Why is the West so desperate to compete with China's solar sector?

Why is the West so desperate to compete with China's solar sector? | Transforming Business

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@manimalworks7424 4 ай бұрын

If I can compete, I want “free market”, if I can’t compete, I want “fair market “

@user-yk7ev6gv7j 3 ай бұрын

lol，you are right，bro，its so real

@assemmohamed9493 3 ай бұрын

That's literally unintentionally citing statement from janet yellen in her recent visit to China commenting on China solar, steel ship building industries.

@Masterrunescapeer 3 ай бұрын

There's no true free market, and the entire point of this is that China is not free market as they massively subsidize the cost of their production, so others have to as well in order to compete -> fair market.

@leosv0 3 ай бұрын

Ты хочешь, чтобы твоя страна страдала?

@skydragon23101979 3 ай бұрын

@@leosv0China in charge means your country will suffer?? The evidence speaks otherwise. Everywhere any country who work with China are prospering but any country that work with US is looking at war, political turmoil,

@totifernandez9532 6 ай бұрын

It is not subsidies. China built a complete supply chain from mining to manufacturing to logistics, with the economies of scale to boot. No other country can match that. They are not violating free trade agreements. They just being more competitive. And it is all the better for the world.

@cheungchingtong 6 ай бұрын

Just like those EVs.

@TheExtraterrestrial99 6 ай бұрын

As well as some bonus benefit from building the huge solar farm, for example, turning wasteland to green and use for feeding livestock, known as solar grazing.

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

@@cheungchingtong Just like the fruits of the Western industrial and scientific revolutions which you use every single day but never think about and just take for granted ; )

@cheungchingtong 6 ай бұрын

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp You mean just like the gunpowder, compass that took the europeans overseas so that they could conquered and colonized others to gain those fruits? Maybe~

@alexanderchristopher6237 6 ай бұрын

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp And that was how the West was able to dominate in the Industrial Revolution. Dominance in production technology from extraction of resource to manufacturing and logistics, aided by government support. Yet did they (the Chinese) ever cry foul? Not really. They just learned from the Europeans. Now when they had shown their own mastery over this, it is the Europeans, so accustomed to dominance over the last 200 years, that decided to cry foul.

@peronliu6886 6 ай бұрын

when western says "lets work towards green energy".Only China started....But now western regret.....

@TK-tv5un 6 ай бұрын

Average PER CAPITA emissions in China are now over one third higher than EU. This is despite China having a much smaller GDP per capita than the EU. EU leads China in curbing emissions. Even adjusting for exports, it doesn't close the gap. And yet China remains far poorer than the EU per capita for all that pollution it creates.

@kyliex6310 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@TK-tv5undo u mean “co2 emissions”? China by 2022 was 8.82, which is half of US/canada emissions. Even lower than South Korea… Germany is 8.16, not quite far from China.

@zuriyel5368 6 ай бұрын

@@TK-tv5un Deceptive framing. China has twice the population of EU and China being the world's manufacturer has a big impact on its CO2 emissions. If Europe was manufacturing as much as China was, their CO2 output would be much higher as well. However, China's been working on transitioning to clean energy for a long time now.

@soonpohtay4794 6 ай бұрын

@@TK-tv5unChina produces the goods used in other countries. If you calculate the CO2 emitted from the goods consumed in the other countries, then subtract them from China’s emis Siong.

@AB-zl4nh 6 ай бұрын

Nope. The EU & US tried to work with China. China said no.

@LucasBustamante1 6 ай бұрын

10 years ago: Solar good. - China supplies cheap solar panels: Now solar bad

@TK-tv5un 6 ай бұрын

Solar very good, that's why another country making some should be okay for China. No need to have a monopoly over everything.

@nicholastoo858 6 ай бұрын

😂

@greentea8852 6 ай бұрын

@@TK-tv5unIt is ok for China, they are open for competition, it‘s just the others are unable to compete. 😂

@orange6562 6 ай бұрын

@@TK-tv5un that might be okay for china but not for capitalist private companies.

@DubboU 6 ай бұрын

@@TK-tv5un Chins is very open to doing businesses. It is not their fault or problem that other's products are inferior, and the consumers voted with their wallet.

@albertli3737 6 ай бұрын

I don’t like the word “cheap”. Are the more expensive solar products from EU better or actually worse? As a consumer, who doesn’t want to buy better products with lower prices???

@Mr.Patrick_Hung 5 ай бұрын

You are right! Here in China we used to make shoddy low cost cheap labour stuff. Those days are passing and leaving. Now we make high end products and the cheap labour companies are leaving for Vietnam, India and Indonesia. (I wish them well.)

@gsismaet5385 4 ай бұрын

China has economies of scale, access to cheap fuel for their industries and state of the art tech. Plus plus for all consumers.

@jorsm.3893 3 ай бұрын

Well local panels are certainly not worse, a lot of research still happens here. And honestly, unless we want to lower our average salaries to the salaries of the average Chinese factory worker, we have to accept that we will pay more for a similar product, because at the end of the month, we also have more to buy those products.

@Mr.Patrick_Hung 3 ай бұрын

@@jorsm.3893 The salaries may, often, be lower here in China. However the cost of rent and food and basic stuff is also much lower. In the end people here are often getting more actual buying power.

@jorsm.3893 3 ай бұрын

@@Mr.Patrick_Hung Yes I know :) and it makes sense ofc that lower salaries would translate to lower prices of goods and services. I heard this from my brother in law as well, that he could just have food delivered all the time. Here that is pretty much unimaginable for someone living from a paycheck. But it's very hard to suddenly change that. Many people in my country have huge mortgages, if the cost of goods/services would drop significantly here, the wages would most likely have to drop, and that would leave many with trouble paying off loans. That is why I believe that buying the most affordable is not always in our best interests in the long run :) But it's understandably hard for people to resist, so policy needs to be made.

@happymelon7129 6 ай бұрын

Because of lost in competition .. The main reason Germany+U$A come up with "XingJiang forced labour " story . From an expert never even been to China.

@hanrenfighterjet 6 ай бұрын

The fact that China doesn't have to doll out much subsidies for its solar. While USA and the west does. Shows the trend this industry is going and YES Solar power is just another industry

@flygonc3717 6 ай бұрын

Agree is great. China is leading renewable energy development

@crithi1401 6 ай бұрын

Forced labour in china isn't something USA or anyone else has come up with - china did that entirely on its own. Just as with the ethnocide which they are committing against the Uighurs. And china is profiting massively off of this.

@ncchew3356 6 ай бұрын

@@crithi1401When are you going to Xinjiang to see for yourself if there's genocide?

@ricardo_Abonado 6 ай бұрын

@ncche because there is no Law is a dictatorship I wouldn't go to seven star hotel for free or paid...w3356

@blackwarrior7473 6 ай бұрын

Messages received. Thank you. China, subsidies, bad! US EU, subsidies, good!

@sahebhussain7967 3 ай бұрын

😂😂 Western hypocrisy are so funny 🤣🤣

@helloworld3306 Ай бұрын

清汤大老爷

@user-fy2gv5lk8u 10 күн бұрын

China needs diversity from Africa, it is their strength.

@GreetingsEarth 4 ай бұрын

Why can't Chinese companies make profit? Should all profits go to the West and poor countries stay poor? China is a very good example of how a poor country can develop. It took only 30 years for the transformation which is astonishingly fast. Say whatever you want, but China shows a way to all developing countries.

@volcof1 3 ай бұрын

With who's Intellectual Properties?

@skydragon23101979 3 ай бұрын

@@volcof1With China’s intellectual properties. How do you think China can manufacture that cheaply? Just low wage? China’s workers are not low wage anymore.

@pikaxhuboi7222 3 ай бұрын

they got their own Space station which is advance than ISS.

@WombatKing27 3 ай бұрын

@@volcof1 In fact, China does have the most patents for solar panels and electricity transmission

@SK-lt1so 3 ай бұрын

Where are the human rights, labor protections, environmental laws?🤷‍♂️

@marcibanez01 6 ай бұрын

So, let me see if I understand your reasoning: Germany is losing a lot of companies (and jobs) because USA is subsidizing with billions of $ the companies that move there to produce solar panels, BUT the problem is the subsidies of the Chinese companies??? Right? Don't meke me laught! Germany is a joke right now...

@lemms 6 ай бұрын

I also find the the german solar expert's message very odd. The german companies are moving to Colorado, USA, due to heavy subsidies from America, causing 100,000 job losses in Germany, but she is complaining about China's subsidies to Chinese companies? Is racism clouding her mind from the obvious?

@DerToasti 6 ай бұрын

There has been a strange development in Europe. Instead of politicians working for the ruling corporate class of their own countries, they are now working for the ruling class of the USA. Europe's economy will stagnate and fail as they get pillaged by the americans. This will lead to a collapse of the EU, and conditions like during the first and second world wars in Europe.

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

@@lemms It's not in the interests of any one in the West for China to have any leverage. As for racism, LOL having lived in China myself and seen how it is there, that's rather ironic

@lemms 6 ай бұрын

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp I can accept that it is not in the interest of any one in the West for China to have any leverage at all, but for DW to twist the truth and keep germans ignorance of the real reason why 100,000 german jobs are lost, will only harm germans. Why should Germany suffer for America's benefit?

@kennyyodune1727 6 ай бұрын

At least Germany has broken the stereotype that they're all smart.

@jackywong8782 6 ай бұрын

Due to the European sanction in the past, China has develop a fully independent solar power industry. LOL

@GreetingsEarth 4 ай бұрын

Same story with aerospace, engineering, now EV and semiconductors. Somehow sanctions have a boosting effect to China.

@WasimKhan-kk6qu 4 ай бұрын

same with semi conductors. i think in 10 years semi conductors will have the same fate as solar panels lmao..

@andiy2521 3 ай бұрын

@@WasimKhan-kk6quI have no doubt about this. Ten years from now, let's wait and see about semiconductors😅

@zuriyel5368 2 ай бұрын

That's a big issue that a lot of people don't understand. China is one of the top 5 highest IQ countries in the world, with an insanely high population and a culture that highly regards education. Whatever type of profession that any other country has, they prolly have 10x that amount. Doesn't matter if they start behind, bcos it only takes them less than a handful of years to catch up.

@ricnyc2759 6 ай бұрын

Did China sit down and waited for the solar panels to grow on trees? Like everything else: through work.

@dekumutant 6 ай бұрын

This is such a nothing comment. Everything takes work, this doesnt meant anything lol. China isn't a person who gets up early. Its a country with policies, and those policies define what happens. What is subsidized and incentivised by policy gets done. Its that simple

@ZweiZwolf 6 ай бұрын

@@dekumutant America subsidized solar for years, decades, but they didn't grow nearly as fast because America has to protect the profits of the electrical monopolies.

@timothychung4811 6 ай бұрын

@@dekumutantIn order for these policies to succeed, YOU'LL NEED THE MASS POPULATION TO PLAY THE GAME WHICH IS "WORK HARD".

@mahfujkadir8973 6 ай бұрын

@@ZweiZwolf more like our oil overlords

@ZweiZwolf 6 ай бұрын

@@mahfujkadir8973 Americans buy electricity from private companies with local monopoly power. The American electrical companies fought very hard to make residential solar expensive and uneconomical in order to maintain shareholder profits.

@chillfluencer 6 ай бұрын

As an industrial electronics technician I had to quit in the western industry (at ZF Friedrichshafen AG) because the people there are extremely resistant to progress.

@LilaKuhJunge 6 ай бұрын

I was always fascinated by ZF's solar cell portfolio...

@never4ever386 6 ай бұрын

Yes, protecting their comfort.

@LilaKuhJunge 6 ай бұрын

@@never4ever386 ZF is not producing solar cells... Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen translates to gear factory Friedrichshahfen

@pass3d 6 ай бұрын

有机会可以来中国看看，EV的普及率很高了（绿色车牌为NEV，蓝色的是传统燃油车）

@userminrzrhonper 6 ай бұрын

前两天看新闻，zf大裁员了😢😢我挺喜欢zf的变速箱的。

@fongandspring 6 ай бұрын

Western countries also heavily subsidize solar companies. It says so in your own video. The reason they are not competitive isn't because Chinese subsidies. This is simply another scape goat.

@yuanruichen2564 6 ай бұрын

china does it better because of the huge supply of engineers, good infrastructure, large domestic need, and sheer scale of the economy,

@nocomment8273 6 ай бұрын

@@yuanruichen2564 Also because leadership thinks long term and not like our midgets. Make a huge difference

@backpackpepelon3867 6 ай бұрын

Logistics in China is just second to none. They are extremely efficient in that matter to the point the whole west can't compete directly at all.

@MashZ 6 ай бұрын

Chine has its own supply of rare earth metals and other materials needed in solar and battery technology. They also own many mines for those in Africa, effectively controling majority suppy of those resources. Meanwhile western companies cant get those resources cheap without importing from China or others (or even importing from western owned mines in Africa). That coupled with low skilled labour cost, central planning, industrialized infrastructure etc give China a huge edge over the competition

@aero.l 6 ай бұрын

@@MashZ And what's so bad about that? At the end of the day, Western countries still care more about protecting corporate profits. If the climate crisis is really that bad, why does it matter if solar panels are cheap and more accessible to consumers?

@mokobuko 6 ай бұрын

Thank you China for existing.

@tonyata7006 5 ай бұрын

@henryyuen5224 2 ай бұрын

And thank you Russia for exisiting. ❤

@aburetik4866 6 ай бұрын

China leads the world in 37 out of 44 critical technologies and America only leads in 7, according to the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI).

@MWENDA-vv5im 6 ай бұрын

Did you make an error somewhere? Russia commands at least 50% of the world's nuclear power technology market making it the clear leader in that field.

@aburetik4866 6 ай бұрын

@@MWENDA-vv5im What's your source for that? China just started up world's first fourth-generation nuclear reactor according to Reuter. China is leading in this race

@aburetik4866 6 ай бұрын

@@MWENDA-vv5im What's ur source for that? China just started up world's first fourth-generation nuclear reactor according to Reuter. China is leading in this race

@MWENDA-vv5im 6 ай бұрын

@@aburetik4866 I thought it's common knowledge. Have you ever heard of a company called ROSATOM? This is a Russian company that is currently constructing more than 50% of all nuclear reactors being built in the world today including in China.

@amos325 6 ай бұрын

@@MWENDA-vv5imhe is asking your source and you keep bu sheeting

@user-ln5pi6zp2t 6 ай бұрын

It is not subsidies but economics of scale. It internal market is huge. Also it has the complete supply chain from raw materials to finish products. These factors cut costs.

@willengel2458 6 ай бұрын

A Swiss company bought a BYD Seal and then took it apart piece by piece, then priced each part with labor cost. they found BYD Seal is 35% cheaper than EU automakers, 15% cheaper than Tesla. BYD has the ability to produce everything in-house. they even contract to build their own RORO fleet.

@alvinchua2000 6 ай бұрын

well said. Plus the Chinas domestic market.

@PANDITDADDY-kq9uf 6 ай бұрын

Yeah 👍 China's winning the race, new superpower in making. USA is like Britain in 1920s and China is like USA in 1920s

@joaomarcelovieiradarocha6000 6 ай бұрын

Europeans have a hard time understanding that the chinese counterparts are doing a better job. It's not only subsidies, but manufacturing capability, lower labour cost, lower energy cost, flexible labour etc

@AlonzoRodrigoEzcurraSilva 6 ай бұрын

Subsidies go to encourage the technology development and the construction of the supply chain, then economies of scale replace subsidies. That's how China and many western countries develop new technologies. Once I heard a chief executive of Ford saying that the magic market share to stop giving subsidies is around 37%. Once your new tech gets 37% of the market, government can cut subsidies and the new tech will stay in the market.

@hoareg2 6 ай бұрын

I think another reason is the competence of Chinese workers. My company subcontracts a part of our work to a China team. Honestly they are very competent and hardworking, I can see that their productivity is much higher than a local worker here at a fraction of the salary. The only problem is their English skills as well as the time difference but we can manage with that.

@user-tb5uq7wc3f 6 ай бұрын

They are not English maybe you guys should improve your Chinese language too what do you think 🤔

@heiwc 6 ай бұрын

@@user-tb5uq7wc3fvpn开的账户吧😂

@hannesRSA 6 ай бұрын

And moral values.. they have none. It's learnt behaviour, so they don't do well in teamwork or higher level roles.

@DubboU 6 ай бұрын

You clearly acknowledged that Chinese workers are more competent and capable. Maybe it's time you show them some respect and learn some Chinese, instead of suggesting they need to improve their English.

@hannesRSA 6 ай бұрын

@@user-tb5uq7wc3fas a non English person who adopted English because it won the global cultural race... No, sorry. We don't need to complicate the world more. If you have some issue with English being the global language, you can run that campaign.. I don't believe it would bring benefits rather than tribalism.

@ngocphongle8922 6 ай бұрын

Westerners have a simple and consistant explanation for all fields that China surpassed them: China firms were heavily subsidised by gov.

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

Because they are

@ngocphongle8922 6 ай бұрын

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp but they just unstopably boasting that they were subsidied, and cannot say any more detail

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

@@ngocphongle8922 What difference does it make to you? Do you know how the Chinese view your country?

@ngocphongle8922 6 ай бұрын

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp if they Westerners know how exactly Chinese gov subisidied firms and it really impact to their competitiveness, they will not miss the chance to show in their argument. How Chinese view my country? Is it relevant here???

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

@@ngocphongle8922 What difference does the detail of the subsidies make? The Chinese accuse the West of hypocrisy yet the way they run their economy is the epitome of hypocrisy. It's globalisation when it suits China and protectionism when it doesn't. The Chinese can emigrate all over the world - at least 50 million - yet there are barely 400k foreigners of any description in China. I raised the issue of Vietnam simply to see your reaction since I know some Vietnamese take the Chinese side out of pure racialism

@ZLL668 6 ай бұрын

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

@benwindbag 6 ай бұрын

-- An aphorism of the 19th century German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche.

@ssuwandi3240 6 ай бұрын

Indeed a bunch of cry bebe.. a panel alone doesn't have more values than the energy storage... So when the magical AI chips driven controller would happen

@AB-zl4nh 6 ай бұрын

"What doesn't defend you will make you weaker."

@reviver2012 6 ай бұрын

It did kill you 🤣

@jean-marcsalotti999 6 ай бұрын

Well, it killed many companies, so there is not point ...

@nmew6926 6 ай бұрын

China is DEMOCRATIZING green energy in the world.

@nazukixv 6 ай бұрын

⁠@MAGAChanelNo need to worry about that. Chinese people dislike some of the American policy other than normal American people. In fact Chinese people are friendly to foreigners as long as they are not offensive.

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

Oh sure. I'm sure they're going to share all that knowledge freely

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

@MAGAChanel Yes just be careful that you don't offend them. They are hyper-sensitive to even the slightest criticism

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

@@nazukixv Yeah the problem being it doesn't take much to offend them

@nazukixv 6 ай бұрын

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp Thank you for giving us a perfect example of what offence is.

@registerhand4720 6 ай бұрын

2:52 "China's political system ... allows for long term thinking" . That's too bad😂😂😂

@user-rm3xu1wo1v 6 ай бұрын

can't be worse 😂😂😂

@patrickstar686 6 ай бұрын

But it's true. It's easy to say "muh we'll be on 100% clean energy by 2030" if you're only in power for 4 years and the next elected government will just scrap the commitment again.

@user-ph3fe8ko8r 6 ай бұрын

Isn't this the common sense for any government?

@johnzhan8636 6 ай бұрын

better than every project for 4-5 years XD, for that time, many projects in China have just started HAHAH

@jackoneill28 6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@alfianmuhammad1335 6 ай бұрын

"If your government is in favor of international trade, and most European governments are in favor of international trade in principle, then you can't really complain when companies in another country start producing something that you want and they're producing it really cheaply and exporting it to you. That's just part of life." Based.

@Ahoooooooo 4 ай бұрын

So why is cheaper solar a bad thing. Are we or are we jot trying to save the planet ? Cheaper is more affordable, which means more solar energy ...

@gembligg4448 6 ай бұрын

China work hart for poor people, god bless china !

@CN_SFY_General 6 ай бұрын

When China produces in mass quantity, the products will be cheap for everyone in the world.

@JigilJigil 6 ай бұрын

you mean the slavery!

@paleontochad 6 ай бұрын

god literally can't because churches there are state owned

@zhuangbamboo-hu1mm 3 ай бұрын

yes！哪些东西本来就不应该只是有钱人独享。要让穷人也能用得起，而且对穷人更有价值。

@zhuangbamboo-hu1mm 3 ай бұрын

中国有句古话：锦上添花不如雪中送炭。

@polaris1985 6 ай бұрын

defeating Americans and Europeans at their own game!

@sjfbrkdnjrkdkajdjoajfok-2 6 ай бұрын

My mental status has been tortured by ‘China being unbeatable’ and ‘ China being collapsing’. Could anyone give me some help, please.

@user-sl2mr5hd9t 6 ай бұрын

都是对的也都是错的，我们中国人都不在乎别人说什么你为什么要在乎呢😂

@andresgarciacastro1783 6 ай бұрын

It's hilarious, they lead on over 2/3 of key technologies but their imminent colapse is comming. Right now... any minute

@devinfraserashpole4753 6 ай бұрын

It's the usual anti China rhetoric.

@terrancewonga7821 6 ай бұрын

Here is your help. “China is collapsing” - Gordon Chang. The China expert who has been wrong for almost 30 years lol

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

The Chinese property market is in a huge bubble which cannot be deflated easily. A Chinese student I taught sent me a message about his job working for a public fund which literally ended with the line "I don't know if there even is a future, our economy is collapsing"

@Someoneelsegotmyname 6 ай бұрын

The irony that solar manufacturers cant afford to produce because of... energy prices.

@tariqkhan7696 5 ай бұрын

Thanks to china we can have electricity all day without the hight cost of grid elecrricity and loadsheding in pakistan.

@NanaCan-gw3ol 3 ай бұрын

🇵🇰🤝🇨🇳

@jimmylam1486 4 ай бұрын

China produced cheaper and better solar products because of technological innovation , not government subsidy. Isn't it good for the world now that solar energy is more accessible to more countries. If someone still argue that China solar panels are cheaper because of government subsidy , then we all have to thank China for subsidizing the world to achieve a sustainable earth environment.

@zoranmrdjenovic8127 5 ай бұрын

Long live China🇨🇳✅

@michaelvanallen6400 5 ай бұрын

According to the IEA (Int. Energy Agency), an incredible 217 GW of PV capacity was installed in China in 2023. *This means that China installed 6.5 more than the USA (33 GW)!* China installed 148% more than in the previous year! And China exported 200 GW. 55% of global green electricity capacity (= wind, solar, hydropower, etc.) in 2023 was installed in China alone.

@haihao3902 6 ай бұрын

Could you stop flashing the screen? IT hurt my eyes！

@somali_option 6 ай бұрын

it makes us release dopamine 😊

@eddiechau7122 6 ай бұрын

Well, they really tried to compete then do bully when realized it didn’t work.

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

LOL "bully" says the county with hardly any allies in Asia...

@user-jq3zn4cf7h 5 ай бұрын

How do Germans view the $200 billion Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline being artificially blown up?

@WingkKong 5 ай бұрын

America will be great again

@happymelon7129 6 ай бұрын

😂The same excuse also use on Germany car... After German automaker Volkswagen was accused on February 14 of using Chinese-made parts that may violate labor laws, Volkswagen said later on the same day that several of its car models had been refused entry into the United States. Porsche, Bentley and Audi models are all affected.

@ABb-eu1jk 6 ай бұрын

bingo

@cheungchingtong 6 ай бұрын

VW itself sent investigation delegation to Xinjiang and found nothing related to whatever the west accused China of, but so what, when they say you are sinned, then "you are"~🙄

@siyangliu303 6 ай бұрын

hey DW, i thought about the topics for u for the next 5-10 years already. Why china becomes unbeatable in EV? Why china becomes unbeatable in Semiconductor? Why China becomes unbeatable in commercial aircraft?

@TheJensss 6 ай бұрын

Local solar manufacturing in the EU will always be expensive and have a small amount of jobs. The consumers need cheaper solar panels so let them import from China for the lowest price.

@emalejack 6 ай бұрын

So by restricting the import of Chinese solar panels which are said to be cheaper and better, you want EU consumers to buy German Solar panels which are expensive also inferior to the Chinese panels just to keep the job??

@wishsun3890 6 ай бұрын

Insightful!

@anssiluomaranta34 6 ай бұрын

its a matter of strategic autonomy. some imports from china are ok but if everything comes from there what happens if it stops? better to protect some level of european production with punitive tolls.

@warungmakanan-lc6rc 2 ай бұрын

@@anssiluomaranta34 then it will make higher energy price per Kwh, and cost making industrial energy higher

@balderhagert6155 Ай бұрын

I guess if I don't have a job I won't be able to buy cheap Chinese products?

@ZweiZwolf 6 ай бұрын

China simply scaled up. Europe never produced that many panels, so their scale factor was low, resulting in high per-unit cost from upfront capital expenses being spread across a small number of units. China moved solar to hyper-efficient mass production, driving the per-unit cost down to pure production, as capital costs were spread across truly massive amounts of volume. At this point, China no longer needs to subsidize the industry because the volume is so high. Also, it's not like the US and Europe hadn't been subsidizing solar for years, decades. It's just that the fundamental scale never got high enough to drive cost down like in China.

@chung-1chkaling509 6 ай бұрын

US should consider sanctioning all products manufactured on a massive scale because that is simply NOT fair to small producers, as massive production on gigantic scale distorts the world market.

@andresgarciacastro1783 6 ай бұрын

There you go.

@chao-1oveandpeace 3 ай бұрын

中国老喜欢做一些没有用的事情，请忽略他

@TAL142 6 ай бұрын

China was doing this for energy security. And their people enjoy cheap energy and food. The West is simply not reliable partner for anything. This is the same thing as MRI, Airplanes, etc. The west always charge a ridiculous high prices to buy these stuffs and then weaponize them threatening sanctions and bans. The excuse about China subsidizing is simply an overused excuse. It is not like US and Europe don't subsidizing their industries especially like Boeing and Air Bus. The world need to de-risk from US and Europe since the west don't listen to the rest of the world. Most of the western politicians really don't care about improving people's life. They just want to make sure they can sell their ideology. The west want everyone to open the market when they were selling their stuffs to them. Now they need to buy from other countries. They all want protectionism. In contrary, China is blocking anyone from making solar panel. If the role was reverse, I am sure US would be going around the world asking everyone to block China.

@kikikaikai6731 6 ай бұрын

Ture！

@knightfred5361 6 ай бұрын

The US and EU are actively doing this, such as new electric vehicles. The US gov blocks any Chinese technology.

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

LOL the West and America in particular made China. Where did the Chinese get all the science, tech and capital from in the first place?

@Nash0303 6 ай бұрын

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp so what? They're losing now.

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

@@Nash0303 Losing what? China's economy is slowly imploding. The people who think they're so much cleverer than everyone else have blown a massive property bubble which they've got no idea how to unravel. They've stopped publishing the youth unemployment figures. China is a massive hype, it's all about "face". They finally succeed in one sector and all of a sudden they're world leaders... When did the Koreans and Japanese boast like this? Their products are popular and yet those countries don't attract anything like the hostility that Chinese does because they don't have a supremacist mindset

@pessimisticbengali265 Ай бұрын

So China giving tax break to EV industry is bad practice but USA/EU giving tax break to solar firms is good ?

@urbansenicar81 6 ай бұрын

They made this things called factories.

@ChessPlayer78 6 ай бұрын

also they have Sun and Sand.

@ajaykumarsingh702 6 ай бұрын

@@ChessPlayer78 And most importantly they have the thing called "Land".

@urbansenicar81 6 ай бұрын

@@ChessPlayer78 Wise men indeed. But surely Europe could come to some sort of arragement with, say, Libya?

@Wontyr 6 ай бұрын

yeah I doubt it with the immigration crisis, it's political suicide@@urbansenicar81

@themiddlekingdom9121 6 ай бұрын

@@urbansenicar81 Libya has been distroyed by the U S and EU, and now it is being destroyed by their own people in Civil War and the country is divided into two, east and west parts.

@OwenewO 5 ай бұрын

Just like what is happening now on EV. They says the only reason Chinese evs are competitive is the government's subsidies. So how can u explain that the same Volkswagen id.3 is third times expensiver in Germany than it in China? Volkswagen is also a Chinese brand?😢

@Aapig 4 ай бұрын

An importer who imported cheap Volkswagen cars from China was fined hefty by the German government in conjunction with Volkswagen. Couldn't the German government take care of the German people? Germany, please wait for your people

@cornflakes1275 6 ай бұрын

This is the kind of competition betweet west and China that we wanted. Competition of having a clean energy source, not having the most advance missile or nurclear bomb..

@jule1536 4 ай бұрын

当西方在竞争中失败，他们会转而把航母开进你的家。参考1840年鸦片战争

@willeisinga2089 4 ай бұрын

I have Made in China affordable Rooftop Solar for 12 Years Now. Production 6000 kWh every Year. Thank You China ❤️.

@berniecadao5802 4 ай бұрын

Most of solar panels sold in the market in the Philippines are Made in China and the prices are going down year to year

@IamJustAli 5 ай бұрын

China is no USSR. You can't stop her from blooming. Why is it so hard for the US and EU to understand?

@WingkKong 5 ай бұрын

China has a rise and fall cycle of 300 year The west is unhappy Because China enter its Rising period

@navneetparmar3084 4 ай бұрын

They will stagnate worse than Japan because of their old population and it's just 100 years of CCP , USA not only survived but won wars put up organisations that control the world

@FabioCapela 6 ай бұрын

Brazil's moves aren't against China per see; Brazil is really protectionist - for example, cars have a 35% import tax here - and always tries to force companies to relocate manufacturing into the country. It's doing that to solar panels now because Brazil consumes so many solar panels, it believes locally manufacturing the solar panels it uses would be feasible.

@TheKkpop1 6 ай бұрын

Will it help to stop deforestation of Amazon forest?

@Sengyipgoh 6 ай бұрын

@@TheKkpop1pls don't bring in other topic.

@kongwee1978 6 ай бұрын

That the topic of vertical farming. @@TheKkpop1

@lopezb 6 ай бұрын

@@Sengyipgoh protecting the rainforest is just as important as boosting solar.

@toninhosoldierhelmet4033 6 ай бұрын

@@TheKkpop1 there will be no trees in the world by 2050, don't worry about one forest, you should worry about all of em

@aaronvallejo8220 6 ай бұрын

Now all global citizens can benefit by installing these solar PV systems locally. Everyone needs cheap and fast electricity. I will install solar PV vertically along my fence to heat my highly insulated basement floor silently emitting gentle heat into our home.

@andresgarciacastro1783 6 ай бұрын

It's the reason solar and wind energy became the cheapest.

@minshyu 6 ай бұрын

This is a victory for free trade against protectionism🥳

@Wontyr 6 ай бұрын

America has been maintaining the bulldog approach(aka protectionism) with the whole concept of free trade behind them. I'll be honest I dont think you understand at all what you are saying, you are welcome to explain.

@bluecedar7914 6 ай бұрын

If massive government loans and land grants somehow count as free trade mechanisms.

@edwardsnowden8821 6 ай бұрын

@@bluecedar7914tell that to the American conglomerates exploiting the world

@Sebastian0729 6 ай бұрын

@@bluecedar7914 cough cough... tesla, space x... 👀

@calc1657 6 ай бұрын

This isn't free trade. It's just massive state backing. Good on China for getting in early. Hopefully, my country does not allow product dumping.

@rajahua6268 6 ай бұрын

Competition and innovation won the day. Innovation needs assistance or subsidy, no matter which way you look at it.

@eric9069 6 ай бұрын

China stole advanced solar technology from the West.

@degol5692 6 ай бұрын

China has even stolen technology the West hasn't invented yet.

@nickl5658 4 ай бұрын

China stole advanced solar technology from the West. This is why the West no longer has advance solar technology. It was all stolen.

@ANTheWhizkid 6 ай бұрын

Remember the 90s and 2000s solar boom? Germany didn’t raise the import tax for the subsidized Chinese panels that had been produced with cheap labor. Yeah.

@sarojbhattarai4656 6 ай бұрын

One of the unstated reason is US has largely funded for years creating a chocking point for Chinese energy supplies through Malacca strait. China is trying to be self sufficient on energy through renewables.

@tomtom-uo7lf 4 ай бұрын

"knock!knock!"~~~''open ur door!it's free trade!!!"

@jansSundews 6 ай бұрын

It's a simple principle really. It's like a chief and his young assistant. The chief while getting older and very much experienced put his price tag to a higher level. A young assistant learned from his boss's mistakes and made it better and cost effective.

@jiyakuches220 6 ай бұрын

Good pattern that shows between the British Empire, the US, and China. US succeed British Empire, for good geography and mostly fight for selling China may going to succeed the US for also good geography, making diplomatic relations in involving themselves in big projects than wars. Love to see rising superpower learn from their predecessor’s mistakes & advance their advantages for their own.

@dr.zschanel3671 6 ай бұрын

European countries subsidized more. Remember, it's the German who gave a lot of rebates to install solar panels a decade ago. They started the subsidy game. Tarriff on imports is a form of subsidy to domestic firms too.

@MusikCassette 6 ай бұрын

but Germany did not go through with that. It is a good thing China took over, when Germany dropped the ball.

@nicholaswhite9760 6 ай бұрын

Same as EV now in EU.

@andresgarciacastro1783 6 ай бұрын

They subsidized instalation, not manufacture. That's the key.

@dr.zschanel3671 6 ай бұрын

@@andresgarciacastro1783 so that the manufacturers can sell more at a higher price and come back to make more. That's the same thing.

@andresgarciacastro1783 6 ай бұрын

@@dr.zschanel3671 Yes, so technically we subsidized Chinese manufacturing. Very smart

@thisnewnow 4 ай бұрын

Why is DW so obsessed with China and Russia? Can anyone please explain this obsession to me?

@NanaCan-gw3ol 3 ай бұрын

德国之声应该是美国之音😊德国和中国关系并不差😊

@jesse89625 6 ай бұрын

instead of developing solar panel technology, Germany should send their money to Ukraine for freedom. because freedom over everything

@johnzhan8636 6 ай бұрын

HAHAHA

@abraham9777 6 ай бұрын

Make sure you are kidding us.hahaha

@jbwshox 6 ай бұрын

hahahaha

@gregoryedwards9097 6 ай бұрын

This 😂😂😂

@jiangXS 6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@xiaozhong5198 4 ай бұрын

just came from a video that joe signed billions subsidies to semiconductor industry in US.😂😂😂😂 what a double standard

@fenchen531 6 ай бұрын

it's not just the solar industry, but also all other electricity-related industries, ev cars, batteries, etc.

@taocook6526 6 ай бұрын

Other than China, it's ok to have some dependencies on any other countries. That's the whole idea and I get it.

@DemonEyes622 6 ай бұрын

You would think a solar manufacturer would use some of its products to supplement their power requirements

@Marvin-ii7bh 6 ай бұрын

Most modern factories in europe have solar panels on their roof. Its nowhere near enough tho.

@gopeng925 2 ай бұрын

Correct me if I am wrong. Here in US we also subsidized our industries. Like we subsidized the oil industries, solar panel’s industries, aerospace industries and more. Why are complaining about other people when they do it efficiently than us.

@willengel2458 6 ай бұрын

a Chinese company bought Solyndra, a soon to go belly up US solar panel maker and never look back. CATL bought a Japanese battery company because Japanese automakers decided hydrogen will be the future. when you buy a soon to go belly up company, you're buying their patents, and then you go from there.

@pablomax9376 6 ай бұрын

It's a rather short sighted policy. The number of solar manufacturing jobs are limited and tend to be low paying. Whereas the number of solar system installation jobs are much higher paid and there are far more of them. This is magnified with the massive decrease in panel costs, where many people who would not otherwise be willing to buy a system are suddenly presented with far cheaper options. The overall reduction in C02 and increase in jobs is a good thing to my mind.

@abdelkaioumbouaicha 6 ай бұрын

📝 Summary of Key Points: 📌 China has become a global leader in solar power, outpacing other countries in solar energy production. 🧐 European manufacturers are facing challenges due to competition from cheaper and more efficient Chinese solar modules, leading to bankruptcies and job losses. 🚀 China's dominance in the solar market is attributed to government policies, state funding, and a strong manufacturing capacity that has driven down prices and spurred innovation. 💡 Additional Insights and Observations: 💬 "China controls 80 to 95 percent of the global solar production supply chain, driving down prices and spurring innovation." 📊 European solar panel makers struggled to compete with China's heavily subsidized solar modules, leading to job losses and market challenges. 📣 Concluding Remarks: China's rapid growth in solar energy production has reshaped the global market, impacting manufacturers worldwide. While China's dominance has driven down prices and increased solar energy adoption, it has also posed challenges for other countries' domestic industries. The competition and innovation spurred by China's leadership in solar power highlight the complexities of the global renewable energy landscape. Generated using TalkBud

@catinbootsnow4267 6 ай бұрын

Tomorrow, is it possible that the US and Europe may try to subsidize their local companies to produce shoes, socks, garments and toys in their own countries, after they find out they are depending too much on China, Southeast Asia and Mexico for these necessities?

@DBGE001 6 ай бұрын

Shoes, socks, garments and toys are not strategic goods, PV panel are, because they will provide approximately half of our sustainable energy in the near future.

@themiddlekingdom9121 6 ай бұрын

The Western companies are attracted to the Chinese laborers and infrastructures, that why they set up shops in China. They made a ton of profits, right now the labor costs in China had been up for years now that why the Western companies are moving out of China. It has nothing to do with DEPEND ON CHINA too much....in the business world, there are always profit motives....the businessmen go where they can make the most profits.

@dianapennepacker6854 6 ай бұрын

Energy is more important. Pronanly the most. Having your literal geopolitical enemy have you by the balls is a bad idea. Look at Russia and Germany. Jesus you guys have no critical thinking. Nothing wrong with government giving a helping hand. China has less standards all down the supply chain, and cheap labor on top of keeping their currency cheap for export.

@ricardo_Abonado 6 ай бұрын

So china can subsidized the west can't mr Chinese 50 cent army

@jacobl5488 6 ай бұрын

yeah but that would make us be like the Chinese. we dont need none of them chinese policies

@idpsalm3331 6 ай бұрын

Most things made from western market are too expensive but China has made it cheap for both third and first world countries China has the edge

@deadlata9767 6 ай бұрын

China suppresses its currency value

@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp 6 ай бұрын

Because American corporations outsourced all their production to China ; )

@nukiolbartes6279 6 ай бұрын

When this guy said china perfect country to think long term, is he implying democracy think in short term?

@stvdmc2011 6 ай бұрын

Where have you been...election is every two years or 4 years?

@user-zp6dz9jw3g 6 ай бұрын

制作内容的人已经着魔，尤其关于中国🇨🇳的议题。当他们讨论不存在的问题时，说话会没有任何逻辑思维，估计只想等着赶紧下班。只能说德国🇩🇪政府资助的媒体工作者没有知识储备，政府的钱好骗。我现在知道德国过去那么优秀的人，怎么会有这么垃圾的媒体，看来德国人想生活在谎言中……

@ZweiZwolf 6 ай бұрын

Yes. Democracies only think as far as the next election. Every 2 years in the USA, so they spend 1 year working and 1 year trying to get re-elected.

@IngVasiu 6 ай бұрын

That's the downside of democracy. It's not perfect but still it's better than authoritarian governments.

@patrickstar686 6 ай бұрын

If you get it done within 4 years the opposition will run against you saying it was bad and a waste of money, if it takes more than 4 years the next government will scrap the idea or claim it as their own.

@gregwang8628 5 ай бұрын

Just concentrate on doing what is right for your people your country, never mind what others are doing, because other people are doing what is best for them and their country!

@user-my7wn6ps1y 4 ай бұрын

Why not subsidize your companies too so they improve products thru R&D to be competitive, pay workers fairly. And more importantly to stop blaming China for your woes. What happened? You champion free trade but doing the opposite.

@rorychen6185 6 ай бұрын

You can make products with higher performance and quality instead of complaining about China taking away your jobs

@yu-jd5jg 5 ай бұрын

China has the cost-volume advantage and the Chinese workers are smart and hardworking especially for the Motherland

@yingliao7076 6 ай бұрын

Put your head down, work harder and thinker harder! That's how thenChinese do things!

@newtonwambui 6 ай бұрын

That's just part of life,, Chinese leadership is future oriented European leadership is election oriented,

@fern8580 6 ай бұрын

@new That's just part of life,, Chinese leadership is future oriented European leadership is money politics oriented,

@tubopedia 2 ай бұрын

EU and US Govt "We want to transition to green energy", .... Also the EU and US "OHHH no we don't want to transition to Chinese green energy"

@Wiers75q 6 ай бұрын

This is not surprising. US is not keen on green energy because it is rich in fossil fuel resources. While Europe likes to do most is to use love to generate electricity or freedom and democracy to generate electricity. The best way for Europe to block external competition is that sweeping robots can be named also as tools of war or security.😂

@Wontyr 6 ай бұрын

I dont follow what you mean about europe. Care to explain?

@Wiers75q 6 ай бұрын

@@WontyrMy meaning is clear. Europeans spend too much effort on ideological battles. Any politician in Europe can make any nonsense remarks w.o any proofs or common sense, and then amplify them by medias to destroy the market efforts of companies that have spent decades. This will of course make European companies lose their competitiveness in the world. The radical members of the European Parliament are a stumbling block to Europe's economic competitiveness. For example, It’s the Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service that says sweeping robots have safety issues! This small Nordic country does not have any trade outside the EU, so who does it want to hinder? Of course it is towards the other major European countries that have mutual trade relations!

@TheKkpop1 6 ай бұрын

@@Wiers75q It's easy for the US to bribe small countries to vote against the EU as a whole: divide and rule.

@quettagladiator5272 6 ай бұрын

It is not about rich on fossil fuel resources or not but global warming…US has emotions more than whole Europe!

@jasonsoo6138 6 ай бұрын

@@Wiers75qgood take!

@user-kx9hc1jg6x 6 ай бұрын

I wish the US would subsidize the iphone, so I could use a cheaper phone. As a consumer, I only care about price and quality.

@andresgarciacastro1783 6 ай бұрын

No you don't, you buy iphones, you don't care about quality.

@wedmunds 6 ай бұрын

@@andresgarciacastro1783they only care about social status

@user-om8gr2zq7k 4 ай бұрын

For people in poor countries, freedom should give way to food and clothing. Western countries are always eager to promote freedom to poor countries, disregarding hungry people. The West does not equal the world. Developing countries should recognize this and make their own people happy rather than capitalists happy. This is the ideal that poor country politicians should have.China go！

@Charvak-Atheist Ай бұрын

I am happy China is funding Solar and battery industry. 😊 Thank you China for making Renewables cheap.

@ericjiang2007 6 ай бұрын

Cannot compete then blame somebody. So sad.

@okwatever3582 6 ай бұрын

true fact: the customers and clean energy advocates are the winners. Additionally, it is also a huge step for the world to better reach their net carbon neutral goal that we have always struggled to reach. China driving down the cost would mean more availability for millions around the globe.

@jeffxu6871 6 ай бұрын

Blame on China with subsidies in Solar and automotive sector.......... ID 3 costs 1.4kEUR in China (40k EUR in Germany), China heavly subsidised VW in China.

@nicholaswhite9760 6 ай бұрын

“China controls the majority of the global manufacturing process for solar energy ” CONTROL, what a verb you choose! ALL I can see is PREJUDICE.

@a9udn9u-vanced 6 ай бұрын

Every China video in this channel is nothing but whining. China didn't win the competition by crying "why China is so desperate to compete with West's X sector" in the last 30 years.

@marethmok5635 6 ай бұрын

Congratulations China in saving the Earth 💐

@JigilJigil 6 ай бұрын

Yes,, China is saving the earth by buring coal more than the whole world combined.

@jacksmith-mu3ee 6 ай бұрын

@@JigilJigil List of Countries the US has Bombed Since the End c WWII (may be incomplete) Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War) Guatemala 1954, 1960 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-61 Vietnam 1961-73 Laos 1964-73 Belgian Congo 1964 Dominican Republic 1965--66 Peru 1965 Guatemala 1967-1969 Cambodia 1969-1970 Nicaragua 198OS El Salvador 1980s Lebanon 1982-84 Grenada 1983 Lebanon 1983, J 1984 (Lebanese, Syrian targets) Iran 1987 Panama 1989 Iraq 1991 (First Gulf War); 1991- 2003 (US/UK "NO Fly Zone") Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992--94; 2007 Bosnia 1994-1995 Iran 1997 Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 2001--ongoing Iraq 2003 (Second War--more recently predator drones) Yemen 2002, 2009 Libya 1986, 2011

@HowieBaker-zs9cc 5 ай бұрын

-what solar panels were wrong? -it's made by china. -hey!! -oops they give subsidies for Solar Panel Produce -Indeed

@yz6039 6 ай бұрын

It's not about subside. China has a low salary plus a full supply chain and if the technology is on the same level or even higher it's futile to compete in the field! Because China will get the rest of the world plus their own huge market for sure. Other competitors can only have their own very limited market, which will also have to fight the Chinese products. If the west still has the so called China subside mentality good luck for their competition.

@michaelvanallen6400 5 ай бұрын

China also produces gigantic quantities of PV modules. Around 2/3 of these were installed in China itself. *Last year it was 217 GW, around FOUR TIMES that of the EU (56 GW).*

@vincentliu7716 6 ай бұрын

DW lets the cat out of the bag: China's grip on the supply chain leads to lower prices and spurs innovation! 3:27

@Cha-jq2po 6 ай бұрын

It leads to lower prices because Chinese people get underpaid. Keeping the people poor so the party gets richer. And how does it spur innovation?

@Ashikaga-Tadayoshi 6 ай бұрын

Hush, let's not unveil the hidden malpractices. Sifu Xi and his cronies might take offense. After all, he's just a Wumao.@@Cha-jq2po

@wumaobot 6 ай бұрын

@@Cha-jq2poyou talk like the west didnt do that in vietnam, india, mexico

@JigilJigil 6 ай бұрын

There is no innovation there by China, they are just making the solar cell the same way the West has taught them decades ago with very little innovation.

@ruilopes00 6 ай бұрын

And subsidies

@tuanhaumang 6 ай бұрын

WHERE ARE THE FREE MARKET AND COMPETATIVE ADVANTAGE THAT THE WEST PREACHES ABOUT?

@imran_balouch 14 минут бұрын

Thank you China... from Pakistan

@lovestudykid 3 ай бұрын

If you think China production is cheaper because of cheap labour, why don't you invest in your allies that have cheap labor, like east europe for production? China labour price is now only cheaper than developed countries, which in total has less population than China. If you think it's government subsidy, which every country does anyway, the more you buy, the more China loses.

@amandagrant4331 6 ай бұрын

China people are diligent and hard-working, while China focuses on economic development rather than waging war abroad.

@rameesbeig105 3 ай бұрын

Europeans when they can't compete scream Threat to National Security. Hilarious

@dxelson 6 ай бұрын

i feel like the video didnt even awnser the title question lmao

@odysseusmaximus 6 ай бұрын

China is awesome don't believe da lies

@markg3169 6 ай бұрын

It’s impressive but you can’t trust them. They will jack up the price as soon as they out other manufacturers out of business

@odysseusmaximus 6 ай бұрын

@@markg3169 why "can't " you trust them? Because your Media says so?

@markg3169 6 ай бұрын

@@odysseusmaximus are you serious? Why don’t you just trust a random stranger on the street?

@bruceliu9436 6 ай бұрын

@@markg3169 hey, im from china. tell me, you dont trust the people or the politician?

@markg3169 6 ай бұрын

@@bruceliu9436 to be clear I have nothing against the Chinese people as individuals. However the government is belligerent and often takes short cuts to achieve goals that do not have long term benefits or sustainable results. Also, the territorial belligerence in the South China Sea, Himalayas and erosion of freedoms in Hong Kong are worrisome to me. As far as trust, it is important that people understand the government of China is a strategic and calculating actor and any engagement with them needs to take into account their motivations. Also the espionage has very negative effects on American companies and is state sanctioned theft.

@kovaxzolika 6 ай бұрын

be honest! Just name a european, west world solar brand and you can name 10x times more asian brands. I have never heard european solar manufactor just chineese.....