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@wpt729fx Жыл бұрын
Hilarious that orange calls out black for trading you wheat when earlier they give you 3 rare wheat for 2 wood.
@kzkilla808 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see all this content flowing ❤
@razzmatazz33 Жыл бұрын
Great to have you back. Super interesting commentary on the HUD too. I’d love it if Colonist added this
@TheBrownMan01 Жыл бұрын
Man at 14:18 you had 4 roads in hand and could have locked out road. I was so blown when that 7 hit.
@DyLightedCatan Жыл бұрын
Yea that was a critical turn 😢.
@DrHeinzDoofenshmirtz Жыл бұрын
Hi Dyligthed. Thank you for listening to the feedback and critique, if the reason for the title is a response to the comments on the previous video.
@Bishop3k Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate, that you are showing lots of games, where you actually lose. Those are the games, where you learn the most.
@LeviATallaksen Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised the RB never made you consider going for the 2-5-10. It's slightly farther away and slightly less wheat, but it's better for LR while giving you more (and better) settlement spots along the way. My choice at 8:50 would probably be to settle on the port and commit 3 roads next turn.
@froseph85 Жыл бұрын
With the clock being a critical factor, it's important to know who you want to rob early and what you want to be trading early. It will give you time to do your table talk, and execute plan b's if table talk/trades fall through. Reflecting on your mistakes after the game, rather than during the game should give you enough time to make these calculations.
@fangzhongyue3607 Жыл бұрын
Nobody: DyLighted:FaScInAtInG~~
@tnowak333 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating fascinating
@falconlover7539 Жыл бұрын
Really relate to the comment about ranked games testing your fundamentals. I am mostly a ranked player and the best way to win games at a consistent rate is having your fundamentals down. Recently started getting into tournaments and am looking forward to see how different things are
@user-rw2gn1ym7l Жыл бұрын
bro is fascinated by everything
@DanM12332 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I made a mistake. That was a mistake. Fascinating.
@paopaow1118 Жыл бұрын
Think it was a mistake from black not taking 10 5 2, gets coordinated roads, double wheat on 10s for his wheat port, an uncontested 3:1 port and also has the option of building to the 10 3 for ore.
@Mahoot Жыл бұрын
I liked 5 2 for black more, they don’t need the extra wheat and would be able to get to 6 2 relatively quickly with the starting sheep, high wheat production, and coordinated 5s
@resurrectsean2438 Жыл бұрын
Dylan’s back fascinating!
@Dennis-ql1hn Жыл бұрын
At 8:50, instead of building to the 9/12, is it also an option to build to the 10/5/2? Eventhough the wheat is a bit worse, it is a higher production spot with more room to expand road. Just curious what the thoughts are behind picking the 9/12 over the 10/5/2.
@AP-dc1ks Жыл бұрын
Dylan call your local university and tell the CS department about your catan passion. You might just find a graduate student willing to make a first catan solver ;)
@kidkid Жыл бұрын
4 Player Catan is too social to create a "solver". If you want to play at the highest level you need to table talk and make deals like non blocks, non steals, future trades and working together with the table. Which would be next to impossible to implement into an AI model. It's also not perfect information cause of players stealing cards / buying dev cards. It's simply not realistic with current technology.
@MHNK77 Жыл бұрын
@@kidkid but you can definetely create an engine that computes the best possible decision based on probabilities. I think there are tools to be created that can push the game forward, even if ignoring the social component
@kidkid Жыл бұрын
@@MHNK77 I disagree. I don't think you can make an engine to play the best move consistently without having it understand how the game is played. First of all there's the problem of the best move assuming your opponents are playing optimally vs the best actual move. If you were playing against AI's who didn't have any emotion and was just trying to make the best move it could no matter what then that's one thing. But that's not how most humans play the game. Often if you don't know the people you're playing with you don't want to plow someone unless it's a significantly better move than the alternatives since they can easily screw you over later in the game with the robber if they feel like it. The best play will depend on your ability to table talk and communicate with other players. Buying a city might be better if you know the opponents wont overestimate you and block you to death. While if you think your opponents might get scared of you and start blocking you if you drop a city buying 2 dev cards first might be better since you will be able to protect yourself. Then there's the problem of how to actually train an engine like that. You can't use reinforcement learning in this case cause computers playing against computers will be different from humans playing against humans. Sure you could try to gather a lot of data from human games and see what move has worked in those games but the data would be pretty hard to feed into the model. If a good player playing against bad players picks mediocre settlement spots then goes on to win the game, that probably had more to do with their skill outside of placements rather than them placing settlements correctly; If you train a model on flawed data that it won't turn out that great. And that's just some of the problems with trying to create something like this, there is also things like: How much do you value wins compared to points? If you're playing in a tournament and you're guaranteed making it to semi finals with 7+ points you would want to play less risky compared to only going for wins. Should you prioritize win% or expected VPs? And predicting what settlement spots will be open for you on the way back without knowing how your opponents place.
@MHNK77 Жыл бұрын
@@kidkid 2 words: stochastic simulations :) Simply simulate a bunch of *random* scenarios and see which placement/ decision leads to the better average outcome. Again, it wouldn't be the best move 100% of the times, like a chess engine, simply something that on average gives the best result. You're overcomplicating things to sound smart
@kidkid Жыл бұрын
@@MHNK77 But how would you see which decision leads to the better average outcome when your engine doesn't know how to play the game? You see what I'm trying to say here? To simulate something like that you would need the engine to be able to evaluate its own position and understand what is good and what is bad. And I'm not trying to overcomplicate anything. It's just the fact that it is that complicated to begin with.
@AmongUsAcademy Жыл бұрын
2:04 can you make notes on players as sort of your own “HUD”? Sorta like when I played poker and wrote notes on certain players and their ten dances - LAG, TAG etc
@thelunatick1993 Жыл бұрын
Don’t think you need to think of each move as an instance but as a pattern. Patterns I think you can study outside the game. And help make your time more efficient.
@gordogo912 Жыл бұрын
fascinating 😂
@tcgtej7897 Жыл бұрын
Dylighted about to release his own Catan Solver and HUD
@JohnSmithEx Жыл бұрын
3:32 The critical mistake, going both for army and road. This rarely works, and even more for Dylighted who doesn't know how to play roads.
@kzkilla808 Жыл бұрын
I think you've touch on this a couple times before but you really should dabble in poker more often. The way you process logic it would not be hard to for you to study and become a winning player.
@froseph85 Жыл бұрын
DyLighted had a brief foray into Poker before coming back to focus on Catan.
@kzkilla808 Жыл бұрын
@@froseph85 he's definitely got the logical decduction for it. Online you need to be super studied but live low stake games are pretty soft. I watch a ton of poker vlogs and would definitely watch his content if he ever decided to dabble in poker content as well.
@TheMacAssault Жыл бұрын
Orange was against you the whole game incorrectly predicting your win.. then black trades blue at the end, very frustrating. I’m actually surprised this doesn’t happen more often in your ranked games when there is only chat and no voice call like in live games
@drtheman9074 Жыл бұрын
2 posts a day what a G
@Kahuna232 Жыл бұрын
Orange is the least self aware person on the planet
@aidan-3333 Жыл бұрын
The real mistake is you not watching the clock
@puffygang Жыл бұрын
Play this video at 0.75x speed to not feel overwhelmed
@jondonjr Жыл бұрын
2/5/10 better production. 9 wheat got slammed after you built on it so that turned out to be a bad prediction. Also would have taken your road potential past 10
@matickobe4829 Жыл бұрын
As a poker player would love to see you playing poker too
@lunchZA Жыл бұрын
F A S C I N A T I N G
@moneymikz Жыл бұрын
Dylan’s going to build a Catan solver, do tournaments have rules about RTA yet??
@jsch2801 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Do you think at 12:33 it would have been better to build roads towards black city?
@Black2481Mamba Жыл бұрын
For road chance yes, but it would have made him a road target instantly
@Nazgul8777 Жыл бұрын
LETS GOOO
@Darksouls98 Жыл бұрын
I like the vids, but you have got to get a better mic setup or something.
@DyLightedCatan Жыл бұрын
The next several videos are already recorded with the bad mic quality, but today I went and fixed it. In the future the audio will be a lot better!
@johnnyandtheinsatiablevoid Жыл бұрын
Man, I can't stand these crybabies who throw the game during placement and then spend the rest of the session telling everyone how they should be playing like they're the Bobby Fischer of Catan. If they knew what they were talking about; they wouldn't have gotten themselves beaten before the game even started.
@johnnyandtheinsatiablevoid Жыл бұрын
LOL and then the asshole accuses _you_ of crying all game. What a little punk.
@andrishardins5984 Жыл бұрын
I disagree that you should have info on opponents, destroys the mystery.
@davidkooyman2359 Жыл бұрын
I noticed you started saying Fascinating alot during your games... maybe over 10 times... and now other streamers are also saying it!!!! Leading the way Dyl !!!
@th3oryO Жыл бұрын
Rough 7s as usual
@jondonjr Жыл бұрын
I honestly think youve played badly jn these last three games. Timing out too quick, forgetting to buy devs etc.. Not sure. Your set ups should be winnable but youve fumbled a couple times! Not the form for a number 1 push, come on Dyl gotta get the mojo back!
@poro3246 Жыл бұрын
OJ could get an 11th road, I don't see how you'd lock it at 10.
@jondonjr Жыл бұрын
By plowing him at the 9 wheat
@seshuis96 Жыл бұрын
What does OJ mean?
@poro3246 Жыл бұрын
Oh yes, my comment was stupid@@jondonjr
@poro3246 Жыл бұрын
Orange @@seshuis96
@thiagoschernikau4769 Жыл бұрын
@@seshuis96 Orange
@kevinhowe543 Жыл бұрын
Orange crying a fucking river all game over dylighted when blue was OBVOIUSLY the bigger issue lol.
@carldawson1 Жыл бұрын
HUDs wouldn't work well for Catan with sample size and player pool size. Retrievable notes would be better (like colour highlighting in poker) While some people buy HHs that's sketchy and not kosher. You'd only have sample size on regs. Catan would be better served by notes -- unless approaching from an improvement perspective post-game.
@Atrayus1984 Жыл бұрын
Id totally mute you lol. You talk/type WAY too much. You may be a great player but it is a highly annoying play style.