From my point of view the Hallescher FC is way smaller than Dynamo Dresden, FC Magdeburg or Hansa Rostock, but i am from west germany so i dont really know how big the club is. Halle playes its eights season in league 3 and before that they played from 1993 until 2008 in the fourth league, so you should not expect to much from them.
@felixplatt3023
@felixplatt3023 4 жыл бұрын
@@sneirosgaming4753 Thanks
@dwkickoff
@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын
Uwe Rösler told me he predicts that Dynamo Dresden will play soon Bundesliga again. It's just a matter of time. They have economically stabilized, a big fanbase, good infrastructure. Let's see.
@grahambrake5495
@grahambrake5495 2 жыл бұрын
Dynamo Dresden has been promoted all the way to bundesliga 2 since this video was made
@Mrkolotoure
@Mrkolotoure 4 жыл бұрын
Bloc party in the backround lol I love it
@IvanNOFX
@IvanNOFX 4 жыл бұрын
Eastern Bloc Party
@ezriqnazhif2299
@ezriqnazhif2299 4 жыл бұрын
I know rite!! one of my fav bands
@levantinianmulatto
@levantinianmulatto 4 жыл бұрын
Kolo Okereke
@gaaalallaa2718
@gaaalallaa2718 4 жыл бұрын
FIFA 14 SONG 😍
@keithmcclean4371
@keithmcclean4371 4 жыл бұрын
A very good report
@peterhomann2140
@peterhomann2140 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the better and largely successful attempts to explain the development of football after reunification. However portraying RB Leipzig as a positive example is a big blunder and factually totally incorrect. If anything Red Bull abused the (from a capitalist point of view) cheap opportunities to manufacture a money making machine in the former GDR. I am not an "Ossi" but after the initial enthusiasm about reunification West German arrogance took over and any East German accomplishments were brushed aside. Perhaps there were not too many of those but a reunited Germany had a golden opportunity to (literally) make the best of 2 worlds, not only in football but in society as a whole. However rich West Germany simply saw an easy possibility to become even richer. Child care, women's rights, affordable housing and a general sense of community was left on the wayside. Only now, more than 30 years later some recognize what was lost.
@cawab2995
@cawab2995 4 жыл бұрын
In Leipzig gibt es nur Lok und Chemie! (In Leipzig only Lok and Chemie - Those are the two former big teams from Leipzig who have a great history and tradition)
@blblblblbl395
@blblblblbl395 4 жыл бұрын
Well RB is a young club but I still see a full stadium every home game. Add the success as well and soon Lok and Chemie will be forever gone.
@cawab2995
@cawab2995 4 жыл бұрын
@@blblblblbl395 1. RB seem to always "sell out" although there are always plenty of empty seats in the stadium. 2. Lok has a good chance of reaching the 3. Liga proving that Leipzig can have success without Red Bull. 3. Chemie always get good numbers and a better support than RB
@blblblblbl395
@blblblblbl395 4 жыл бұрын
@@cawab2995 Let's be honest here. You are comparing access in the Champions League playoffs to "good chance of reaching the 3. Liga". Leipzig is relatively big and can surely afford more than one team. Still at the end it is all about the next generations, and currently kids are much more attracted to RB than to Lok or Chemie.
@cawab2995
@cawab2995 4 жыл бұрын
@@blblblblbl395 Good point. Sad to think about all the kids getting brainwashed
@iBallz_
@iBallz_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@cawab2995 Sad to see that some people still don't understand that football is nothing more than a form of business where investors are common and help the national success of the brand "bundesliga". Teams like RB Leipzig and Hoffenheim, and back in the day Wolfsburg and Leverkusen, are helping the bundesliga to grow step by step. Young german players like Kimmich (former RB player), Werner, Halstenberg, and many others were/are able to grow and develope their talent. I am not a fan of any german club but to see what the "new clubs" are doing to help young players is very good for the german football as a whole
@KaitainCPS
@KaitainCPS 2 жыл бұрын
This was really interesting. Thanks.
@wotintarnation8388
@wotintarnation8388 4 жыл бұрын
You guys need to KEEP THIS SHIT UP! What Copa90's been doing as of late is a crime to football on YT! You and the 2 HITC channels are the best!
@lbrasanchoo5290
@lbrasanchoo5290 4 жыл бұрын
I remembered when I was young waiting to for the whole week to your program called FOOTBALL MADE IN GERMANY
@ronnyche2929
@ronnyche2929 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Ballack was born in Görlitz not in Karl-Mar-Stadt
@dwkickoff
@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын
Hey 188_RonnyJ, you are right, he was born in Görlitz und raised in Karl-Marx-Stadt. Sorry for this mistake.
@toshihikotanaka1672
@toshihikotanaka1672 4 жыл бұрын
@@dwkickoff "Und".... even in writing, your german accent is thick... 😁😁😁
@e.l.b6435
@e.l.b6435 4 жыл бұрын
Da wohnt Knuspertoast xD
@ronnyche2929
@ronnyche2929 4 жыл бұрын
@@e.l.b6435 wow du bost ja so lustig. Du sölltest n prei bekommen
@hugoreinh1hard
@hugoreinh1hard 4 жыл бұрын
Ja
@maladoychelovek
@maladoychelovek 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastich content :) well done guys
@vaxuvax
@vaxuvax 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations. Very good documentary.I also want to add that the fall of East German clubs had many reasons. One of the reasons was the huge difference between the economies and the mentality of doing things between East and West. In 1990 the organization and the ways things were done in sports, state and economy in the east must have been VERY ALIEN to the West German state. The East german secret police(STASI), the east german army, the east german factories had sport teams. After reunification and disapearence of East german police and army why would Bundesnachrichtendienst(german secret service) take dynamo teams or why would Bundeswehr take football teams( ASG Vorwärts Leipzig, ASG Vorwärts Berlin etc)? In democracy no one could force them to do it. Like no one could force private business men from the West to take football teams of East German factories that were closing down. Market economy works different from State economy. Anyway Im happy that RB Leipzig and Union Berlin are doing well in German first League and hope that other teams will join soon. It seems that little by little we learn market economy here in the east but we still have a long way to go. 40-50 years of Communism are not easy to brush aside.
@moefaez760
@moefaez760 4 жыл бұрын
I love the content of this video...Felt kinda bad for the former East German players but overall this is a good video
@89Wrathchild
@89Wrathchild 2 жыл бұрын
Der Wahnsinn! I had no idea how badly the East German clubs got screwed by West Germany. A similar conversation occurs from time to time in the UK. The discussion is of the Scottish clubs and English clubs joining together into one league system but most people (in Scotland anyway) are 100% against it because it would threaten the very existence of some clubs.
@FootballWithBrownie
@FootballWithBrownie 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video
@dwkickoff
@dwkickoff 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@thomasjohnson2862
@thomasjohnson2862 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, it's interesting what you learn about society and life through football. Great to learn about Germany and the impact of the fall of the wall. I looked at the German political election results in 2017 after watching this video, and wasn't surprised to see the AfD party getting significantly higher votes in the east of the country than the west. The issues the football clubs faced in East Germany are similar to its economic issues in general of the region. Hope things improve step by step!
@xxdavecz3811
@xxdavecz3811 4 жыл бұрын
In last elections in East Germany, Communists who ruled there before Berlin Wall Fall for 40 years, won elections with over 30% votes. East Germany vote for Communists massively
@xxdavecz3811
@xxdavecz3811 4 жыл бұрын
In last elections in East Germany, Communists who ruled there before Berlin Wall Fall for 40 years, won elections with over 30% votes. East Germany vote for Communists massively
@ruski17
@ruski17 4 жыл бұрын
The grass is not always greener on the other side.
@sajaljain8843
@sajaljain8843 4 жыл бұрын
I love how dw has a channel dedicated to football only.
@mycodenameisejatt
@mycodenameisejatt 4 жыл бұрын
This channel is better than Copa 90
@dwkickoff
@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Polis, Spread the word ;)
@Harlock2day
@Harlock2day 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. I knew nothing those developments. It would be good to see East German clubs make a come back.
@Hive__
@Hive__ 4 жыл бұрын
Union Berlin was a GDR-Club. It is in the Bundesliga
@ErsinGaga
@ErsinGaga 4 жыл бұрын
Haven't been in the top Tier at the time of reunification
@COYM_1908
@COYM_1908 4 жыл бұрын
It's still just one team.
@eichbienyermaw
@eichbienyermaw 4 жыл бұрын
Andy Thom! Andy Thom! Andy, Andy Thom! He gets the ball and he scores a goal, Andy, Andy Thom! I loved Thom when he was with Celtic. Great player! Hail Hail! 🍀🍀🍀
@shanefelkel9966
@shanefelkel9966 5 ай бұрын
I used to watch Soccer Made in Germany with host Toby Charles on the U.S. PBS stations (probably 1979-80 or so). Remember Lokomotiv Leipzig, Carl Zeiss Jena, and Dynamo Dresden. Never really thought about what happened to them after those times. Interesting video to say the least.
@supertori8585
@supertori8585 4 жыл бұрын
I live in GDR, my Football Club was in the second devision and bis were somewhere in 10. Devision or something
@Natsukiiroi
@Natsukiiroi 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to know some German Football History Nice Video Thanks 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
@grobariza
@grobariza 4 жыл бұрын
If a team from the East builds a team from the right principles and eventually gains enough promotions to the Bundesliga it would be respected
@Aritro77
@Aritro77 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@nimay13
@nimay13 4 жыл бұрын
This really opened my eyes.
@jack0534
@jack0534 4 жыл бұрын
whats ed sheeran doing playing for germany
@TheXev
@TheXev 4 жыл бұрын
I do not follow football at all, and this video was really interesting to watch.
@zarategabe
@zarategabe Ай бұрын
It's because reunification itself has mostly failed. The "shock therapy" of the GDR has been quite traumatic on most of the former East.
@RayJacksonbighmw
@RayJacksonbighmw 2 жыл бұрын
This is interesting, I didn't know that the former GDR had established clubs and successful ones at that, but yet many have never made it to the "modern" Bundesliga. I may advertise myself as a Gooner (Arsenal supporter), but when it comes to German Football I am Grun-Weiss VfL Wolfsburg all the way!!! ....and this coming after I bought a 1998-99 Wolfsburg jersey back in 2010 and finding out later they were once Deutscher Meister 2009 (to us Americans, Champions!!!) currently owning a 2002 New Beetle GLS and have been a VW enthusiast since 1998, having also owned a 1999 Beetle I got then brand new BITD. And since I will be getting ESPN+ added to my TV package I will definitely be looking forward to returning to my beloved original international football home, the Bundesliga, and yes, I WILL catch a bit of that Berlin Derby now that both Hertha and Union are finally in top flight together. Hey, the Bundesliga are more than just Bayern and Dortmund, we all know that, and its up to the two Berlin clubs, RB Leipzig and rest of the East to now prove it to the rest of the world!!!
@Younes87
@Younes87 4 жыл бұрын
Ich würde diesen Channel ja feiern, da die gut recherchiert und geschnitten sind, aber der extreme deutsche Akzent geht so verdammt auf die Nerven.
@tj-nh6pn
@tj-nh6pn 4 жыл бұрын
Man kann sich natürlich auch über jeden Rotz aufregen
@lukas6824
@lukas6824 4 жыл бұрын
@@tj-nh6pn Ne aber es tut wirklich weh. Auch wenn ich selbst auch einen ekelhaften deutschen Akzent beim Englisch sprechen habe.
@Younes87
@Younes87 4 жыл бұрын
TJ_1009 Ton ist halt die Hälfte des Produkts... und die Musik ist genauso nervig
@samykiani944
@samykiani944 4 жыл бұрын
@@tj-nh6pn So sind sie die Deutschen. Sich immer über alles beschweren ist ihr Nationalsport.😂
@Regisseur95
@Regisseur95 4 жыл бұрын
Als Alternative hättest du dann halt einen englischen Muttersprachler, der weder die deutschen Vereins-, noch Spielernamen aussprechen kann. Davon gibt es genug.
@mrsd8401
@mrsd8401 4 жыл бұрын
My wife is German, and I still have a soft spot for the DDR. Beyond football, the administrative West have done more damage to the former East than most people realise
@skobird2732
@skobird2732 4 жыл бұрын
It seems some Germans just wish they could have been Nazi's
@mrsd8401
@mrsd8401 4 жыл бұрын
@Skrooge Lantay there is more to the picture than meets the eye...
@geoffgane4861
@geoffgane4861 4 жыл бұрын
Dynamo Berlin was probably the most corrupt club that had ever been. 10 consecutive GDR championship titles in a row under very dubious circumstances. Any apologist for the GDR is just as bad as anyone who sticks up for the Nazis.
@thewarlock539
@thewarlock539 4 жыл бұрын
@ This is exactly why many people hate germany
@jamestyler12JT
@jamestyler12JT 4 жыл бұрын
What a great video
@beanboyo
@beanboyo 4 жыл бұрын
Dumb question but what's the name of the song at the beginning of the video? It's a proper earworm
@WildwoodClaire1
@WildwoodClaire1 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Dynamo Berlin the "Stasi Team"?
@picoreturns_
@picoreturns_ 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@geoffgane4861
@geoffgane4861 4 жыл бұрын
And even more corrupt than Real Madrid under Franco.
@andrewcreek3846
@andrewcreek3846 4 жыл бұрын
Dynamo Berlin also benefited from East Germany's state run doping program, like their Olympic athletes.
@mariorui6424
@mariorui6424 4 жыл бұрын
@@geoffgane4861 I don't know , it's hard to choice who had more help from his government, because Franco was a Real Madrid fan.
@xxdavecz3811
@xxdavecz3811 4 жыл бұрын
Dynamo Berlin was and is supported by Nazis fans
@DjOcramCombatSkill
@DjOcramCombatSkill 4 жыл бұрын
4:20 "RED BULL Leipzig" hahaha
@cztrca
@cztrca 4 жыл бұрын
"rasenballsport" lol
@justrandomguy694
@justrandomguy694 4 жыл бұрын
@@cztrca I must told you something Your joke isn't funny
@ilovenatsuki1384
@ilovenatsuki1384 4 жыл бұрын
@@justrandomguy694 It's not joke it's truth
@DirtyPoul
@DirtyPoul 4 жыл бұрын
I don't even watch football, but I watched this video for the history. Superb video.
@h0ckeyd
@h0ckeyd 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact for you; Uwe Rosler was the last player to score a goal in a game at the Dell in Southampton (you know, the club that bought Kevin Keegan from Hamburg, are in the premiership and have Austrian, Ralph Hasenhttl as manager)....Uwe is a legend in Southampton too.
@AdamKurta
@AdamKurta 4 жыл бұрын
It's quite symptomatic of how the whole reunification went. The reunification was basically East Germany accepting the West Germany's capitalist system. Logically, people, factories and football clubs weren't able to compete in such environment - people lost their jobs, factories closed and football clubs got relegated. In Germany, you call this process of deregulation and privatisation "Reunification", in my coutry we called it "running down the West". Today, 30 years after the Iron Curtain fell, we're all unified, but still not equal. If you ever wondered why is AfD so popular in eastern Germany (or far-right in the eastern block generally), start looking here for reasons.
@thetrashman3129
@thetrashman3129 4 жыл бұрын
It was an annexation rather than reunification
@changertv9222
@changertv9222 4 жыл бұрын
Red Bull Leipzig isn't an eastern football Club
@jldch26
@jldch26 4 жыл бұрын
I think it was mentioned because Leipzig was East German. However, considering the club is only 10 years old, it's obviously not East German.
@mariop8101
@mariop8101 4 жыл бұрын
@Jericho Jezza Plastic are all bayern fans from outside Munich. I hate all the big historic teams in Europe, I love to see them loose.
@mohamedamineserrar6178
@mohamedamineserrar6178 4 жыл бұрын
don't you like to actually having a team from eastern germany competing ? if I was from leipzig, I'll be pretty damn proud. More clubs should follow their model, If i was bayern, bvb or stuttgart, I wouldn't like going to a boiling stadium if it was a mid table team.
@picoreturns_
@picoreturns_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@mohamedamineserrar6178 In Leipzig 50% like RB Leipzig, and 50% hate RB and are still Fans from Lok Leipzig or Chemie Leipzig
@nilsg4695
@nilsg4695 4 жыл бұрын
@@mohamedamineserrar6178 No club shoul follow this model, which isn´t even allowed by the DFL and DFB. You can´t get a member with rights in this "club", all the power is to Red Bull. The club bought a seventh division teams licence and brought money into it, just to get to first division in 8 years. Thats not fair to teams which follow the rules, with many fans and great tradition. Football in germany is more than just competing with the best (Bayern, BVB...). It´s about athmosphere in the stadium, it´s about stand together in good and bad times. And "clubs" like RB try to destroy the german football, just to promote energy drink. The real fans in Leipzig go to Lok or Chemie in division 4, because you don´t change your club, only plastic fans do this
@ashfaqueishaikh
@ashfaqueishaikh 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome and extremely interesting story.
@brodybarton5970
@brodybarton5970 Жыл бұрын
As an American I want to really get into bundesliga especially since both sides of my family are from Germany and I still have family there but I'm not sure what team to support
@basti3149
@basti3149 4 жыл бұрын
What about Union Berlin?
@ErsinGaga
@ErsinGaga 4 жыл бұрын
Haven't been in the Former top Division in the GDR. They've been in the second Tier that season
@MrWhitmen1981
@MrWhitmen1981 4 жыл бұрын
It also the capital city so it doesn’t really count, recovery was quicker there then the rest of nation given the half of city is flourishing. Especially if it is in cycling distance. Can’t say the same on eastern city.
@ErsinGaga
@ErsinGaga 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrWhitmen1981 it Just became the capital City again after reunification. West German capitan was Bonn and east German Capital was east Berlin. That's why FC Berlin (Dynamo) was the Club of the east German Secret Police. They were the Most successful because the Stasi wanted it to be the Most successful. I get your Point about the Recovery but that's Not entirely true. East Berlin didn't Develop nearly as quickly and as much as West Berlin. And at the Same time barely quicker than other cities Like Dresden Leipzig or Rostock. Köpenick (where Union ist based and where Most Fans are) has been more Like a smaller City/Village itself. It's kinda far away from the City Center, so Most businesses didn't See the need to Invest there.
@mariorui6424
@mariorui6424 4 жыл бұрын
I love them! Alles Güte in Bundesliga, Union!
@5-Minutegeography
@5-Minutegeography 4 жыл бұрын
No matter what happens, I'll always love Bundes liga
@JaviCR
@JaviCR 4 жыл бұрын
Bundesliga is boring, only bayer munich wins, it is not competitive
@Christian175z
@Christian175z 4 жыл бұрын
@@JaviCR That's absolutely not true for this season. Bayern is currently struggling and other teams have moved up their game.
@5-Minutegeography
@5-Minutegeography 4 жыл бұрын
@@JaviCR That's why I started rooting for other teams such as Dortmund and Leipzig
@Christian175z
@Christian175z 4 жыл бұрын
@@JaviCR Bayern lost 5-1 against Frankfurt last weekend.
@abdigemal8411
@abdigemal8411 3 жыл бұрын
@@JaviCR so They won
@TheBusbyBabes
@TheBusbyBabes 3 жыл бұрын
9:40 "now its fantastic to live there" except for saxony, we dont talk about saxony xD
@JackGillies
@JackGillies 4 жыл бұрын
I am a Hibs fan and we had a player from East Germany. Matthias Jack was a CDM and he was born in Leipzig. He played for both Lok and Chemie before the wall came down he was also capped 8 or 9 times for the DDR national team, After the wall fell he moved to Fortuna Düsseldorf then us then he went back to another old East German club Erzgebirge Aue. So Hibs have the East German connection
@cd1051
@cd1051 4 жыл бұрын
Union?
@linusroslund3443
@linusroslund3443 4 жыл бұрын
0:28 Uwe rösler deutsche suuuperman, shalalalalalalala, uwe rösler han kan viiiinna han, shalalalalalalalalala, uuuuuuwwwweeeeeee röööösler!
@robertwilloughby8050
@robertwilloughby8050 2 жыл бұрын
No mention of Energie Cottbus? Where are they now? (This from a UK Nantes, Atalanta, De Graafschaap, Naval, Eibar and PASOK result watcher....😉)
@KinselCo
@KinselCo 4 жыл бұрын
What's the song right from the beginning? Does anyone know?
@wiiiin
@wiiiin 4 жыл бұрын
Boah die deutschen Akzente tun echt weh in den Ohren 😀
@estebancienfuegos8737
@estebancienfuegos8737 4 жыл бұрын
Sich über den deutschen Englischakzent aufregen ist auch so deutsch. Verklemmt ohne Ende.
@wiiiin
@wiiiin 4 жыл бұрын
Esteban Cienfuegos ohh ja 😃 sind ja nicht alleine auf der Welt
@patrickseidel218
@patrickseidel218 4 жыл бұрын
@@estebancienfuegos8737 Stimmt! Dabei sprechen Spanier oder Italiener kein besseres Englisch.
@artisdying
@artisdying 4 жыл бұрын
@@estebancienfuegos8737 Kein Problem bei normalen Leuten, aber wenn man als Deutschlandwelle einen englischsprachigen Artikel rausbringt, kann man eigentlich mehr verlangen. Sprechertraining gibts auch für andere Sprachen.
@K2ELP
@K2ELP 4 жыл бұрын
@@artisdying Solange es gut verständlich ist?
@jonasmarung4529
@jonasmarung4529 4 жыл бұрын
I think it would be better if you speak german and have subtitles ^^
@barosul9712
@barosul9712 4 жыл бұрын
no
@manofgod7622
@manofgod7622 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, english title and they should speak german. Oh yes, new genius
@TS29er
@TS29er 4 жыл бұрын
@@lukasp5892 Wir Deutschen sollten lernen, nicht so hart auf den Akzent zu geiern, das macht aus außer uns niemand (außer vllt die Franzosen), wichtig ist, dass man ihn versteht und das tut man sehr gut, also kein problem...und glaub mir, ich finde den deutschen Akzent genauso grauenhaft wie du :D
@ConnbineHarvester
@ConnbineHarvester 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't have watched it if it was in German! Most of the comments are in English so I think or hope the point of the clip was to tell non Germans some history that most Germans probably know already!
@Tommy20136
@Tommy20136 4 жыл бұрын
Funny how only Germans seem to be bothered by his accent
@ksz8370
@ksz8370 4 жыл бұрын
What's the electronic song that plays in the background from 7:13 to 8:03?
@AbaGootu
@AbaGootu 3 жыл бұрын
Whistling in Tongues; Felix Labland
@Catcrumbs
@Catcrumbs 4 жыл бұрын
The audio guy needs to work on his art: having the different pieces of BGM come and go so frequently like that was quite distracting imo.
@Klausisyoutube
@Klausisyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
It´s a shame, how the merge of the leagues was managed.
@SKa-tt9nm
@SKa-tt9nm 4 жыл бұрын
Klaus why? The GDR teams were much weaker.
@eric11
@eric11 2 жыл бұрын
@@SKa-tt9nm not true
@ramieg4693
@ramieg4693 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully rb leipzig drop right back down to the 20th division and never come back. I would be glad if any other east german team took their place
@tyrkun1624
@tyrkun1624 4 жыл бұрын
Union Berlin in da zone
@jarnickvanessen2625
@jarnickvanessen2625 4 жыл бұрын
Wow shut up you idiot
@amroshIdreesh
@amroshIdreesh 4 жыл бұрын
1:33 "there are seven?!" - Chandler Bing
@MrQualityTheDon
@MrQualityTheDon 3 жыл бұрын
This has been my dream to learn about the Germany football system
@KackUp94
@KackUp94 4 жыл бұрын
Wismut AUE! atm second most succesful team of the former East. ;)
@saminyead1233
@saminyead1233 4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean no East German club is a part of Bundesliga? What is Union Berlin then?
@rotua98
@rotua98 4 жыл бұрын
it just happen recently and also they do comment that said union berlin wasnt part of east german top division at the time
@myloveispunk
@myloveispunk 4 жыл бұрын
What is the name of the song around the 7:00 mark?
@solidkingcobra
@solidkingcobra 4 жыл бұрын
I am a really recent football fan from America, I don't know why the hell I'm watching this, but this is interesting as hell. I'm just learning about relegation and all that fun stuff. It's neat that things are being explained like this.
@colonelgoodstep
@colonelgoodstep 4 жыл бұрын
Hallo Flom South Korea !!!
@ulfurkarlsson5885
@ulfurkarlsson5885 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, because the money is in the west .
@FuchsHund
@FuchsHund 4 жыл бұрын
9:35 born in Hamburg though 🤷🏻‍♂️
@renethiele1025
@renethiele1025 3 жыл бұрын
1:55 that was my first game in the stadium
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