DWTerminator rambles about live service games for nearly 24 minutes

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4 ай бұрын

Whether they're called "games as a service" or "live service games," they're all about only one thing these days: greed.
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@RevanKnight56 4 ай бұрын

I am still furious about what that one ubisoft exec said about a couple months ago about "gamers needing to be comfortable not owning their games." I hope that never becomes a reality and that exec needs to be fired.

@gogolplex74 4 ай бұрын

You will own nothing and you will be happy

@PoweredByFlow 4 ай бұрын

It already has when you read the EULA of these online stores. But if "buying" isn't owning then "pirating" isn't stealing. Their made up terms of ownership wouldn't matter when put to a court which hasn't happen yet.

@xagon2012 4 ай бұрын

It already is a reality with digital games. You do not own these games, you just pay for a licence to be able to install and use the software.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

@@xagon2012 Hence GOG being so important. They outright *encourage* you to make backups of all your purchases so you actually *do* own the copy of the game you bought.

@johnhighway7399 4 ай бұрын

@@gogolplex74 We will own everything and they will seethe

@michaelbuehler3897 4 ай бұрын

At this point, I find most mainstream media to not be worth it anymore.

@Retrofire-47 4 ай бұрын

this sentiment is very common now. My own mother feels this way

@ninochaosdrache3189 4 ай бұрын

It just a shame that most stuff outside the mainstream has either cartoony or pixelated graphics. I just can't get into those things.

@RichardPhillips1066 4 ай бұрын

They hire experts to design psychologically additive systems, and use multiple over lapping systems

@MaMastoast 4 ай бұрын

So many modern AAA games feel like storefronts at this point. The gameplay is just there to manipulate you into buying more stuff.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

I agree. Even Company of Heroes 3 feels more like a store that requires the customer to pay to enter.

@EngieMak 4 ай бұрын

Nobody looked at the MMO graveyard when making a live service game

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

NerdSlayer makes videos on Death of a Game. He looks at how some games lost players or got shut down.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Or they did and just don't care.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminatorI looked at the graveyard and feel sad that some games got shut down

@R3GARnator 4 ай бұрын

I think "live service" makes sense, because when the producers pull the plug, it becomes a "dead service".

@Mitchell_Gant 4 ай бұрын

My live service journey with World of Tanks is a decent example of just how well the industry "progressed". I started playing this F2P vehicle combat game in 2016, and I was almost instantly won over by the satisfying core gameplay loop, and the great atmosphere of two large teams battling it out with WW2 and early Cold War armored vehicles. Monetization mainly consisted of premium vehicles that earn more ingame currency and XP. Some of these were a little too good, but nothing too extreme. That's until the Skorpion G premium tank destroyer arrived in late 2016, with it' s cool loking but nonhistorical paint - and worse: insanely good stats that instantly made it the best TD, and overall one of the top vehicles of it's tier, and therefore quickly became the most played vehicle in the entire game. I still remember the general confusion among the community, "what were they thinking ?", and "obviously they have to do something about this". A few months later the "Defender" premium heavy tank arrived, and it's insanely tough armor combined with a high damage cannon and good mobility began dominating the lobbies. It was straight up powercreep from here on in, more and more of this crap arrived into the game, more and more frequently. More armor, more firepower, more mobility, introduction of clown camos because Fortnite became a thing, battlepasses, insanely OP reward tanks for clan wars players, wheeled vehicles running around at 100 km/h thus completely breaking the maps... The lower tiers are not as affected(as of now), maybe intentionally so new players are not immediately faced with the fact that at the upper levels the game is freemium, and indeed there's still some fun to be had here, reminiscent of the good old days. But overall, I have no idea how the hell is this game still up and running. Guess those whales really love playing...and paying.

@RichardPhillips1066 4 ай бұрын

That's the problem life service can be OK then suddenly once your hooked you find it's not Ok

@johnhighway7399 4 ай бұрын

By 2016 WoT was already an absolute disaster. I have no idea how you think the monetization was fair. Premium tanks, gold spam and seal clubbing were killing the game and making Tiers I - V and IX - X absolutely miserable. Now in 2024 things are x1000 worse.

@Mitchell_Gant 4 ай бұрын

@@johnhighway7399 Having to play gold for garage slots was certainly stupid and contraproductive, and the high tier premiums were too expensive for sure. But they were hardly unbeatable or mandatory, unless you wanted to play nothing but high tiers. The occasional gold spamming "pro" and seal clubber were always a thing, but nowhere near to the game ruining extent. Other than tier 10, which was always a bit autistic, and tier 1 with it's laughable starting tanks, I enjoyed playing most of the vehicles until the current state of the game started to set in.

@Dzztzt 4 ай бұрын

You nailed it on the FOMO connection.

@felipec.santos4370 4 ай бұрын

This is a nasty disease in the world of gaming!

@gogolplex74 4 ай бұрын

The cancer killing video games

@BasicSneedEducation 4 ай бұрын

Need this but for 1 hour

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Not sure I could ramble about live service games for quite that long without just constantly repeating myself. You can always right-click on the video and select "loop," though.

@gogolplex74 4 ай бұрын

Have you heard that Ross Scott of Accursed Farms has started a campaign against companies killing games? The Crew was shut down recently so there is no way to play it anymore. Hopefully this makes countries in the EU pass some law which requires all games to have an offline mode, I'm not sure if it passes in America.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

I saw that. If consumer protections like that get passed in the EU, then even if they don't get passed in the US, there's a very good chance that policies created by EU legislation will be applied to all versions of the game regardless. Sort of like how even North American websites will give the options for selecting which cookies to allow even though they're not technically obligated to under US law. We'll see, though. Hopefully that campaign is successful and we get proper games preservation really rolling.

@Ghost_Of_SAS 4 ай бұрын

DW do you know Ross Scott? He's on a legal crusade against the GAAS model and has a bunch of content on the subject.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Not personally, though I do watch his Game Dungeon series on occasion.

@Retrofire-47 4 ай бұрын

He's dreaming. the crusade he's on doesn't even make sense. Forcing a dev to indefinitely support a dead platform is ridiculous. There were like ~50 ppl playing Bad Company 2 when it shut down last month. I love Bad Company 2, as did many, but forcing EA to monetarily support the game is asinine. it was always saturated with cheaters or level 100 colonels with shitbuckets. Unfortunately, mp games die. Long before their servers are shut down

@Ghost_Of_SAS 4 ай бұрын

@@Retrofire-47 Indefinite support of online games is not what he's after. He says that in plain words in his latest video. He wants legal precedent so game companies are required to have an endlife plan for games so the single player portions can be played offline, as opposed to the game becoming completely unplayable.

@jayd1os400 4 ай бұрын

I think it's worth pointing out that. I am working on a project that i am passionate about, and while I am not very good at it and i am not offically a game developer yet, because I haven't released any games, at the time I am writing this comment. I do care about making something good, the money is a nice bonus, but that's not why I want to make games I really don't give a shit about the money. I want to make games because i want certain game experinces to exist, that i coulden't find anywhere else.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

For me, I am tired and annoyed seeing microtransactions in games that cost money.

@ArilandoArilando 2 ай бұрын

Popular live service games have been maintained as private servers, so no live service games do not all necessarily disappear.

@DWTerminator 2 ай бұрын

Those are rather rare (albeit welcome) exceptions, and usually are older MMOs... so they aren't the kind of live service games we generally see these days.

@TheAlanReviews 3 ай бұрын

What is your opinion on Sega and Relic adding a cosmetic store to Company of Heroes 3 in Operation Sapphire Jackal?

@DWTerminator 3 ай бұрын

Can't say I'm surprised.

@TheAlanReviews 3 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator According to some players, the skins are overpriced and use a rarity system

@Ya_Mosura 4 ай бұрын

I was looking at trying Ghost Recon Breakpoint now that they'd addressed some of the problems people had with it at launch, but the fact it's always online for no good reason means I just can't do it.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Can't blame you, and you're not missing anything. I made a video on Breakpoint since those updates if you're interested: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJihecp5r9HDnZc.html

@Ya_Mosura 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator Didn't realise you'd gone back to it. I watched your first review the other day, I'll check that update in a bit, thanks.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

That's the only video I've ever done on Breakpoint. You sure you aren't thinking of Wildlands? I did make a couple videos on betas for Wildlands before I eventually reviewed the game.

@Ya_Mosura 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator I don't remember you talking about the removal of the loot based system or changing the way damage works to be more like the first game. I've watched a fair amount of your vids lately so I guess they've started to bleed into eachother in my brain. I heard that they added the option to remove your ai teammates too which I liked the sound of, as they were mostly there for show anyway.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

I mentioned you can toggle the loot system on or off in the Breakpoint video. Playing it solo is miserable thanks to the robots you have to fight. The entire thing is designed around 4 player co-op so even if you have the incredibly dumb AI squadmates, you're still stuck with obnoxiously tedious boss fights.

@pacmikey1763 4 ай бұрын

Doom Eternal with a single player limited time battle pass

@jonasking9587 4 ай бұрын

I e played that game for hundreds of hours, and don't know what you are talking about about. No shade, just being honest here.

@godofdefeat 4 ай бұрын

DWT rant ah the world is healing!

@BrotherhoodofSteel-zh7ty 4 ай бұрын

By any chance will you ever review the original Aliens versus Predator and Aliens versus Predator 2 PC games?

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Both are on the to-do list.

@WhispersOfWind 4 ай бұрын

I don't necessarily think the practice is going to change any time soon because when Baldur's Gate 3 released, which kind of went back to the gaming roots of old (singleplayer, long, immersive and quality over quantity) there was kind of a huge backlash on or about it, how the industry replied that it's not going to become any new standard, so considering that, the reluctance of the industry to change and coupled with the almost unlimited pool of money from which developers can draw from over time through products that are like live service games and have "free to play" models attached to them, things are looking kind of bleak. The whole industry changed from what it once was beginning and through the 2000's and perhaps like with other things in life, the monetization aspect has surely left an impact on gaming as a whole. A lot of games that were made in those times were and remain memorable also witnessed in the fact of how often they are always replicated but never duplicated and how the industry keeps spiraling like a snake, eating its own tale. A tale of ages.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

CoH 3 became a live service game after Operation Sapphire Jackal.

@NoMastersNoMistress 4 ай бұрын

If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't theft. Piss on AAA crap.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

Hello DW, will you still review Company of Heroes 3 even though there is a store with battlegroups and cosmetics and timed challenges to earn currency to purchase items in the in-game store?

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

CoH3 is on the to-do list, but I'm waiting for a significant price drop. Also need to review CoH2 first.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator Thanks for the information! I am looking forward to your review.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminatorI am looking forward to the CoH 2 review!

@bankaiiibankaaa4573 4 ай бұрын

As an old school gamer I completely agree. Since 2009-11 until this day game industry went way out of hand and all that started with one stupid horse, thank you Bethesda.

@youpeoplearenuts2 4 ай бұрын

You know, CS 1.6 and other decades old games have remained online to this day via community servers. There really is no excuse for multiplayer games to "Shut down".

@captaindestruction9332 4 ай бұрын

Especially if others will foot the bill/host the servers. I get it from a corporate standpoint especially if its dozens of decades old games and its effecting new game sales. The cost to maintain the servers etc. But I feel its only fair to just allow community support.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Obviously community-run servers and a server browser will keep a game running as long as the protocols still function. It's no accident that most modern multiplayer games only allow matchmaking through the developer/publisher's official servers. My main problem with games as old as CS 1.6, specifically, is that you can't really get the vanilla experience anymore. The only servers still left with populations are heavily modded.

@youpeoplearenuts2 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminatorI haven't played in a few years, but last time I played 1.6, and Day of Defeat it was vanilla besides maybe the quake announcer. We saw this happen though with Battlefield Bad Company 2. EA shut down the game and de-listed it from their store and now you need to mod the game in order to play it. We've also seen cease and desist orders on groups who mod these games to be playable. The current market encourages devs to not have community servers and to attack anyone who tries to get these games back up and running. If you're playing an old game, you're not being funneled into their live service casino slop. I'm frankly shocked that Xlink Kai and that project restoring Xbox Live on the OG Xbox haven't been hit yet.

@Rikker95 4 ай бұрын

I find hilarious that No Man's Sky nowadays is the prime example of GAAS done right

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

There is no "done right" with live service games. There is only "less shitty."

@johnhighway7399 4 ай бұрын

The only good live service game is a dead on arrival live service game. 0 exceptions.

@WeeWeeJumbo 4 ай бұрын

No Man's Sky's post-launch content is all free of charge.

@heatherharrison264 4 ай бұрын

No Man's Sky is playable offline as a fully single player game. That is the only way I play it. Some of the ancillary content is tied up with the online stuff, which is unfortunate, but the core experience works just fine. The game will still be playable after the servers shut down.

@jonasking9587 4 ай бұрын

It's hilarious that always online means that WE need to always be online, not the service. I just don't play online games. If AAA wants to shoot themselves in the foot? Go right ahead.

@johnhighway7399 4 ай бұрын

The For Honor footage killed me. Ubisoft had a nearly perfect game but they just could not stop themselves from ruining to the fcking ground. Hey let's take a fun and gritty medieval action slash game and turn it into the most shallow, boring, "competitive" fighting game with a medieval skin. Then let's rape the art direction even harder with cringe skins and characters that look like they came out of a chinese mobile game.

@jonasking9587 4 ай бұрын

It's their creation. There's no rape here. It's hilarious to me every time this happens. Oh, you mean the live service was fair and mostly balanced and then became pay to win? Welp, this is the first time I've heard anything like this!!! Call the police!!! Fucking lol.

@johnhighway7399 4 ай бұрын

@@jonasking9587 Are ubitrash shills like you being paid with semen, or with money? I bet most of you turn down the money and beg for semen. For Honor was Jason Vandenberghe's creation, and it was superb. Then around 2019 Ubitrash decided to downgrade it in every single way possible and turn it into a terrible fighting game with a medieval skin and cringy heroes that you have to buy with real money. The CCU update in 2020 and everything after it killed For Honor. The only people that still play are the paypiggies and the morons that suck too much at Street Fighter so they settle for nuFor Honor's light and unblockable spam instead. The only times FH manages to go above 3k daily players is when there is a -90% sale.

@LumpyPancakes 4 ай бұрын

Id be interested in hearing your opinion on the current state of 2042. I also played the free weekend and I have to say... It's still an awful BF game. Even though it works fine now, the core gameplay feels like a cheap knock off of CoD modern warfare. It baffles me to see people say 2042 is good now.

@RichardPhillips1066 4 ай бұрын

AAA Games have been bad so long many folks don't even know what a bad game is anymore, they only know bad

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Video on BF2042 should be coming out this week.

@johnhighway7399 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator 2042 should only be played if EA begs you and pays you to do so. Absolute disaster of a game, an insult to the name "DICE" and "Battlefield".

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

I only revisited 2042 because of the free weekend that just happened on Steam. No way in hell I'm spending money on that travesty.

@snafkin33 4 ай бұрын

i actually dont know anymore what to think about new singleplayer games or multiplayer games. there is definitely something lazy to them, but i cant really tell what. maybe i just hate humans and dont like mass appeal and thats it.

@MegabyteRedSector 4 ай бұрын

we do really need a AAA crash.... not gonna lie.

@thebrodator 4 ай бұрын

Online only games are a complete turn off for me. I remember being excited for the Evil Dead Game after they announced single player content but completely lost interest when they revealed it was online only.

@dumlepumle 4 ай бұрын

It sure is awesome that culture is twisted to manipulate people into becoming pay-piggies. I love it, the idea that people play games to have fun is such an old and out of touch way of thinking. On the topic of Assassins Creed Odyssey, i forced myself to play through that game and after completing it i said to myself, "never again". Life is too short to waste on intentionally dragged out generic whatever simulator nonsense.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Partly why I'm dreading getting around to Odyssey and Valhalla so much. They're packed to the gills with tedious, drawn-out drudgery. I probably won't end up fully reviewing them just because of that.

@drez4726 4 ай бұрын

Agreed, greed being the key word for their business model.

@JJ-eb4tx 4 ай бұрын

Well said, the phrase "live service" is a euphemism that should be abolished.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

What is your opinion on games with expansion packs?

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Expansion packs are fine. Always have been.

@captaindestruction9332 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminatorimo they’re fine if they make sense and are genuine. What I mean is they weren’t purposefully left out of the launch game. You can tell when content is held from a game to be sold later as expansion packs. I also hate expansion packs that are announced or come out not even a month after the original games launch. Mortal Kombat comes to mind. Why are you announcing future characters not even a month after launch?

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator I agree

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

It's not necessarily a problem when features and content that had to be cut from the initial release get implemented in expansions. The problem is when they *specifically* cut that content so they can sell it later, like Capcom did with its on-disc DLC nonsense. As for your last question? Because modern fighting games are live service titles. This is also why I say there's no point to buying a fighting game on launch anymore and just to wait until a complete version with all the DLCs included is available.

@EnesCustovic 4 ай бұрын

You're getting mad about these games being made? Friend, I've got a backlog that needs clearing , thank all of these devs for giving me ample time to get through it.

@Supadrumma441 4 ай бұрын

People are allowed to be annoyed by things, get over yourself.

@ladislav-galgoczi 4 ай бұрын

For me sounds you are already annoyed by your backlog. So everyone gets annoyed over something else.😄

@valeraivanov3978 4 ай бұрын

it`s kenshi time

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

I really need to get around to Kenshi one of these days. I've had a copy for years and just haven't messed with it yet.

@disinfect777 4 ай бұрын

Haha, the title of this video reminded me of totalbiscuit. A fan i take it?

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Of course.

@leeburgers2444 4 ай бұрын

Honestly, I don't take a game as seriously if it is a free to play live service game with micro transactions. I don't enjoy it as much thinking it was free, sometimes I rather know I invested in a complete game that can be played offline.

@ladislav-galgoczi 4 ай бұрын

Fear of missing out on something it works best on little kids and teenagers who just want to showe off and feel so special cause in real life they not getting the attention what they crave ,so lets exploit them.I saw the consequences in SWTOR thats why i leaved that game after 10 years exactly on their anniversarsy. F*ck games like these ,when once you see it you cant unsee it. Edit: Saddest part is people and children still play it and paying for it. They use all possible shady psychotactics on those players its disgusting. What made me quit.

@FusionGamerElite 4 ай бұрын

Gave The Finals season 1 the benefit of the doubt, not so much for season 2...

@DanielTimberwolf 4 ай бұрын

Gotta love the "Fee-to-pay" structure of the swill "AAA" companies have pushed out in the past years... pathetic. I basically only give Warframe the privilege of my time if at all. Good content, reminds me of the TB speaks about topic for X minutes :)

@clover4522 4 ай бұрын

I tend to not buy most modern games anymore for this reason, sticking to older consoles and older games. Only games i even buy new anymore are remasters or just call of duty.

@jackal2484 4 ай бұрын

Is it me or gaming as a whole really fell off. gaming always had it's up and downs, but nowadays everything is half hearted or just lazy.

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

I think gaming as a whole fell off. It's not just you.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

AAA gaming has definitely fallen off. AA and indie, not so much, but they don't get as much attention.

@jackal2484 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator I disagree with that, Because after awhile indie and AA games follow the same trends as AAA games, but not to the same degree. I have no problems with a crappy game that has it's charm to it, but nowadays there just crap.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Problem with your assertion is that indie devs generally don't have the resources to run live service games, which forces them to rely on more traditional business models. You have more of a point with AA games (ex. Helldivers, Outriders, etc.), but generally the AA space doesn't have the extra resources to gamble them on a live service. The ones that do have the backing of a major publisher.

@jackal2484 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator I'm mainly talking about gameplay, but you're right about the live service stuff.

@MrJigglebits 4 ай бұрын

i really dont like live service games. i hate feeling like i have to play a game everyday, "i have to log in and do my dailys" , grinding every day so i can barely finish the battle pass in time. What if i want to play something else? what if i just dont wanna play the game? These games really take advantage of your time and then try selling you time savers stemming from problems they created. I barely have time for one live service imagine juggling multiple battle passes! im done. i got a an infinite supply of retro games that give me an experience worth my time

@gogolplex74 4 ай бұрын

This bullshit is why I was hesitant about the new Hitman games

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

The new Hitman games are particularly frustrating about it.

@holygooff 4 ай бұрын

This kind of works like the EA Sports game have been making money for a long time. Every year people are supposed to buy what is presented as a new game, but in reality are only some updates. People kept buying those games, even though they clearly weren't worth full price. That must have given some people ideas. I only played console games with my friends in the 90s and 2000s. I don't know modern consoles and I'm surprised to hear that you do not just insert a disk and play. Downloaded games obviuosly have tob e installed and perhaps some updates too. But games on disk? That's sad. What's the point of consoles then?

@jamesriley007 4 ай бұрын

the real solution here is stop being a pay piggy dust off those old retro games and find ways of playing the old school games youve never played that they are trying to make disappear for this crap go get a nes find some friends get a 4 score and play some super offroad or gauntlet

@chrisj320ac3 4 ай бұрын

I'm glad Suicide Squad failed.

@zacmatney7938 4 ай бұрын

I cannot tell you how much I hate live service games😡 so many developers are going all in for live service gaming and I am just disgusted by that decision. Live service gaming only angers the players and they always fail to me look at suicide squad kill the justice league game

@sektor_mk2 4 ай бұрын

I stay away from those games. You vote with your money

@TheAlanReviews 4 ай бұрын

I learned this from DWTerminator.

@PixelMurder 4 ай бұрын

I won't start to ramble about life services, because I would need at least 24'000 minutes to come to an end. The only good life service games, I know, are Fallout 4 and Skyrim, powered by Nexusmods.

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

Fallout 4 & Skyrim aren't live service games. Mod support is pretty much the exact *opposite* of live service principles.

@PixelMurder 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator I know, although I've played both of it for 4000 hours :)

@RichardPhillips1066 4 ай бұрын

I never feel entirely happy or relaxed playing live service games, they always feel tainted to me , and never like the Dev even if i enjoy the game , after wasting hundreds of pounds on hearthstone I figured out i just liked buying the packs , the money you spend never ends, cause your cards becomes useless after a bit , it was very expensive to keep up, so I quit

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

If you just like buying card packs, you might as well pick up an actual CCG. At least then you have physical items that you can sell later, if you wish.

@RichardPhillips1066 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator I did have real cards MTG but then I fell out with people I played with

@RichardPhillips1066 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator mtgo is better the cards hold value , however it's highly expensive and quite hardcore

@brickproduction1815 4 ай бұрын

I think live service is stupid. Back then we just have one complete game and we play rather than having to pay more more more more

@tastycastle1976 4 ай бұрын

I only play indies, niche strategies or puzzle games and I still think live service games are shite:/

@metronome8471 4 ай бұрын

Stores with a game is a stupid genre.

@prezzeruk4054 18 күн бұрын

Live service games are hampering traditional game development! I do get why so many devs are chasing the next fortnite tho. Why spend 10 years making 2 or 3 traditional games, wen u can release a bare bones, half finished, half assed live service game, then improve it for the next 10 years. But the thought of playing the same game for 10 years, turns me right off!! I dont buy or play live service games at all!

@Retrofire-47 4 ай бұрын

You are likely trying to appeal to _the algorithm_, but, i feel like these videos would be cooler around the 5min mark

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

I gave up on figuring out what the algorithm wants from me a long time ago.

@Retrofire-47 4 ай бұрын

@@DWTerminator You make great content, but - are you _sure_ you're not trying to appease the algorithm? cause, i read that 20min vids are the "sweet spot". If it is purely incidental, then i stand corrected and apologize. Either way, i love ur vid essays. i've grown fond of them over the years

@DWTerminator 4 ай бұрын

My videos just end up being however long it takes me to talk about whatever I want to talk about. Sometimes they're short, sometimes they're more around the 20-30 minute mark, and sometimes they're well over an hour or two long. I don't even think Google knows how the algorithm works at this point, let alone everyone else.